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1163.1 | .02 CENTS FROM WMO | WMOIS::C_GIROUARD | | Tue May 16 1989 12:51 | 21 |
| Nice touches would be:
- More technical "spots" that highlight some
equipment and preferences. Let's face. most
of this stuff is new to viewing audiences and
it might help to pique interest - higher ratings
if people got a real close look at the machinery
(that 30 second worldwind explanation on the TT
machine didn't cut it!)
- More discussion (race/equipment/technique) with
the riders (maybe a panel type preference discussion)
in the race.
To me, this stuff is as interesting as the race itself. And, again,
it would really serve the sport best in this country to include
some "educational stuff". People have a tendency to turn away from
things they aren't afforded "easy" information access, particularly
where TV is concerned.
My .02 cents
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1163.2 | keep the audience from going nutz... | SUSHI::KMACDONALD | Is there life after drywall? | Tue May 16 1989 13:07 | 12 |
| Somewhat less of the historical "we're now passing thru mumblyville,
where in 1867 the...". Some is a nice touch, but when it takes up half
the coverage time... You don't see them spending 45 minutes telling you
about Pasadena during the Rose Bowl, eh?
Change up the commercial coverage!!! During NBC's coverage of TdT, they
REPEATED the SAME commercials OVER and OVER. We saw the two bozos do the
sportscaster's Oldsmobile commercial at least 10 or 12 times in 2 hrs,
twice in 5 minutes once. Ditto for the exact same commercial for
Domino's Noid. A couple other sponsors gave some variety, Thank God!
ken
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1163.3 | educating the non-racer audience | CIMAMT::CHINNASWAMY | OH Bother! | Tue May 16 1989 13:59 | 19 |
| I would like some info on the techniques used in bike racing. For example
how does the team play a role in the race? Do they simply allow the
lead rider to draft until a key point in the race? Do they carry extra
water for him? One thing that I couldn't figure out was when a member of
another team breaks away, other teams will send a rider out to 'chase'
him. What is the purpose in this. Is it to simply have one of their
riders in the break just in case it's successful, or do they play some
role in trying to slow down the breaking rider.
I'm stating these questions as examples of things that I have tried to
figure out while watching the limited coverage here in the states. Not
being a racer myself, I have some difficulty understanding some of the
moves during the race. Better knowledge of whats going on and why will
keep people more interested in watching the actual riding and not
where their riding and what significance this town played in WWII etc...
Mano
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1163.4 | To start with | VERVE::BUCHANAN | Bat | Tue May 16 1989 14:27 | 21 |
| 1) At the end of Paris-Roubaix ABC used a short interview by Phil Liggett. If
ABC has him under contract by all means USE HIM! He knows more about cycle
racing than Sam Posey could ever hope to learn (to be fair I'll bet Phil
Liggett could not cover auto racing as well as Posey). If you have past
years Tours on tape go back and listen to him, he's great. Sure he's a bit
melodramatic, but he's also very clever.
2) Many stages in the Tour are quite boring and have little or no impact on the
G.C.. In one hour you can't hope to cover all the stages so find one or two
during the week that had some excitement and high-light them. But be sure
to at least show who won each stage. By the way this is how ESPN covered
last years Coors Classic. After showing one or two stages in detail they
would spend about 30 seconds on each of the other stages, give each winner
his due.
3) Keep us informed about the "sub-races" such as for the green jersey. I
always find this very interesting because it is fought for just as hard as
is the yellow jersey but by a whole different group of riders. Guys like
Von Popple, Vandaerden, Bontenpi, Planckaert, etc.. These guys know they
don't stand a prayer at winning the Tour so to them the green jersey is the
race.
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1163.5 | up close and personals | USCTR1::PJOHNSON | | Tue May 16 1989 14:41 | 4 |
| I like to hear information about the top cyclists. Training regimins,
how they got started, and in general "up close and personal" stuff.
Phil
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1163.6 | NO MORE HISTORY | WITNES::HANNULA | Well, you see, I have this cat....... | Tue May 16 1989 14:58 | 20 |
| 1 - NO History Lessons
2 - A commentator who understands bicycle racing. Maybe have an
ex-pro who could explain the Why's of what's going on.
3 - I HATE it when the onthescene reporter runs up to the guy who
just fell off his bike, shoves a microphone in his face and
says "What Happened". Then we have to sit there and listen
to blank air (and the reporter ask the question a few more times)
since the racer is not granting interviews at that time. Case
in point - the interview with Vandaerarden after he went off
course in the Tour de Trump - the first interview when he didn't
talk.
4 - Personally I don't care that Joe Racer grew up in Smalltown
USA, and that Mom and Dad worked 3 jobs so that Junior could
have the best bicycle equipment in town, and how Dad postponed
his open heart surgery so that he could come down to watch his
boy race and they brought the family dog with them.
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1163.7 | what an idiot, eh! | SUSHI::KMACDONALD | Is there life after drywall? | Tue May 16 1989 15:34 | 17 |
| > since the racer is not granting interviews at that time. Case
> in point - the interview with Vandaerarden after he went off
> course in the Tour de Trump - the first interview when he didn't
> talk.
Probably, "couldn't talk"... through a bit of personal experience, right
after riding a time trial I usually concentrate for the first couple of
minutes on 1) retrieving some air 2) keeping from tossing my cookies 3)
keeping from passing out. I couldn't "grant an interview" to give the
25,000$ winning phrase in "Wheel of Fortune" :-). Just shows that the
interviewer assuredly a) never rode a bike race (or a bike) and b) never
interviewed anyone doing anything more strenuous than golf.
As another suggestion, I think we should volunteer (at outrageous
salaries) the folks who respond to this note as sportscasters for the
tdf. Sure sounds like this crew would pull together a better 'cast!
ken
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1163.8 | TV coverage bad in France | LEROUF::WILSON | John in Valbonne, France | Wed May 17 1989 06:31 | 18 |
| If it's any consolation to those of you in the US, the coverage of the
Tour here in France is pretty awful. There is a lot of it - it's on
every day - but most of the commentary is shouted and pretty ignorant.
There is also a tendency to focus on trivia, such as riders eating,
narrow escapes with team cars, interactions with spectators etc. Most
of the commentators know very little about the sport, as they are the
same ones who commentate (at the same pitch and volume) on tennis and
football matches. There is little serious analysis, even when experts or
pros are interviewed.
I agree about Phil Liggett who was mentioned earlier. In fact the best
Tour de France coverage I have seen was the one-hour summary on Channel
4 in Britain, with Phil Liggett and others.
Regards
John
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1163.9 | | JUMBLY::MACFADYEN | Unmitigated junk | Thu May 18 1989 10:36 | 14 |
| The Channel 4 cover in Britain is indeed very good. Paul Sherwen is
another who is often on it; he used to be a professional and rode the
Tour several times, now he is team manager of Raleigh-Banana.
This programme was instrumental in switching me on to cycling as a
major interest. It started about 1984 which was coincidentally when
the English-speaking pros were beginning to make a big impact: Millar
got King of the Mountains that year.
Also it has a terrific theme tune. Whenever I hear it I know I'm in for
a good time...
Rod
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1163.10 | Subsequent REPLIES to me via MAIL | EGYPT::CRITZ | Not overweight, just undertall! | Fri May 19 1989 11:57 | 6 |
| I believe I've got enough to send to ABC. So, I'll be
grinding out this letter this weekend. If you have
something to say, send it to me via MAIL.
Thanks for your ideas,
Scott
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1163.11 | | WITNES::HANNULA | Well, you see, I have this cat....... | Fri May 19 1989 12:57 | 1 |
| Will you be posting the letter in here for us?
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1163.12 | | EGYPT::CRITZ | Not overweight, just undertall! | Fri May 19 1989 13:41 | 5 |
| Well, I will if you want me to. It's nothing special.
I'm just compiling the comments that were made and
putting them into a list.
Scott
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1163.13 | | WITNES::HANNULA | Well, you see, I have this cat....... | Fri May 19 1989 15:45 | 5 |
| Well, I think it's only RIGHT, especially if you're going to be
using any comments that the participants in this file made. It
can be your way of repaying us for our ideas :*}
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1163.14 | Let hope it works | CIMAMT::CHINNASWAMY | help save basselopes & puffalumps! | Fri May 19 1989 16:12 | 10 |
| Well, as far as I'm concerned, If any of these comments get into
ABC's sports dept. and make the broadcast better, than I owe it
to you Scott for going through the trouble. If we could sign the
letter as 'Digital Equipment Corp. Bicycle Club' maybe it'll carry
more clout. But there may be legal problems in doing this.
Thanx for the effort and I'll keep my finger's crossed.
Mano
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1163.15 | This latest incarnation | EGYPT::CRITZ | Not overweight, just undertall! | Fri May 19 1989 16:45 | 112 |
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R. Scott Critz
18 Bluestone Dr.
Nashua, NH 03060
Mr. Frank Gifford
ABC Sports
47 West 66th St. New York, NY 10023
Dear Mr. Gifford,
Because ABC will be broadcasting the 1989 Tour de France, I felt my
colleagues and I could make some suggestions that would help improve
the broadcast. All the following comments are from cyclists.
o If ABC can get Phil Liggett, get him. He knows more about cycle
racing than Sam Posey could ever hope to learn.
o We would appreciate less history. Some is a nice touch, but when
it takes up half the coverage time, that's too much.
o We would appreciate more technical "spots" that highlight
equipment and preferences. Let's face it, most of this stuff is
new to viewing audiences and it might help to pique interest;
higher ratings if people get a real close look at the machinery.
o We would appreciate more discussion (race/equipment/technique)
with the riders (maybe a panel type preference discussion) in the
race.
This is as interesting as the race itself. And, again, it would
really serve the sport best in this country to include some
"educational stuff." People have a tendency to turn away from
things they aren't afforded "easy" information access,
particularly where TV is concerned.
o We would appreciate a discussion of team tactics. For example:
- How does the team play a role in the race? Do they simply
allow the lead rider to draft until a key point in the race?
- Do they carry extra water for the leader?
- When a member of another team breaks away, other teams send a
rider out to "chase" him. What is the purpose in this? Is it
to simply have one of their riders in the break just in case
it's successful, or do they play some role in trying to slow
down the breaking rider?
o We would appreciate it if ABC showed who won each stage.
Highlight the stages that had some excitement to them. By the
way, this is how ESPN covered last years Coors Classic. After
showing one or two stages in detail they would spend about 30
Page 2
seconds on each of the other stages, giving each winner his due.
o We would appreciate it if ABC kept us informed about the
"sub-races," such as the race for the green jersey. I always find
this very interesting because it is fought for just as hard as is
the yellow jersey but by a whole different group of riders. Guys
like Von Popple, Vandaerden, Bontempi, Planckaert, etc.. These
guys know they don't stand a prayer of winning the Tour, so, to
them, the green jersey is the race.
o We would appreciate hearing information about the top cyclists.
Training regimens, how they got started, and in general "up close
and personal" stuff.
We do not appreciate the stories of how much the family suffered
so this man/woman could have the best equipment.
o We do not appreciate it when the on-the-scene reporter runs up to
the guy who just fell off his bike, shoves a microphone in his
face and says "What happened?". Nor do we appreciate the
subsequent dead air (and the reporter asking the question a few
more times), since the racer is not granting interviews at that
time, or cannot talk. A case in point - the interview with
Vandaerarden after he went off course in the Tour de Trump - the
first interview when he didn't talk.
Of course, he probably couldn't talk. One of my colleagues wrote
the following:
Through a bit of personal experience, right after riding a
time trial, I usually concentrate for the first couple of
minutes on 1) retrieving some air 2) keeping from tossing my
cookies 3) keeping from passing out. I couldn't "grant an
interview" to give the $25,000 winning phrase on "Wheel of
Fortune."
o We would appreciate it if ABC used commentators who know cycling.
There is a tendency to focus on trivia, such as riders eating, narrow
escapes with team cars, interactions with spectators, etc., which
really adds nothing to the sport.
o We would appreciate it if ABC would change up the commercial coverage!
During NBC's coverage of the Tour de Trump, they repeated the same
commercials over and over.
Thank you,
R. Scott Critz
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1163.16 | good letter | SHALOT::ELLIS | John Lee Ellis - assembly required | Mon May 22 1989 08:02 | 6 |
| RE: .-1
Excellent! Hope it makes a difference. (Sometimes they really
do listen.)
-john
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1163.17 | | EGYPT::CRITZ | Not overweight, just undertall! | Mon May 22 1989 10:32 | 3 |
| Thanks for the comments. The letter is in the mail.
Scott
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1163.18 | REPLY RECEIPT REQUESTED | MCIS2::DELORIEA | Common sense isn't | Mon May 22 1989 12:14 | 6 |
| Scott,
Can you post the reply they send you? I'm sure it will be good reading.
Tom
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1163.19 | | EGYPT::CRITZ | Not overweight, just undertall! | Mon May 22 1989 12:39 | 3 |
| Sure.
Scott
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1163.20 | I haven't heard from ABC, yet | EGYPT::CRITZ | Not overweight, just undertall! | Mon Jun 19 1989 11:53 | 6 |
| This may have nothing to do with our letter to ABC, but,
the latest issue of BICYCLING mentioned that ABC has
"already visited 8 countries to tape `Up Close and
Personal' segments with 10 contenders."
Scott
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