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Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

1674.0. "Mig Welding Expert Wanted!!" by ESSB::DOODY () Mon Jan 27 1992 16:34

    I am currently restoring a 1967 AH Sprite, and have just bought a
    3E Mig/Mag Welder. This is an industrial quality unit which
    carries an indulstrial purchase price.
    3 controls: Power (4 settings) , Wire feed (0-7cm/sec), Spot weld
    timer. 
    
    I have a few questions.
    
    1) when welding say .8mm over 1.5mm should the setting be
       different than for .8mm vs .8mm
    
    2) I have found that the slower the speed the hotter the weld
       (within the speed range where welding can occur for a particular
        thickness) is this supposed to be the case.
    
    3) When vertical welding (downhand) it feel it needs a slower speed
       ???
    
     I am producing good welds with this but find that at the start of a
     job the welds are scrappy because I have my settings slightly wrong
     even though I have bench set them up.
    
     I suppose that i am looking for rules of thumb for Mig welders.
    
     Any knowledgeable welders out there?
    
    
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1674.1My COMICS::COOMBERInverted Flight ExpertMon Jan 27 1992 17:0138
    I can't say that I'm an expert , but I have done my fair ( unfair? )
    share of welding. As a rule of thumb I tend to set the gas at 10-12
    ltr/min and run a moderate wire speed. If welding car body panels it
    becomes fairly obvious if the wire speed is too slow, You melt holes in
    things. And also for that application I tend to keep it at a low power
    setting. I normally use .6mm wire . The other thing that can cause
    scrappy starting point but very good quality welding from there on is
    to do with the gas. I only use BOC argosheild TC, I have great
    difficulty getting welding to my satisfaction with Co2. Little 1 or 2
    kilo bottles from halford are a waste of time and money.
    
    The only other thing that I can think of that may account for poor
    start is the welder it's self. If you have paid a lot of money I hope
    this is not so ,but a lot of the welders on the market have a single
    stage trigger in the torch. This means that when you pull the trigger,
    you get wire straight away with the gas to follow. You need the gas
    straight away with the wire to follow. I know for sure the BOC turbo
    mig 130 and the SNAP-ON version both have the 2 stage trigger. Having
    said that it is less of a problem at slow speeds , so it may not be
    your problem. 
    
    
    	As a final word, if you don't have a large cylinder of gas,
    preferably argosheild tc, and will be doing a lot of welding, get to a
    BOC cylinder centre of the like and rent 1. it is by far the cheapest
    way to go. Annual rental ant the moment for a B size is �22.85 and the
    refill charge is about �16 ( including vat and handling charge) and a
    mini-mig gas conversion (regulator,gauge and hose) is about �30.
    
    
    	I'm sure that someone out there will can do better than me ,but I
    hope it helps. Best thing is to get a couple of bits of scrap and give
    it a go and see what settings seem to be best.
    
    
    Good luck 
    
    Garry
1674.2GVA05::STIFFPaul Stiff, DSSR, DTN:821-4167Tue Jan 28 1992 07:1512
    The only things I might add to -.1 are:
    
    - Make sure the welding surfaces are absolutely clean, free of paint
      and rust.
    
    - Make sure the two pieces of metal are in firm contact, and that the
      current return clamp is also to unpainted metal.
    
    It seems perfectly obvious, but those were often the problems I had
    when welding a Spitfire that should probably have been scrapped...
    
    Paul
1674.3Keep on truckingESSB::DOODYWed Jan 29 1992 09:1117
    Paul, Garry
    
    Thanks for your replies,
    
    I think it's a 2 stage torch (at least the gas comes immediately)
    its brand is Bizel (I'll check tonight).
    The whole welder exudes a 'High Quality' feeling
    from the finish on the casing to the type of castors attached.
    Yes I am using BOC Argoshield tc C/W I stage BOC regulator, and .6mm
    wire. I suppose the problem I had was that I hadnt made the connection
    in my mind between slow speed == Higher temperature at metal (I suppose
    it's fairly obvious when I think about it!!)
    
    Anyway, I will keep on trucking, 
    
    Thanks,
      Brian (forgot to put my name on initial note)