| Title: | Bicycling |
| Notice: | Bicycling for Fun |
| Moderator: | JAMIN::WASSER |
| Created: | Mon Apr 14 1986 |
| Last Modified: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
| Last Successful Update: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
| Number of topics: | 3214 |
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Food for thought:
The bicycle in any form does not seem to exist
in peoplekind's vision of the future.(or any other
methods of personal mobilization). I can not
think of any examples of exceptions to this in
any Sci-Fi, futuristic predictions, or any other
"windows into the future". This seems a sad fact
to me.
Maybe someone can come up with examples to prove
me wrong? (and lift my spirits;-)
I already am aware that it is a uphill battle to
get society to tolerate the bicycle. (e.g. Several
states have tried to pass laws banning bicycles
from all main thoroughfares and all the anti-mountain
bike legislation so we don't have an alternative
to the thoroughfares. And bikeways are always low
priority funding. )
For something that is so beneficial to society
(quiet, efficient, pollution free, viable for
commuting, etc), bicycling sure does take a lot
of flack.
Is it possible to have bicycles in a society of
the future, when they are not even in our vision
of the future????
Just Pondering,
Thom
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| 897.1 | Practical Exertion Taboo? | ATLAST::ELLIS | John Lee Ellis - assembly required | Fri Oct 14 1988 20:18 | 59 |
The trouble: the bicycle does not have *dignity* as a form of practical transportation in our society ... namely, American society. The reasons are 20th-century-historical and structural. This means it would be hard, very hard, to change this attitude. For at least the whole century, our society has esteemed the "labor saving device." (Before motorcars, when people had to walk a lot, horses notwithstanding, bicycles *were* regarded as labor-saving devices, and held in high esteem - this lasted about 3 decades, until the motorcar became widespread.) Result: physical exertion for practical reasons is held in contempt by Americans. Sweat all you like on a Nautilus machine, or on the squash courts, or for a sport or hobby, but not for a practical purpose such as transportation, etc. Think I'm overstating it? Just stop and think a minute: when do "respectable" people exert themselves physically nowadays? Hence, you get respect, at least from some quarters, if you are biking for Sport, with lots of lycra, flashy colors and logos, and a bike that costs more than cars used to. Just so you don't do anything *practical* with it. In the 70's, amid the oil/energy crisis, the image of the business suited bicycle-commuter was promoted... but this never really caught on. Part of the reason is structural, as mentioned above: most Americans live quite far from work, daily shopping, etc. The other structural aspect is lack of places to ride safely. In both cases, the capital and cultural investment makes it very hard to change these patterns. In certain European countries (the Netherlands, most notably, but also in England), practical bicycling is still accorded dignity, and it is a strange feeling. There you really do see the business-suited commuter, housewives, professionals, etc., heads held high, biking serenely to work. One department head where I worked received for his 25th anniversary with the company a deluxe touring/commuting bike (fenders, lights, chain-jacket, and all). The bike-commuter may be an archaism even in Europe, though. Europe now has Hypermarkets which dwarf our stores, and about as many cars per capita, I'm sure, as we do, judging from the automania and road-crowding. Can China be far behind? You're quite incisive to look for bikes or their absence in SF - SF represents our dreams, our intentions, however murkily. I'll agree it looks pretty grim. But for decades, SF was carried forth on the momentum of the Labor Saving Device. PS: One work of science fiction does mention the bicycle: this novel's future technology is the technology of our (the writer's) time, and is introduced by the protagonist into a backward world (mediaeval England). As the protag- onist is about to be burned at the stake, he is rescued by Lancelot and his fellow knights who appear out of a cloud of dust, astride bicycles... horses wouldn't have made it in time. (Perhaps an over-optimistic view of mediaeval roads.) Title: "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court" by Mark Twain -john | |||||
| 897.2 | Science makes sense, but people don't | CESARE::JOHNSON | Sat Oct 15 1988 06:02 | 9 | |
Me and a whole bunch of other people wouldn't care if we had our own
Concorde, or free access to teleportation. We'd still ride bikes
several times a week. That's one of the shortcomings of most
Science Fiction: it assumes that humanity is only a reflection
of the technological state of the art. Instead, real human beings
do plenty of archane, absurd things, like riding a bike from Boston
to Montreal and back in four days. ;~)
MATT
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| 897.3 | job discrimination? | AHOUSE::ACKLEY | Still the King of Nothing | Sun Oct 16 1988 11:22 | 16 |
It is curious that one cannot get a job with some 'manpower'
type agencies without owning a car. A bicycle is not considered
sufficient. I had no car for 8 years, and was turned down for
several jobs due to my choice of transportation. I believe this
form of discrimination should be outlawed, except for jobs directly
requiring the car.
One fellow, who did hire me, was surprized that I made it to
work when the people with cars were snowed in. When I refused
rides home, I occasionally explained that it was a waste of time
loading and unloading the bike. Also, it seemed the purpose of
having me as a passenger was so I could help push the car when it
got stuck.
Alan.
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| 897.4 | CTCADM::ROTH | Lick Bush in '88 | Mon Oct 17 1988 07:06 | 6 | |
We're still in the "iron age" today - but things are going to change.
There is only about 30 more years of crude oil left. When that runs
out peoples lifestyles will be markedly altered.
- Jim
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| 897.5 | a vote for human nature | ATLAST::ELLIS | John Lee Ellis - assembly required | Mon Oct 17 1988 08:45 | 15 |
>< Note 897.4 by CTCADM::ROTH "Lick Bush in '88" >
> There is only about 30 more years of crude oil left. When that runs
> out peoples lifestyles will be markedly altered.
Alternatives, roughly in order of likelihood:
- laser-powered vehicles,
- sedentary live-your-live-at-home culture,
- mass suicide,
- reversion to the stone age,
.
.
.
- human powered locomotion (walking, bicycling).
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| 897.6 | 2010 | SVCRUS::CRANE | Mon Oct 17 1988 12:43 | 6 | |
watch the movie 2010 the sequel to 2001 a space oddessy.
There is one seen where you see the star of the american side out
jogging and his kid is riding a wild 3 or 4 wheel recumbent next
to him while the two hold a conversation.
John C.
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| 897.7 | newspeak forever | CSDPIE::EDGERTON | Tue Oct 18 1988 12:47 | 15 | |
> PS: One work of science fiction does mention the bicycle:
> this novel's future technology is the technology of our
> (the writer's) time, and is introduced by the protagonist
> into a backward world (mediaeval England). As the protag-
> onist is about to be burned at the stake, he is rescued by
> Lancelot and his fellow knights who appear out of a cloud
> of dust, astride bicycles... horses wouldn't have made it
> in time. (Perhaps an over-optimistic view of mediaeval roads.)
> Title: "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court" by Mark Twain
I remember seeing a cartoon version on the boob-tube of this
story. The knights come to the rescue in motorcycles! I guess
the bike lost out again.
Dave
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| 897.8 | Check Bicycling | USWAV7::CLELAND | Speed is the essence of mayhem... | Tue Nov 29 1988 15:42 | 10 |
Read the Decmeber '88 issue of Bicycling magazine.
Alot of great stuff on the history, and possible future
of the Human Powered Vehicle.
The IHPVA lives !!!!!!!!!!!!
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