Conference terri::cars_uk

The top model is currently the 2.5 V6 developing 170PS. I've sat in one - very
nice indeed. Auto transmission only - aimed at the low end of the executive
market, costs about 20K on the road with leather uphosltry and heated front
seats (the only two options apart from paint)

I might take one for a test drive soon.

The salesman said it wasn't aimed at the "sporty" market, ie not intended to be
competiton for Calibra or Probe.

    As the Safrane was the successor of the 25, the Laguna is the successor
    of the 21.
    
    Laguna engines are, allegedly, the 21 engine bottom ends with
    re-engineered heads.
    
    I'll get the French brochures and see what's available in the country
    of origin.

    Keith...
    
    
    I also thought that it was a V6 3.0i  ... Maybe were wrong....mmm
    
    
    Stav

    Over here the V6 is the 3 litre version.
    
    The Laguna is a real departure from the 21. The 21 was relatively light
    and inexpensive. It could be powered by small engines. The Laguna is
    heavy and requires horsepower. Renault insist on safety, build quality,
    family car, comfort, etc ...

    Models available in France:
    
    RN with 1.8 engine - 95 BHP
    RT      1.8          95
    RT      2.0         115
    RT      2.0         115 automatic
    RXE     2.0         115
    RXE     2.0         115 automatic
    V6      3.0         170
    V6      3.0         170 automatic
    
    What else does anyone want to know, except prices?

I sat in a Laguna at the weekend - and I must say I was very disapointed, it
seemed very bland. Still I wont harp on until I've driven one - especially as 
they seem to be doing so well in the BTCC...

Andy

    Turbo-Diesel Laguna supposed to be coming along by year-end.
    
    Irene 

    does anyone have any internal Digital prices for the Laguna? i.e. what
    would it cost to get one as a company car!! 

    Keep an eye on note 2120. There are no quotes listed yet for the Laguna
    as far as I can see.
    
    Royston

    Just read that Renault will soon (Geneva Motor Show early March)
    release a 2.0S version equipped with a 2 litre 16 valve 140bhp engine.
    
    The top of line 4 cylinder engine was only producing 115bhp which was
    not too sexy. The 3 litre V6 produces 170bhp which is not too exciting
    either.
    
    I think the 140bhp engine was much needed.
    
    Now the interesting bit: this company (Renault) who is now famous for
    making the ultimate racing engines in the world don't have a 2 litre 16
    valve unit today. The new Laguna engine will be supplied by VOLVO !!!
                                                                         

re-1

This sounds like the 2.0 5 Cylinder 143Bhp engine from the
VOLVO 850.

If I am right then that will be a great car.

The 2.0 VOLVO 850 engine is a really nice motor it is tunecd for 
torque rather than out right power but it is very smoth and it sounds like
no other engine other engine.

Grant

    re .12
    
    Isnt the engine in the Clio Williams a 16v 2.0

    I think it goes like this (correct me if I'm wrong)
    
    Clio 16v			1.7
    Clio Williams 16v           1.8
    Clio WIlliams II 16v	2.0
    
    Am I right?
    
    Dan

    
    I thought the new Clio Williams was only an 1800?
    
    C.

    
    NO. :^)

    .13�This sounds like the 2.0 5 Cylinder 143Bhp engine from the
    .13�VOLVO 850.
    
    Almost. In fact, the new Laguna 2.0S engine is a 4 cylinder. Volvo have
    designed a new line of 4, 5 and 6 cylinder engines with lots of common
    parts. Interestingly enough the 5cyl engines are becoming more and more
    popular: not because they work better but because they still fit under
    the bonnet of many cars, transversely. Latest 5cyl is the one of the new
    Lancia Kappa. 
    
    The Clio 16V engine is a slightly rebored version of the 1721cc
    aluminium engine.
    
    As Mark said, all Clio Williams have the 2.0 engine (rebored version of
    the 16V engine).
                                       

    
    Does anybody have clues about when the Turbo-diesel will be out ?
    
    They say the 12 valve 2.2 D is worth it but less than 100 HP is
    ridiculous compared with today's engines in the same category
    (BMW 3 Series = 115 or 143 HP, Alfa 2.5 l = 115 HP, etc.)
    
    So they had promised it for last Autumn. Will it be out in Geneva ? 
    
    Charles

    re.12
    
    but the Renault V6 is not Renault's engine either! It's the PRV engine
    (Peugeot-Renault-Volvo) and it's been around for a long time. It is
    probably also the worst engine ever made. I'm talking from bitter
    experience with a Renault 25 V6I which was by far the worst car I've
    ever owned. The stereo was by far the best!
    
    Bill

    .20�    probably also the worst engine ever made. I'm talking from bitter
    .20�    experience with a Renault 25 V6I which was by far the worst car I've
    .20�    ever owned. The stereo was by far the best!
    
    The Renault 30 and the Peugeot 605 both powered by the same awful and
    unbalanced engine would certainly compete for the title of worst car
    built. Not even mentioning MPG. 

	The Peugeot 605, according to last weeks Times, also has the
	benefit of an exhaust system which costs �2200 to replace.

	-John

    .21�    The Renault 30 and the Peugeot 605 both powered by the same awful and
    
    Typo here: I really meant the shoebox-like 604

My father has a V6 Volvo - seems OK. Would not be my choice, but it seemed 
as good as the Omega V6 2.5.

Rupert

    Alan
    
    Thats a pretty vague question.
    
    Are you talking about lease driver prices or list prices ?
    
    If its the former see note  2290.152 which is a little out of date
    but will give you an idea.
    
    If its the latter I guess it could be anywhere between 15k and 25k
    depending on model.
    
    Royston

    Sorry - lease prices. I wanted to see what the price of the new turbo
    diesel came in at (not on old price list)
    
    regards
    
    Alan
    

    > price of the new turbo diesel
    
    Jan prices (for a rough guide)
    
     <   > LAGUNA 5DR 97 2.2D RN                       314.21   3,770.52
     <   > LAGUNA 5DR 97 2.2D RN S/ROOF                319.93   3,839.16
     <   > LAGUNA 5DR 97 2.2D RT AIR/CON               337.16   4,045.92
     <   > LAGUNA 5DR 97 2.2TD EXECUTIVE               439.23   5,270.76
     <   > LAGUNA 5DR 97 2.2TD RT A/CON                372.85   4,474.20
     <   > LAGUNA 5DR 97 2.2TD RXE A/CON               407.78   4,893.36
     

        There are no new models in LPDIRECT since the January list.
        There are two price changes:
        
         <   > LAGUNA 5DR 97 2.2TD EXECUTIVE        NOW:   447.56   5,370.72
                                                    Jan:   439.23   5,270.76

         <   > LAGUNA 5DR 97 3.0 EXECUTIVE A        NOW:   529.15   6,349.80
                                                    Jan:   537.48   6,449.76

Thanks - thats what I was after

Alan