Conference noted::bicycle

    I have not been able to discern any advantage given me by the holes in
    the top of some Oakley lenses.
    
    ed

     Thanks, Ed... Any other opinions?

    When I bought my Oakleys I was told that the holes are there to keep 
    the glasses from fogging when it's humid, when you stop, etc.  The
    only lenses with holes that I have seen are clear, which I guess is
    what you would wear in the fog.  I haven't used the holed lenses
    so this is just heresay.
    
    Terry

     I have seen the "holed" version in iridium and a variety of
    colors...
    
     I was just curious... When mine fog now, I just turn my head to the
    left or right when riding slow or into a breeze when hanging out after
    a ride... 
    
      Chip

    I fog 'em up, holes or no holes when climbing long hills.  I either
    let 'em hang or put 'em in my pocket in those cases.
    
    ed

    The only time they really fog up o me is when I use them for skiing.
    I think the hole version cost a couple of dollars more also.
    
    Huey

    First off, they ain't called Factory Pilots anymore. The new name is
    Oakley Eyeshades...
    I have both types (ventilated and non-ventilated) of lenses and I think
    that the holes do help to reduce fogging, especially on hot 'n humid
    days. The best thing to do to stop/reduce the fogging is take your
    helmet off...but only when you're not riding. Once you start moving
    again the fog usually dissipates.
    
    What color lense are you looking for?
    
    
    Pete
    

     I'm looking for the gray (smoked)... I already have the yellow
    lenses for overcast/gloomy days.
    
     Ya, I know they changed the name... I guess they thought they could
    charge a little more if they disguised them as a new model :-)...
    
     There new model (can't remember the name) I see is going for $160.00
    at Gamache's... Sheesh, when did plastic become a precious metal????
    I guess we'll be seeing plastic listed in the NYSE  under silver,
    platinum, and gold...
    
    Chip
    

    RE: "I guess we'll be seeing plastic listed in the NYSE  under silver,
    platinum, and gold..."
    
    It's there isn't it?  Under "Oil"?
    
    ed

    >                <<< Note 1969.8 by WMOIS::C_GIROUARD >>>
    >                         -< PRECIOUS METALS? >-
    >I guess we'll be seeing plastic listed in the NYSE  under silver,
    >platinum, and gold...
    
    We're not forgetting Titanium are we, Chip ?
    
    rod

     I could never forget titanium! I guess we should be thankful 
    OAKLEY hasn't thought of it as frame material too...
    
     Gee, a $500.00 pair of shades. Hmmmm...
    
       Chip
    
     P.S. This subject is one of my MAJOR pet peeves! Anyone else?

    
    Me too, Chip.  I bought some Shades/Factory Pilots last year
    for a practical reason, and was only consoled because of the
    money saved on not buying a still more ludicrously priced model.
    
    As long as there's "excess disposable income" there will likely
    be entrepreneurial vultures circling overhead to rid us of it.
    
    I guess before cycling became a Fashion Statement, we weren't such a
    target for these people.  Alas... 
    
    -john

    When we weren't a target for these vultures, there weren't so many
    arrows for them to aim at us either.
    
    ed

    
    Chip,
    
    	I may have an extra gray (smoked) lense around, but it doesn't have
    	the holes (non-ventilated). I'll look for it tonight and will let
    	you know. I'm using the Iridium lense in my Eyeshades now, and
    	change to an orange lense for cloudy/overcast days.
    
    	The new glasses from Oakley are the "Mumbo" (M-frame). They're very
    	light and comfortable, but too expensive...
    
    Pete
    

      Thanks John & Pete... I think this table scrap (me) would rather
    sink his money into a critical item like a seat shifter or ceramic
    based handle bar tape or a Greg LeMond/Raul Alcala heart/lung trans-
    plant :-)
    
     Chip

    You hit one of my hot buttons, outrageous prices.  I remember when this
    was a cheap sport.  My biggest issue is helmuts.  Here we are all
    working hard to promote the use of helmuts and the cheapest one you can
    buy is 40 bucks and they go over a hundred.  Sure, your head is worth a
    lot more than that but a helmut can't cost more than a few bucks to
    make and maybe there's a couple for testing and compliance.  If we
    really want to see the younger folks wear them we gatta make them
    affordable.  This probably belongs in the helmut note but do think
    prices are getting unrealistically inflated for almost everything
    related to our sport.

	Outrageous prices are relative, after all we are a free market
	society. Most of the teams for the Junior World Cycling championships
	are in town and are buying out everything with Oakley and Scott names
	on them. Apparantly US list price is about half of what these items
	cost elsewhere in the world. One kid from the British team has a 
	Specialized composite tri-spoke wheel on hold; $795.00 is half of
	what he would pay in England. Not only are they grabbing cycling
	equipment, but they are buying running shoes, etc. as well.

    
    re .16  I wonder what the liability insurance is for a helmet
    manufacturer.  I'd expect that with each helmet sold, a couple bucks go
    just to insure the manufacturer against lawsuits.  How about the
    situation where, if a rider hadn't been wearing a helmet he'd have been
    dead, but with the helmet, he's a vegetable.  Better for the
    manufacturer (liability suit wise) if the guy had been killed!  Not a 
    business I'd care to get into!

    It's not hard to find helmets for 25 to $30.
    
    ed

    re: 2.929 (prescription sport shades)
    
    If you're shopping:
    
    
    Boll� has the little "specs" that attach to the nosepiece.  The
    advantage is that it is cheap to change those specs when your 
    prescription changes.  From the "outside" okay, but they seem
    clumsy when you wear them (IMHO).
    
    Oakleys can incoporate your prescription into the lens (they
    call it a shield).  You need to use an "authorized dealer",
    which in my case had their heads up their.... well, anyway...
    
    As always, the BIG downside to Oakley's is the price, the lens
    alone is $240.  With frames, $350.  If you're accustomed to buying
    designer frames, it's not as big a sticker-shock...
    
    I had to do alot of legwork for the Oakley's, so let me save you
    some time.  I had to tattle on the dealer; they wouldn't sell me the
    lens without the frame, until I called Oakley.
    
    -The M-Frame (Grey-Heater) is part number 06-850.
    -You must supply the dealer with prescription and pupil distance
     on both eyes.
    -Oakley will identify the dealer nearest you 1 800 733 6255.
     
    r� 

    r� 

    I went through the same scenario you did. But since I already had a set of
    Bolle' Microedges, it cost me $65 for the lens at Lenscrafters and $35.00
    for the nose attachment. $350.00 was just way too much for me to go
    prescription. I would of probably went with the J & J disposible contact 
    before I went that route.

    But as teh Bolle', I did lose the side view because of the adapter frame.
    But I now can wear them for sports without dealing with the contacts.

    Dave

    The inference I am getting reading this string is that a lot of people
    are giving up contact lenses + sunglasses for prescription sunglasses.
    I use lenses and ordinary Blades to great sucess.  Is there some reason
    why people are giving up lenses?
    
    Or have I missed the point and -.* are those poor unfortunatres who
    cannot use lenses?
    
    /rod

The response to NOTED:: is like a that of a 3-legged donkey, how about we 
open a contact lens discussion in CYCLE_RACING?

    re: .22
    
    Nope.  I've tried lenses and they didn't work out for me.  In the
    100% humidity and 95 dddegree summers of Atlanta, you ride in constant
    fear of sweat draining into your eyes/lenses.  In a group ride, it can
    be pretty scarey.
    
    Robert rrt

    re: .22
    
    Since I only wear contact when I am only playing sports, I think it's kind
    of a hassle cleaning them after wearing them for a few hours. Also, I
    can do water sports with my prescription sunglasses as long as I wear
    a set of Chums eyeglass holder.

    David