Conference noted::bicycle

    Cycling Madness

     I agree with John. I do not consider myself a recreational cyclist,
    but I'm not really up to speed to sit in with some of big boys either.
    
     I'm not sure what that means (are we enigmas?). Anyway, I do take it
    seriously, I am competitive, but do it because I love it...
    
     Maybe something like the "Not Quite Terminal Cycling" NOTE :-)
    
      Chip

    
    
      Call it what it is :
    
    	"The bicycle information exchange"
    
    	John C.
    

    
    
    
    I must admit it took me aback too.  "Recreational" just doesn't make it
    when we get back from our lunch time ride with our legs feeling like
    jelly...mayhaps "Bicycle Exchange" in honor of the now defunct Mecca of
    Boston cyclists - 8^(
    
    Steve

    Well it's better than the last one:
    "temporarily available from 5:00PM to 8:00AM" or something like that.
    
    Since this caters to a wide range of riders, no need to make it any
    less general than the title and scope of the notesfile itself. Just
    drop the "recreational", and make it "Welcome to the Bicycles
    notesfile".
    
    John

    
    
    How about "Bicycle Mania"?
    
    doug
    

    
    How's about:-
    
    "The Shimano v Campagnolo Conference"
    "The Anti-motorist Conference"
    "The 'How come the Americans have better weather' Conference"
    "The 'We're all incredibly jealous of Chip's bike' Conference"
    "The 'John Ellis must be VERY stupid' Conference"
    
    Reckon that CYCLE_RACING should have:-
    
    "The Greg Lemond War Conference"
    
    Graham.
    

How about...

	Velo City         [quite neat I think]
	This is Cycling
	4 Sale #xxxx, Wanted #xxxx, Introductions #xxxx


Rod

    In the mode of .7
    
    "Folks who don't wear helmets have nothing to lose"
    
    Or is it "... something too loose" ...
    
    ed

    
    Re.9
    
    	I thought that helmets were only something to hold your brains in
    while you tried to ride to the hospital. Turning up in Casualty saying,
    "Can you stuff them back in."
    
    	Mind you I reckon that us cyclists must be lacking in the grey
    matter department anyway. With what Mr.Ellis does, he seems to be
    lacking more than most.

How about:

The "Noting when not Cycling" Conference

Eric

     How about
                Bicycling A to Z
                Bikes and Cycling - All you need to know or ask

    
    The notice that seemed most useful to me was 
    
    	"Welcome - Note 3 to Sell, Note 2 to Buy"
    
    or whatever.  I know, it's lacking in panache.  :-(
    "Cycling Madness" has a certain ring to it. :-)
    
    -john ("dumb but dogged")

     How 'bout  MERLIN OWNERS NOTE? We could talk about what the other
    half is doing... :-)
    
     BTW, I'm not jealous of my bike either. Or:
    
                To bike or not to bike, that is the question;
    
                Whether 'tis nobler to suffer the slings and
                and arrows of outrageous fat globules, or to
                take arms against couch potato-dom and, by opposing,
                end them, to veg or gain weight no more!
    
                Perchance to compete! Ahhh, there's rub!
    
        The Bard of Central Mass.

To adequately obfuscate the nature of the discussions that transpire within the
context of this conference.

    Work is the curse of the Biking Class

Note #2: buy cycling; 
Note #8: bye cycling; 
Note #34: by cycling; 
Note #200: bi cycling; 
all other notes: bicycling

ambiguously yours (and someone else's),
Tim

    
    		###***:::< Human Powered Vehicles >:::***###

    
>>    		###***:::< Human Powered Vehicles >:::***###
    
    	Sorry won't work. Anyone who does the RAAM and PBP in the same year
    is definately not human. Now please note, I didn't mention John's name.
    I'm a nice person. Wouldn't want to rock the boat, me...
    
    Graham.
    

DIGITAL Health Warning - This notesfile can be dangerous and addictive.

    How are we going to resolve this contest?
    
    a) We'll soon call a halt on new suggestions and have a vote on
       existing ones.
    b) The moderator will do exactly as he pleases, including doing
       nothing.
    
    
    Rod

    
    Rod, I was wondering the same thing ... and it was *me* (c'est moi)
    who started this thing!  No peep yet out of the moderator.
    
    My suggestion: 
    
      - Close off suggestions as of this Friday.
    
      - Summarize suggestions and post them.
    
      - Vote through next Wednesday.
    
      - Tally them up and convey them to John Wasser.
    
    (I'd be glad to do all those things.)  
    -john

> How are we going to resolve this contest?
>   
> a) We'll soon call a halt on new suggestions and have a vote on
>    existing ones.
> b) The moderator will do exactly as he pleases, including doing
>    nothing.
    
	Sounds good to me!  :-)

Greetings,

How about a title that reflects the basic toughness and machismo
that us cyclists exhibit. 

	"HOME OF THE CYCLING HOMBRE'S"

Maybe some of you can come up with a more gender neutral term
but you get the idea. What I'd really really really want to 
say is "Welcome to the Bicycle Conference if you want to buy
or sell some old iron no problem but generally this is where
people like you ride a bike 100+ miles in a day for a challange
and when we really get crazy we take on significant portions or
the United States or other countries. Remember to sign in at
note 5."

Is that a too much? 

Fred Mudgett

    
    Re.23
    
    Sounds good to me. Let the proletariat decide. This is socialism at
    it's best.
    
    My nomination for the grand final is :-
    
    "Cycling for fun"
    
    It's simple and we all do that, don't we? Don't we? I was going to
    suggest "Old cyclists never die they just get a spoke in the wheel",
    but it'd never fit.
    
    By the way what's the prize given to the chosen suggestion? Chip's
    bike? :*)
    
    Graham.
    

    Chip's bike seems a bit excessive to me. I'm willing to settle for
    Chip's yearly cast-offs, you know, last year's model C-record 
    groupset, that sort of thing. 
    
    
    Rod

     Hey Rod, like I always say, "nothing exceeds like excess!"
    
     BTW, my Christmas catalog will be out in a few weeks...
    
      Chip :-)

    
    
      Why would anybody want Chips bike?
    
      ;-)
    
      John C.
    

     It doesn't matter anyway... The Smithsonian has first dibs!
    
       Chip

    
    
      Good comeback Chip!
    
      JOhn C.
    

    
    Ok, here's the list (only a two work-day slip from the published
    schedule; sorry, but real work interfered).  Vote on it by sending me
    mail.  This is not for confidentiality or secrecy, but to keep the
    Conference from getting ultra-cluttered-up.  I'll publish the top
    rankings here in one (1) week, and John Wasser can decide (including
    to do nothing, of course :-)).
    
    Meanwhile, I'll start negotiating with Chip for some of his cast-offs
    as prizes.  ;-)
    
    1. Cycling Madness   ed fisher
    2. "Not Quite Terminal Cycling"   Chip Girouard
    3. "The bicycle information exchange"  John Crane
    4. "Bicycle Exchange"  Steve Horn
    5. "Welcome to the Bicycles notesfile"  John Fox
    6. "Bicycle Mania"  Doug Hood
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    7's from Graham Goodman
    7a. "The Shimano v Campagnolo Conference"
    7b. "The Anti-motorist Conference"
    7c. "The 'How come the Americans have better weather' Conference"
    7d. "The 'We're all incredibly jealous of Chip's bike' Conference"
    7e. "The 'John Ellis must be VERY stupid' Conference"
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    8's from Rod MacFadyen:
    8a.	Velo City
    8b.	This is Cycling
    8c. 4 Sale #xxxx, Wanted #xxxx, Introductions #xxxx
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    9'a from ed fisher:    
    9a. "Folks who don't wear helmets have nothing to loose"
    9b.  Or is it "... something too loose" ...

   10.  The "Noting when not Cycling" Conference  - Eric Frere

   11.  Bicycling A to Z  - Wayne Vierhout
   12.  Bikes and Cycling - All you need to know or ask  - Wayne Vierhout
   13.  MERLIN OWNERS NOTE  - Chip Girouard
   14.  To bike or not to bike, that is the question  - Chip Girouard
   15.  Velo and other human powered transport - John Bingham                  
   16.  Work is the curse of the Biking Class - ed fisher
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   17. Note #2: buy cycling; 
       Note #8: bye cycling; 
       Note #34: by cycling; 
       Note #200: bi cycling; 
       all other notes: bicycling  - Tim Reeve
   18. Human Powered Vehicles  - 'Face' Cleland
   19. DIGITAL Health Warning - This notesfile can be dangerous and addictive.
	- Robin Hemmings
   20. "HOME OF THE CYCLING HOMBRE'S" - Fred Mudgett
   21. "Cycling for fun" - Graham Goodman
   21x."Old cyclists never die they just get a spoke in the wheel" (")
    

    Of course, it's not out of the question that a nightly batch job could
    run from John Wasser's account, changing the conference notice to the
    next one in the list until it gets back to the beginning....
    
    MATT

    	Here, here...
    
    	I say, good idea...
    
    	We'll just have Chip field strip his Merlin titanium, and award
    	a component a day for each entry.
    
    	But WHOM shall be the winner of the highly coveted Titanium
    	frameset, manufactured in Somerville, Mass.?  &^)

>>    	But WHOM shall be the winner of the highly coveted Titanium
>>    	frameset, manufactured in Somerville, Mass.?  &^)
    
    Well I reckon that since just about everything else on the bike is
    Campag, that it's only fair to give it to me. Just mail it Chip, I'm at
    SQF. :*)
    
    Graham
    

      Come on guys... Eric has a MERLIN too ya know. He could "chip"
      something in.
      ---------
    
      I think that talk and suggestions like this are creating a "closet
      group" of MERLIN owners.
    
          Chip

>>I think that talk and suggestions like this are creating a "closet
>>group" of MERLIN owners.

Notice how quiet I've been on this topic??  I was too busy trying to find a good
reason why I should get the frame...

Eric

VP, MCS

    
    I'll make it just a little bit easer.  I don't want anything but the 
    Chris King headset.  Keep the frame and Campy.
    
    
    							Norm
    
    

re .36 - watch the difference between US and British English.  Being a member
of a closet group may not be a good thing....

				;>)

    RE;38: I guess we'd expect a remark like that from a guy who
           rides a Specialized and has a propensity toward ATB's
           and Toyota vans!
    
           Seriously Norm, lapse into reality for a moment and buy a real
           machine with real components, will you! :-)
     
    
    RE;39: My guess is the term "closet" is referred in conjunction
           with (in the same context) alternative life-styles, affectionate
           preferrance, etc...
    
           We attach it to a little broader range of areas... No offense
           meant and I hope no perceptions created
    
        

    
    Yes, it's that time. I'm about to publish the rankings -- 
    if you want to get in a last-minute vote,
    send me something before noon (EST).
    
    -john

    It was a close contest, but...
    
4     1. Cycling Madness   ed fisher
2    21. "Cycling for fun" - Graham Goodman
1.1  7d. "The 'We're all incredibly jealous of Chip's bike' Conference"
1    10.  The "Noting when not Cycling" Conference  - Eric Frere
1    12.  Bikes and Cycling - All you need to know or ask  - Wayne Vierhout
�    7b. "The Anti-motorist Conference"
�    8a. Velo City
�    8b. This is Cycling
�    8c. 4 Sale #xxxx, Wanted #xxxx, Introductions #xxxx
�    17. Note #2: buy cycling; 
�    20. "HOME OF THE CYCLING HOMBRE'S" - Fred Mudgett
.4   7e. "The 'John Ellis must be VERY stupid' Conference"
    
    The �'s and other fractions (and the 1.1) were secondary and sympathy 
    votes cast by people in addition to their primary votes.  With or
    without my vote, "Cycling Madness" would appear to have a mandate,
    with "Cycling for Fun" close on its heels.  So these two seem to be
    worth serious consideration ... maybe alternated.  I now leave it
    to the Moderator to do what he pleases. :-) (But if possible something
    other than Recreational! ;-))
    
    -john

    
    	Where's Ed's thank you speech? You know the " I'm so surprised to
    be here tonight, but I'd just like to thank my parents and all the
    others who supported me. The jury for being so easy to bribe etc..."
    But no tears Ed, please... :*)
    
    Graham.
    

    
    First the Cycling Service Award, and now this honor, complete
    with Chip's cast-offs... I suspect that Ed is at a loss for words
    at the moment (but *will* recover).  :-)
    
    -john

    I, I, I just don't know what to say.  I suppose I should have voted. 
    
    :-)
    
    ed

    
    Noticed the new conference notice...?
    
    -john

    
    	I don't get it. What happened to Ed's idea that won? Oh, I see,
    this is the "the moderator" will do what he pleases" clause... :*)
    
    Graham.
    

    
    That's my interpretation as well, Graham.  There may also be some
    Official Recreational Notes File Guidelines ... who can say?
    Or maybe the conference notice will be rotated, as a couple of people
    have suggested.
    
    But ... and this is the most important part ... Ed naturally gets
    to keep Chip's cast-offs no matter what, as soon as Chip decides
    what to part with.  :-)
    
    BTW, this may work out pretty well for Ed.  Once Chip takes a spin on 
    one of Norm's Flye-Matics or Flye-Wheels or other model, he may decide 
    to dispose of some pretty high-class gear, now eclipsed by Norm's.  
    Stay tuned!  (Good luck, Norm.)
    
    -john

    
    	Hey! What about my 2nd prize? On second thoughts, if Ed gets Chip's
    bike equipment, all that leaves me is his sweaty shorts. Hmmm, keep
    it...
    
    Graham.
    

    	Hmmm...
    
    	Maybe it's just me, but...
    
    	Ain't "Bicycling for fun" the same as "Recreational cycling" ?
    
    	Just different words meaning the same thing?
    
    	DON'T fly off the deep end now, JUST asking...

     By the way... I don't sweat, I just perspire profusely. And, you
    guessed it, my stuff doesn't stink either. Well, at least I never
    complain because I never have to ride behind me.
    
     I do wish Norm all the luck in the world and will do anything within
    my power to make his dream come true. I just hope that cerebral surgey
    heals soon... :-)
    
      chip_who'll_still_pursue_the_exotic_stuff_until_the_money_runs_out!

    I should have read this note sooner.
    
    PUMPING PAVEMENT, A CYCLING NIGHTMARE