Conference terri::cars_uk

    Rover 216 GTI  K reg 66K miles  4395-00 pence
    
    6 months ago they wanted 7K pounds. 4 months ago they wanted 6K pounds.
    
    Keep trying!  Kevin.

On my Golf GTI (5-door, metallic paint) Reg in Feb 1993 with 57K miles I was
asked for �8268.75 !!!

I looked in Top Gear magazine, and they reckoned that with only 30K miles a
private sale should be �8750

I'd be surprised if PHH get more than �6000 at auction.

Dave

    >Considering that there is no warranty
    
    You may want to check this out but I believe ex-lease cars do come with
    a warranty these days. This may explain the higher price. If you play
    it right at the end of a three year lease you could get a new MoT and
    a years road tax.
    
    I'll be getting a price for my 30 month old Cav LS 1.7 TD (60000 miles)
    shortly. I'm expecting it to be between 5 and 6k. It may well be
    higher judging by recent prices I have heard about. I'll post a reply
    here to let you know.
    
    Royston

 I just paid PHH �5600 for my 40000 mile K reg Renault 19, which I thought was
a good price.


	Barrie.

    Barrie, what sort of warranty did you get ? Was it 3 years old with
    new MoT and year's road tax ?
    
    Royston

Royston,

>>   Barrie, what sort of warranty did you get ? Was it 3 years old with
>>   new MoT and year's road tax ?


 The car was at end of lease ( 3 years old ) I had it MOT'd and Taxed before I
initiated the purchase.

 I dont know about warranty yet as I haven't recieved any comfirmation of the
sale from PHH yet ( though they recieved the money several weeks ago ). No
mention of warranty was made while I was arranging the purchase ( which was done
via electronic mail through Lease Plan ).

 As I've made sure that the car has been kept in A1 condition since it was new
I consider that I've got a good deal on the purchase price. If there is a
warranty it will be a bonus. PHH have promised that they will send my
documentation today, if there is a warranty I'll let you know.

	Barrie

I had a quote from PHH to buy my Savanna 7 seater, which was over top book 
price (�7157 against �6450). I expected to pay nearer the auction price of 
�4775!

When I spoke to LeasePlan they agreed it seemed expensive and checked the 
price with PHH. The reason given was that the 7 seaters produce a higher 
price in auction - but I defy them to get over �6.5k at auction!

I get the impression that they are increasing the price because Digital have 
gone to Leaseplan, but then maybe I'm paranoid???

Iain

    I have always wondered why the lease companies don't virtually give the
    cars away to us at end of lease as it would save them so much
    administrative hassle of collecting the vehicle, storing it, taking it
    to auction etc.
    
    Royston

    The best idea would be to find out when and where the car is being
    auctioned, and to go and buy it! That should be easy enough to
    organise.
    
    Laurie.

PHH wanted #8190 (yes, eight thousand one hundred and ninety 
pounds) for my MAZDA 626 Estate (seven seater) last September - 
K reg, 34,000 miles, good condition, alloys, air, roofracks, towbar, 
taxed, MOT'ed. I got a friend to check it out as it went through ADT 
at Blackbush a couple of days later, it went for around #6K (can't 
remember the actual figure) - and they hadn't even bothered to get 
it cleaned/valeted!!!

The PHH mark-up on my previous car (Volvo 740 GLE Estate) was 
similarly amusing.

Am I glad I passed on that one?

- John.

    >Well, they are in business to make money!
    
    Thats why I thought they'd save themselves a load of expense by letting
    us buy the cars at a reasonable cost.
    
    I don't know how much it costs to transport a car to auction and pay
    the auction fees but I would at least a few hundred quid so why do they
    bother ?
    
    Apparently at Digital in Canada the company cars have a 4 year lease
    and the cars are offered to the employee at the end of lease, and I
    swear I'm not making this up, for *one dollar*. The lease company writes
    them off but a token amount has to be paid for some tax reason.
    
    Royston

I have been quoted �6650 for a Jan 94 Astra 1.7td GLS Estate extras being
alloy wheels and ABS , I checked that it does come with a 3 month warranty
from HERTZ and the car has done 60,000 miles and has 10 months road tax.

This still seems a bit high a price compared to that on the garage forecourt.



					Stuart

    I bought my car at end of lease last April
    A 2.0 GLI Cavalier - not quite 22,000 miles (really)
    Price 6270.00, which I was extremely pleased with - forecourt prices
    at the time were approx 7.5K for similar.	
    Nice surprise a week later was confirmation of 3 months AA Warranty
    This was via HERTZ.

RE: .11

> I don't know how much it costs to transport a car to auction and 
> pay the auction fees but I would at least a few hundred quid so   
> why do they bother ?

It's called 'greed', they think they may get something for nothing. 
They have nothing to loose, the depreciation has already been 
factored into the lease charges they have been taking for the past 
three years.

- John.

    
    I was quoted 12,495 for my 60,000 mile 1993 (L Reg) Toyota MR2 from
    Hertz. I asked a Toyota dealer how much he thought it would be worth,
    he said considering the high mileage he would be willing to pay only
    10,000 for it (although I guess he would sell it on for around 11K).
                                                                   
    I wonder how much Hertz got for it at aution?
    
    
    Graham

    
    Re .10
    
    I'm just waiting for a price on MY Mazda 626 Estate! I was hoping for
    something about 4-5K!. My Montego Estate was offered to me 3 years ago
    for 3.8K This was truly a bargain. The point about the Mazda Estate is
    it is obsolete and was even so when I got it three years ago as the new
    bodyshell had been introduced (but not in estate form). 
    
    I'll let you know what Leasplan (or is it PHH) quote.
    
    Richard

    The difference in prices quoted here is amazing. Barrie's Renault
    definitely looks a good deal. I spoke to Leaseplan re .0 and all they
    would say is "sorry - no negotiation".
    
    I don't hold out any hope, but I have written to PHH directly and made
    them an offer, they can take it or leave it. If you don't ask you don't
    get.......not that I expect to "get".....
    
    I don't think I'll follow it to auction, Grimshaws will be delivering
    my new car to Poole and taking the old one back with them....unless
    they hear otherwise before hand.
    
    In years gone by, I have actually bought two cars from PHH, both at
    excellent prices, so they have obviously changed their policy on how
    much they ask for them.
    
    Just a pity that I really wanted this one for myself.
    
    Keith.

    Hi 
    
    I had a word with one of our lads once about purchasing a lease
    car! he always bought his at the end of the lease, his advise to
    me was the better you look after the car!  the less they have to
    spend on tryes, servicing and accidents the cheaper you get them 
    for, sound logic he was speaking from experience.
    
    Cheers
    
    

    Michael,
    
    If you would care to pop down and see me I shall be happy to give you a
    short tutorial in fundamental Notes usage. Among the topics we could
    cover would be the difference between `write' and `reply'.
    
    Phil Gill.

    Hi Phil
    
    Hey if you take the Michael to much I'll let your tryes down.
    
    I've noticed when I went in what I had done but when your hasseled
    you do these things, anyway the whole loves a smart ar_e what's it
    like to loved by the whole world Phil.
    
    regards
    
    Mick.
    
    
    PS> I'm going to search through every notes file ever writen this 
    afternoon to see if you've ever made a mistake. watch this space??

    >> PS> I'm going to search through every notes file ever writen this 
    >> afternoon to see if you've ever made a mistake. watch this space??
    
    You won't have to look far: the grammar in the last sentence of my
    previous note is appalling.
    
    PG.

    Michael,
    
    where are you typing your notes in from ? something - either software or
    hardware presumably - is removing words from your sentences before they
    get posted %^)
    
    Graham

    Hi 
    
    I'm sorry if my notes are not just so! but I'm on customer site and
    I have people walking past all the time, I normally spend more time
    looking who's behind me than at the screen, please forgive I shall
    pay more attention in the future.
    
    
    
    best regards
    
    

If anyone is interested in buying my 2.0i 16v Citroen ZX, it has done 
54,000, just had new tyres, only its second set (I don't thrash my cars 
anymore). It is due for a service, however my new one arrives next 
Wednesday.

It is however on its second engine and it has spent more time in the garage 
with a fuel injection problem than it has on the road!

I will get you a price if you want. Personally I wouldn't pay more than 3k 
but I bet they want at least 8k.

Stu

Mike, please endeavour to put your notes in the correct place.  If you can't 
be bothered, that generally means that someone else has to go to the trouble 
of tidying up the conference.  Anyone who persistantly can't be bothered will 
have their notes deleted, neither myself nor the other moderators have the 
time to chase around after people who won't make the effort.

Chris / CARS_UK co moderator.

    re .10 and .16....
    
    I just had the price for MY 626 Estate. �7402-00! This is ridiculous.
    Just as well I hadn't set my heart on buying it. 3 years ago I bought
    my Montego estate 2.0, lots of extras, 38,000 miles etc for �3,800 which 
    was an absolute bargain.
    
    Richard

RE: .10, .16, -.1

Well... at least they are consistant ;-)

	FYI, I've just been quoted �8500 to purchase my Mitsubishi 
Spacewagon (Jan'94 & 63,000 miles). 

Ian 

    Just received the driver purchase price of 6,150 pounds for my
    30 month L reg Cavalier LD 1.7TD 59,000 miles.
    
    This is a Hertz car. The mail said 'sold as seen' implying no warranty.
    
    Royston

Just been quoted 9995 to buy my 30 month old Calibra 2.0

This was around my decision point, but given that I've seen one with
the same reg letter and half the mileage for 10499 (which I would guess
was negotiable and still came with some form of warranty - this was
a major agent not a small ad.), I doubt I'll be taking up the offer.

Anyone managed to get them to make a sensible offer? - please send me
email.

Peter

Peter,
	I didn't try haggling with them when I bought mine,
but the price they quoted did include the Road Fund Licence
and 3 months AA warranty.

Phil.

I don't think they want to sell then to staff.

It's cheaper and easier to sell them in batches 
to the trade.

Rupert

    >It's cheaper and easier to sell them in batches to the trade.
    
    Rupert, please explain your reasoning.
    
    I cannot possibly see what is cheaper and easier to sell it to the
    person who already has it !!!!
    
    Selling it at auction includes collection, storage and auction fees.
    Why not offer it to the employee at a good price to save all the hassle
    ?
    
    Royston

Royston,

My view is based on the OTT prices they want for 
the cars. Having been to Blackbushe 
auction recently, and bought a car for my wife, I 
know how much they are really going for - less!

I think they have an established channel (The 
Trade) and it suits everyone (in The Trade) to 
make sure the lucrative ex-Fleet car market is not 
screwed up by staff getting  in on the act.

I may be wrong....

Rupert

Ref last...

Perhaps someone from LeasePlan could comment?

Rupert

    One interesting thing is that most of the cars that have recently
    come to end of lease are the old hertz and phh vehicles.
    
    Maybe when the LP cars come to end of lease the prices may be more
    reasonable.
    
    LP would not be able to comment on the prices wanted by 3rd party lease
    companies.
    
    Royston

�    Maybe when the LP cars come to end of lease the prices may be more
�    reasonable.
        
	My colleague received the following quote for his 2 year old
	LEASEPLAN vehicle, a Peugeot 306 TD with 54000 miles:

	Still looks unreasonably high to me:

From:	NAME: Leaseplan                     
	TEL: 7 830 8066                       <LEASEPLAN@A1CHEFS@RDGMTS@REO>
Subject: Re Driver to Buy Price
Date:	23-Aug-1996
Posted-date: 23-Aug-1996
Precedence: 1
To:	NAME: RIAZ KHAN <KHAN_R@A1CHEFS@RDGMTS@REO>


Riaz,

The driver to buy price for M631 RJO is �8100.00, valid for 14 days.

If this is acceptable to you please inform us and we can arrange the necessary 
administration.

Regards,

Nick.

    Just had this price for my Cavalier ( GLS 1.7td, 52000 miles, three
    years old).
    
    - 6450 pounds. I am tempted to come out of the scheme and buy the
    car...
    
    mikef