Conference noted::bicycle

    There's never a shortage on ads, that's for sure. Man you're really
    gonna get a bunch of opinions on this one. 
    
    The only pointers I can think of that matter are to make sure they
    are 100% UV (protected and are optically correct. Other than that,
    the rest is fashion (comfort/ear pieces not withstanding) or name
    brand! Let's see Oakley, Scott, Bolle, Gargoyles, UVEX, etc...
    
    Help yourself!
    
    Chip

    
    anybody have any info on prescription riding eyewear?
    
    some races make me ride blind and it tends to take the agressive
    edge off.
    
    Rob
    

    If your looking for prescription glasses and don't want to consider
    wearing contacts with conventional sun glasses, try Lenscrafters.
    I was in the new mall near ZKO in Nashua last week and saw a pair
    of heavy duty looking lenses that had a wide strap in place of the
    normal ear lobe rods and they looked liked goggles.  They are made
    for sports like basketball and racket sports but it appears that
    you could even do Tie Kwain Do in them without breakage.  Could be
    great for biking?  
    						Jerry

    
    Possible stupid question....
    
    My wife wants to get a pair of glasses to keep grit out of her eyes.
    I assume that cycling glasses will fit under a  helmet (V-1 in her
    case).  Are elastic straps to keep them on your head included or
    extra in the usual case (Iam sure there are exceptions either way).

	re -.1

	Most glasses are light enough that you have no need for
	straps - they stay in place on their own no problem.

	chris

    RE .4 & .5
    
    I bought a Croakie to wear while biking.  I found that when my face
    would get sweatty, the glasses would start to slip down my nose.
    The Croakie holds them in place.  
    
    In addition, when I take a rest break now, I can just hang my glasses
    around my neck - no need to try to balance the glasses on my bike
    seat.
    
    	-Nancy

    I'd like to reactivate this note, since yesterday morning's ride to
    work left me teary and bloodshot!
    If possible, can we keep it to standard cycling glasses, or (gasp)
    regular sunglasses that seem to work well while you happen to be riding.
    I'm not into spending gobs, or looking like an alien, just something
    that will keep bugs out, and keep wind effect to a minimum.
    
    Thanks,
    John

    In a related vein, I've read that some of the cycling/sports glasses
    can be worn over prescription glasses.  Has anyone done this?  What
    brands work?  Contacts are not an option.

    My clear glasses for riding near dark are "Rudy Project" with some
    sort  of  plastic  frame. They work reasonably well, and don't fog
    much.  I have two problems with them. The first is that the temple
    pieces  are  too  tight,  and  squeeze  more  than I'd like, and I
    haven't  figured  out  how to loosen them. I suspect they're tight
    intentionally  so  they  don't fall off. The other problem is that
    it's  hard  to clean them (compared to glass) with the front of my
    jersey.

    My day  glasses  are aviator frames with "PhotoGrey" (sp?) lenses,
    which  I  bought  at an optometrists. I use vuarnet side pieces to
    keep  the  wind  out  and  a  vuarnet strap to hold them on, which
    doubles to hang them around my neck. These have worked quite well.
    They're  a  little  heavier  than  I'd like, and fog a little more
    easily  than  the  "Rudy  Project" ones, but I prefer them because
    they're  easier  to  clean,  and  they  protect me from the wind a
    little better.

--David

    I've always worn eyeglasses, so I've never sought out any special
    cycling eyewear.  I've worn aviator-style glasses and they seem
    to do fine for bugs, wind, etc.
    
    But until last year, I had been using PhotoGrey lenses-- which
    are great, because you only need one pair of glasses.  At the
    advice of my eye doctor, I decided not to buy another set of 
    PhotoGreys because I do spend so much time on the road (on my bike,
    of course).  That's because PhotoGrey can only be applied to
    *glass* lenses, and even the best glass can shatter when struck
    with a projectile.  I now have two sets of glasses, pretty much
    identical, but both with poycarbonate lenses.  I feel a lot better
    knowing my sight isn't in danger.
    
    I've found that unfortunately plastic/polycarbonate lenses do not
    work well in the rain, especially at night.  Glass seems to let
    the water `sheet' on the lens without seriously degrading the
    visibilty.  These polycarbonate lenses are awful in the rain.
    Anybody know how to make this better????
    
    Another item:  I'd been using cable temples (the kind that wrap around
    your ear) on my glasses for years, but I decided to get "ordinary"
    temples this time since the polycarbonate lenses are so much lighter
    than glass lenses.  Well, I'll go back to the cable temples.  I
    really don't like having to push my glasses back up my nose when
    I'm riding.  Fellow eyeglass wearers may want to consider cable temples
    if you use your eyeglasses while cycling!
                       --tom

    
    The cable temples sound nice ... Suspension Eyewear is that type,
    I believe - these were being offered to RAAM and UMCA guys.
    
    There are also many, many varieties of eyeglass straps (that
    tighten around your head; not the kind that just allow your
    glasses to hang around your neck).  Ok, too obvious, but that's
    what I use.  The brand I like best is the one made in a small
    town in Utah, out of cotton for a strap with a wooden tightener,
    and surgical tubing inside the cotton ends to hold onto the glasses.
    They're offered in Performance or Nashbar.  Of course the end of
    the cotton strap does look like a strange ponytail, but it's worth it.
    
    -john

    
      The best sunglasses I've had were a pair of Oakly Factory Pilots.
    I like them a little better than the Bolle Edges that I know use.
    I would still have them but they were stolen out of my car.  I don't
    mind spending 60-70 dollars on a pair of shades because I will keep
    them for 7-10 years as long as I remember to use the neck cord and
    they don't get stolen.  I also use them when I ski and for everyday
    driving.  I get a lot of use out of a pair of sunglasses.  I prefer
    Gray lenses for everything but skiing, for that I like Brown.
    
    John C.
    

    
    RE: .11
     
          I've got one/pair/set(?) of the type that John mentions
       but I can't for the life of me remember what they're called.
    
          There's another brand made of a strip of neoprene with
       each end sewed into a tube that works pretty well also. One
       or the other of these is called CHUMS (tm) but I don't recall
       which is which.
    
                                                   Steve
    
         BTW, What's wrong with a ponytail? (and I'm not even in
                                             software)  8^)
    
         

    
    From the Software side...  :-)
    
    Right. The one I described (cotton) is called CHUMS.
    
    -john

     I'll throw another vote in for the Factory Pilots. I've had mine
    for two years, I had a pair of Blades (still do), but wear them
    once in a blue moon. I've got a pair of Gargoyles (amber lenses).
    I only bought them because the store was getiing rid of them
    ($25.00) so I jumped. I use them for shooting mostly.
    
     I did get amber lenses for my Factory Pilots and use them for those
    hazy days now...
    
       Chip

    
    	What do Factory Pilots look like? The ones from Oakley with that
    name look like motocross or ski goggles. Are these the ones?
    
    	Roger

    
    RE: .-1
    
    Picture Lloyd Bridges in "Airplane" ...

     The Factory Pilots are the full framed models...
     
      Regards,
    
               Chip

    
>    Picture Lloyd Bridges in "Airplane" ...
    You mean you have to wear more than one pair? :-)

My response to cycling glasses is...
      Velcro (male) strip on the front of the helmet...
      Velcro (Female) strio on a sheet of plstic. The thing they make model
      airplane windscreen out of.
      Upwards when not in use,, 
      Trim to the desired shape for the lower half of the face.. too long and
      it fogs, too short and it is ineffective.

      It does not carry the brandname porche, but it is effective.. Normal
      specs can be worn below. Or sun glasses.

      Rgds,
      Stephen

    
    Note: Last Sunday it started out foggy (only for the first 4 hours :-)),
    so I whipped out my soft contact lenses (which is a big reason I had
    bought them last spring), and they did just great for those 60 miles,
    some dark, some daylight.  It is the first time I have enjoyed biking
    through the fog since... maybe ever?
    
    No problem with particulate matter in the eyes, and I could go as fast
    as I pleased (subject to muscular limitations) with peace of mind.
    
    I was going to wear the Oakleys with clear lens, but couldn't find
    them in time, so just rode naked, and that worked fine.  The water
    droplets condensing on eyelashes was entertaining.  :-)
    
    -john
    
    (Is this other people's experience?)

I find them superb in the wet, in fact probably more comfortable than in the
dry...................

    
     re: .21
    
           Be careful riding bareback John. I lost one of my 
       extended-wear torics ($250/pr) last year while I was
       wearing a pair of cheap sunglasses for wind protection.
       It started to feel a little dry, I blinked twice and it
       was 'Gone With the Wind'. Damn thing was only two weeks
       old too.
    
                                                Steve (who hasn't ridden
                                                       in two weeks, and
                                                       now has to go to
                                                       Colorado for a week)
                                                             8^(

    
    Steve,
    
    Yes, that's why I bought the Oakleys - for wind protection.
    Too bad about your contact lens.  I will be careful.
    
    Meanwhile, if you're going to Colorado, can't you take your bike?
    
    -john

    
    John,
    
         I just got off the phone with them - they said to bring
    my skiis. But that's ok too!  8^)   Now if I can only find
    the time...
    
                                                  Steve