Conference noted::bicycle

    
    There was a note about this a year or two ago... anyway,
    in the new Charlotte engineering building (OPA), I have a
    cube for my bike.  (There are lots of spare cubes for expansion.)
    
    At one point, I even had a cube nameplate that said De Rosa.
    (There are two Rosa's in the facility. :-))
    
    -john

    	See notes 45.* and 322.*.
    
    	Pay special attention to 322.2 (not because I wrote it).
    	It will give you some idea of the strange thinging that
    	some people have about bikes.
    	
    	I just talked to the head of security here at LJ02 the other
    	day about this very question. He said that he has nothing in
    	writing, but that the facility manager would probably not be
    	too keen on the idea.
    
    	I'm not concerned about my old bike, but I'll be picking up
    	a new Trek 1400 in about a month. What am I going to do with
    	it?
    
    	Scott

Right now, the Franklin, Mass plant (FXO) has entered into 
a possible exercise in futility on this very topic. 

It seems that when one of the employees here pressed the point 
with a security guard, she was given lots and lots of "lip 
service" (for lack of a better term). When elevated to the next 
level there were similar arguments given as to why the world will 
cave in if one takes their bike into an office. This employee did 
a little research and indeed verified that the DEC policy and 
procedure book says nothing about the bike issue. Big Deal. She 
still can't bring the bike in.

When this topic was brought up on this file a year ago it seems to 
me that there are no plants mentioned that have a good storage plan. You 
are either SOL or you're lucky and the guards let you bring in 
your bike.

My take on all this is if there enough bikies in an individual 
facility, a deal should be possible. Has anyone tried to get a 
group together to attempt something like this? I may try this in 
FXO.

JC

    	Not at DEC, BUT Hewlett Packard in our office park here has
    full-blown bike lockers.  Not a rack, but the full box with a locking
    door.  It looks mighty good.  Our guards are pretty good about it,
    though.  
    	My theory on the attitude that you are experiencing is
    that it has nothing to do with bikes - it is more fundamental. 
    "If it is unusual (to me), it is deviant behavior which must be 
    stopped."   I picked this idea up in an undergraduate class about
    the psychology of police officers.  Admittedly it is a pretty 
    subjective conclusion, but I think there is some truth in it.  
    
    	If this is the root problem, it would change the way that you 
    attack it.  Rational conversation is largely irrelevant, but you
    could try to beat them at their own game.  Your manager can write 
    some kind of a blanket sign-in letter.  Supercede their "rule" with
    a higher one of your own.
    
    				Just a thought...

    I wonder if they (security) will be dumb-founded if you really follow
    the rules and sign it in (and out) of the personal property log every
    day.  You might want to memorize your serial number first as it would
    be inconvenient to flip it over to look at the bottom of the bottom
    bracket.

re .4:

>    "If it is unusual (to me), it is deviant behavior which must be 
>    stopped."   I picked this idea up in an undergraduate class about
>    the psychology of police officers.  Admittedly it is a pretty 
>    subjective conclusion, but I think there is some truth in it.  
 
i've developed the same opinion about those in "enforcement" roles.  i 
think there should be a test to become a police officer, the first question 
would be "do you want to be a policeman?".  if answered affirmatively then 
they are automatically rejected.
   

>    attack it.  Rational conversation is largely irrelevant, but you
>    could try to beat them at their own game.  Your manager can write 

i like it...a property pass with the mutiple transactions box checked.

-craig

Someone was walking around my office area earlier this afternoon checking for
various safety hazards.  I asked him if it would have been a problem if I had
a bicycle in my office.  He said that as long as it wasn't where it was going
to be tripped over he had no problem, though he would wonder how it got in the
building because he wasn't sure how security would feel about it.

	Between notes 45.*,322.*,914.*, and this one
	I have comprised a list of about 15 sites that
	allow bikes inside (offically or unoffically).
	And about 6 that have "covered" (either sheds or building
	overhangs) bike racks.

	Please add an entry here for your site and whether
	the bike rack is covered, or in the open, or better yet
	inside.

	I received a mail message from someone in plant safety and
	I started to laugh--If they allowed me the bike, it would
	esculate into mopeds...(sound familiar)


	I'll post the results next week
	Kevin

	>Please add an entry here for your site and whether
	>the bike rack is covered, or in the open, or better yet
	>inside.

UCS (Mt. View), UCO & UCT (both Palo Alto) allow bikes into the buildings, 
have bike racks outside, AND have bike racks in the parking garages (which 
require a Digital badge to enter).   

    UCF (Cupertino) Bikes inside OK,  Racks outside.  No covered racks
    or sheds.

    TRN (Torino, Italy) allows bikes inside.  It never was an issue. There
    are no racks outside, but I wouldn't dare leave a bike outside around
    here even if there were.
    
    MATT

I bring my Trek 1200 into PKO3 every day thru a key card entrance and leave
it underneath a stairwell.  The entrance has a camera; can't be much of a
secret.

	We just got the following memo distributed re bikes in the 
	buildings.  Someone must have asked!  

	chris

================================================================================

+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
| d | i | g | i | t | a | l |   I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+

TO: DISTRIBUTION

  					 DATE:   30 APRIL 1990
                                         FROM:   JOHN MASTROIANNI
                                         DEPT:   TAYLOR STREET FACILITIES
                                       LOC/MS:   TAY2-2/A10
                                        EMAIL:   DELNI::MASTROIANNI
                                          DTN:   227-3578     


Subject: BICYCLES

Please note, there will be no bikes allowed in the buildings. There are
bike racks located at the main entrances of TAY1 & TAY2. Please use them.

Any questions please call me. Thank you for your cooperation.

 
                                                John Mastroianni
                                                Facilities Supervisor



                         

We were just sent a memo with suspiciously similar wording.  Sounds like
the facilities managers have come up with a party line on this issue.
Perhaps there is a parallel discussion to this one in some FACILITIES
Notes file (but with the opposite point of view).

Regards,
Dave Buffo

    Bicycles are permitted in both LTN sites.  There are also outdoor
    bike racks at both facilities.
    
    Martin Griesmer

    If I had my way, there would be *legislation* requiring ENCLOSED,
    DRY, and SAFE bike storage at the workplace.

    Do you think that wheelchairs or handicapped access would be
    commonplace if plant operations people had their way?  Or that
    smokers would be required to use a smoking lounge without
    legal force?

    We just have to do some lobbying, like all the other special interest
    groups.

    - Jim

    re:
>        <<< Note 1480.16 by ALLVAX::JROTH "It's a bush recording..." >>>
>
>    If I had my way, there would be *legislation* requiring ENCLOSED,
>    DRY, and SAFE bike storage at the workplace.
 
    ...while we're at it, why don't we fight for indoor motorcycle and
    car storage, too. After all, acid rain can really 'do a number' on a 
    paint job. And vandalism. And careless drivers. Hmm, maybe I'll drive
    my car into the lobby Monday...

   re:
                       <<< Note 1480.17 by TOTH::POWIS >>>

    I see by your reply you work for plant operations,

    - Jim

>    ...while we're at it, why don't we fight for indoor motorcycle and
>    car storage, too. After all, acid rain can really 'do a number' on a 
>    paint job. And vandalism. And careless drivers. Hmm, maybe I'll drive
>    my car into the lobby Monday...

    Note that no one has asked to park bikes in the lobby.


    If I could carry my car up the stairs and leave it in the
    corner of my office, then facilities wouldn't complain.

                            (This is known to logicians as a vacuous proof)


    -Jeff Bell

    	Disagreements take on a more belligerent tone than people intend
    when they are typed into computers.  Remember the "state" of New
    England?  

    a clarification:
    
    	Actually, I don't work for facilities. I'm an engineer. I'm also
    a bicyclist; however, I don't ride to work, as the trip from
    Londonderry to Andover would take me through the potholed and glass
    strewn streets of Lowell or Lawrence, depending on the route I chose.
    
    I guess I should have put some :-) in my reply this morning; I was 
    being sarcastic. If I rode to work, I'd probably leave my bike in
    the bike rack outside as there's no extra space in my cubicle. 
    Of course, my bike was only $280 when I bought it 8 years ago; not
    like some of the >$1K models that some of you probably ride. 
    
    As far as the reply that said that bicycles & wheelchairs arent't 
    motor vehicles, what's your point? I would guess that 99.9% of the
    people who come to work in wheelchairs don't have any choice. I've
    yet to meet anyone who's "confined" to a bicycle.
    
    I do agree with some of the points made in this topic, though. There
    are places where bike racks are either non-existent or "hidden" where
    it would be very easy to steal/vandalize a bike. I also think the
    "fire hazard" excuse for not letting bikes into the building is 
    rediculous. 
    
    
    Steve_who_is_glad_it's_Friday...

    If it's not too late to add another entry...
    
    I work in Andover, DAS, and have been commuting since I started
    here, 1 1/2 years ago.  There is a bike rack, uncovered, and I had
    to specially request that.  I tried getting permission to bring
    it inside, but just got frustrated by all the negative replies.
    
    I would love to see some legislation insuring dry bicycle parking,
    or at least a more positive attitude in DEC toward bike commuters.
    I would also be more than willing to help, coordinate, or take part in
    any organized effort promoting the cause.
    
    -Robin 

NQO/DDD Facilities in Nashua:

I went to Facilities the other day to see if I could bring my bike into my
office, because I just moved from NQO to DDD and I was informed that the
Plant policy states, no two rubber wheeled vehicles will be allowed into the
building under any circomstances.

So, my bicycle must sit in front of the building in this really cheezy bike
rack.  This really upsets me because it IS a brand new Fuji.


	Just another dissatisfied customer...


		Steven Santinelli

    	Yeah, and right down the road, at ZK, it appears that
    	bikes are allowed in the building.
    
    	Steve,
    
    	Regardless of what they told you, Digital does not have
    	a written policy.
    
    	Scott

    re: .24:
    
    "Yeah, and right down the road, at ZK, it appears that
bikes are allowed in the building."
    
    What gave anyone that impression?
    
    ed

    	Ed,
    
    	Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't I see 3 or 4 bikes in
    	the Galileo CR on May 23. I mean, they were in the building.
    
    	I just assumed that, because they were in the building, there
    	was no one keeping them out in other circumstances.
    
    	Well, what the heck, it's an imperfect world. Some people
    	are more imperfect than others.
    
    	Point still remains, whether we're talking about ZK or some
    	other facility, there is no policy about bikes in the building.
    
    	If Joe Schmoe Facilities Manages says "No," whaddaya goin' ta
    	do, try to bring it in and get into a big fight?
    
    	Scott

    The conference room gig was a "special activity."  The "official" ZKO
    policy (as I've stated elsewhere in this nf) is that bikes are a hazard
    (fire?) and must be kept out.
    
    ed

    	Course, here in LJ02, special activity or not, it would
    	take an act of God, or KO, to get a bike in the building.
    
    	Scott

    	Severl years ago I took my bike to work on *Sunday* and tried
    to bring it into the lobby of MKO2 because it started to rain.
    The security guard wouldn't even let me bring it into the entry
    way, citing the fire law (there must have been all of three
    people in the building that day).
    
    	Here in GSF (Hudson, N.H.) I even obtained a note from my
    doctor, indicating that because I was having knee pains, I
    could not run at lunch time and hence needed to be able to
    keep my bike at work (any storage space would have been
    fine) but even Health Services would not support me...they
    came back with a recommended *walking* program.  
    
    	After my knee surgery is fully recovered, I'm just going 
    to start subscribing to the *running* notes and forget about 
    bicycling to, from or while at work until the powers to be loosen 
    up the regs.
    
    								_Jerry
    
    Has anyone ever tried those new roller-blades?  That might be
    an interesting lunch time work out and I doubt that anyone
    in security would object to having skates in your cube ;-)
    
    

    A friend brings his bike into a card reader entrance in the Mill.
    Security knew he was coming in with from the video, but couldn't find
    out where it was since he's in an obscure part of building 5.  He keeps
    it in an empty office and they finally found it and who owned it.
    My friend told the security guard that he's going to bring it in and
    that they should basically go make love to themselves.  Security tried
    to contact his boss (Jesse Lipcon) and Jesse's secretary told the
    security manager that Jesse can't be concerned with such trivial matters.
    That was a while ago and nothing has came of it since.  Moral: security
    is only as powerful as your boss (or a good secretary).  _KB 

Rollerblades are great fun, good cross-training for cycling and x-c ski skating, 
which all use the same muscles.  Good total body training when used with LONG 
ski poles.  Hard work going up hills, with or without poles.  Fast, scary and 
potentially dangerous going down hill.

I'd recommend them, and may be going back to using them to put a little variety 
into my training.

Kevin

    re .23
    
    	I'd ask them to show you the policy.  This was real effective when
    I wanted to keep a bike at RLO (alas, no longer a DEC site...).

    	I already tried that. The facilities manager said:
    
    	"There's no written policy. NO BIKES IN THE BUILDING!"
    
    	As I said before, I could just bring it in anyway and let
    	the chips fall where they may. I'm not sure I want to
    	start a confrontation. I might do or say something I'd
    	live to regret.
    
    	Scott

re .29:

>    Has anyone ever tried those new roller-blades?  That might be
>    an interesting lunch time work out and I doubt that anyone
>    in security would object to having skates in your cube ;-)

quoted from a previous reply:

>Plant policy states, no two rubber wheeled vehicles will be allowed into the
>building under any circomstances.

roller blades have wheels, the wheels are similar to rubber, and they come 
in pairs hence there must be two of them.  if i try to think like a 
security type (you have to stretch) i'd say you have to leave them outside
under any circumstances.  but you're welcome to lock them to the bike rack.

craig

    But roller blades have more than two wheels...
    
    ed

>roller blades have wheels, the wheels are similar to rubber, and they come 
>in pairs hence there must be two of them.  if i try to think like a 
>security type (you have to stretch) i'd say you have to leave them outside
>under any circumstances.  but you're welcome to lock them to the bike rack.
    	
    	  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)
    
    	That's great.  I can see me wheeling into the parking lot
    and pulling up to the bike rack in front of the main entrance,
    hanging up my skates as I enter the building wearing sandals...
    oh darn...I think you need an engineering job code to wear 
    sandals :-)
    						_Jerry

    But Jerry, you can't bring in the roller blades because they are
    each "wheeled vehicles" and because they come in pairs they are
    "two 'wheeled vehicles'"
    
    ed

    Remember all the hoopla about Earth Day a month or two ago.

    Would it be worth getting in touch with the people who sent
    out the P.R. junkmail?  Point out the contradictory approach
    of spending money to give everyone an extra wastepaper basket,
    yet not allowing them to park a bike in the corner for free.

    -Jeff Bell

    P.S. Bikes are allowed in my building, so I can't really do
    the complaining, but I would like to other riders on the way in.

    BTW....the original reply I received to my request (before the
    fire laws ruling) was that if they let me bring my bike in, before
    you know it motorcycle riders would also want to bring their's in
    also.  So you see, there really is a *logical* explanition :-)
    
    Sorry, but your not going to get anywhere with these people until
    you get a V.P. on your side.  Too bad the picture of Ken in a
    Canoe wasn't taken with him on a bike...that would have been all
    the difference in the world...like the Geo. Bush picture in
    Bicycling...one picture is worth a thousand petitions.  I'm getting
    a motorcycle.
    
    >But Jerry, you can't bring in the roller blades because they are
    >each "wheeled vehicles" and because they come in pairs they are
    >"two 'wheeled vehicles'"
    
    Darn...wonder if the GSW will give me mileage credit for roller miles:-)
    
    							_Jerry

    Jerry,
    
    You want mileage credit, you gotta put pedals on those little wheels.
    
    				Very truly yours,
    
    				The Grinch
    
    				President, GSW

Actually, UMCA will verify and report records set on rollers... thus you could 
do a state end-to-end, or city-to-city "roll record attempt" and have a UMCA 
official along and if you break the record (or set one when none exist) you 
could get it published.  Don't know if there are any overall requirements, like 
minimum avg speed, etc.

Kevin

    
    	Ed...I have my youngest son looking for small leggo 
    bicycle parts that I will attach to the wheels of the
    blades on my solo attempt at crossing the Kangamangus (sp.)
    over the Mt. Washington weekend.
    
    	Kevin...will Mt. Washington get me into the UMCA book
    for longest down hill by an idiot on blades :-)
    
    						_Jerry
    P.S.
    	I checked with security and they said I could bring my
    blades in.......as long as I have a personal property pass
    signed by my manager each time I take them out of the building
    :-) :-) :-)

Jerry,

re: will Mt. Washington get me into the UMCA book
    for longest down hill by an idiot on blades :-)
    
No.  It will be one of the shortest downhills by an idiot on blades... unless 
you count the freefall off the cliff on one of those tight turns near the top.
But some nice moves before you hit bottom could get you some style points!

:^) 

This note was started as a site survey.  I'm in the process of convincing
our facilities folks that bikes in offices are OK, which has been an
accepted policy for the 2.5 years of the existence of DSG.  Anyway, here
is a summary to date.  This is information from first-hand knowledge and notes
45, 322, 914, and 1480.

Oh yes.  DSG (Westford, MA) has just changed the official policy from "bikes
allowed in office" to "use the bike racks".  The bike racks are unsheltered,
unsecure and wheel-bender variety (I can't get my bike with racks/lights in
them).

Please continue to reply to this note for information about your site. 
Thanks!
                       --tom

MRO1	Marlborough,MA		Sheltered/workday-secure
MRO4	Marlborough,MA		In office
LMO1	Marlborough,MA		In office (1986)
YWO	Westborough,MA		In office (1987)
ACO	Acton,MA		Sheltered/workday-secure
DAS	Andover,MA		Unsheltered
MLO	Maynard,MA		Sheltered/workday-secure, in office (unofficial)
PKO3	Maynard,MA		Inside/secure
MSO1	Maynard,MA		In office (1988)
LTN	Littleton,MA		In office
TAY	Littleton,MA		Unsheltered
LJO	Littleton,MA		Unsheltered
DSG	Westford,MA		Unsheltered, in office (unofficial)
ZKO1	Nashua,NH		Sheltered
ZKO3	Nashua,NH		Unsheltered
UCS	Mountain View,CA	In office
WRL	Palo Alto,CA		In office
UCO	Palo Alto,CA		In office
UCT	Palo Alto,CA		In office
UCF	Cupertino,CA		In office
OPA	Charolotte,NC		In office (1988)
TRN	Torino,Italy		Inside/secure
REO	Reading,England		Sheltered

    Well, since you wanted sites...
    
    Here in Minneapolis (MPO) there are no racks of any kind that I know
    of...  Certainly none that are clean, safe, covered, locked, or
    whatever...  Fortunately, we don't HAVE any kind of security (other
    than intrusive facilities people and they don't ever enter my  cube...
    :^) )  I have occasionally seen a bike chained to the fence that
    surrounds the air conditioning fans in the open, underground garage
    accessible by anyone in the twin cities, but its far away from any
    watchful eyes and I sure wouldn't leave anything important there.
    
    If I ever need to I'll bring the bike in the back door and park it in
    my cube.  
    
    Dave

     The Westminster facility allows bikes inside... There is also a
    rack outside. I don't know what the actual policy is, however...
    
       Chip

    
    The Charlotte engineering building (OPA) still allows bikes inside.
    
    -john

    NQO and DDD (Nashua) do not allow bikes inside. Both have unprotected
    racks outside. I brought a bike to DDD last year many times thru a
    card key door and was never bothered, however.
    
    John

>     The Westminster facility allows bikes inside... There is also a
>    rack outside. I don't know what the actual policy is, however...

I guess that we're interested in the de facto policy.  There is likely
to be a difference between the official policy, and what really happens.

Bike access can be categorized thusly:

    Official administrative approval
    Front door - you can roll it past the guard's desk
    Back door - no one chases you if you use the key-card
    No access - you have to use the bike rack.

    Bike rack access can further be ranked according to
    security and shelteredness of the location.

Do all the cyclists agree that the best possible circumstance is
being able to park it in your office?

-Jeff Bell

    
    
    	I didn't see Hudson on the list.  HLO2 has a rack which is pretty
    	much covered and is just outide the main entrace near the security
    	desk.  The racks were moved there within the last year due to the
    	adoption of a no bicycle admittance security rule.  It isn't too
        bad, but I sure would like to be able to bring my bike in with me.
    	I guess that they are afraid that I would not be able to get out of 
    	my office if there was a fire or something.
    
    	Mart
    

    
    RE: .-2
    
    I agree that putting it inside is a good idea.  Mine gets its
    own (spare) cube.  It looks very content there.  This is better
    than if it were in my cube, where it might be jostled by participants
    at a too lively whiteboard design debate.  :-)
    
    -john

    I love the "they're a fire hazard" excuse. I don't know about your
    facility, but I've seen some with aisles clogged with enough LN03's
    and the like to make a hasty exit a potential serious problem. Who
    the heck is going to leave their bike in the aisle? What a crock.
    
    John

    No bikes in WFO (Westfield Ma.)
    
    unsheltered unwatched unsafe unpleseant uncaring un.......
    
    If we let you bring in your $2000 bicycle than people will want to
    bring in thier motercycles ...  Fire hazard etc......
    
    John

    ACI (northwestern Chicago suburbs) has an unprotected bike rack.  Also, 
    back door access.  In this facility, I really don't think bikes in
    cubes would be a wonderful idea unless you work in the basement or on the
    first floor.  I'm not sure how I feel about bikes on elevators where
    other people can accidently rub their slacks, skirts, etc. on the
    chain...  Our group has a storage room in the basement, though, which
    has keycard access.

    Our Beijing office has a no-bike policy but they have a few places
    around to put your bike ;-)
    
    Eric

Well, several folks were bringing bikes into CXN for a while, but security got 
wind of it and requested we use the outside, unsheltered rack.  Reasons
were something like fire hazard and dirt getting on the nice carpeting.

Some folks may still be using 'back-door' access ;-)  Mine is usually outside.
	Greg
	

    The MKO thought police are very nasty about it: Outside racks only.
    I politely attempted to get permission, a property pass, or an OK
    to bring it in the back door.  My boss brought it up with them but
    they told him: "If we catch him once, we'll warn him, If we catch
    him twice, we'll try to have him fired"!  (I havn't been caught
    yet, but I also don't seem to ride in as often as I would like,
    paranoia strikes deep!).   Incidently, they use both the Fire safety 
    and motorcycle arguments.
    
    I am curious as to where this is going.  Each site has historically
    had it's own policy.  There is no corporate policy, and, while I
    would like to think that this company is progressive enough to make
    an open policy, I'm afraid that some of those sun-tanned-necked
    security fellows would make the policy restrictive for EVERYONE if
    they could get their way.  I certainly don't want to blow if for
    those sites which are guarded by real people.  If you can't get past
    the security, personal should help (but usually don't).  An option
    of providing save outside storage will cost money, and those
    sun-tanned-neck fellows really have something better to spend our
    hard-earned revenues on (like new Jeeps and LED display bulletin
    boards and thank heavens they don't allow them to carry guns!).
    
    I would be really interested in any tactics which work, and would
    be willing to take them on again here in MKO - if there is a 
    clear strategy with a chance of winning.  Otherwise, I'll just take
    my chances.... (I wonder if you get the severence package when they
    send you out the door that way???....)
    
    mark

     Gee, you've got some real professional security people up there in
    MKO, eh?
    
     Do these guys walk around with Colt Peacemakers strapped to their
    hips or what??!!!!
    
     Chip_who'd_meet_anyone_of_them_at_high_noon_in_the_parking_lot
    
                    (sun to my back of course)

I don't know about MKO, but here in SHR most of the security people are
rent-a-cops.  They only thing that they know is what's in "the book", logic
is something that is never used.

Rich

    
    A couple of us in NIO (Salem, N.H.) who wanted to commute part time,
    met with the facilities manager to discuss storage, security etc.
    She gave us the OK to use our offices and agreed to work with us on
    a permanent solution, as in locking storage cubes for outside.
    
    We are currently trying to size the potential participants so we can
    make a proposal.  Our experience has been very favorable so far and
    our facilities folks here quite understanding and cooperative.
    
    If any of you noters are in NIO, please send mail to SALEM::RYAN_J or
    SALEM::BLAINE and indicate your desire to commute by bicycle if
    adequate storage/security is made avaliable.
    
    Jim
    

    This is  slightly off the topic, but I thought it would be useful.
    There  was just a request for info on suppliers of bike lockers on
    the usenet, and this is the summary of responses.

    So, if  you  think  you  can get money to buy lockers, this should
    come  in  handy.  The  prices  listed  range from $250 to $500 per
    bicycle.

--David

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (David
H. Wolfskill) writes:


Many thanks to all who mailed or posted an interest in my quest for
information regarding bike locker vendors; I apologize for the delay in
posting this summary.

My colleague -- thanks to some of that information -- was able to locate
a sufficiently nearby vendor... one of the requirements of which I had
not been aware was that the vendor must be fairly close (to Orange
County, CA) -- to minimize shipping charges.  (I apologize for failing
to determine this issue before posting, and hope that some of the
information about other vendors may be of value to others.)

I figured it would be more useful for me to organize the information,
so I have done so -- at the expense of making an attempt to give credit
for the sources at the point the information is quoted.  (I include a
list of sources at the end of the article.)

First, I received a few pointers to one Ellen Fletcher, such as:

>For a comprehensive treatment of the bicycle parking subject,
>along with a list of vendors & prices, contact Ellen Fletcher
>at [email protected] (put "ATTN ELLEN" in your
>"To" line.

[I requested clarification regarding addressing a note to Ms. Fletcher,
but have yet to receive it.]

>... Ellen Fletcher, 777-108 San Antonio Road, Palo Alto, CA
>94303-4826, 415-495-8943.

Fortunately, someone sent a list of products & manufacturers,
apparently originally compiled by Ms. Fletcher.  I have taken the
liberty of using that list as a "base document" and have augmented it
with other information I received; entries are alphabetically by
munufacturer's name, since I don't always have product names:

(Manufacturer, {Product Name(s)}, Address, Contact Person, Phone, FAX
	[comments])

American Bicycle Security Co., {BIKE SAFE}, PO Box 7359 Ventura, CA
	93006, Thomas E. Volk, 805-933-3688 & 800-BIKESAF, 805-933-1865.

Bike Lockers Company, {BikeLokr}, PO Box 445 W. Sacramento, CA 95691,,
	916-372-6620, 916-372-3616 [approx. $300/locker, small
	quantities].

Bike-Lokr Mfg. Co., {?}, PO Box 123, Joplin, MO 64802, Jim Snyder,
	417-673-1960/800-462-4049, 417-673-3642 [approx $450/locker,
	which holds 2 bikes; seem to be the lockers used by the
	Washington, DC Metro system]

Bike Security Racks Co., {?}, PO Box 371, Cambridge, MA 02140,,
	617-547-5755, -

Bike Stable Co., Inc., {?}, PO 1402, South Bend, Indiana 46624,,
	219-233-7060, -

Cycle Safe Inc., {Cycle Safe}, 31522 Wingate S.E. Kentwood, MI 49512,
	Richard Hartger, 616-949-0598, 616-698-6087.

Cycle-Safe Inc., {Cycle Safe}, 143 Ionai Ave NW, Grand Rapids, Michigan
	49503,, 616-459-4556, - [I don't know which Cycle Safe entry is
	correct.  I received a comment that "Cycle Safe's lockers are
	the nicest looking, but their minimum order is 100 lockers (you
	should call) since that are sort-of out of business."]

David O'Keefe Company, {Super Secure Bike Stor}, P.O. Box 4457, Alamo,
	CA 94507, Thomas & David O'Keefe, 415-637-4440, 415-837-6234.

General Machine company, {Bicycle Locker}, PO Box 405 Vacaville, CA 95696,
	Vitto Accardi, 707-446-2761, -

J.G.Wilson Corp, {Park'n'Lock Bike Garage}, PO Box 599, Norfolk, VA
	23501-0599, J.L.Bevan, 804-545-8341, 804-543-3249.

Sunshine U-LOK Corp., {Secura Bike Locker}, 31316 Via Colinas Suite 102,
	Westlake Village, CA 91362, Doug Devine, 818-707-0110.
	[Specific information near the end of the article -- dhw.]

Turtle Storage Ltd., {?}, P. O. Box 7359, Ventura, CA 93006,,, -


Then -- for those for whom the above is insufficient -- there is a list
of leads & indirect information (some of which are a bit unusual) -- and
the specific information about the Sunshine U-LOK "Secura Bike Locker"
(which is the only one my colleague investigated -- because of the
previously unspecified requirements mentioned at the beginning of this
article):

>BTW, the person I mentioned (Ellen Fletcher I think) published a pamphlet
>on the subject of bicycle parking.  It is worth buying (about $4).

>I have a couple of more (I'm getting them out of the Cyclist's Yellow
>Pages put out by BikeCentennial).

>Also, there is The Bicycle Parking Foundation, POB 7342,
>Philadelphia, PA, 19101 (215)222-1253.

>A Dallas zoning advisory committee discussed such lockers yesterday.
>Apparently they have a list of some dozen commercially available
>lockers, at costs from $500 to 900 (or so I hazily remember.)

>Years ago (late 1970s) My father had a subscription to _Planning_ magazine,
>a slick publication for city planners that had ads for all the latest trendy
>landscaping and building hardware supplies. Among the ads were some for
>bike lockers. That is all the info I have, but I hope it helps. I personally
>haven't seen bike lockers installed since the DC Metro ones appeared
>around 1978.

>	Um, no source, but I have seen these at a lot of schools, too --
>University of Arizona and Ventura Community College come to mind.

>I don't know who makes them, but if you happen to be at Fashion Island
>in Newport Beach [CA], there are some lockers in the lower level of the
>parking structure on the west side of Fashion Island near the
>Edwards Cinemas.  There are two sets of Edwards there - you want the
>ones in Fashion Island, near all the stores.

>I have seen the lockers in Palo Alto.  I think they were at the CalTrain
>station.  Perhaps that would help.

>Connie Vanentini (i think that's her name) at CalTrain
>(bay area train system) is responsible for the bike lockers
>up here.  the last time i spoke with her she told me that she would be
>buying more lockers for the various stations, at approx.$1000 apiece
>(one locker holds two bicycles)  other folks have confirmed the figure-
>her phone number is (415) 557-9156 for her machine, and she will call
>back
>otherwise (415) 557-8905 rings at her desk, but she always gets mad at
>me when i call her there.

>TRW at Redondo Beach [CA] has some bike lockers.  It looks to me like they
>are to be shared since they are about 3 feet wide, or so.  Anyway, there
>is a decal on the side which says [ref. to "Turtle Storage"]
>I don't have any other details, but you might be able to get more information
>from Commuter Services here at TRW, 213-813-4431.  There was no phone
>number on the decal.

>Transportation Alternatives is a mainly bicycling non-profit in New York
>City.  They have volunteers who will design bicycle storage areas, so
>they should have lots of information.  212 941-4600

>I have seen ads from them [Bike Lokr] in Bicycle USA (publication of
>the League of American Wheelmen) recently.

>I can't give a direct pointer, but I would start by calling the
>League of American Wheelmen (I don't have their number handy, but
>they're in the Maryland suburbs of DC) or your local bicycle advocacy
>group (Transportation Alternatives in New York  City might also be
>able to help.)

>The latest issue of the LAW newsletter had an ad for some of these
>from a company based in Maryland.  You can try calling or writing the
>League; their address is:

>League of American Wheelmen
>6707 Whitestone Road, Suite 209
>Baltimore, MD  21207

>League of American Wheelmen could probably provide leads.  Their number
>is 301 944 3399


Then there was this intriguing report:

>I recently read an article in a local (San Diego) biking mag that
>CalTrans would supply, and install, bike boxes at places of business.
>The business then could use the box for awhile, then either buy it,
>or CalTrans would deinstall it.  So, check with your local CalTrans
>office to see if they have a similar deal, and get the actual details.

[My colleague did, in fact, follow up on this.  The local (Orange
County) CalTrans folks didn't know anything about this.  Your mileage
may vary -- but I would be skeptical.]


...and this bit of advice:

>Make sure you place your bike lockers on a concrete pad.  The doors
>work best that way.


Naturally, there was considerable interest expressed overall -- so
those of you who may be interested in pursuing having your employers
obtain bike lockers may take heart in this -- you are *not* alone! --
and this note rather speaks for itself:

>I'm interested, partly because I was wondering if there was a
>business opportunity in what you describe.


Penultimately, here is the specific information on the Sunshine U-LOK
"Secura Bike Locker":

Each "unit" is a rectangular parallelpiped, measuring 74" x 45" x
39.25" (LxHxW), with a (slightly offset) diagonal "divider panel" so it
will hold 2 bikes -- and looks (when viewed from the top) like:

    _____________.__  _
   |            /   | ^
   |           /    | |
   |          /     | |
   |         /      | |       [No complaints about lack of artistry
   |        /       | |       in the drawing, OK?  Most of you wouldn't
   |       /        | 74"     *believe* what I'm using to do this...
   |      /         | |       I'll give you a hint -- when have you
   |     /          | |       you ever seen an IBM 3278-5 *scroll*
   |    /           | |       (other than when it's being used as a
   |   /            | v       "console")? dhw]
   |__._____________| _

   |  |<-- 31.25"-->|
  >|  |<-- 8"

Each unit weighs about 300 lbs.; construction is of 18 gauge galvanized
sheet metal; the door (the 31.25" construct in the above diagram) is 16
gauge.  The spec sheet claims that the door and end panels are
reinforced; the door has an anti-prying flange and a continuous hinge.
There is a flange on the bottom of the end and divider panels for
attachment to a concrete surface.

Apparently the "lockers are shipped in a knocked-down (KD) condition, to
be assembled on sight [sic] and painted as desired once assembly is
completed."

Continuing to quote, "Rugged dead bolt lock is key operated.  A padlock
hasp configuration is available."

Apparently individual units ("locker sections") "are connected with
sturdy nut & bolt hardware provided with each shipment."

The quoted price is $250 - $300 per bike (approx.); the price we are
paying seems to be $590.00 (+ $150.00 shipping)/unit.

I apologize for not having obtained comparable information for other
vendor's products... but it would make the article even longer....


Finally, I received information or expressions of interest from each of
the following -- thank you, one and all!

[email protected]		Alex Matthews
[email protected]			Bill Michel
[email protected]		Bruno Bittner
[email protected]	Barry Johnson
[email protected]			Dan Romanchik
[email protected]	John DeGood
[email protected]		Dan Kerns
[email protected]		Ed Ravin
[email protected]	Ron Hidinger [? -- dhw]
[email protected]	Mike Iglesias
[email protected]		John Unruh
[email protected]		Jo Friedman
[email protected]			Karen des Jardins
[email protected]		Chris Kent
[email protected]		Ron Larson
[email protected]			Linda Lee
[email protected]		Steve Lusky
[email protected]		David Olson [? -- dhw]
[email protected]		Peter [surname unknown -- dhw]
[email protected]		Maurice Suhre
[email protected]		Theodore Rodriguez-Bell
[email protected]	David Wittenberg
[email protected]	Gordon Zaft

Many, many thanks to each of you,
david
-- 
David H. Wolfskill
uucp: ...{spsd,zardoz,felix}!dhw68k!david	InterNet: [email protected]
CompuServe: >internet:[email protected]

Here's some info from Ellen Fletcher.  She's an elected member of
the Palo Alto (California) city council and helped make Palo Alto
one of the top cities on *Bicycling* magazine's best bicycling
cities list.  The places mentioned are mostly in Palo Alto.  CalTrain
and BART are local mass transit systems.

Ken

================================================================

Date: Mon, 13 May 91 21:44:14 PDT
From: [email protected]
To: bikecommute%[email protected]
Subject: bike lockers

For those interested in different bike locker types.

The cheapest, and worst, are called BikeLokr.  Those are the ones
at BART (about to be replaced), most Park&Ride lots and Caltrain
stations. TheyUre easily vandalized, and the maintenance service
from the manufacturer is almost non-existent.

The best, and probably the most expensive are called Super Secure
Bike Stor, David O'keefe Company, P.O.  Box 4457, Alamo, CA
94507, phone 4l5/637-4440, FAX 495/837-6234. Company owned by
David and Thomas O'Keefe. The lockers are a sturdy stainless
steel, are visually attractive and likely to remains so over
time. Caltrans is now buying these exclusively for the Caltrain
stations. (Incidentaly, anyone wanting to rent a locker at a
Caltrain station can call Connie Valentini at Caltrans,
4l5/557-8905.)

I know of two installations where they can be seen, both in Palo
Alto. One at the Regis McKenna office building at NE the corner
of Embarcadero Road and Geng Road, the other at Sun Microsystems,
Fabian Way near Charleston Road. It's the high-rise building and
the lockers are in the rear of the building.

Another locker is Cycle Safe, made out of fiberglass and plastic.
I used to think they were vandalproof, but you can see the damage
done to one in the parking lot behind the Palo Alto Senior Center
on Ramona between University and Lytton.  Also, the finish stains
easily, even just with age. You can see some in the large office
complex on Embarcadero at Geng, NW corner, right across Geng from
the Regis McKenna building. There are also some at the Mountain
View Caltrain station.

Anyone wanting a locker at a County Transit LRT station or other
transit facility, call Hamisi White, 408/299-8943.

Call or E-mail me if you want to know more about bike lockers.

Ellen Fletcher, 4l5/494-8943.

The access list so far:

ACI   Chicago,IL            unsheltered, back door
ACO   Acton,MA              Sheltered/workday-secure
BXB2  Bobborough,MA         In office
CXN   Colorado Springs,CO   unsheltered
DAS   Andover,MA            Unsheltered
DDD   Nashua,NH             Unsheltered, back-door
DSG   Westford,MA           Unsheltered, in office (unofficial)
HLO2  Hudson,MA             Sheltered rack, no access
LJO   Littleton,MA          Unsheltered
LMO1  Marlborough,MA        In office (1986)
LTN   Littleton,MA          In office
MKO   Merrimack,NH          Outside Rack
MLO   Maynard,MA            Sheltered/workday-secure, in office(unofficial)
MRO1  Marlborough,MA        Sheltered/workday-secure
MRO4  Marlborough,MA        In office
MPO   Minneapolis,MN        No rack, back-door(?)
MSO1  Maynard,MA            In office (1988)
NIO   Salem,NH              Under negotiation. contact SALEM::RYAN_J
NQO   Nashua,NH             Unsheltered
OPA   Charolotte,NC         In office
PKO3  Maynard,MA            Inside/secure
REO   Reading,England       Sheltered
TAY   Littleton,MA          Unsheltered
TRN   Torino,Italy          Inside/secure
UCF   Cupertino,CA          In office
UCO   Palo Alto,CA          In office
UCS   Mountain View,CA      In office
UCT   Palo Alto,CA          In office
WFO   Westfield,MA          Unsheltered
WMO   Westminster,MA        In office
WRL   Palo Alto,CA          In office
YWO   Westborough,MA        In office (1987)
ZKO1  Nashua,NH             Sheltered
ZKO3  Nashua,NH             Unsheltered

    The WSL buildings (UCP and UCB) both allow bicycles in offices.  UCP
    also has a locked indoor bicycle storage room, but most people prefer
    to park their bikes in their offices.
    
    Ken
    

The Mt. View and Palo Alto sites "Officially" allow bikes in offices.  Plus, 
the security guard in UCS always opens the door for me and helps me with the 
elevator.  I'm not sure, but I don't believe his help is part of the 
"Official" policy. ;-)
    

    Here at NUO (Nashua, NH) a few of us bring our bikes into our offices.
    I've also seen a couple chained up outside at the unsheltered,
    insecure %^) bike rack.  I use a keycard entrance, so haven't tried to
    wheel past the security desk.  If I remember correctly, when we moved
    to this facility a year ago, the official policy was no bikes inside.
    However, I haven't been hassled about having mine in my cube.

    Sue

         FXO has unsheltered outside racks.


         I hear there a possibility of adding more racks though...


         JC

    UK is pretty difficult since access is by keycard.
    
    NEW (newbury) - no access: nasty wheel-bender of a bikeshed.
    EDO (livingston/edinburgh) - same sort of bikeshed with the added
    			advantage of being open in the direction where the
    prevailing wind comes from. *However* in VMS we have abck door and (at
    present) enough space to unofficially allow bike in the office.
    
    I'd be interested to hear of other European sites...

Well, here's a European site: Mervue, Galway, Ireland.

Here we have an outside covered bike-rack, somewhat sheltered from
the prevailing west-wind by a couple of walls nearby. A great rust-attractor,
given Galway weather (lots of wind 'n rain).

No-one's ever tried to bring a bike inside, that I know of. I think the first 
reaction would be intense amusement (security looked at me like I was the man 
with two brains when I walked in wearing a hard helmet recently after going
training before work). The second would most likely be No, because of space 
restrictions, etc.

Patrick

Here's a summary so far...

From RAINBO::BICYCLE notes 45, 322, 914, 1480.0-72

site	location		bike storage (not secure unless noted)
----	---------------		--------------------------------------
MRO1	Marlborough,MA		Sheltered/workday-secure
MRO4	Marlborough,MA		In office
LMO1	Marlborough,MA		In office (1986)
YWO	Westborough,MA		In office (1987)
FXO	Foxborough,MA		Unsheltered
ACO	Acton,MA		Sheltered/workday-secure
DAS	Andover,MA		Unsheltered
MLO	Maynard,MA		Sheltered/workday-secure, in office (unofficial)
PKO3	Maynard,MA		Inside/secure
MSO1	Maynard,MA		In office (1988)
HLO2	Hudson,MA		Sheltered/secure
LTN	Littleton,MA		In office
TAY	Littleton,MA		Unsheltered
LJO	Littleton,MA		Unsheltered
WFO	Westfield,MA		Unsheltered
DSG	Westford,MA		Unsheltered, in office (unofficial)
WMO	Westminster,MA		In office (unofficial)
ZKO1	Nashua,NH		Sheltered
ZKO3	Nashua,NH		Unsheltered
NQO	Nashua,NH		Unsheltered
DDD	Nashua,NH		Unsheltered, in office (unofficial)
NUO	Nashua,NH		Unsheltered, in office (unofficial)
MKO	Merrimack,NH		Unsheltered
NIO	Salem,NH		In office, inside/secure (in planning)
UCS	Mountain View,CA	In office
UCP	Palo Alto,CA		In office, inside/secure
UCB	Palo Alto,CA		In office
UCO	Palo Alto,CA		In office
UCT	Palo Alto,CA		In office
UCF	Cupertino,CA		In office
OPA	Charlotte,NC		In office
ACI	Chicago,IL		Unsheltered, inside/secure (one group only)
MPO	Minneapolis,MN		In office (unofficial)
CXN	Colorado Springs,CO	Unsheltered
TRN	Torino,Italy		Inside/secure
REO	Reading,England		Sheltered
NEW	Newbury,England		Sheltered
EDO	Edinburg,England	Partially sheltered, inside (unofficial)
ILO	Galway,Ireland		Sheltered
HGO	Beijing,China		Outside


total			40
------
In office		18 (6 unofficial)
Inside/secure		3
Sheltered		9  (4 secure or workday-secure)
Unsheltered		14 (none secure)

    Further to .71, I agree, bringing a bike into a UK office would be
    considered a little eccentric. Well, let's face it, it IS a little
    eccentric. Do you guys seriously wheel the thing up the corridor, mud,
    snow and all and leave it to drip dry in your cube all day? What do the
    cleaners have to say about this? 
    I guess we're luckier over here, at least there is some sort of bike
    shelter at most offices - the one at Reading (DECpark) is great until
    it rains ;-) 
    Re the wheel bending racks mentioned in .70, I understand what you're
    saying (and I do prefer the "Sheffield racks") but have you ever 
    actually bent a wheel in one? 
    
    Chris
    
    P.S: Facilities have promised to improve the windswept shelter at
    Reading. But that was 3 months ago....

> Do you guys seriously wheel the thing up the corridor, mud,
> snow and all and leave it to drip dry in your cube all day?

    I only bring my bike up to the cube when it hasn't been raining.

    On the rainy days I leave it under a back stairwell and I attach a
    note telling where to reach me if it's in the way.  It wouldn't
    work out if everyone tried this, but on rainy days there isn't
    as much competition for bike parking.

    -Jeff

    MET, Marlborough MA -- Unsheltered Rack.

MKO2 - Merrimack NH - unsheltered, no rack - people use guardrail on the 
motorcycle pad...

    what wrong with being a little bit eccentric?  Or even a whole
    lot eccentric?  If more people were eccentric, they'd be normal
    and those motorists would be the eccentric ones.
    
    ed

    "CXN" is a little generic since there are 2 separate buildings involved
    so to help the list:

    CXN1   Outside only, Unsheltered
    CXN2   Outside only, Unsheltered
    CXO3   Outside only, Unsheltered  (Customer Support Center)

    I'm going to suppose CXO1 and CXO2 since the overall building
    management is the same as CXN1,2, and CXO3.
    

    NRO2 and NRO5 have unsheltered outside racks (NRO1 & 3 no longer exist,
    and 5's rack is very near 4).  At least one person brought their bike
    in last year.  I pass by a window overlooking the rack, and this is a
    relatively safe area, so I'm not very concerned about my bike's safety
    (I even leave the frame pump and seat bag on).  I believe that I'm
    currently the only bike commuter at this site (I have a whopping 5.4
    mile RT commute).
    
    Jamie

In JGO (Nijmegen, The Netherlands), both buildings have sheltered outside
cycle racks.

Tonnie Wiegman

    SHR3 has three outside racks ... one at each wing entrance (key card
    access) which are unsheltered, and one in front of the main lobby which
    is under the building overhang (semi-sheltered).  The two times I rode
    my bike to work I left it in the rack by the main lobby, as this one is
    visible by the security folks and receptionist, and very safe.
    
    I have seen a couple of bicycles in cubes here, so I don't think
    there's a policy against it, at least not one that's enforced.  And
    also, our security types are very friendly, helpful people who do not
    at all fit into the category some of you have described.
    
    Actually, the majority of bicycles here at SHR3 are stored on the roof
    racks of the folks who drove to work with their bikes on top of their
    cars so they could ride during lunch.
    
    ... Bob
    

    I heard a rumor that there was a recent policy change, at least at the
    Mill, that bikes were ok in offices.  They sort of always have been,
    provided they were snuck in.  But a friend recently forgot his badge
    and had to go in the Main St entrance, and the receptionist told him
    that they weren't allowed in the building.  After a bit of badgering,
    she made a phone call to Security, and then said that they changed the
    policy; go ahead.  Hmmm...  -kb

BXB1 & BXB2 OK in offices, but you can't leave them in hallways.