Conference terri::cars_uk

But maybe the new engine won;t have the cutting out
problem in the current 16v or the problem where water
can get inside the engine and bend it.

Is this still a 2.0 litre or are they fitting the 1.8 16v
on Calibras now? (The one that goes on the 1.8 Astra GSi.



	Ian

    .0�    than the old engine, no problem. Wrong, the new engine is 136 bhp vs
    .0�    the 150 Bhp of the old engine and probably uses more petrol even though
    
    I'd think the new engine will need less petrol. My personal guess based
    on current manufacturers hot developments ...

    I have just had a phone call explaining all.
    
    The ECOTECH engine is 2L 16V and is supposed to be the most
    technologically advanced 16v in the world!  Ie it meets all EEC regs,
    the rest I will leave to your own judgment.
    
    
    		BHP	0-60   	30-50	TOP 	URBAN	56	75	
    
  	16V
  	OLD	150	7.5	7.5	137	27.2	48.7	39.2
    
  	16V
  	ECOTECH	136	8.5	7.5	131	26.9	47.1	38.7
        NEW
    
    
    	This slight difference will probably make no difference whatsoever
    	to the driving or the petrol costs so I'll go for it.
    
    	But I ask myself is this progress????????
    
    	Guy      	
                            

>    		BHP	0-60 
>	16V
>  	OLD	150	7.5


7.5 secs for a 16V Calibra??? Where did you get those figures
from then? A&M, What Car and Top Gear put the figure at 8.1
or 8.3 secs.


	Ian

    It says 7.5 in the Vauxhall glossies, and I actually clocked my Cavalier
    GSI at 7.2  secs to a genuine 60 mph.
    
    Anyway the point is the published Vauxhall figure is 1 sec slower
    for the new engine.
    
    
    Guy 	

    
    Cavaliers are quicker 0-60 than the Calibras. Calibras are much
    heavier.
    
    Re : The new 16v
    
    An engine that produces less power and uses more fuel isn't progress.
    
    
    The 16v 1.8 must be nearly that quick.
    
    Richard.

re.6:

> An engine that produces less power and uses more fuel isn't progress.

Maybe you can breathe what comes out of the exhaust?

Dave ;-)

    
    Re .6
    
    I always hear how heavy Calibras are (certainly they FEEL more
    substantial than Cavaliers), but here are some figures :
    
    Calibra 8v - Kerb weight 23.5 hundredweight
    Cavalier 2 litre Sri - Kerb weight 23.7 hundredweight
    
    Obviously the Calibra is NOT 'much heavier' than a Cavalier, in
    reality.
    
    Mark
    
    PS I always found my Calibra to feel quicker than the GSi Cavaliers 
    I drove.

    It's probably a marketing decision.  They might be trying to space out
    the 4 engine options a bit more evenly. At the moment the 8v outsells
    the 150bhp 16v by quite a margin.
    
    Huw.

    
    Also, take a look at the performance figures for the V6 Calibra. It's 
    actually SLOWER than the 150bhp 16v in some areas...
    
    Mark

    Chaps,
    
    It might also have a flatter power curve giving better power/torque at
    the kind of revs that most people use most of the time.
    
    Boring old Peter
    

Re.7

>>>re.6:

>>>> An engine that produces less power and uses more fuel isn't progress.

>>>Maybe you can breathe what comes out of the exhaust?
		 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>Dave ;-)

	You're not serious of course - I didn't see a smiley?

				Malcolm.

   > The ECOTECH engine is 2L 16V and is supposed to be the most
   > technologically advanced 16v in the world!  Ie it meets all EEC regs,
    
    
    I don't understand this statement, (It does have four cylinders,
    doesn't it ?).
    There are any number of 16V engines out there with *half* the capacity
    that could better 136bhp...
    
    Rob

    >     >>>Maybe you can breathe what comes out of the exhaust?
    >                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    >     >>>Dave ;-)
    >
    >             You're not serious of course - I didn't see a smiley?
    
    Malcolm, you seem to miss smileys very easily. What is that next to
    Dave's name ?
    
    Royston

    
    Yeah, c'mon!  I can see *that* smiley way over here in Canada!!
    
    :-)
    
    Brian
    

    
    RE.10
    
    The V6 may lack in some areas,but what a noise!!!
    
    
    Andy.
    

Dave, can you post an ascii version for those of us with cheapo terminals?  :(

Chris.

Humble apologies!  Must be going blind in me old age!

That's my excuse anyway!

It is even more embarassing, having as my Pre-Sales Tech. Support focus area
VXT 2000s (amongst other things!), and type in VTX instead and not realise it,
even when the rest of the group are taking the mickey for it!!!

				Malcolm. 8-(

The friendly man at Wadham Kenning told me that the 8 valve Cavalier SRI
has been discontinued.

The only SRI model will be a 2 litre 136hp 16 valve, available March 1994.

It will be interesting to see if this comes in at the same lease cost as
the 8 valve (any one got an order in the pipeline?) or whether the
level 8/9 allowance will be revised up to cover the extra cost?

/ian

re. 20;

>It will be interesting to see if this comes in at the same lease cost as
>the 8 valve (any one got an order in the pipeline?) or whether the
>level 8/9 allowance will be revised up to cover the extra cost?

Since the 8/9 allowance should have been based on the 16v version in
the first place, and the car changes were simply a way to reduce costs,
I don't think there is much chance of this.

(Cost of 16V is base + 1170...)

Peter.

    
    I have a 2.0 16v eng in my new cavalier Aug-95 and it has suffered from
    the following problem, which the mechanic told me was "a normal"
    problem with this version of the "crapalier"....
    
    When driving, the correct way !, round roundabouts or right hand
    corners of various radius a metallic rubbing/gratting noise can be
    heard.  Turns out to be the exaust box comming loose/dropping off
    @!#@$#!.  Know common problem on this engine size.
    
    To test:  drive round a roundabout and "load" up the rear end and
    listen....
    
    Anybody else suffered/suffering from this ????
    
    Regards,
    
    - MARK -
    

    Yep. changed into a loud drumming eventually. now after "adjustment"
    it just buzzes a bit...
    
    Matt.

    
    Mine still "buzzes a little too....
    
    Also noticed last night that the clutch pedal squeaks now, just about
    every time I take my foot of it.... driving me up the wall!!!!
    
    Anybody else got this, or any other "features" I need to be aware of??
    
    Regards,
    
    - MARK -
    

    >> Also noticed last night that the clutch pedal squeaks now, just about
    >> every time I take my foot of it.... driving me up the wall!!!!
    
    surely this is why they fit a Radio ?

    
    Tried that.... I can still here the F#$$%^$ squeak.... and it's STILL
    P%$%%$ me off !!!
    
    _ MARK -

    Try WD-40 the wonder fluid...
    :-)
    
    Matt.

 >Try WD-40 the wonder fluid...
 >   :-)
  
It might actually work in the short term, but it will dry up quickly and leave
the squeak.  Try some silicon spray or something similar that will stick around
longer.

Dave