Conference terri::cars_uk

    
    	Hooray!
    I was getting a bit tied of reading about Chevy's, Pontiacs and the
    like..

    Welcome to the moderators and good luck with it..you have my support!
    
    
    
    			Simon

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MUDHWK::LAWLER "Bring back Classic ELF!"             49 lines   5-MAR-1990 07:32
                   -< Commentary on Businesses now limited. >-
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    In response to several incidents, Ron Glover, Corporate Personnel
    Policy Manager) has issued the following memo.
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
        
Over the last several months Digital has been contacted by a number of
individuals and business entities that were angry about negative
comments made about them in our Notesfiles and Conferences.  As the
Personnel Policy Manager for Digital I have been the recipient of many
of those notes.  I thought I should take the time to post this note to
inform employees that it is not appropriate for them to make negative
comments or references about any person or business entity in any of
Digital's employee interest notesfile or conferences.

There are several reasons why we are establishing this rule.
The first has to do with fundamental fairness.  It is simply not fair
for an employee to make a negative comment about a business when we
don't provide those businesses an opportunity to respond and defend
themselves.  This is particularly true given the fact that we have no
way of determining whether the comment is honest, fair or accurate.
Clearly Digital has no intention, or desire, to open up its notesfiles
to third-party businesses so that they can engage in a debate about
whether they provide quality services.  The only logical solution then
is to ask our employees to refrain from using the Notesfiles to air
grievances they have with individuals, vendors, or organizations.

In addition to out concerns about fairness, we are concerned about the
potential damage that these kinds of comments may cause to third-party
businesses.  In that regard, employees should understand that they may
be personally liable if the statements they make cause harm to any
person or business.  Moreover, there is some possibility Digital may be
held liable for such comments as well.  Stated more simply, comments
made in a Notesfile or conference are in no way privileged or immune
from claims of liable, slander or defamation.

We are asking all of the users of Notesfiles to exercise discretion and
judgement in the comments that they make in the system.  We are also
asking moderators to go back and review the notesfiles they
moderate and to remove any notes that include derogatory references to
third-party businesses.

Please feel free to contact your moderator if you have any questions
on this subject.

Ron Glover
Corporate Peronnel Policy Manager

    PLEASE read note 1.8 AGAIN before WRITEing any new notes to this
    conference.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Rich
    

    
                            New Conference on Notes Issues
    
    
    All noters -- readers, writers, and moderators -- are invited to
    participate in a new conference to discuss issues about or involving
    Notes.  As we explore the communication medium of Notes, we discover
    new problems to deal with.  One problem is disputes between noters and
    moderators.  Complaints about diverse conferences have reached
    Corporate Personnel.  Ron Glover suggests that noters work to find
    something the community accepts as good standards for resolving
    disputes.  Discussion about this should involve all members of the
    community, not just moderators or writers.  I would like to create a
    process for resolving disputes which is generally accepted by
    moderators and noters.  So if you can help or are interested, I ask you
    to join us.
    
        Add the new conference to your notebook with the command:
    
            ADD ENTRY JARETH::EDPEDP::DKA300:[EDP]NOTES
    
    
                                    -- edp (Eric Postpischil)
    

�    for converting the conference to accept set note x /note_id=y. (Jeff
    
    To save me looking elsewhere - how is this done ?

(Subj:  VAX Notes V2.0 Release Notes )

      o  The /NOTE_ID qualifier on the SET NOTE command can be used by
         the  note's  author  or  a  moderator  to  move  a note, or a
         sequential series of notes, to a more appropriate location in
         the conference.

         For conferences created prior to VAX Notes V2.0, you get  the
         error "Operation not supported in this conference" if you use
         this  qualifier.   It  is  not  necessary  to  recreate   the
         conference  to  solve the problem, however.  Assuming you are
         in  the  directory  containing  the  conference  and  have  a
         privileged account, you can follow these steps:
             
          1.  Type this command:
                 
              $ ANALYZE/RMS/FDL/OUTPUT=CONF.FDL CONF.NOTE
              substituting the conference file name for CONF.

          2.  Edit the resulting FDL file (CONF.FDL in the example)
              using any text editor.  Find "key 1" in that file, and 
              then find "changes" under key 1 and "no" after "changes."  
              Change "no" to "yes" in the file.  Then exit from 
              the editor.

          3.  Type this command:

              $ CONVERT/FDL=CONF.FDL CONF.NOTE *

              again substituting the conference file name for CONF.

         As a  result,  you  will  now  have  a  new  version  of  the
         conference   with   the   proper  characteristics.   The  SET
         NOTE/NOTE_ID  command  will  work.   The  FDL  file  and  the
         previous version of the conference may be deleted.

    An advert...
    
    With summer being on us and as some of us might be motoring in Europe
    there is stacks of advice etc. the following notes conference;
    
    	UKCSSE::EURO_MOTORING
    
    Rich
    

From:   Ron Glover, Corporate Personnel Policy Manager
Subj:	A Message to Employee Interest Notes File Users 


                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     29-Jan-1992 11:49am EST
                                        From:     RON GLOVER
                                                  GLOVER.RON
                                        Dept:     Corporate Employee Relations
                                        Tel No:   508-493-9569

TO: Conference Moderators

Subject: A Message to Employee Interest Notes File Users                        

By way of introduction, I am the Corporate Personnel Policy Manager.  
Part of my responsibility includes providing interpretation of Digital's 
Personnel Policy, including the Personnel Policy 6.54.   I would greatly 
appreciate your assistance in posting the attached memo from John Sims in 
the Notes files you moderate, and as many other Employee Interest Notes 
Files as possible.  Please give me a call if you have any questions.




                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     30-Jan-1992 
                                        From:     John Sims
                                                  SIMS.JOHN AT A1 at CORA @ CORE
                                        Dept:     Strategic Resources
                                        Tel No:   223-7243

TO:  Employee Interest Notes File Participants 


Subject:  A message to employee interest notes file users

           A MESSAGE TO EMPLOYEE INTEREST NOTES FILE USERS
    
    
    Over the last few months I have received a number of complaints 
    from employees, and individuals outside of the company about 
    material communicated in electronic mail systems and posted in 
    various employee interest notes files.  After reading some of this 
    material it is clear that a reminder about appropriate comment and 
    behavior in these systems is necessary.
    
    First, and most critically; the electronic mail systems and notes 
    files are company facilities subject to normal workplace rules of 
    conduct.   As such, the same rules that govern conduct and comment 
    in any other Digital workplace apply with equal weight in these 
    systems.  Stated simply, if you wouldn't say something in a 
    Digital business meeting, you shouldn't say it in electronic mail 
    or notes. PERIOD.  
    
    Statements that attribute improper, illegal or immoral motives or 
    actions to others; statements that cast aspersions on the 
    character or integrity of others or that amount to libel or 
    slander are not permitted. PERIOD.  In this regard, it does not 
    matter whether the individuals subject to the comment are elected 
    public officials or directors of organizations disfavored by the 
    author.   There is no "Public Figure" exception in these systems.
    
    Comments of a sexual nature are not acceptable whether they are 
    about the author or directed at others.  Similarly, comments that 
    degrade, devalue or discriminate against others are also 
    prohibited.
    
    Neither the notes conferences nor electronic mail should be used 
    to solicit other employees.  This prohibition covers efforts to 
    solicit employees for personal or political gain, to sell or 
    market goods or services (except authorized marketplace or 
    discount conferences) and efforts to solicit employees to take 
    action, sign petitions or support particular causes or candidates.
    
    Finally, employees should remember that it is never appropriate to 
    spend working time in employee interest notes for non-work 
    purposes.  Personal or entertainment activities in these notes 
    files should be limited to assigned break times, lunch time and 
    before or after business hours.  
    
    Employee interest notes files and conferences provide an 
    electronic forum to share ideas and opinions about matters of 
    common interest.  In supporting these conferences, the company 
    understood that there would be occasions where employees would 
    disagree on issues being discussed, but we believed and continue 
    to believe it is possible to disagree without being disagreeable.  
    Personnel Policy 6.54, Proper Use of Digital Computers, Systems 
    and Networks provides further information about appropriate 
    conduct and comment in these systems.  Employees who fail to meet 
    these expectations, or who use company computer systems in ways 
    that are contrary to the letter or spirit of that policy are 
    subject to Corrective Action and Discipline up to and including 
    the termination of their employment.
    
    The moderators of these conferences, along with your system 
    managers, personnel representatives and the Personnel Policy 
    Manager are all available to answer any question you might have 
    about appropriate use of these systems.
    
    Please feel free to forward this memo to other Digital notes 
    files and conferences.

Distribution:  Selected conference moderators
        [Original list deleted]

    
    I've deleted notes 1844 and some of it's replies - the ones pertaining
    to Calibra stuff I've moved as reply to note 1120. I've also
    moved note 1850 as a reply to note 1120.
    
    The replies in 1844 talking about how to use notes I believe the
    information is available elsewhere.
    
    Rich
    
    

    With the imminent departure of Richard Morgan (sorry to see you go), a
    new moderator has stepped in, ROY SHELLEY.
    
    Richard

    We have a new moderator to the conference.
    
    Chris Hedley has agreed to help keep the conference tidy and to try to
    keep you folks from going too far out of line :-)
    
    I've also modified the conference notice slightly to include pointers
    for takeover cars and car swap requests. Please reply to these notes
    for this rather than creating new topics.
    
    Royston 

    There appears to be some bitching going on. (The frontera note springs
    to mind).
    
    Unless any of the other mods think otherwise, none of the existing
    notes will be set hidden or deleted.
    
    All I would suggest is please use smilies :-) if your comment is in
    jest because as it is not always clear to everyone that it is
    mean't lightheartedly and can cause
    misunderstandings. Also please read notes carefully before jumping down
    peoples throats. 
    
    Also (and I am as guilty as everyone else) please qualify your source
    when replying with a statement of fact as this again can cause
    misunderstanding.
    
    Just trying to help
    
    Royston

    Just in case you missed it elsewhere:
    
    This conference has moved; and whilst moving I took the opportunity to
    split the conference. This is the 'LIVE' conference, containing all
    notes since 1 January 1990 (this incidently takes up  89,778 blocks).
    
    I've created TIMMII::CARS_UK_ARCHIVE which contains all notes up to
    6-jan-1990. this is for reference only and is thus READ-ONLY (this
    incidently takes up  35,121 blocks)
    
    Richard

My apologies for an interruption in service in the last hour or so... I 
did an autogen, and somehow an alloclass=0 slipped into the bottom of my 
modparams.dat. The result was I lost shadowing, and then couldn't recover 
as the second cluster member had different details of the disk identities.

Coming back together now!

P.S. in case you didn't know it, the cluster is made up of 2 MicroVAX 
3100's, TIMMII:: and TIMMEE::


Richard

    Just a thought.
    
    When posting prices in foreign currency in this notesfile could you
    also include an approx value in �'s or at least the conversion rate.
    
    We welcome noters from all over the globe but remember this is cars 'UK'.
    
    Thanks for your help and contribution to the notesfile.
    
    Royston
    
    (co mod)

    devide by 2 to get rough pound prices
    
    Paul

    Could I ask that all notes posted have a max line length of 80 chars.
    
    There appears to be a spate of notes recently in 'cinemascope'.
    
    Thanks
    
    Royston (co-mod)

Yes,  I'm a culprit too, its all these Windows based products.  If you can see the following set you 
create window to the same width.

                  1                  2                  3                  4                  5                  6                  
                  8
12345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890

Mod, does this look ok to you?  If not please let me know, and delete this message.

Peter. 

WELL!!

After entering it it does not even look right for me, 

Peter.

12345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890
                  1                  2                  3                  4                  5                  6                  
                  8

    Just set your column width to 79.

    I have both the Motif viewer and a DECterm-based window jobbie. I
    prefer to use the simple text-based notes viewer rather than the
    GUI-type one. Once you know all the commands and keypad, it's a lot
    quicker and easier to use (I think).
    
    Cheers,
    	Dan$who when he started at DEC had this problem too!

The keypad and commands all work with NetNotes - just like the
character cell interface, I just have to remember not to resize
the edit window when writing or replying - like I have done here!

- John.

Same place....different name

TIMMII::CARS_UK_ARCHIVE

Richard (Host & Mod)

		CONFERENCE AVAILABILITY ANNOUNCEMENT

	As a consequence of being evicted from our current place of residence, 
	and finding a squat in another location, this conference will suffer
	some interruption to service between friday and Monday. (25th to 28th)

	I'm actually hoping I can move the system Friday afternoon (UK time) so 
	it won't be off too long. The node address will not change.

	Richard  

	(I'm currently in DecPark 2 ground floor, but have to move to DecPark 1 
	D3)

    Thanks Richard for the communication and a BIG thanks for continuing
    to host this conference.
    
    Royston

		Move completed, System back on line OK....
			I'm going home I'm kn****d!


				Richard

Here's a suggestion I'll throw in, to see what others think.

I'm interested in motor-racing and read this conference as its
become the conference with most F1 discussion and a little Indy
Car notes exchange too.  However, I'm not personally interested in
the majority of the other UK Car topics and 'Next Unseen' through
them all.

There's already a motor-racing conference, OASS::RACERS, but it
seems to have less use lately.  How about using RACERS or creating
an F1 conference, to save folks like me some time ?  I thought
between seasons was a good time to bring this up :-}

Thoughts?
martin

  It would be nice to consolidate all the racing topics into one conf, but
  the majority of information about the F1 circus comes from our friends in
  the UK and Europe.  Forcing them to connect to the US to talk about it
  might cut back some of that flow.
  
  I don't mind connecting to CARS_UK to get the F1 info even though OASS is
  right down the hall.  It might be worth looking into mirroring the F1
  topics over to OASS on a daily basis,  but then you'd have to go to
  CARS_UK to post something.
  
  Dave (RACERS mod)

Hi Dave,

I wouldn't want to stem the flow of F1 noters by forcing them to 
connect to a US system.  How about an F1 conference based in the UK ?

I thought I'd throw the idea in and see the reaction, in case there were
hundreds of other readers in the same position as me.  Apparently not,
unless they automatically 'Next Unseen' through this note in the search
for the F1 notes and missed it!

Happy Holidays.
martin

re.31:

I've created VANGA::F1

Dave.

    As many of you will be off on Xmas hols shortly (We know ::RDAVIES is !)
    on behalf of CARS_UK moderators we wish you all well for the holidays.
    
    Drive safe. 
    
    Royston

Can we please direct further conference policy discussion to this
topic, rather than the Calibra DTM note?  WRT note titles, I agree
that such a change is probably unnecessary, but I, or I'm sure the
other moderators, would be happy to change it if someone really
wanted this.  Please refer any particular comments via mail to
the moderators, rather than arguing the toss in public.
Thanks,

Chris (CARS_UK co moderator)

    Please can you change the misleading title to note 722.
    I feel the current one implies to new noters that it's a discussion
    on the difference between a Nissan Stanza and a Nissan 300zx. If you
    read the first note and second note you'll see it was a small err on
    behalf of the original noter.
    
    I know it's not as common a vehicle as others in the conference, which
    have topics that get more scrutiny and cleaned up more speedily.
    
    Paul.
    

    re .35
    
    Done (see 2417.65)
    
    Royston

    Thanks  
    
    Paul, a 300zx enthusiast.

    As a matter of common courtesy if you are using a generic account
    or visitor account for noting could you please sign _all_ your notes
    or include your name in profile.
    
    Thanks
    
    Royston

Recently, a few naughty words have been creeping into peoples notes in
this conference (okay, I know I'm not totally immune from this accusation
myself!), but could we please tone it down slightly before it gets out
of hand...
Cheers,

Chris (co mod).

    Due to facilities and Health and safety performing electrical testing
    on appliances in the office. There's a chance they'll include VAX's and
    thus this service may well disapear temporarilly overnight  tonight and
    tomorrow night.
    
    Richard
    

Half my 3100 didn't power up first time after the test
in my area.

Simon

Sorry, seems my notice went in the wrong note string by mistake.

Anyway, it all came back up OK both mornings, and there are no further 
interruptions that I'm aware of. I was furious with the general mess 
my cube was left in, vandals coiuln't have made much more mess!.

Richard

    Thanks Richard for keeping us informed.
    
    Royston

Seems someone somehow did a create notesfile instead of a create 
entry or somesuch, and managed to generate a new version of this 
conference, hence it has appeared empty for some unknown time!

Fixed and back to normal now!, thanks Roy for pointing it out.

Richard

    Had me worried there for a moment :-)
    
    Can the directory be set up with protection so this doesn't happen
    again ?
    
    Thanks Richard for getting us back to normal.
    
    Royston

    Set the .NOTE file to version number 32767 and this will certainly stop
    anyone being able to generate a new version [on purpose or accident!]
    
    Dave

It is my sad duty to inform you that we have another member on the
moderating team, the infamous and unesteemed Miss Laurie Brown.

Chris.

> It is my sad duty to inform you that we have another member on the
> moderating team, the infamous and unesteemed Miss Laurie Brown.

    Oh dear, etc.

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                        I M P O R T A N T   N O T I C E
*******************************************************************************

Please note that this conference will be closed at 7pm today.  This is
in preparation for it to be transferred to its new home, COSME3:: (node
number 41.353)  It will be re-opened as soon as the transfer is complete.
This will also affect the CARS_UK archive file.
Regards,

Chris Hedley (CARS_UK co moderator)

    To confirm and expand on the previous note:
    
    As of yesterday I'm redundant (actually the jobs not redundant, but
    no-one can find continued funding!) Chris has kindly agreed to host
    this conference (and the archive of the older files
    CARS_UK_ARCHIVE.NOTE
    
    I'll leave a stub in here pointing to the new location, for as long as
    this node remains up after my leaving.
    
    Thanks to you all for the chats over the years. Good luck.
    
    Richard

Apologies for the hiccup in moving the conference last night, my network
connection into Colchester had other ideas, so the transfer didn't complete.
The conference will be moved later on today instead!

I'd also like to thank Richard for hosting and moderating the conference
until now, and wish him every success in the future.

Chris.

    Yes, thanks Richard for hosting it and for all your contributions
    to the conference and all the very best for the future.
    
    Royston

Good luck Richard

    So Loz aquires yet another noberator pip to his Dec Parade Suit !!!
    
    Oh dear....ETC!
    
    Shaun

>    So Loz aquires yet another noberator pip to his Dec Parade Suit !!!
    
you're only jealous because I didn't ask you, H'anus dearest, but I
feared that you'd moderate anyone who could spell (and didn't submit
notes written in terrible poetry!)

Chris.

    Good luck and all the best Richard.
    
    H'anus, go to your room!
    
    Laurie.

    Will Miss Brown be cutting out the snarfing of x00 notes then?

No, she'll just steal them all for herself.

Chris.

    That's a big Yo!

Any chance of getting the network database, for the node this conference is
hosted on, updated?

Thanks,
Dave.

>Any chance of getting the network database, for the node this conference is
>hosted on, updated?

a valid comment, it is rather out of date, which has been a constant source of 
irritation to me, amongst others no doubt.  I'll hassle IS to sort it out (I 
had my not strictly legal system privs removed ages ago)

Chris.

    Its nice to see a bit of life back in the conference lately with 
    some friendly banter and some test drive and new car updates.
    
    Royston

    A note will be posted shortly by the mods explaining in detail
    the situation but in the meantime can you be _very_ careful
    to avoid any negative comments about departments within Digital,
    Digital suppliers and other external organisations. This specifically
    includes references to Car Fleet, Lease Plan, Hertz, PHH and Garage
    Dealerships.

    This note is prompted because yet again we have had to delete a
    reply that was out of order.

    Royston

Can someone fix the node database on the host node please?

Thanks,
Dave.

>Can someone fix the node database on the host node please?

ah yes, it probably got rolled back to April, which is before it was fixed 
originally.  I'll try to scrounge the system password from someone.

Chris.

>Can someone fix the node database on the host node please?

okay, done.  (I didn't realise it'd take nearly 3 bleedin' hours, though!)

Chris.

re.66:

Thanks Chris.

Dave.
P.S. You can get the computer to do the work, might save you 2hrs 59mins next
time ;-)

>P.S. You can get the computer to do the work, might save you 2hrs 59mins next
>time ;-)

I did, but in retrospect, I reckon I could've typed in the database in less 
time!

Chris.

    Please welcome Clive "Balders" Summerfield as your new mod.
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

Welcome to CARS_UK.

Feel free to discuss all aspects of motoring. Although the conference is
UK-based we welcome noters world wide to contribute here.
  
This is an informal discussion-based forum but it also contains a lot of 
useful info that can be used as reference. For this reason we (the mods) 
ask that you search for and reply to an existing topic on your subject 
rather than just creating a new note on a subject which probably already 
exists.

Discussion and info about the Digital car scheme is in topic 2288, whilst
topic 2290 is reserved specifically for quotes only. Discussion of any
of the quotes posted should be done in topic 2288 with a pointer to show which
reply is being discussed. 

Garage and supplier info can be discussed and recommendations made.
However, in line with Corporate PP&P, it is very important that no 
derogatory comments are made regarding any specific individuals, companies 
or organisations. If you wish to post a warning about bad experience about 
service or work done, please make this a factual statement along the lines 
of "I would not use or recommend <so & so> as I was not happy with work 
that they carried out for the following reasons..."

On the other hand "<so & so> are a bunch of theiving wallies!" is unacceptable.

It must be understood that the moderators have no option but to delete any 
notes that include any form of insults or accusations. We (the mods) are 
held responsible for the information in this notesfile and reserve the 
right to remove any potentially offending material.

Enjoy !

    The mod team offers thanks to Simon French for offering the conference
    a home on TERRI::
    
    Cheers, Laurie.