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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

1639.0. "Super (unlimited) Cars" by ULYSSE::CHEVAUX (Patrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584) Thu Jan 02 1992 10:37

This topic (unlike the previous one) is open to all sorts of super cars
without restrictions: one-off protos only displayed at auto shows, crazy
cars made by crazy engineers, cars that may not be driven on open roads,
...

Candidates:	- Jaguar XJR15
		- Porsche 962 (Koenig, Kremer, Schuppan, ...)
		- Audi AVUS
		- Mercedes C112
		- ....

Unlimited !
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1639.1Derek's Skateboard :-)FUTURS::WATSONRik WatsonThu Jan 02 1992 10:451
    
1639.2It looked beautifulFUTURS::WATSONRik WatsonThu Jan 02 1992 10:507
    A 4WD prototype Ferrari spotted (by CAR Mag.) on the back of a trailer
    some years ago (when the 348GT% was being tested).
    
    This car (name / number unknown) was though to be powered by the 2.8L
    twin turbo engine from the 288 GTO had a front which looked like a NSX
    and a rear like a 308. It was much shorter that a 3%8 but about the
    same width.
1639.3the 408 ?ULYSSE::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584Thu Jan 02 1992 13:488
    .2�    A 4WD prototype Ferrari spotted (by CAR Mag.) on the back of a trailer
    
    Do you mean the 408 ?  of which 2 prototypes were built (1 yellow, 1
    red). The 408 was never intended to become a road Ferrari (they hate
    4WD) it was more a design exercise for Mauro Forghieri's newly created
    Ferrari Engineering. Besides 4WD the 408 had a 4litre V8 and most of
    the protos were built of plastic, carbon/kevlar compounds, etc ... The
    only thing that might appear some day is the 408 engine.
1639.4FUTURS::WATSONRik WatsonThu Jan 02 1992 14:2412
    It could well have been a 408, the article which described it was very
    short but now you mention it it did state Kevlar (49?) construction and
    could well have been 4litre� V8. The car was red - do they do other
    colours :-)
    
    This car is my favourate looking Ferrari - including the 288GTO and
    250LM.
    
    	Rik
    
    �Isn't 4 litres a bit too big for a V8 ? I thought you wandered out of some
    ``ideal'' envelope at 3.6L or so ?
1639.5figuresULYSSE::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584Thu Jan 02 1992 14:327
    .4�    �Isn't 4 litres a bit too big for a V8 ? I thought you wandered out of some
    .4�    ``ideal'' envelope at 3.6L or so ?
    
    It depends on which side of the Atlantic you are ... 8-)  I remember
    some 289 or 427 engines. Now don't tell me about the 302.
    
    My preferred capacity is 250cc per cylinder ...
1639.6Not a bad super car for its time :-)FUTURS::WATSONRik WatsonThu Jan 02 1992 14:363
    How may litres was the V16 BRM sewing machine ?
    
    	Rik
1639.7SUBURB::TAYLORGRIP: Freddie Murcury 24-nov-1991Thu Jan 02 1992 15:185
    The Callaway Corvette is a petty mean beast with 5.7 Litre V8  Twin
    Turbo ZR-1 engine (standard ZR-1 engine produces 380+BHP) and a Top
    speed of 254MPH.
    
    Grant
1639.84 litres too big?EEMELI::JMANNINENIKnowIt'sTrue'causeISawItOnVTFri Jan 03 1992 06:309
    re .4
    
    >   �Isn't 4 litres a bit too big for a V8 ? I thought you wandered out
    >   of some ``ideal'' envelope at 3.6L or so ?
     
    How about Cadillac's ~500cid V8s in the good ol' '70s? Isn't that
    something like 8 litres? ;^)
    
    - Jyri -
1639.9Definately a race engineMARVIN::CASELLSFri Jan 03 1992 07:116
Re .6

Do you mean the 1950s design BRM 1.5 litre V16 ?


Mark.
1639.10Re.9 YesFUTURS::WATSONRik WatsonFri Jan 03 1992 08:551
    
1639.11What a big lavy V8!SUBURB::TAYLORGRIP: Freddie Murcury 24-nov-1991Mon Jan 06 1992 11:576
    re.8
    
    Yes That is 8.2 Litres as fitted to the Cadilac Eldorado the biggest
    production car engine in the world & it only produced around 400BHP.
    
    Grant 
1639.12PSW::WINALSKICareful with that VAX, EugeneMon Jan 06 1992 16:286
RE: .11

Yes, and it got about 5 miles/(U.S.) gallon.  You needed an engine like that
to pull a tank like the old Caddie Eldorado around the road.

--PSW
1639.13had enough torgue to be a tractor down on the 'ol farm...SKIWI::EATONMarketing - the rubber meets the skyTue Jan 07 1992 08:400
1639.14If anyone has seen Wraith then...SUBURB::TAYLORGRIP: Freddie Mercury 24-Nov-1991Fri Jan 10 1992 22:5910
    Here is a pretty wicked one-off special
    
    The Dodge M45 built by the Dodge division of Chrysler Corporation and 
    PPG.  It was a one off Pro Car Indy Car World Series. 
    
    It is powered by the 2.2Litre Dodge engine with a 16-Value Cosworth
    cylinder head and Twin Garret T25 Turbochargers and it produces 440BHP &
    has a top speed of 200MPH.
    
    Grant