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Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
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1778.0. "The Plain Gauge Guide to Wheelbuilding" by JUMBLY::MACFADYEN (There's no going back) Fri Nov 09 1990 05:40

Prompted by remarks made in 1776, following in .1 is an article about
wheel-building I wrote for an obscure UK cycling rag called New Cyclist,
which was published this spring to deafening silence (although the editor
told me he liked it). Be aware that it's quite long.

Some of the techniques described in this article I learned from close study 
of the wheel-building notes in this file, so if you see your own personal
wrinkle cropping up here, my thanks and apologies! Otherwise, comments,
criticisms and hoots of derision are all welcome.


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1778.1JUMBLY::MACFADYENThere's no going backFri Nov 09 1990 05:53551
          The Plain Gauge Guide to Wheelbuilding


          Wheelbuilding is a skill shrouded in mystique. This is
          a pity because you shouldn't be put off. If you have
          the basic mechanical aptitude of most cyclists and are
          in need of some occupational therapy you can easily
          produce very good wheels. The psychic reward of riding
          around on your own hand-built wheels is considerable,
          not to mention the pleasure you can take from telling
          everybody about it.

          The cycling magazines do little to dispel the myth of
          difficulty. So this article tells you the basics about
          wheels and how to build them and contains the sort of
          things I would have liked to know when I first
          attempted wheelbuilding. I am not an expert, I've only
          built a few wheels of conventional design, but they do
          seem to be bearing up well.

          By the way, you don't need to buy a wheel trueing
          stand.



          Choosing What to Buy

          A wheel is made from one hub, one rim and a number of
          spokes. However, you won't get far by asking the bike
          shop for "A hub, a rim and some spokes, please." Each
          of these parts comes in a daunting variety of options,
          and you must choose the parts that are suitable for
          the sort of wheel you want to build.


          Hubs

          Some choices about hubs are easily made. Do you want
          quick-release or solid spindle? The quick-release
          makes wheel removal very convenient, but solid spindle
          hubs which must be bolted on are stronger. In
          practice, convenience usually wins out. Do you want
          large-flange hubs or small-flange hubs? Small-flange
          hubs are much commoner these days, so the choice is
          almost made for you.

          Some choices are more difficult, in particular
          deciding whether to go for new-style cassette hubs.
          They make changing the rear sprockets very easy, but
          they tie you to one manufacturer's gear system.

          The final choice is deciding how much money to spend.
          The more money you pay, the smoother and
          longer-lasting are the hub bearings.

          You should note that rear hubs come in two widths
          these days: 126mm and 130mm. 126mm is the standard and
          allows the use of six- or seven-speed freewheels.
          Shimano's new eight-speed system uses 130mm. The frame
          of your bike is built to accept one of these widths.


          Spokes

          Choice in spokes extends through material and gauge to
          cross-section. Cheaper spokes are made from rustless
          steel, which, it is true, doesn't rust, but quickly
          looks dirty. It's nicer to use stainless steel spokes
          which last longer and stay shiny.

          The gauge of a spoke is a measure of its diameter and
          thus strength: the lower the number the bigger the
          diameter. 14 gauge is usual, 16 gauge might suit
          racing wheels. To complicate matters, double-butted
          spokes offer both gauges on one spoke by making the
          spoke thicker at the ends than the middle. This offers
          a useful weight saving without much affecting
          strength.

          For those who seek ultimate performance it's possible
          to buy bladed or oval spokes which are flattened at
          the sides to offer less air resistance.

          Deciding on the spoke length your wheel requires is
          tricky, since it depends on rim diameter, whether the
          hub is small- or large-flange, the number of spoke
          crossings and, in the case of rear wheels, which side
          of the wheel the spokes are intended for. The best
          thing to do is tell the shop these facts and let them
          work it out.


          Rims

          First things first: buy alloy rims-brakes work much
          better in the wet on alloy rims than they do on steel
          rims. Other than that, it's another plethora of
          choice.

          The first is rim diameter, usually a choice between
          British 27" and European 700C. A 700C rim is slightly
          smaller in diameter, and is the emerging standard. If
          you are building from scratch, it's better to go for
          700C. You might stick with 27" if your bike's brakes
          require it or if you are building one wheel to match
          another existing one. ATB wheels, just to be
          different, are 26".

          The next choice is weight and cross-section. You'll
          want a narrow section rim for racing, a wider rim for
          touring and wider still for an ATB. Cross-section can
          be a simple channel, or a more modern and stronger box
          section, or an aerodynamically profiled section for
          racing and time-trialling.

          After this, decide whether you'd like coloured rims
          (usually black or grey). They look great, but the
          brakes will quickly wear holes in the finish. Another
          option is whether or not to get heat-treated rims;
          they are stronger but more expensive. If you are
          building racing wheels, decide whether you'll be using
          tubular tyres or wire-ons: tubular tyres require
          sprint rims.

          Finally, remember to get rims with the same number of
          spoke holes as the hubs!



          Diff'rent Spokes for Diff'rent Folks

          There is a reason other than simple competition among
          manufacturers for the wide choice in wheel parts: it
          is that different types of bikes require different
          types of wheels. For example, ATB wheels must be
          strong and take wide tyres, racing wheels must be
          light and stiff, touring wheels must absorb road shock
          and be long-lasting. The wheel builder must select
          parts that are appropriate to the intended use.

          To complicate matters, many desirable attributes of
          wheels are in direct competition with each other.
          Strength and light weight do not go hand in hand.
          Therefore the way in which the wheel is built should
          represent a careful trade-off between the various
          competing attributes, in which those attributes most
          important to the intended use are given the most
          consideration.


 
         Attributes of Wheels

          Just what attributes do wheels have, and how do they
          affect each other?

          o  Lightness

             Lightness is a very desirable quality in wheels.
             Unfortunately it is in direct competition with
             qualities such as strength and stiffness. Lightness
             is achievable through lightweight rims and fewer
             and thinner spokes.

          o  Strength

             Strength is the maximum load that a wheel can bear
             without failing. The maximum load a wheel is likely
             to bear is a factor of the average load and the
             severity of use: for example, the wheels of an ATB
             ridden off-road by a heavy rider are liable to get
             a hammering. Strength is achieved through
             heavy-duty hubs, more and thicker spokes, and
             heavy-duty rims.

          o  Stiffness

             Stiffness is resistance to deformation under load.
             A stiff wheel converts the maximum amount of your
             energy into forward motion, however it makes for a
             rough ride since it absorbs very little road shock.

             The stiffness of a wheel increases as the spoke
             length decreases, since spokes are the most
             flexible part of the hub/spoke/rim combination.
             Spoke length is decreased by reducing the number of
             spoke crossings (the number of other spokes each
             spoke goes over or under between hub and rim) and
             by using large-flange hubs. Stiffness is also
             increased by using more and thicker spokes.

          o  Resilience

             This is a wheel's ability to absorb shock. It's the
             opposite of stiffness, so can be achieved by
             increasing the spoke length.

          o  Longevity

             A very desirable attribute, let's call it
             longevity, is that a wheel doesn't go out of true
             or suffer broken spokes. This is where you can
             score by building your own wheels: a good
             hand-built wheel has a real edge in longevity over
             its machine-built counterpart because it contains
             no unnecessary stresses and because the spokes have
             been artificially "aged" during building.

          o  Aerodynamic considerations

             Aerodynamic considerations only become significant
             at the high speeds of road-racing and
             time-trialling. It may seem that variations in
             wheel construction can't have much effect on the
             aerodynamics of the bike, but the rotation of the
             wheel increases the drag it causes. Also, small
             variations in performance assume more importance in
             competition.

             A wheel can be made more aerodynamic by using aero
             rims (which have a deep, rounded cross-section that
             smoothes the airflow), fewer spokes and/or bladed
             spokes. The use of aero rims has no particular
             drawbacks, but using fewer spokes reduces the
             wheel's strength and stiffness, and using bladed
             spokes makes the wheel more difficult to build
             since you must make sure the spokes are not
             twisted; if they were, the advantage would be lost.



          Examples of wheels

          Here are some examples of the wheels used by different
          kinds of bikes which show how different applications
          require different wheels. Don't take these examples as
          definitive.

          o  ATB:  solid-spindle small-flange hub, 40 14-gauge
             spokes built three-cross, very wide box-section 26"
             rim. ATB wheels are built to take real punishment.
             The very wide rims add strength and allow the use
             of fat tyres.

          o  Touring:  quick-release small-flange hub, 36 14-gauge
             spokes built three-cross, wide box-section 700C
             rim. Touring bikes require a strong, long-lasting
             wheel that's not so stiff as to be uncomfortable to
             ride. This makes touring wheels very suitable for
             general purpose use such as commuting or shopping.
             For extra resilience, touring wheels are sometimes
             built four-cross.

          o  Road-race:  quick-release small-flange hub, 32
             double-butted (14/16/14-gauge) spokes built
             two-cross, aero-profile 700C sprint rim. Road-race
             wheels must be both stiff and light, and strong
             enough to stand up to long distances on normal road
             surfaces.

          o  Track:  solid spindle large-flange hub, 28 14-gauge
             spokes built radially, sprint rim. Track wheels
             require a difficult combination of strength,
             stiffness and low drag, with stiffness being
             particularly important. A track rear wheel would
             probably be built two-cross, at least on the gear
             side.




          Wheelbuilding Processes

          These are the processes involved in wheelbuilding:

          o  Trueing

             Trueing is the process of making fine adjustments
             to the tension of each spoke until the rim spins
             with no wobbles. Trueing should of course eliminate
             sideways wobbles, but also up-and-down wobbles that
             show that the rim is not quite circular.

          o  Centring

             A centred wheel is one that sits perfectly central
             in the frame: the rim is the same sideways distance
             from each dropout.

          o  Dishing

             A dished wheel is one where the rim is not centred
             between the hub flanges. The rear wheel of any
             derailleur-geared bike is dished because one flange
             is pushed inwards to make room for the gear
             cluster, therefore dishing is necessary to make
             sure that the rim is centred in the frame. On a
             dished wheel the gear-side spokes come up to the
             rim at a steeper angle than the off-side spokes and
             carry more tension.

          o  Stressing

             Stressing is the under-publicised way of making
             sure your wheels won't go out of true. By
             stretching the spokes very tightly several times
             while the wheel is being built, much of the initial
             "give" of new spokes is taken up. A wheel built
             with stressed spokes is much less likely to go out
             of true once you start to use it than one built
             with unstressed spokes (as machine-built wheels
             are).



 
         Building the Wheel

          The first time you build a wheel it's best to start to
          with something not too extreme: a conventional 36-hole
          three-cross wheel would be a good start. A
          wheelbuilding stand is not necessary, although you
          might find it convenient if you intend to build wheels
          regularly. I've found that using the bike frame is
          good enough for occasional wheelbuilding. Using the
          methods I've described, building the rear (dished)
          wheel is no more difficult than building the front.

          The tools you will need are a spoke nipple key and a
          screwdriver.


          Preparing the Frame

          Build front wheels in the front forks of your bike,
          and rear wheels in the rear. But first prepare your
          bike as follows:

          o  Remove the wheels and set the bike upside down.

          o  Remove the front or rear brake blocks as
             appropriate, and replace each block with a bolt
             held in place by two nuts. These bolts will act as
             the reference points against which you will check
             the trueness of the wheel.

          o  If you are building a rear wheel, you may find it
             convenient to remove the chain.

          It's handy to have a chair you can sit on while
          trueing the wheel.


          1 - Lace the Spokes

          The best way to lace a wheel is to have beside you
          another wheel to copy. This makes the job much easier
          than trying to visualise what the completed wheel
          should look like, particularly in the early stages
          when the partially-laced wheel just looks like a mess.
          Here are some tips:

          o  Before you start to lace up a wheel, put all the
             spoke nipples in a dish of oil. The lubrication
             will pay off when you come to trueing the wheel
             since the nipples will turn easily, even under
             load, and it will help any trueing you have to do
             in the future.

          o  Turn each nipple the same number of times onto the
             spoke; say four turns to start with.

          o  Make sure the valve hole is not under a spoke
             crossing: the spokes on either side of the valve
             should be leaning away from it. Look carefully at
             your example wheel to see how this is done. If by
             mistake you position the hole under a crossing, the
             spokes will hinder access of a pump to the
             valve-then you'll feel stupid!

          o  Lace the spokes in four groups: first all the
             left-hand side forward-leaning spokes, then all the
             left-hand rearward leaning spokes, then all the
             right-hand forward-leaning spokes, finally all the
             right-hand rearward-leaning spokes. By the halfway
             point, when you've done all the spokes on one side,
             the wheel will have acquired some form and
             strength.

          o  When you have finished, examine all the spoke
             crossings to make sure they are correct.


          2 - Tension the Spokes

          You've got to develop a feel for correct spoke
          tension. It's not too difficult. The best way is to
          pluck the spokes on some good wheels and remember the
          pitch of the note they make: the wheels you build
          should sound similar.

          To give some initial tension to the spokes, put a
          couple of turns onto every spoke nipple. Repeat this
          until all spokes are fairly tight, although not as
          tight as you are eventually aiming for. Make sure that
          every spoke nipple has been turned the same number of
          times. If this results in some spokes being overly
          tight or loose, adjust them to match the others.


          3 - True the Rim

          The wheel is assembled and the spokes are tight, but
          it is not true; when you spin it, it wobbles.

          It's inaccurate in two senses since it has both
          sideways and up-and-down wobbles. Sideways wobbles are
          cured by tightening the spoke inside the wobble and/or
          loosening the spoke outside the wobble. Up-and-down
          wobbles are cured by tightening pairs of spokes
          beneath rises and loosening them beneath dips.

          Start with sideways wobbles. Put the wheel into the
          frame and spin it gently. The bolts mounted in the
          brake calipers provide a reference against which
          errors can be judged. If a wobble is large, tighten
          several of the inside spokes, tightening the ones at
          the peak of the wobble most. Don't tighten any spoke
          by more than a full turn, and alternate between fixing
          leftward wobbles and rightward wobbles.

          To judge up-and-down wobbles, spin the wheel and look
          at it from the side. Hold a screwdriver blade close to
          the rim across the stays or forks to act as a
          reference. To cure errors, tighten pairs of spokes
          (one left spoke and one right spoke) under a rise, and
          loosen pairs under a dip.

          Trueing goes slowly at first, but take your time and
          don't make large changes in one go. Check the effect
          of every change, and at this stage don't worry about
          wobbles of less than a millimetre or so.


          4 - Centre the Rim

          The wheel spins evenly, but is it centred in the
          frame? The way to check is by flipping it: take the
          wheel out, turn it round, and put it back in the
          frame. If the wheel is not centred, the rim will have
          moved to one side.

          Correct this by tightening all the spokes on the side
          that pulls the rim towards the centre, and/or
          loosening all the spokes on the side away from the
          centre. Make sure you make the same adjustment to each
          spoke. Flip the wheel after each complete adjustment
          to check what you have done. If the sideways change in
          the position of the rim is less than a couple of
          millimetres, the wheel is adequately centred.

          This process will automatically build a
          correctly-dished rear wheel.


          5 - Release Spoke Twist

          Some spokes may be twisted, and you should release
          this before proceeding. Take the wheel out of the
          frame and lie it on the floor (don't do this on a good
          carpet!). Kneel over it, hold the rim at opposite
          points with both hands, and lean heavily on the wheel
          until you hear pinging noises. You've relieved enough
          of the load on some spokes for them to untwist. Move
          your hands a little way round and lean again,
          repeating until each hand has moved half-way round the
          rim. Turn the wheel over and repeat the process.

          If you put the wheel back in the frame and spin it
          now, you'll find that it's less true than it was.


          6 - Stress the Spokes

          Spoke stressing is important with new spokes, but can
          be skipped if you are rebuilding with old ones. It
          requires a short length of wooden rod about 1" in
          diameter, for example a bit of broom handle or a
          screwdriver handle.

          Stand over the wheel, with the wheel vertical. Put the
          rod through a spoke crossing, grasp the rod on both
          sides, and push down quite heavily. Repeat this for
          every spoke crossing. You don't want to break the
          spokes, but you do want to give them a fright. An
          alternative method is to grasp the spokes in groups of
          four and squeeze hard.

          After you have stressed the spokes, you'll find that
          they are noticeably looser.


          7 - True to Perfection

          Now the process repeats itself:

          a. Tighten the spokes to the final tension.

          b. Check wheel centring, and adjust if necessary.

          c. True the wheel, this time accurately. It becomes
             hard to see small wobbles, so a good way to detect
             them is by listening! With the wheel spinning
             slowly, push the brake caliper slightly towards the
             rim. When the bolt touches the rim, at the peak of
             the wobble, you'll hear it. When correcting small
             wobbles don't make adjustments bigger than half a
             turn.

          d. Release spoke twist, and perhaps retrue if any
             errors appear as a result.


          And that's it! Give the wheel a good hard spin, watch
          the rim racing round without a trace of wobble, and
          feel proud of yourself.


          Finally...

          There are a couple of things more to do.

          If you are using channel section rims, some spokes may
          be sticking up on the outside of the rim high enough
          to threaten punctures. You should saw or cut off these
          ends flush with the nipple. You may also need to
          degrease the rim to remove traces of oil. Also, the
          first time you ride on the wheel you should NOT hear
          any pinging noises: if you do, you didn't adequately
          release spoke twist and you may need to retrue.

          But that's it. You've built a wheel, an exquisite
          balance of tensile and compressive forces. You've
          acquired the skill to keep it true and repair it
          should a spoke break. Wheels are a mystery to you no
          more.



          �1989 Rod MacFadyen

1778.2frightful comments!SHALOT::ELLISJohn Lee Ellis - assembly requiredFri Nov 09 1990 08:4529
    
    "You don't want to break the spokes, 
     but you do want to give them a fright."   - my favorite line
    
    I think this is a good introduction, and dispenses with a lot
    of the mistique that may put people off building their first wheel.
    
    It is so tempting to add more data, but that would imperil keeping
    it simple.  You might mention that high-flange rims are reputed
    to make a stronger, stiffer wheel (e.g., because the spoke length
    will be less) ... but does that matter if you can hardly find
    high-flange rims any more (as you point out)?
    
    Some people build rear wheels with more spokes than the front ones,
    to put the strength where the greatest loads will be.
    
    "The use of aero rims has no particular drawbacks..." - I thought
    that aero rims tended to be heavier, and so you actually pay a penalty 
    below sub-racing speeds.
    
    You might hint in the Trueing/Rounding section that getting a rim 
    too far out of round (e.g., in the Trueing process) may deform the rim 
    such that it can't be rounded again.
    
    Oh, and I thought there was a special Campagnolo spoke-stressing tool
    for about �55 (in quantity), that can also be used for a screwdriver
    or a broomhandle.  :-)
    
    -john
1778.3more nits to pick ....SUSHI::KMACDONALDIronFish Tamer.Fri Nov 09 1990 09:5415
Might add a couple things - in the lacing section, it should be noted 
that copying the pattern of a machine-built wheel is generally not good 
form. It's not bad, but there does seem to be some advantage to using a 
correct pattern of trailing and leading spokes. Also note that it's not 
too obvious on some rims, but there are definite sides to the spoke 
holes (noted as one who has laced a wheel with the left side spokes in 
the right side holes :-(  ).

As for your statement that the sides of a rear wheel have different 
spoke tension, seems to me that the movement of the rim to one side is 
what tends to equalize that tension, even though the spokes are pulled 
shorter on the freewheel side.... it's the balance of the two sides 
tension that leaves the rim where it is, yes?

                                                ken
1778.4Cloudy or what....JUMBLY::MACFADYENThere's no going backFri Nov 09 1990 11:1816
Re lacing patterns: I've learned a little more about this since I wrote that
article (well over a year ago). The main thing seems to be to do the spokes
in neat pairs, so that the spokes opposite each other on the hub flange are
doing the same thing: ie both going in the same direction and both with heads
turned inwards (or outwards). Hard to describe this, easy to draw it... 

About rear wheel spokes: the two sides do have different tensions, you only
have to pluck the spokes to know this. I understand what you are saying
though: the forces must be in balance somehow. So there is a sense in
which the spoke tensions are equal, and that is when you consider only the
forces acting out of the plane of the wheel. Since the gear-side spokes go
to the hub at a steeper angle than the offside spokes, they have to have a
higher tension in order to have the same out-of-plane force vector.


Rod
1778.5tension balance. lacing patternsTALLIS::JBELLZeno was almost hereFri Nov 09 1990 11:4521
>As for your statement that the sides of a rear wheel have different 
>spoke tension, seems to me that the movement of the rim to one side is 
>what tends to equalize that tension, even though the spokes are pulled 
>shorter on the freewheel side.... it's the balance of the two sides 
>tension that leaves the rim where it is, yes?

The tricky part is that the spokes are at different angles.
The tension along the spoke is different, but the axial components are equal.

That is to say,  tension * Tan (angle out of plane) is equal.

----------------------------------------------------------------

The original article includes a section about designing a wheel
for stiffness.  I claim that the lacing pattern will not make
a difference in the riding characteristics of a bike.

Any tire is going to be 100 times as compliant as the wheel.


-Jeff
1778.6JUMBLY::MACFADYENThere's no going backMon Nov 12 1990 10:3126
.5> Any tire is going to be 100 times as compliant as the wheel.

No, I disagree entirely. The spokes are the most compliant part of the
wheel, and just like different rear wheel spoke tensions, this is easy 
to prove. Just go to your bike and press hard sideways on the tyre with
your thumb. The tyre will give a little, but the rim will move a lot - you
can easily push it up against the brake blocks. I could qualify this a 
little in that I think spoke compliance is definitely greater than tyre
compliance for forces acting at right angles to the plane of the wheel,
whereas I'm sure tyre compliance is greater for forces acting into the
plane of the wheel. However when people talk about "wheel stiffness", they
mean its resistance to out-of-plane forces. When you get out of the saddle
for a climb or a sprint, and really begin to pay attention to bike 
stiffness, you're applying large out-of-plane forces to the wheel.


.5> The original article includes a section about designing a wheel
.5> for stiffness.  I claim that the lacing pattern will not make
.5> a difference in the riding characteristics of a bike.

Having said all the above, you'll know that I disagree with this
assertion entyrely!


Rod

1778.7I'm not convincedTALLIS::JBELLZeno was almost hereMon Nov 12 1990 11:379
    I agree that the spokes are more compliant in the axial direction.
    And I think we agree that the tire is the most compliant
    element in the radial direction.

    In the original article, I think that you related wheel stiffness
    to riding comfort.  In normal riding I think that the tire
    will have the most influence on the harshness of ride.

    -Jeff Bell
1778.8JUMBLY::MACFADYENThere's no going backMon Nov 12 1990 12:3111
You may well be right when it comes to ride comfort, since that must be
mainly concerned with radial load, but I think spokes are critical to 
perceived stiffness during high pedalling effort. 

I read a comment by a top UK time-trialler recently where he was bemoaning 
having to use a conventional rear wheel in a race rather than his disc which
broke just before he started: he said that by comparison a spoked rear felt 
like it had a flat because it squirmed about so much.


Rod
1778.9Large flange .NE. shorter spokeUSWAV7::CLELANDWhy, I oughta...Tue Nov 13 1990 07:2829
    	Re .2
    
    >    You might mention that high-flange rims are reputed
    >to make a stronger, stiffer wheel (e.g., because the spoke length
    >will be less) ...
    
    	Negative captain. I'm sure your reference to "high-flange rims"
    is merely a typo, as there is no such thing as a high-flange rim.
    High-flange hub(s), perhaps...
    
    	High-flange hubs can help produce a stiffer wheel, because there
    is less spoke "area", from a cross-sectional point of view. They do
    not make a wheel stronger because the spokes are shorter. Theory is,
    the radius from hub-flange to rim-face is decreased, but the actual
    distance from hub-drilling to rim-drilling is not decreased ** when
    lacing in cross-spoked patterns **.
    
        This holds true mostly for 3 and 4-cross lacing patterns, but is
    arguably de-emphasized with 2-cross paterns. I believe because the
    relative angle of the spoke is increased, in relationship to the hub.
    The closer the spoke approaches a 180 degree angle relative to the
    hub's radius, the smaller the distance from hub-drilling to rim-hole.
    Radial spoking obviously would utilize shorter spoke lengths, when
    lacing up a large-flange hub.
    
    	I ain't no expert, but I'm sure I'm at least partially correct.
    If anyone can prove it different, please do...
    
    							Face.
1778.10I'll take the 6mm. please.NOVA::FISHERRdb/VMS DinosaurTue Nov 13 1990 08:159
    "Theory is,
    the radius from hub-flange to rim-face is decreased, but the actual
    distance from hub-drilling to rim-drilling is not decreased ** when
    lacing in cross-spoked patterns **."
    
    The spokes for a campy large flange front hub are 6 mm shorter than
    those for a campy small flange front hub in a 3X 36 spoke wheel.
    
    ed
1778.11thanks for the infoSHALOT::ELLISJohn Lee Ellis - assembly requiredTue Nov 13 1990 09:114
    
    Yes, I did mean high-flange hubs ... of course you *could* describe
    the new disk-like rims as "high-flange" but I wouldn't be the one
    to do that, no.
1778.12more skepticism on spoking patternsTALLIS::JBELLZeno was almost hereTue Nov 13 1990 09:394
    6mm out of about 300.  That's a 2% difference in spoke length.

    Can you really feel a difference?

1778.13what's a few mm??NOVA::FISHERRdb/VMS DinosaurTue Nov 13 1990 09:5014
    Well, the difference in hub radius (for the Campy small and large
    flange hubs) is 14 mm so the 6mm is half of that.  What does that mean,
    I don't know, I've never used large flange hubs.
    
    The difference in spoke lengths for 3X vs 4X spokes is 6mm.  What does
    that mean?  To me it means that the 4X wheel is heavier.
    
    Can I feel the difference?  No, but then I can't feel the difference
    between tubies and clinchers either, I guess I just don't ride enough
    to appreciate the finer things in life.
    
    Now, an aero seat post, I can feel that.
    
    ed
1778.14ALLVAX::JROTHIt's a bush recording...Tue Nov 13 1990 10:059
    If you consider the torque of the hub on a driven (rear) wheel,
    then a high flange hub would be stiffer in that respect.  A high
    flange hub wheel is stiffer if you consider lateral forces on the
    wheel too.

    I don't know how much you can feel that since I never owned a high
    quality set of wheels with high flange hubs.

    - Jim
1778.15high-flange and tubularSHALOT::ELLISJohn Lee Ellis - assembly requiredTue Nov 13 1990 11:0311
    
    Well, last summer I brought a good set up high-flange tubulars
    out of mothballs, which should answer both .-1 and ed's note.
    
    The hubs are Campagnolo Record; the rims are Mavic Campionat du Monde;
    the tires are GX's, as I recall.
    
    Anyway, I immediately noticed the difference the tubulars made 
    ("squishy!") which more than distracted from the hubs.  Alas.
    
    -john
1778.16The Bicycle Wheel by Jobst BrandtBOOKS::MULDOONI'll be right back - GodotWed Nov 14 1990 11:1214
    
     RE: all
    
           The "definitive work" on this subject is 'The Bicycle Wheel'
       by Jobst Brandt. He provides a great deal of technical info and
       engineering analysis concerning wheels in general and the spoked
       bicycle wheel in particular. I believe that Jobst works for HP
       somewhere on the west coast and he is a regular contributor to
       the newsgroup rec.bicycles on the USENET. You might try posting
       there for his (and others') input, but be prepared for, shall we
       say, "differing opinions".  8^)
    
    
                                                      Steve
1778.17The Bicycle Wheel, what'd he say?USWAV7::CLELANDWhy, I oughta...Tue Nov 20 1990 07:2729
    	I've read that particular text a few times.
    
    	I had to use the "plow" technique. I started at the beginning,
    	and plowed my way into the text. Each time, I would be entirely
    	lost by terminology, and forced to go back to the beginning to
    	start all over again. I was able to plow my way through the
    	entire book, but as far as comprehension is concerned, well...
    
    	I didn't find the book overly useful for a definitive text on
    	wheel building. No one else could perhaps approach his level
    	of research on the physical properties of the bicycle wheel.
    	Still though, I had taught myself how to build wheels by copy-
    	ing built ones. I learned how to lace from trial and error.
    	I'm probably still not performing the most efficient lacing
    	pattern, (in fact I use two different methods, depending on
    	the eventual spoke crossing, x2, x3, x4) but I'm still trying.
    
    	I bought Brandt's book to learn how to build my wheels tighter.
    	I was, and still am, not getting the spokes as tight as any
    	factory built wheel. The only help I received from the book
    	was to use a lubricant for the nipple threads. That was it.
    	I'd already discovered that little bit of knowledge on my own.
    	I'm building tighter wheels now, but I'd like some instruction
    	on how to properly tension a newly laced wheel.
    
    	I didn't find the text to be "hands on", or, in *my* case,
    	"in layman's terms". 'Cause me vocabewlerry ain't be 'zackly
    	d'at of a jeenious...
    						T'anks, Face
1778.18Difficult to over-tightenJUMBLY::MACFADYENThat's done it, I'm offWed Nov 21 1990 05:1324
Re .17:  I found I was building wheels too loose when a couple of times
a spoke on a new wheel lost tension completely and warped the wheel. This
happens particularly with lubricated nipples (ooh).

In a bicycle mag I saw a reference to Brandt's book (which I haven't read)
which said that he recommended 100 kg per spoke (over 200 lbs). I have no
direct way of measuring spoke tension other than by the note the spoke
makes when plucked, so I thought I'd load a spoke up to that sort of level
and see what it sounded like.

Using an old hub and a bit of an old rim, I devised a way in which I could
hang my entire weight off one spoke, using the bit of rim to hold onto and
do a pull-up on. I weigh around 80 kg, not even Brandt's 100 kg, and by God 
that spoke was tight, much tighter than in any wheel I'd ever built. It had 
a really high note, at least an octave higher than spokes on my existing 
wheels, suggesting that it was at least double their tension.

So I went back to the wheels on my racing bike and put a lot more tension
into them. No more spokes came loose and the wheel has stayed very true all 
year through about 1500 miles of use. I intend to tighten the wheels on the
other bike similarly. 


Rod
1778.19an esoteric workSHALOT::ELLISJohn Lee Ellis - assembly requiredWed Nov 21 1990 08:0610
    
    Rod,
    
    I wish I had a newly built wheel to check the tension on.
    
    Brandt's book is good reading, in my opinion, but it is not
    easy reading.  If you cannot obtain a copy, I will send you
    some sample pages, or you can borrow my copy.
    
    -john
1778.20JUMBLY::MACFADYENThat's done it, I'm offWed Nov 21 1990 09:035
Hi John, there's no difficulty in obtaining that book here, I've just never
bothered... I'll get round to it sooner or later.


Rod
1778.21Spoke Length CalculationsTALLIS::JBELLZeno was almost hereWed Nov 21 1990 14:1928
Probably the single most useful item from Jobst's book is his formula
for calculating spoke length.  You need to know these things:

 D = rim diameter (i.e. where you want the spokes to end ~600mm)
 d = hub flange diameter center to center across the spoke holes (~44mm)
 W = flange spacing (~75 mm)
 S = diameter of the spoke hole (~2.5 mm)
 N = number of spokes (24 to 48, usually 36)
 X = number of crossings (2 3 or 4)

From this info, caclulate
Hole Radius   s = S/2
Rim Radius    R = D/2
Hub Radius    r = d/2
Spoke Angle   T =  720 * X/N

A = r * sin(T)
B = R - r*cos(T)
C = W/2

Spoke Length = sqrt(A^2 + B^2 + C^2) - s


I usually subtract 2 mm to allow for spoke tensioning.


-Jeff Bell

1778.22"Building Bicycle Wheels" by Robert WrightISTG::ZIELONKOLoose lips are the mothers of invention.Tue Nov 27 1990 07:227
I have managed to build a number of wheels for myself using a simple and
practical book called "Building Bicycle Wheels" by Robert Wright. The book is a
short (45 pages including index and appendices) and sweet "how to" on building
wheels. It's also quite cheap. The copy I have was priced at $1.95. (I bought
it sometime in the early 80s.) 

Karol
1778.23Wheelsmith article in Bicycle GuideSHALOT::ELLISJohn Lee Ellis - assembly requiredTue Nov 27 1990 08:5713
    
    ...and the latest (December) Bicycle Guide has a piece on the
    two guys behind Wheelsmith Fabrications, Menlo Park CA.  -
    Eric and Jon Hjertberg.
    
    According to the article, they wanted to collaborate with 
    nearby Jobst Brandt on a book, but found he wanted to write 
    too theoretically for them, and so he wrote the book himself.
    
    They have apparently analyzed hundreds and hundreds of wheels,
    and brought machine-built wheels up to a new standard.
    
    -john
1778.24EDIT::CRITZLeMond Wins '86,'89,'90 TdFTue Nov 27 1990 12:595
    	I believe BICYCLING ran a series of articles by Hjertberg
    	back in 1987 or 1988. I have copies of them, but it would
    	take me some time to find them.
    
    	Scott
1778.25there's a wheel too tight tonight in Winnipeg...SUSHI::KMACDONALDDrywall Poster Child for 1990Tue Nov 27 1990 13:2415
>that spoke was tight, much tighter than in any wheel I'd ever built. It had 
>a really high note, at least an octave higher than spokes on my existing 
>wheels, suggesting that it was at least double their tension.

Sounds like an interesting experiment! I did actually find a wheel once 
that seemed like it was TOO TIGHT. It was a radially-laced wheel built 
by a famous Canadian frame-builder (famous to us, because we were the 
nearest shop in the States and we had to fix lots of his foul-ups). The 
spokes were just "brick-hard" as one of my co-workers used to say, the 
wheel had gone out of true, and I certainly couldn't tighten them to 
true the wheel. However, in LOOSENING the spokes, 3 of them broke right 
in the middle. Personally, seems to me those spokes were under too much 
stress; as was I when the wheel's owner returned, oh well!

                             ken
1778.26Lacing the first spoke??RUTILE::STIMPSONEIC Ferney-VoltaireMon Jan 21 1991 11:3014
    Under Rod's tutelage (distance learning, since he wasn't in the room), I
tried to build my very first wheel this weekend. My main problem so far is
with lacing the spokes. Despite Rod's advice to use an already built wheel
as a reference, I managed to lace up the wheel wrongly, though to a layman
like me, it looked OK to begin with  -  the problem was that some of the
spokes were protruding head and shoulders above the tyre-side of the rim. 

My second attempt was last night - this time, I think I have got it right,
but if it is  a success, I'm sure there was a lot of luck about it. Thing
is...where and how do you start, bearing in mind that you need NOT to have
the spokes crossing above the valve hole? Once you have laced the first
spoke, you have determined where all the others must go!

Keith
1778.27wheel reference pointsTALLIS::JBELLZeno was almost hereMon Jan 21 1991 12:3410
    You can start with the first spoke next to the valve hole.

    In a 36 spoke wheel, the joint is exaclt opposite the valve.
    This means that there will be more force pulling it together.
    You could start spooking next to the rim joint.

    Is the joint across from the valve on rims where the number
    of spokes is a multiple of 8?

    -Jeff
1778.28something in the air...SHALOT::ELLISJohn Lee Ellis - assembly requiredMon Jan 21 1991 13:2819
    
    Coincidentally, I laced up some wheels on Saturday and Sunday.
    The ingredients have been around for a year, and I've just not
    had the time 'til now. 
    
    Anyway, I followed Jobst Brandt's instructions (first spoke to left
    of valve-hole, with rim aligned so first rim-hole is upward, etc.).
    
    Worked fine.  I went around several times tightening four turns
    each time, 'til the spoke-ends were almost flush with the nipples.
    Now I will take it by my bike shop for help in dishing the rear wheel,
    plus final tensioning, relaxation, and truing. (I intend to have a
    reliable set of wheels, with many miles in them.)
    
    FYI, Campy Record hubs (36 hole rear, 32 hole front), Campy Omega
    aero rims (also 36 hole rear, 32 hole front :-)), Wheelsmith 
    double butted spokes.
    
    -john
1778.29:-)NOVA::FISHERWell, there's still an Earth to come home to.Mon Jan 21 1991 15:007
    It has been my experience that the rim joint is opposite from the valve
    hole whenver the number of spoke holes is a multiple of two.
    
    Of course, I have not seen all such rims ever made nor have I ever seen
    a rim where the number of spoke holes was not a multiple of two.
    
    ed
1778.30spoke countsTALLIS::JBELLZeno was almost hereMon Jan 21 1991 15:1711
    Most bicycle wheels have a a multiple of four for the number
    of spokes.  This is because you would like to have the same number
    pushing as pulling. on each side.


    OK... trivia question.

    You find a wheel that has 30 spokes.
    What two lacing patterns could it use?

    -Jeff Bell
1778.31a shot in the darkSHALOT::ELLISJohn Lee Ellis - assembly requiredMon Jan 21 1991 15:332
    
    ummm... radial and three-cross?  
1778.32shot in the dark #2TPWEST::SHROYERMon Jan 21 1991 15:389
While we're into guessing....

radial and two cross (each cross involves three spokes; five cross 
group on each side)

I'd probably trade the rim in on something more traditional like 32 
holes.

1778.33Seen long ago....SUSHI::KMACDONALDDrywall Poster Child for 1990Mon Jan 21 1991 16:287
>    It has been my experience that the rim joint is opposite from the valve
>    hole whenver the number of spoke holes is a multiple of two.
    
Seems to me that I ran across a few where this was not the case. Rims were
decidedly of the "economy plus" variety (like, the whole bike new was in
the 69$ range...). Why'd you bring this up; I was trying to forget! :-)
                       ken
1778.34trivia answerWMOIS::N_FLYEMon Jan 21 1991 20:368
    
    Radial and Crow's (something or other).  The second is definitely an
    interesting "pattern".  It only works on wheels with spokes in 
    multiples of six though.
    
    						Norm
    
    
1778.35heck, I dunno.NOVA::FISHERWell, there's still an Earth to come home to.Tue Jan 22 1991 07:583
    20 3X on the frewheel side and 10 radial on the other. ??
    
    ed
1778.36crow's feet and radialTALLIS::JBELLZeno was almost hereTue Jan 22 1991 09:127
The answer is that it's either radial, or crow's feet
if it has 30 holes.  I'm not sure who the winner is.

Crow's feet is where you have groups of three.  One is "pushing"
another is "pulling" and the third is radial.

-Jeff Bell
1778.3740H front?DOOZER::PENNEYRichard Penney 830 4114 @RKA 1/19Tue Jan 22 1991 15:1616
First - does anyone know if any firm makes a 40 hole front hub?  I want 
reasonable quality, but not at Phil Wood price (I've read that they'll do 
any number of holes to order). Also I don't want tandem weight.

Second - if as I suspect there's no such thing, what about getting a 20 
hole hub and drilling the extra holes myself?  No problem doing the actual 
drilling - we're set up at home to do that sort of thing - what I'm 
wondering is if there is a 20h hub with enough meat in the flanges to allow 
for the additional holes.

Thanks,
Richard

ps In case you wonder why I want this, it's for the front wheel of my 
trike. I want 40h to withstand the sideways cornering forces that you don't 
get on a bicycle.
1778.38yep, they're made.NOVA::FISHERWell, there's still an Earth to come home to.Tue Jan 22 1991 17:223
    I have a pair of specialized 40 hole hubs.
    
    ed
1778.39They get 'em donated.NOVA::FISHERWell, there's still an Earth to come home to.Tue Jan 22 1991 17:247
    re:.37 again.  It might be easier to find an undriled hub and
    drill all 40 holes yourself.
    
    Whenever the US team goes high tech, they mention doing their own
    drilling.  Of course, they might be in a different price bracket. :-)
    
    ed
1778.4040 hole front?IDEFIX::HEMMINGSLanterne RougeWed Jan 23 1991 03:2911
Richard

Do you really need 40 hole?  I raced a trike for many years with an old Campag
Gran Sport LF 28 hole built on a Mavic in the front.  I didn't have any
problems and I'm sure the speed and my weight (75 kg) would have stressed it.
I would have used 28's or 32's in the back but couldn't afford to change the
hubs.  My view is that trikes carry enough surplus weight already, I would go
for 36's and a strong rim.

If you are really stuck on the idea, try Swallow's in Laindon - they also do
heavy duty spokes (or they did 4 years ago).
1778.41RUTILE::MACFADYENDrinking for peaceWed Jan 23 1991 15:4026
>          <<< Note 1778.27 by TALLIS::JBELL "Zeno was almost here" >>>
>
>    In a 36 spoke wheel, the joint is exaclt opposite the valve.
>    This means that there will be more force pulling it together.

    I'd disagree with this assertion, and make one of my own - it doesn't
    make a blind bit of difference where the rim joint is, since any part
    of the rim feels the same load from the spokes as any other part of the
    rim. To be more explicit, the spokes exert a uniform compressive force
    on the rim: it's like a circular arch.
    
    
    The question (in another reply?) about 30 spoke hubs is interesting.
    Does anyone know how many different spoking patterns there are?
    
    Keith's (.26) difficulty certainly exposed a continent of ignorance on
    my part, that is, what procedure can one use to ensure that you lace a
    wheel correctly? (Other than trial and error.) I looked at the wheel in
    question and what had happened was that each spoke had gone into a
    valve hole one step round from the one it should have gone into, with
    the effect that half the spokes seemed too short and half seemed too
    long. I sympathised deeply with this, having done that before too..
    
    
    Rod
    
1778.42the things to watch out for....SUSHI::KMACDONALDDrywall Poster Child for 1990Wed Jan 23 1991 16:4325
>    my part, that is, what procedure can one use to ensure that you lace a
>    wheel correctly? (Other than trial and error.) I looked at the wheel in

Best bet - find a good quality hand-built wheel that has all the nice lacing 
characteristics you want. Get the same components and copy it slavishly!

Various pitfalls involve... 1) the spoke holes in rims alternate sides.
There are left- and right-hand rims based on which way the holes go when 
leaving the valve hole. Don't try to lace a LH rim by copying a RH wheel.
BTW, RH and LH are relative, two rims will either be the same orientation
or mirror images, I don't know that there's a standard definition of LH/RH.
2) try to get the valve hole in between a 'group' of spokes, makes
pumping easier. 3) note that the spoke holes on the hub are offset between
the 2 flanges... 4) figure out how the spokes come off the hub to form
the groups at the rim. By doing this you can figure out how to get the spokes
coming off the hub correctly. 5) as you lace, be sure to get the trailing 
spokes on the inside of the hub flanges. Important because sooner or later
somebody will make a snide comment about your wheel building ability if
you copy a machine-built wheel lacing pattern. :-)

Anyway, if you don't have a copy of what you're going to build handy, spend
some time figuring it out. It'll be obvious soon into the mission if you
screw up: just stop, and take it all apart again, it'll be less frustrating
in the long run and you'll have a good wheel to copy later on :-).
                                           ken
1778.43eh?NOVA::FISHERWell, there&#039;s still an Earth to come home to.Thu Jan 24 1991 05:3011
    re: .41: "each spoke had gone into a valve hole ..."
    
    Eh? Weird tube for that one, wot?
    
    And, assuming [!] that "spkoe hole" or "spoke nipple hole"
    was meant, It still sounds like the rim is only rotated 10�.
    
    Now, if you lace half the spokes (trailing?) and then the other half
    and "one step round" don't you just get an (N-1)X pattern?
    
    ed
1778.4440h - ta for repliesDOOZER::PENNEYRichard Penney 830 4114 @RKA 1/19Fri Jan 25 1991 06:5515
Ed and Robin, thanks for your replies on 40H front hub. I'll see if I can 
find a UK stockist of Specialised.  I'd already thought of getting a blank 
hub and drilling it myself, but doubt availability of such a hub.

Robin, what you say about 40H not being necessary sounds pretty convincing. 
One think I have noticed however, having taken up triking again after a gap
of many years, is that roads are in a much worse state than I remember -
and fast cornering on what's often a bumpy surface can really get the front 
pattering. Having said that I must get round to tensioning the existing
wheels (36H front, moderate quality rim), this being long overdue. I'll 
then see how it goes for a while (no option here, being beanless). 

Reckon making up some hollow drive shafts may be more interesting anyway...

Richard
1778.45How can I grind/file down spokes?RUTILE::STIMPSONEIC Ferney-VoltaireThu Feb 21 1991 07:3818
    Thanks for replies on where to put the first spoke. Now I have another
    problem..

    The wheels are built and trued to perfection (after Rod inspected them
    recently and "stressed the spokes" I had to start again but let that
    pass).

    Now the spoke-ends are protruding just that bit too much on the tube
    side of the rim and I need to grind the things down. How do I do this
    without a) investing in an expensive purpose-designed tool
            b) damaging the rims     ?

    I can't use a file since the spoke-ends rest in circular rebates and
    the tool would foul up on the (Mavic M3) rim.

    Any suggestions? I'm trying to keep to a schedule which means I am
    commuting on my bike to work from March 1 and I need finished wheels to
    do this....	   	    
1778.46SUSHI::KMACDONALDDrywall Poster Child for 1990Thu Feb 21 1991 09:1119
>    Now the spoke-ends are protruding just that bit too much on the tube
>    side of the rim and I need to grind the things down. How do I do this
>    without a) investing in an expensive purpose-designed tool
>            b) damaging the rims     ?

Might want to try a Dremel tool with a grinding bit; presuming you can fit
the bit into the space necessary. Your basic electric drill with similar bit
would probably work OK, too. If the spoke is sticking up AT ALL, you can use
a file, my preferred tool for this kinda thing. Using a BIG mill file seems
to work better than a small file (turn it so you're grinding with the EDGE,
not the face of the file). The weight of a big file makes it easier to control
and thus less potential rim damage.

In my experience, BTW, the spoke length gauges I've seen seem to come up with
spokes that are about 1-2 mm too long; I've had excellent luck using spokes
a bit shorter than the gauge said; when using the gauge length I've frequently
had to trim. This may have changed, as it's been quite a while since I 
looked at a gauge....
                                  ken
1778.47I hate it when that happens.NEMAIL::DELORIEAResurrect the DEC Bike ClubThu Feb 21 1991 15:0022
>    Now the spoke-ends are protruding just that bit too much on the tube
>    side of the rim and I need to grind the things down. How do I do this
>    without a) investing in an expensive purpose-designed tool
>            b) damaging the rims     ?
 
Are the spokes protruding from every hole or every fourth hole?

I built a fixed hub wheel this past winter and had every fourth spoke protruding
into the tube area. Of course this was a mistake I made on where to start my
second half of spokes.  

If it is every hole then the length of spoke is too long. It might be easier to
get new spokes and rebuild the wheel than trim the ends. 

You could take one spoke off and thread a nipple onto the spoke so that the end
of the spoke is sticking past the nipple. Then cut the end of the spoke with a
heavy duty wire cutter. Next file the burr off the end of the spoke. Then back
the nipple off the spoke to re-thread the end of the spoke. Because nipples are
usually a soft metal you might be better off using a steel nut that will thread
onto the spoke than a nipple. That is unless you can find a really hard nipple.

T 
1778.48I did it...CSCOA1::HOOD_RThu Jan 02 1992 20:0074
    
    
    Well, I took the plunge and built a wheel on my Deore LX (rear) hub
    over Christmas. Following instruction in the base note and in the 
    DEC (Jan?) issue of bicycling, I successfully laced,tensioned and 
    trued a rear wheel for the my Stumpjumper. It looks pretty good, 
    even if I do say so myself. :^)
    
    I laced the wheel in a three cross pattern. The rim I was using was a 
    "mirror image" of rims on my other wheels, so I started at the "up"
    eyelet on the rim  and laced all of the forward facing spokes on the 
    cassette/freewheel side of the hub. Then the rear facing spokes on the
    same side.  I then turned the wheel over and repeated. 
    I found that the most difficult part of lacing was deciding(realizing)
    which side of the valve hole to start on, and whether or not the first
    spoke should run to the inside or outside of the hub. Once decided, it 
    took about 1hr to lace the wheel and put 4 turns on each nipple. 
    I then did a good deal of tensioning all the way around until the
    spokes were a good bit  stiffer. Next, I put it on the bike and gave it
    a spin. I started the truing process by getting the really major
    side to side wobbles out of the wheel. Not having done this before, 
    I started by tightening the 4 or 5 spokes underneath peaks. Most of
    what I read said "tighten spokes opposite the peak" but didn't say how
    many. I found however, that tightening 3 spokes directly under the peak
    gave me better results. I would tighten one turn on each nipple at a
    time. When the wobbles were mostly out (less than a few millimeters), 
    I checked the dish. It was way to one side, so I pulled it over by 
    tightening all of the spokes on the side that I wanted to pull to. 
    (BTW, I used the "turn the wheel around" method  to check dish). 
    When the wheel was centered, I checked for roundness. I pulled down 
    the major peaks to round the wheel out. I then put in final truing...
    turning the spokes 1/4 turn until the side to side wobbles were less
    than 1-2 millimeters. I basically tightened, tightened ,tightened to 
    true the wheel until the spokes were really tight. Only then did I
    untighten spokes at the top and on the same side of the peak to 
    help the truing process. Once true, I did the
    release-the-twisted-spokes-thing and the stress-the-spokes-thing, and
    went back to truing. In all, it took about an hour for lacing and 
    2+ hours for truing. 
    
    I ended up with a wheel that has less than 1mm of side to side
    wobble, 1mm of out of roundness. This is truer than the wheels that
    I am currently riding on, so I consider it a success. It's not
    as good as my local bike shop can do (but they do it for a living, 
    right?). My observations:
    
    1) If I do this more than a few times, then I'll get a truing
       stand. It's hard to really zero in on a high/low spot with the 
       wheel in the bike...eyeballing against a brake block. As the 
       wheel gets truer and truer, it gets harder and harder to pick 
       out exactly which spoke to tighten/loosen next. Since the local bike
       shops charge $20-$30 to build a wheel (not including parts), 
       a truing stand would pay for itself in about 3-4 wheels 
       (or 8 "spot true"s).
    
    2) No one should be afraid to try this. I started off with a Nashbar
       ultralight ATB rim and some DT spokes (in case I destroyed the 
       rim on the first try). I wish now that I had built with a better
       rim, because it was far easier than I expected. My total investment
       was less than $30 (I already had the hub) and some time. 
     
    3) I can build a wheel good enough to ride on. I pounded this 
       wheel yesterday and it's as true as when I started. Only time
       will tell how good they really are. Once I see how they hold up, 
       I'll give a try at spot truing all of my wheels.
    
    4) Practice makes perfect. I'm sure I could do this in far less time now
       that I have done it.  
    
    To all those pondering building a wheel: just do it!
    
    doug
     
    
1778.49RUTILE::MACFADYENyes, meaning noFri Jan 10 1992 12:205
That's a very encouraging note. Your experience is like mine: building a
wheel is no big deal, and it's fun and builds confidence too.


Rod
1778.50and again...MIMS::HOOD_RThu Dec 02 1993 14:2615
    
    Here I am (almost two years later) and the other half of this wheelset
    tacoed (the front Ritchey rim bought it). I bought a Campy rim and 
    DT spokes for $30 and built the wheel last night. This time, I needed
    no instructions to build the wheel, and I cut over an hour off my
    previous wheel build time. Afterwords, I trued every wheel in the house
    and have convinced myself to not spend another $8 for a trueing. 
    
    This is a worthwhile endeavor for anyone who wants to remove the mystic
    of wheel trueing and building. It is a (cheap) $30 lesson that pays
    itself back in savings on wheel maintenence, and it leaves you with
    a wheel that you are proud of and have confidence in.
    
    doug