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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

2004.0. "No Use Hard Shoulder" by NMS::MUDAN (Open My Jawari . . .) Tue Jan 26 1993 13:20

    Couldn't find a Note on this, although I thought there used to
    be one, sometime ago. . .
    
    Anyways, what exactly does, "Use Hard Shoulder", mean ? Surely
    there should be some distinction between, "Use Hard Shoulder"
    and "No Hard Shoulder".
    
    On Friday, M1 bound, on the M25 from Heathrow, I saw many near
    misses of what would have been major smash ups ! Not only *on*
    the Hard Shoulder but due to many swerves onto the Left Lane.
    
    It seems that some people see the sign, "Use Hard Shoulder", as 
    a command and, at the risk of being fined, promptly park and do 
    whatever they think they're allowed to do on the Hard Shoulder.
    
    Surely there should be a better protocol where there are Lane 
    Closures ?
    
    Cheers,
    
    
    	Jagdeep.
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2004.1KERNEL::FISCHERITonight I fancy myselfTue Jan 26 1993 13:316
I thought it was pretty obvious. It means use the hard shoulder as a normal
driving lane. I find that most people tend to ignore this and drive in the left hand 
lane thus causing unnecessary congestion. They are usually the people who
then move directly into the middle lane again when the roadworks have ended.

Ian
2004.2UPROAR::EVANSGGwyn Evans @ IME - Open DECtrade -> DTN 769-8108Tue Jan 26 1993 14:0411
    .0�    It seems that some people see the sign, "Use Hard Shoulder", as 
    .0�    a command and, at the risk of being fined, promptly park and do 
    .0�    whatever they think they're allowed to do on the Hard Shoulder.
    
    	Well, with the roadworks being on my route between work & home, I
    go through them regularly but I've not seen anyone parking on the
    hard-shoulder yet.  What you may have seen, if I understand you
    correctly, is someone broken down and waiting for the free tow-truck to
    arrive.  Normally, the main problem is as .1 says, with drivers coming
    from the M4 onto the M25 and immediately pulling into the (busy) old
    lane 1 when the hard shoulder that they're already in is clear.
2004.3No == Don't StopNMS::MUDANOpen My Jawari . . .Wed Jan 27 1993 08:178
    .-1,
    
    FWIW, I was travelling on the M25 at 21:00 on Friday. From my
    viewpoint most of the parked vehicles looked OK. 
    
    I think it would be much better if the "No Hard Shoulder" sign 
    was used instead.
2004.4UPROAR::EVANSGGwyn Evans @ IME - Open DECtrade -> DTN 769-8108Wed Jan 27 1993 09:397
    .3�    FWIW, I was travelling on the M25 at 21:00 on Friday. From my
    .3�    viewpoint most of the parked vehicles looked OK. 
    
     Interesting. That's a few (~3) hours later than I travel through and
    sounds quite different. If it had been summer then I'd have suspected
    a rave party... Must just have been all the weekend drivers confused by
    all the cones...
2004.5YUPPY::RAVENWed Jan 27 1993 21:437
Tonight there were about 100+ dead sheep on the hard shoulder of the M25 
between the M4 and M40 , where the roadworks are at the moment .
A lorry carrying dead animal bits to be burnt had turned over ....
The sheep had seemed to have rotted into a black sludge .


                    KR
2004.6KERNEL::FISCHERITonight I fancy myselfThu Jan 28 1993 09:117
Thank you for sharing that with us. I was about to get breakfast, but I
don't think I'll bother now!




	Ian
2004.7Shoulder of Mutton?NSDC::SIMPSONThe future sure isn't what it used to beThu Jan 28 1993 09:370
2004.8YUPPY::RAVENThu Jan 28 1993 10:263
Yes it put me off lamb for life .

                     KR
2004.9??CHEFS::LEEBThu Jan 28 1993 11:035
    
    Selling the wellies then ?
    
    BL
2004.10Some peoples logic.CMOTEC::JASPERThu Jan 28 1993 11:587
    presumably, there must be SOME drivers, who when confronted with the
    sign Use Both Lanes, drive down the centre line 8-)
    
    Or Heathrow, Take Left Lane, could end up some where they dont want to
    be.
    
    TJ
2004.11KERNEL::FISCHERITonight I fancy myselfThu Jan 28 1993 13:014
Surely Use Both Lanes would mean that you should straddle across the
white lines!

	Ian
2004.12very tricky at times ;-)SIOG::KANEThe clot, thickens...Thu Jan 28 1993 13:042
    
    In and out of those cones...
2004.13YUPPY::RAVENThu Jan 28 1993 14:2310
    
;    In and out of those cones...


Some do exactly that when they are in wrong lane 
and wanted to take the turn off from the M25 to the M4 and suddenly realize 
after NOT reading the six or seven signs the lanes are going to split .


                         KR
2004.14Car driving can be fun!UTROP1::BOSMAN_PFri Jan 29 1993 12:0010
    ..in..out..in.., you mean...you'r not supposed to??? I always thought 
    they were left there by Top-gear testers. It's all starting to make
    more sense now, that's why the other lane makes so good driving whilst 
    the other is jammed! Also they, the cones, make real funny rumbling sounds.
    
                      
    Btw, perhaps the cars fell off a lorry carrying them to be demolished
    too!
    
    Peter
2004.15been there.....PEKING::SMITHRWErr.....Fri Jan 29 1993 13:387
    The cones go sort of bop-bop-bop off the passenger mirror, and
    scraaaaaaaaaaaaaape when they're wedged underneath....
    
    
    Richard