Conference terri::cars_uk

Shouldn't this be in EF91?

/Dave.

    Can't say I noticed Nige being called English except when mention was
    made of the new English record - this is an English record for number
    of GP wins, not British.
    
    Maybe we should be called Europeans?  Definately for EF91 now!

Mansell broke Moss' English record for number of wins. However a certain well
known Scot has about 10 more wins, so Mansell has a long way to go to get the
British record.

I suspect most Europeans could care less about sub-national records like Moss'

/. Ian .\

    
    re .0
    
    Didn't I hear Mansell himself say he was proud 'as an Englishman' to
    overtake Moss' record ?
    
    Paul (from the Isle of Man)

This is a very old debate...

Sports commentators always do this, almost subconsciously:

English person does well -> (English) commentator says "English"
English person does badly -> commentator says "British"
Scottish/Welsh/NI person does well -> commentator says "British"
Scottish/Welsh/NI person does badly -> commentator says "Scottish/Welsh/NI"

Not fair really...

Scott

    
    
    Being a British citizen, of Scottish nationality, I would love to 
    see Nigel Mansel "or any Brit", break Jackie Stewarts record for grand
    prix wins. Somehow though, I don't think think that old Nigel has the
    ability to do it, which is another reason for the English commentators
    NOT to put him up on a pedestal too quickly...only to be shot down
    again!
    
    As far as I am concerned, he is not in the same class as Stewart, Hill,
    Clark and the likes, who's driving abilities helped to shape the world of
    grand prix driving. To state facts like" the best English driver" only 
    belittles Nigel Mansels, and the true great Brits, influence on the British
    and world grand prix racing arena.
    
    Yes he is good, but there is a long way from being good to great!!
    
    John. 
    
                        

Ahhh Gi'day...�

			 Go directly to Yugoslavia.

    
    Bring back Eddie "the Eagle" Edwards.......
    

    Should it not read Eddie "the English eagle" Edwards....
    
    Rather him than me......I hope he does well next season. 
    
    

    The last time Eddie put himself in hospital for a few weeks (two
    seasons ago?) the skiing authorities introduced new rules to
    effectively ban amateurs who when they fly off a big hill can't
    guarantee which way up they will land.
    
    So, until he learns how to ski jump properly, no more Eddie the Eagle!
    
    Brian

    What a pity....could his chin (landing gear) not take the strain?
    
    I bet old Nigel-M could do it though. I've no doubt that 'somebody'
    would say that because Nigel tried it, he should be eligible for
    another Grand Prix Win, therby taking him over the 'driving' record set by 
    'David Demon Dixon'....the Derbyshire car thief, THE only guy capable
    of evading to cops 17 times!!
    
    

	In the post race interview Mansell expressed himself as
	being "overcome" at "having made history", so there is at
	least one person who thinks it matters.

	-John

Wasn't Moss the driver with the most Grand Prix wins, who had not managed to
win a world championship? Perhaps not a mantle that Mansell would be so happy
to wear.

Terry

    
    Of course it matters to him. I too would be "overcome" if I had driven
    to my 17th grand prix win. It is a good personal performance.......but, as 
    for making "history", it all depends on your definition of history, does it
    not? 
    
    My budgie lived for 17 years, possibly it too made "history".   
     
    

I don't know for sure but I would be willing to bet that if you checked through
the results of all moderen GPs and compared the driver results, Mansell would
be amongst the best.

How many GPs did The Shunt win?

/Dave.

    For the record: GRAND PRIX WINS
    
    Jackie Stewart    (27) 
    
    Jim Clark         (25)
    
    Nigel Mansel      (17)            
    
    Rod Stewart       (0)
    
    Johnathan Palmer  (0)  << WHO??????
    
                                   

    
    Re .14 and before
    
    Why make so much fuss about this? Mansell, an Englishman, broke
    an English record. He didn't break the Scottish record, nor did
    he break the British record. 
    
    In other sports, like athletics, there are English, Scottish,
    Welsh AND British records so why not in Motor Racing too?
     
    Richard.

    

     re .16
    
    :-) :-) :-) 
    
    brill..!!!

    Perhaps old Nigel was so happy at his new ENGLISH record because he
    knows himself that he will never be a World Champion far less a British
    record holder.

    
    I heard that he was so angry, that he could not get the gearbox in the
    Williams to break this time. Apparently he was spotted with a 15lb hammer
    just before the race started....interesting!!!!!
    
    Anyhow, he has promised all the fans (all 10 of them), that he will retire 
    with gearbox trouble at next weeks British GP!
    
    Go for it Nigel...

    re a number i've read over the few weeks.
    
    I presume you would be happier if he was the traditional 'it's not the
    winning but the taking part' type of Englishman wouldn't you.
    
    It's that sort of attitude which first of all led to the decline of the
    Empire, and a steady deterioration in Britains standing in the world
    during the 50's, 60's and 70's.  The attitude of 'someone else can do
    it', 'Jobsworth' etc.
    
    
    Nigel

    
    I used to share a house with a Scotsman for 2� years (in the early 70s)
    and he made this same observation.
    
    So, we conducted a sort of survey when watching the box for the number
    of times any individual or event was (to our knowledge) misrepresented
    with regard their/its nationality. This would include the
    Scots/English/British thing as well as any others we noticed such as
    Canadian/American, Indian/Pakistani, US/English etc.
    
    The only conclusion we came to was that Scotsmen are no more
    misrepresented than anyone else. A good example was Pop Groups. Most
    non-English speakers used to (and probably still do) think that people
    like the Hollies, Who, Herman's Hermits etc were American. In fact I
    have known such people think that the Beatles were the ONLY pop group
    of the 60s to come out of Britain!
    
    Closer to the conference topic. The other point Scotsmen used to make
    was concerning the comparison of roads (the fact that the M6 stopped at
    Carlisle). True, but in 1972 I could drive from Ayr to Stirling on dual
    carriageway for 90% of the way. I could not identify anywhere in
    England where (that wasn't served by motorways, and remember there
    wasn't many motorways then!) that you drive a similar distance on such
    good roads.
    
    Richard

re .22  The other advantage of Scottish roads is that the scenery is nicer...

Scott

    On an interesting rambling aside - I've noticed a really wierd sort of
    inverted snobbery about living and driving in the South-East. I
    sometimes find myself boasting about things which we really should be
    ashemed off. For example, on returning home to Edinburgh;
    
    "Call that a traffic jam?! Why, if I don't get on the M25 before 7AM I
    might as well just give up and go home. It has millions of lanes, you
    know ... None of this 4-lane motorway nonsense. What do you mean, you
    don't need more?"
    
    So that proggie on telly last night about Jumbo jets and concorde? I
    must admit, its pretty impressive sight when driving along the M4 and
    Concorde flies over. Perhaps that should be in the Seen in Passing
    note?
    
    Which reminds me, I've always wondered. If Concorde is flying away from
    you, at Supersonic speed, does that mean you can't hear it ....
    
    Dougie
    

    
    You can't hear where it is, just where it was! :^)
    
    
    
    I think!
    
    Mark

    But you can never hear something where it is if it's moving (unless
    you're in/on it)
    
    Rob

    
    What about if you're in front of it? Will you hear it where it's going
    to be?
    
    Mark

just to spoil the current thread, Concord doesn't go supersonic whilst over the
mainland. I believe it does its thing at the end of the Bristol chanel. Can
someone confirm this.


Simon

    
    Yep, Concorde is not allowed to go supersonic over land.
    
    
    
    Or so I've heard... :^)
    
    Mark

�    Yep, Concorde is not allowed to go supersonic over land.
    
    There was a small article in the paper on Monday which described
    a 'DIY supersonic plane' for about �150,000.
    
    This basically consisted of a jet engine, with wings and a pair
    of seats connected to it.  The all-up weight was designed so that
    it can be flown on a Private Pilots License.
    
    In the article it did state that it is against flying regulations
    to travel overland at supersonic speeds.  That will also apply to Concorde.
    
    J.R.

    
    Errr, how are you supposed to breath in/on this thing at supersonic 
    speeds?
    
    Mark

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    I certainly think it would be...
    
�    Errr, how are you supposed to breath in/on this thing at supersonic 
�    speeds?
    
    Just open your mouth wide !!!
    
    Actually, there is a body and a canopy.  The nose is not dissimilar
    to a Hawk (ala Red Arrows) and the wings/tailplanes look like the
    Eagle, I think (the Top Gun plane ?).
    
    I can't spare 150 grand, but if you get together a dozen people
    (who haven't just bought new houses and/or cars) then maybe it
    would be reasonable - just as long as your aren't last in line
    to fly the thing...
    
    J.R.