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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

1969.0. "VW carburettor icing" by NEWOA::SAVILLE_J () Thu Dec 17 1992 09:10

Hello all,

	has anyone out there ever had carburettor-icing problems with
VW cars at all? - my Scirroco st-st-st-stutters quite badly at times,
particularly it seems when it's cold and damp. It's an '85 model. My
local has told me that they are prone to this problem - but didn't seem
to do a very good job overcoming it.

	Sound familiar to any of you Scirroco/Golf/Passat etc drivers 
out there ?



Jonathan
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1969.1gunged up carb?WELCLU::HEDLEYLock up your wildebeest, it's the RCC!Thu Dec 17 1992 10:596
I had a similar problem with a couple of Polos (mks I and II).  This
was usually cured by cleaning the carb out.  The problem appeared to
occur when the fuel had been allowed to get pretty low, so I assume
this caused the gunge in the fuel tank to clog the carb.

Chris.
1969.2:^)ULYSSE::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584Thu Dec 17 1992 13:267
    All fliers know that carbs can ice under certain atmospheric conditions. 
    2 ways to overcome this:
    
    1. pull the anti-ice lever (only on airplanes)
    2. push throttle to flat-out
    
    I think you have no other choice than no 2 .... 
1969.3I'm at 0' aglNEWOA::SAVILLE_JThu Dec 17 1992 15:495
yes ok... I fly too, but my Scirroco doesn't. My Alfa has a summer and winter
setting for the air-intake, as do some Peugeots I believe. Naturally my VW
is not so equipped - any other suggestions?

Jonathan
1969.4I may be automatic ...KERNEL::FLANDERSDI remember the look in your eyeThu Dec 17 1992 19:516
Many VWs have automatic (temperature controlled) switch over from summer to 
winter air intakes. Our old (1983) and our new  (1990) Polos both have this 
feature. It might be worth checking

Dave F
1969.5Problem solvedUNTADH::WILCOCKSONI wanna go homeFri Dec 18 1992 08:255
    
    
    Jonathon, might I suggest you sell the bloody thing and buy something
    half decent!
    An Integrale perhaps :^)
1969.6CURRNT::CARSONFri Dec 18 1992 17:132
    Or perhaps a Supra... :-)
    
1969.7Invest in precious metal:VWSEDOAS::MAYNARDWed Dec 23 1992 10:179
    RE .1  I have just bought an 85 scirocco GT and it suffers the same
    problem only when cold. My dad has an 85 golf which also does the same
    apparantly this is a trademark on VW's.
    
    I will look for the Summer/Winter setting later.
    
                          Cheers
    
                                  Trev
1969.8Does this sound like Carb icing?AYOV14::LLEVYFri Jan 29 1993 11:4721
    RE .1  I have an 1989 VW Golf Driver and it seems to run OK for about 
    20 miles at about 70mph and then starts to loose power and stutter. It 
    also seems to drink petrol. I had a lot of problems with dirt in my
    fuel tank previously. The garage I took it to said that they thought the 
    problem was carb icing. The reason given  was the connection between
    the exhaust and carb was broken so the required heat was not being 
    transferred to the carb.  The problem is still there.
    
    My questions are:-
    
    1) Does this sound like carb icing or something else?
    
    2) Would this cause my fuel consumption to be dramatically worse? (ie 20MPG)
    
    3) Why does it only occur after the car has been running for 10-15
       minutes at speed?
    
    Appreciate any guidance,
                
    		Lionel
    
1969.9Not a ridiculous diagnosis...PEKING::SMITHRWErr.....Fri Jan 29 1993 14:0724
    I had this problem ( or something quite like it ) on my BX.  How I
    eventually figured it out was, I had a gap in the gasket along the side
    of the float chamber.  As the air pressure through the system
    downstream of the air filter is lower than atmospheric, air was leaking
    into the float chamber through this gap.  On the twin-choke Weber
    fitted to the BX, there's a hole at the top of the float chamber for
    pressure equalization.  I believed that there was a flow through this
    hole of air from the leak and also fuel it had scooped up.  When I
    changed the gasket, the problem disappeared.  However, I smashed the
    car up on the test drive, so this might not be conclusive....
    
    However.....
    
    If your hot-air hose is not delivering, carb icing is a real
    possibility, and not necessarily just in below-zero temperatures.  The
    evaporation of fuel cools things down very nicely, thanks.  Have you
    fixed the hose?
    
    The old air-cooled flat fours are notorious ice generators, so most
    mechanics tend to say "carb ice" by reflex with VWs.
    
    
    Richard
    
1969.10not likelyULYSSE::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584Sat Jan 30 1993 11:3110
    .8�    RE .1  I have an 1989 VW Golf Driver and it seems to run OK for about 
    .8�    20 miles at about 70mph and then starts to loose power and stutter. It 
    
    .8�    1) Does this sound like carb icing or something else?
    
    No. Carb icing appears when throttle is running idle or partially open.
    When running wide open, the carb will not ice.
    
    What you describe sounds more like some air leak that only appears when
    the engine reaches operating temperature. Not an unusual case.