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Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
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1848.0. "WSCC 1993" by ULYSSE::CHEVAUX (Patrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584) Wed Jul 29 1992 18:51

    The current thinking is to merge:
    
    - 1992 3.5litre WSCC cars (Peugeot, Toyota, etc ...)
    - 1992 European Cup cars
    - GT cars
    
    The definition of GT cars is still being worked but here are the
    guidelines:
    
    	- production level (200 cars ? total ? per year ?)
    	- 450bhp max power
    
    Candidates: Porsche 959, Ferrari F40, Lambo Diablo, Jag XJ220
    
    If they lower the minimum production level they could get XJR15's and
    Venturi 400.
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1848.1add McL ?ULYSSE::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584Thu Jul 30 1992 09:394
    At the recent FISA meeting in Heathrow, Gordon Murray was present and
    actively discussing rules.
    
    We may see McLarens in the GT class !
1848.2Race length?EUSEBE::STURTTotally wiredMon Aug 03 1992 14:007
    
    What about race length? Still a feeble 500km or a return to 1000km?
    
    By the way, Mclaren will have to do something with their astonishingly
    expensive white elephant.
    
    Ed.
1848.3no 1993 WSCCULYSSE::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584Thu Oct 15 1992 14:3615
    The annual grand FISA convention took place last week (7/8/9 Oct) in
    Paris. Very few things to report except:
    
    - Max Mosley re-elected for 4 years (no other candidate)
    - WSCC definitely cancelled with no complaints from the traditional
      WSCC champions (Peugeot, Toyota, Mazda)
    
    With no WSCC championship we're back into the ENDURANCE racing with a
    few 12h, 24h, or 1000km races (Le Mans, Daytona, etc ...). Rather than
    having to comply with the stupid WSCC rules each organising club will
    have its own rules like in the good old days. Le Mans should see the
    return of the great cars that have made it so famous. No more 3.5 ltr
    bodied-F1 things anymore. 
    
    Welcome back GT and endurance racing ! 
1848.4I'd like to see some real carsESBS01::RUTTERRut The NutThu Oct 15 1992 14:4611
�    have its own rules like in the good old days. Le Mans should see the
�    return of the great cars that have made it so famous. No more 3.5 ltr
�    bodied-F1 things anymore. 
    
    So what sort of vehicles will comply for Le Mans now then ?
    
    F40/Diablo/Bugatti/XJ220 ?
    
    Anything to prevent the 'F1-cars-with-bodywork' from continuing ?
    
    J.R.
1848.5Anything (almost) goes at Le Mans.NEWOA::SAXBYMean and Brooklands Green!Thu Oct 15 1992 14:5416
    >>                   -< I'd like to see some real cars >-
    
    >>    F40/Diablo/Bugatti/XJ220 ?
    
    No connection there then! :^)
    
    The rules released by the ACO a while back included things like the
    F40/Diablo/Bugatti/XJ220s as well as cars complying to the 1990 Group C
    regs (Turbos/Stock blocks/3.5s/whatever, but tied to fuel consumption
    regs - I don't know whether fuel consumption was part of the ACOs
    rules), enclosed bodied F3000 cars (known as Le Mans Spyders, a generic
    group, rather than a specific model), plus IMSA. 
    
    More or less open house as in the old days.
    
    Mark
1848.6ULYSSE::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584Thu Oct 15 1992 15:027
    Mark has summed it up perfectly.
    
    .5�    >>    F40/Diablo/Bugatti/XJ220 ?
    
    Yes. F40's are already racing in Italy. Several Bugatti customers have
    asked the factory to have their car prepared for Le Mans. Don't know
    about Lambo and Jaguar. Several Venturi 400 will be there too.
1848.7NEWOA::SAXBYMean and Brooklands Green!Thu Oct 15 1992 15:058
    
    A couple of F40s also race in the UK. Never seen a Diablo racing,
    though and I've never even seen a Bugatti or XJ200!
    
    Mark
    
    PS If the plans come about you'll probably see a Marcos racing at Le
    Mans in 1994!
1848.8ROMA::BURDEN_D&#039;24 Stude - The only way to TourThu Oct 15 1992 15:173
    Will the chicanes now be removed at Le Mans?
    
    Dave
1848.9KAOOA::LAVIGNEThu Oct 15 1992 15:349
    Patrick,
    
    These racing F 40's, are these the factory made LM's or are these
    privately sponsored F 40's that have been individually prepared.
     
    I'd love to see the factory get behing the F 40.
    
    regards,
    JP
1848.10LM me thinksVIVIAN::G_COOMBERGet on yer bad motor scooter and rideThu Oct 15 1992 16:0812
    I've seen some of these supercar races on sky or whatever satallite tv
    channel it was . The F40 looked like the the LM type. I say that based
    on the windows, The normal road going has plain glass door windows, the
    LM type has the perspex type windows with the sliding panel. And also 
    the LM has a distinctly different rear wing.
    
    On the Le Mans front, a full grid would be nice. Anything is better
    that the feable attempt this year. I have been going for some years and
    it was very noticable the that the crowd low very much smaller. Poor
    Weather or not , it was very low by comparison.
    
    Garry
1848.11ULYSSE::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584Mon Oct 19 1992 16:4214
    .9�    These racing F 40's, are these the factory made LM's or are these
    .9�    privately sponsored F 40's that have been individually prepared.
    
    I haven't seen the ACO rules but I bet they will favour the
    individually prepared road cars. The current thinking is to limit the
    peak power to 400-450 bhp. Aerodynamics will be subject to preparation,
    a minimum weight will be published (1100 kg ?)
    
    By the way, the LM was a development that Maranello did for Ferrari
    France. Ferrari never really got involved. A few months ago I had
    dinner with Jean Sage (team mgr of the F40 LM team) who explained the
    whole thing. Ferrari are part of the Fiat group and as such their only
    area of influence is F1 and only F1. No right to compete otherwise
    (Lancia, Alfa) 
1848.12ULYSSE::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584Mon Oct 19 1992 16:456
    .10�   on the windows, The normal road going has plain glass door windows, the
    
    It depends on what F40 model you ordered and what serial number you
    got. Early models had perspex only. Later models offered a choice of 
    glass (winding) or perspex. Air conditioning, adjustable ride height
    became available as extra. 
1848.13ULYSSE::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584Mon Oct 19 1992 16:464
    .10�    On the Le Mans front, a full grid would be nice. Anything is better
    .10�    that the feable attempt this year. I have been going for some years and
    
    They expect 60-80 cars in 1993.