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1641.1 | :) | NOVA::FISHER | Dictionary is not. | Tue Jul 17 1990 12:08 | 5 |
| It was "dry" in Capron.
Like Bud "dry" or something.
ed
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1641.2 | Where is the Eastern RAAM qualification ride? | GSFSWS::JSMITH | Chromed Cannondale | Tue Jul 17 1990 12:37 | 7 |
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Sounds like congratulations are in order, but why is
it that two guys from the *east* coast have to go to
Illinois for the *mid west* quilifier? Isn't BMB a RAAM
quilifier also, or did you guys just do this one for fun?
_Jerry
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1641.3 | RAAM qualifiers compared | SHALOT::ELLIS | John Lee Ellis - assembly required | Tue Jul 17 1990 12:54 | 28 |
| Jerry,
Yes, of course we did it for fun! (Bicyclists are crazy that way.)
Ed drove over 1000 miles to get there; I drove "only" 880.
BMB is a randonneur event, and kind of a PBP qualifier, but it's not
a RAAM qualifier. The three RAAM qualifiers are this one, the one
out West (California), and the East (Johnstown NY to the Canadian
border and back). Ed's done Johnstown countless times, I believe.
For some people, once a year isn't enough, I guess. :-)
The Midwest is not very convenient to Southern dwellers such as myself.
I think Johnstown may be closer, but I'm not sure. People at Capron
mainly came from the midwest, but there were a couple from Texas, one
from Denver (for the 24-hour ride), and New Mexico (ditto?). Oh, also
one from Philadelphia.
People will travel far to do the Midwest one, though, because it's the
only one left that doesn't require a PSV (personal support vehicle)
accompanying you. It's a 28.8-mile circuit. The others are now
out-and-back or one large loop. That's why I chose this one to start,
so that I wouldn't have to impose upon someone for vehicle support.
Oh, and because it's supposed to be warm and dry. Ahhh...
-john
PS: Thanks, Jerry.
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1641.4 | Good stuff - congratulations! | ALLVAX::JROTH | It's a bush recording... | Tue Jul 17 1990 13:32 | 11 |
| I envy you guys for having the time to go do that... I've been
riding, but not hard enough or enough miles to be really satisfied
with my fiteness.
I'll do BMB again; I doubt if I'll keep up with the animals tho.
[this year you can ride as you like so there will be some hammerheads
trying to go nearly non-stop according to Charlie.]
Next year is PBP and I want to be really fit for that, so hopefully... :-)
- Jim
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1641.5 | | NOVA::FISHER | Dictionary is not. | Wed Jul 18 1990 06:51 | 10 |
| .4> "I doubt if I'll keep up with the animals tho."
Ahh, Jim, I've got news for you. :-)
Wasn't there also an Oregonian in Capron?
If I could fit it into my schedule, I'd do BAM, too.
ed
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1641.6 | Susan France | SHALOT::ELLIS | John Lee Ellis - assembly required | Wed Jul 18 1990 10:18 | 5 |
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Yes, hmmmm, there was an Oregonian - the second women's finisher
(and thus RAAM qualified). Sorry to overlook her. A very good rider.
-john
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1641.7 | Are qualifing times broken into *age* groups? | GSFSWS::JSMITH | Chromed Cannondale | Wed Jul 18 1990 10:54 | 8 |
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>> (and thus RAAM qualified). Sorry to overlook her. A very good rider.
Are you guys going to post a list of who qualified and from
what State.....bet a lot of readers would be interested.
_An_Interested_Reader :-)
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1641.9 | age not a big factor? | SHALOT::ELLIS | John Lee Ellis - assembly required | Wed Jul 18 1990 12:07 | 15 |
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RE: "Are qualifying times broken into age groups?"
No. The results noted one "age class winner" in the qualifier
(a 20-year-old). But the race that this qualifies you for has
traditionally seen contestants in the 20's all the way to their 50's,
and typically been won by people in their 30's or early 40's.
You will note (when I publish the results) that the three men
who qualified were aged 18, 34, and 43 - and their times weren't
that much different.
So I guess that's why they don't have age classifications as such.
-john
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1641.8 | RAAM qualifier results | SHALOT::ELLIS | John Lee Ellis - assembly required | Wed Jul 18 1990 13:37 | 43 |
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Here are results from the RAAM qualifier, courtesy of Ultra Week's
Macintosh. There are separate divisions for tandems, women, and
men. (Ed and I are down there somewhere...)
Time Rider(s) Name(s) Age Sex City/State
32:53 Breedlove & Charleville .. MM Des Moines IA 1st tandem
1. 40:00 Jennifer Viland 24 F St. Louis MO 1st qualified
2. 43:50 Susan France 34 F Newburg OR 2nd qualified
3. 45:02 Debra Breaud 33 F Burleson TX 3rd qualified
1. 31:41 Tom McKenna 18 M Capron IL 1st qualified
2. 33:58 Bill Wassler 36 M Cincinatti OH 2nd qualified
3. 35:27 Bob Cadwallader 43 M Sioux City IA 3rd qualified
4. 40:35 John Applewaite 40 M Omaha NE
5. 40:54 Gary Bowman 33 M Dayton OH
6. 41:48 Trent Herbst 20 M Kiel WI Age Gp.Winner
7. 42:00 Gerry Tatrai 26 M Dundas AUS
8. 42:33 Roger Mankus 33 M Burbank IL
9. 43:53 Jet Townley 40 M Boyce VA
10. 46:02 Jay Readey 18 M Columbus OH
11. 47:53 Paul Bacho 35 M Maple Hts. OH
12. 47:57 John Ellis 37 M Charlotte NC
13. 49:43 E. Thomas McFall 31 M Columbia MD
14. 50:12 Louis Branz 39 M Edwardsville IL
15. 50:20 Kevin Bryan 26 M Indianapolis IN
16. 50:21 Brian Thomas 31 M Muncie IN
17. 52:08 Ed Fisher 44 M Hudson NH
18. 42:28 Kenneth Pokora 41 M So. Milwaukee WI
19. 54:23 Ken DeLong 32 M Johnstown NY
20. 55:09 Carl Perpich M Grand Prairie TX
21. 55:50 "Pirate Bob" Friend 43 M Griffith IN
22. 57:?? John Zenter 34 M Glen Burnie MD Last Finisher
The above is from a starting field of 44 men and about 7 women,
I believe. (Some tend to drop out when they sense they won't
qualify, which is the sole reason they've come. This realization
may come fairly early in the event.)
-john
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1641.10 | No finer *whine* before it's time..... | GSFSWS::JSMITH | Chromed Cannondale | Wed Jul 18 1990 17:22 | 11 |
| John,
Thanks for the clarification.
>> You will note (when I publish the results) that the three men
>> who qualified were aged 18, 34, and 43 - and their times weren't
>> that much different.
Being in the over 40 (over the hill?) group it's interesting
to find a sport where the old guys can still keep up with the
young guys :-)
_Jerry
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1641.11 | technical correction | SHALOT::ELLIS | John Lee Ellis - assembly required | Wed Jul 18 1990 17:48 | 9 |
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RE: .-1
True, true. And, as you will see from the Results (now viewable
in .8), the ages should have been 18, 36, and 43.
-john
PS: Actual event description to follow soon...
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1641.12 | | NOVA::FISHER | Dictionary is not. | Thu Jul 19 1990 08:50 | 4 |
| Yeah Jerry, but the difference between some old guys is quite amazing,
even though I did finish.
ed
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1641.13 | Any other sleep deprevation desperados out there | GSFSWS::JSMITH | Chromed Cannondale | Thu Jul 19 1990 10:30 | 22 |
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Heck Ed,
Your time was nothing to be embarassed about
At your age that is :-)
All kidding aside you guys deserve a medal for your
accomplishments. Why don't you do a lunchtime seminar
around the RAAM qualifiers to see if you can spark more
interest in this area.....I'd like to start thinking about
something like that next year, but I don't like getting
burried on training rides with guys that are already doing
this stuff and wouldn't want to hold anyone back. But I
would be willing to train for the longer stuff (now that my
knee is recovering nicely) if there were more slowfolks
(~ 15 mph/pace) involved on a regular training basis.
As an aside you could title the seminar "RAAMing with Ed Fisher"
as a tribute to your last title "Racing with Ed Fisher" :-)
-Jerry
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1641.14 | exponentiation | SHALOT::ELLIS | John Lee Ellis - assembly required | Thu Jul 19 1990 11:41 | 18 |
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Both my preferred goal (as distinct from the 48-hour one) and Ed's
were noticeably shorter than what we ended up with. Most of our
times were lost, I believe, after midnight on Sunday morning - that is,
in the final stretch. It looked for a long time that I would finish
between 1am and 3am on Sunday, rather than just before 8am.
The weather and probably metabolic aspects added up to an exponential
"decay" of performance in the final half day. (Both Ed and myself were
consistently back up to an average 15mph pace in the final laps.)
BTW, Ed and I looked set for a photo finish for much of the race.
So, I'd agree with Jerry - not a shoddy performance. As an added
bonus, in the couple of hours separating Ed and myself, Ed got to
ride through solid, torrential rain (which I missed), which only
cleared up about a � hour after Ed finished. :-) Of course.
-john
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1641.15 | Sat's rain included hail, thunder and lightning. | NOVA::FISHER | Dictionary is not. | Thu Jul 19 1990 12:04 | 6 |
| I lost a couple of hours early Saturday. I got caught in a downpour
surrounded by lightning and had to change my clothes and dry up.
I think I had just changed my clothes so if my meteorological staff
had been awake I could have saved a change.
ed
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1641.16 | The big story | SHALOT::ELLIS | John Lee Ellis - assembly required | Thu Jul 19 1990 13:02 | 116 |
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[This is the account I started when I got back.]
Last Wednesday evening in Capron, Illinois was brilliantly clear,
the lush green of those endless cornfields set off by the setting sun.
Monday was also one of those brilliant, sunny days out on the prairie,
as I drove back through Indiana. In between, the three days of
Ultra Week 1990 were another story. :-)
I've just unpacked the car from the 880-mile trip back from the
RAAM Midwest Qualifier (part of Ultra Week). Here are some brief
remarks, before sleep deprivation takes hold again.
* * *
The RAAM Qualifier was 21 laps over a figure-8 loop, crossing
at the town center of Capron. These totalled 604 (604.8) miles.
The course is basically the same one they've used for several years,
but new to me, since I'd never done this event.
The weather? It started sunny, 50's, on Friday for the 8am start,
complete with 20mph NE winds. This soon turned into grey overcast,
highs in the 60's, 20-25mph NE winds (broken only by the approximately
three dozen trees on the route - ok, maybe there were more).
This was succeeded, after nightfall, by a series of spotty showers,
an average of 1 or 2 on each loop of the course. Frequently, the
riders could dispense with their halogen lighting set-ups, due to
the lightning from the southwest (kept at bay by the wind).
Saturday morning (pre-dawn) brought a change of pace: solid, unbroken
rain, temps in the 50's, winds increasing, straight northerly. It
got to be broken overcast later in the day, winds again relentless at
20mph NE. Evening: drizzle, succeeded by showers. By early Sunday
morning light, when I finished, it was not raining for the moment.
(Later riders were treated to torrential rain.)
One reason I chose this event instead of the RAAM East Qualifier
(Johnstown NY) was that it was supposed to be warm and dry, unlike
Johnstown. Hmmm...
The cyclists persevered quite well, though. As Sue Notorangelo
pointed out, while everyone complained about the weather slowing
them down, that didn't prevent the male winner, hometown boy
Tom McKenna, from setting a new course record (31:41).
What was the ride like?
o The route was not dead flat, as I had feared. It was
very slightly rolling everywhere except about 6 miles
flat-as-a-board at the south end, followed by one moderate
hill coming back into town.
o The road-surface included some very nice new asphalted
segments; a few miles of rough and broken pavement; and
quite a lot of smooth surface with bumps (ice heaves).
These bothered me the most. I'm glad I was riding tubulars,
which I'd in fact brought just for this purpose - comfort.
o There was virtually no traffic, day or night - and the
traffic was quite sedate. As is traditional, people who
live on the route had welcoming signs in their front yards,
and kids camped out and cheered us on, at least for the first
day or so, 'til they were worn out.
o I very rarely saw the front runners. You get really spread
out on a 28.8 mile loop. I was passed occasionally by the
tandem, sometimes with a fast single bike nearby.
o The 24-hour ride and the Boone Docks Double (200 mile) ride
started 6am and 9am on Saturday, and they used the same course.
As Ed had forecast, you'd be passed by these energetic, fresh
riders, and would wonder, "Are they in my event??? Arrrgh!"
Fortunately, you could infer the rider's event and sex from
the rider-number - so, as they passed, 95% of the time, you'd
see that they were the "young whippersnappers."
o One of said riders turned out to be a former RAAM contestant,
and I talked briefly with her. I was of course honored to be
talking to an actual RAAM person, but she was, too, when she
found out I was one of those NPC (National Points Challenge)
guys - she wondered if we only existed in black-and-white
newsletter photos. Well?
o Most (85% or so) of the riders had aero handlebar equipment.
Mine was most useful fighting the Big Wind (which is why I
had attached the clip-ons). About 30% had rear disk wheels or
wheelcovers. All this is typical of races today, I guess.
o I ate sandwiches and granola bars, plus Exceed (and coffee
at night), and stopped for a 10-minute warm meal (pasta or
rice) at lunch and dinner, which my support person thoughtfully
obtained from the tent.
o I slept 45 minutes at 4am Saturday, and about 1 hour at
midnight on Sunday. Rested about 3 hours Sunday morning
after my nap, because I'd fallen behind on nutrition,
and spent the time eating chicken soup.
o Most of the time I wore a short sleeve jersey *and* two
long-sleeved ones, the outer being wool; lycra tights at night.
o I *really* enjoyed the hot shower at the fire station after
the ride.
Some of my "splits" were:
01:34 - 28.8 miles (18.5 mph average on first lap - not extraordinary)
05:54 - 100.0 miles
12:14 - 200.0 miles
24:00 - 350.5 miles - new personal best (347 previous)
39:30 - 522.0 miles
47:57 - 604.8 miles
-john
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1641.17 | If Ed's riding this weekend I'm staying home :-) | GSFSWS::JSMITH | Chromed Cannondale | Thu Jul 19 1990 14:10 | 21 |
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John,
>> 24:00 - 350.5 miles - new personal best (347 previous)
Congratulations on the new PR. Does this mean that
next year your goin to ride to and from the race in Capron :-)
Do most ulta riders use tubulars? I'd think under most
circumstances you'd use clinchers since you can pack several
tubes for an unsupported ride and save the space and bulk associated
with carrying several tubulars. I imagine that even a tiny bit
of extra comfort is well received after that many miles though.
I didn't see Ultra Energy on your nutrition list. Isn't UE
now considered standard equipment for Ultra events like this
(Or is it just marketing hype that all of the RAAM riders used
it last year).
Gee...too bad about Ed getting caught in the rain...explains
why he won't even ride down to the grocery store without his
rain gear :-)
_Jerry
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1641.18 | tubulars | SHALOT::ELLIS | John Lee Ellis - assembly required | Thu Jul 19 1990 14:46 | 26 |
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Jerry,
Thanks... next year I may *fly* (then again, the drive up was ok).
There was one guy there, Ed Ward, who one year had biked from his
home in Kentucky, done the 600 (in less than stellar time, he said,
not being fresh), then biked back! This year he had only biked in
from Chicago (about 80 miles?). He was a curious fellow - friendly,
said he felt a bit singular in his area of Kentucky; few cyclists
there; wary attitude towards lycra, etc.
I don't know how many riders used tubulars. Patricia Jones, the RAAM
veteran did (in the 24-hour event). Ed Fisher did. His were aero rims
with bladed spokes, no less. I'll try to look up in the UMCA newsletters
to find out what people use on the actual RAAM.
For non-RAAM-like Ultra rides, yes, clinchers are preferred. BMB would
be an example; also the standard double-centuries, and the open doubles.
In RAAM and in RAAM East and West, you have a Personal Support Vehicle
ready to switch out your wheel if the tire punctures. At Capron there
was no close support, but I figured it was worth the risk. I did
carry one spare. The course did not demand the superb cornering
that tubulars offer, but the nicer ride really helped.
-john
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1641.19 | | NOVA::FISHER | Dictionary is not. | Thu Jul 19 1990 14:51 | 6 |
| I carried 2 spare tubies all the time. The Tuesday before the event
I did 3.5 laps on the course and got 2 flats on my clinchers.
I have now done 81 laps on that course, not much by crit standards.
ed
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1641.20 | Ultra Energy | SHALOT::ELLIS | John Lee Ellis - assembly required | Thu Jul 19 1990 14:55 | 17 |
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Oh, and about Ultra Energy. It was on sale there for $7 a packet,
I believe. I was thinking about using a high-carbo drink like the
carbo-replacement version of Exceed.
I think that type of drink can make a difference, yes. Apparently
you have to get used to it, though, and still you can have side
effects (bloating, etc.). The big plus is you can keep a constant
energy level, yet avoid the disruption of digestion. I figure that
would be most important at night, when it's all too easy to become
drowsy as it is.
Anyway, that's one more card up my sleeve - since I didn't use it,
I can claim that it could make that critical difference in performance
that will catapult me into the higher ranks. ;-)
-john
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