Conference terri::cars_uk

	What note ??

Re: .0

The Hampshire police are having an awareness period...


There is a police car lurking on both sides of the road (one on each side for 
RAWSON's benefit) on slip roads to the A34 at "Silk Mill" junction.  Been there
every morning so far this week.... 

re .2

	As you know Jane, I live in Brighton (A27) , so your last reply is of 
	as much benefit to me as knowing that your car can go faster than mine.
	Mind you, what car can't !

	Alex :^)

    The very same one!!
    
    

    Re .0
    
    Couldn't work out whether this was a wind-up or not......
    
    BUT...
    
    I believe that technically you are committing an offence by alerting
    other drivers to the presence of law-enforcement officers, so if I were
    you, I should re-submit the base note from an anonymous account!
    
    Seriously..... if, for example, you were to flash oncoming drivers to
    warn them of a speed trap that you've just passed through, then the
    police can 'do' you.
    
    
    Stephen

    Yup,
    
    you are interfering with the Police performing their lawful duties!
    
    At the same time, however, you are actively encouraging drivers to obey
    the law (which is exactly what the Police are _trying_ to do), so i
    personally think that that is good and wholesome!
    
    mb

    
    ... and there's always the unmarked white Opel Senator police car
    lurking on the A34 near it's intersection with the M4.  Seen it
    twice, got stopped by it once ... 32 quid worse off, thanks a bunch!
    
    
    
    
    Graham

    It's goes something like the new adverts for radar detectors:
    
    "You all know that the police set up radar traps at the point where
    speed limits change, so why don't you get one of these super-wizz-bang
    thingies so that you are alerted to changes in the speed of the road,
    and saved from INADVERTANTLY breaking the law..."
    
    So, any replies that alert drivers to places where the road speed
    changes, and stops them inadvertantly speeding are allowable. After
    all, your encouraging obeying the lawe aren't you?.
    
    Richard (moderating loosely)

    They were there this morning having a "meaningful conversation" with a
    man in a BMW 735. ("Good morning Sir.  How fast is your wallet?")
    
    The "inside"story is that up to 85MPH t's a telling off (provided all
    other aspects of your driving were OK), 85 - 99.9mph it's a fixed
    penalty (�32 + 3 points) over 100mph death by hanging.. sorry, wrong
    offence, a court appearence.
    
    Hampshire are also having a crackdown on the roadwork sections of the
    M3 (Fleet), A33 Chandlers Ford and all of the contraflow sections of
    the M27 (J9-J10, J1-J2 and J4).

>> the inside story

The action the police will take varies from force to force.

Thames Valley Police won't nick you for 85mph if you're being sensible.
Hertforshire Police are much stricter and have been known to prosecutre people
doing 71mph...

Scott

    � A33 Chandlers Ford
    
    I travel this road every day. The speed limit is 50 which virtually
    everyone ignores unless theres a holdup.
    
    I've not yet seen anyone pulled up by the boys in blue although there
    are signs that cameras are in use.
    
    - Roy

    If this stretch of A34 is where i think it is, long sweeping open dual
    carriageway, then i think that it is ridiculous that the Police should
    even bother to stop people "making progress".
    
    What a waste of time!
    
    mb

    Perhaps it would be good idea to post any info about radar traps
    cameras in this note, thus giving us all a chance to obey the law.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    if only for a few hundred yards
    
    Registation numbers of plain clothed police cars might also be usefull?
    
    Simon.

    >Police are much stricter and have been known to prosecutre people
    >doing 71mph...
    
    As I understand it you are allowed a 10% grace for speedo error,
    therefore technically you can do upto 77MPH without being prosecuted!
    
    ..Craig

re .14

That's what I thought, and I agree with you entirely, but that's what I was told
by a representative of the police force...

I thought that legally, speedos are not allowed to "underread", so maybe the 10%
error must always be an overreading.  ie if your speedo says "70" then your
real speed is somehwere from 63 to 70...

Scott

    Re: .14
    
    Nope, i don't think so.
    
    Speeding is an absolute offence and 70.0001mph is illegal, but a court
    would look awfully silly if it tried to prosecute you unless you were
    doing something else that was even sillier.
    
    It is surprising how many people "take it up to 77mph" because they
    believe this 10% story.
    
    mb

    Hi,
    	
    	Since I have moved to Newbury in the last couple of years - I have
    noticed strange cars around.. New H, G reg cars but with the OLD form
    of No. Plates. Letters screwed onto plate. instead of the more common
    pespex. THESE cars are the ones to pay attention to... as my Dads a
    retired Trafic Cop.. I should no.. They have strange unusual things
    about them.. ie.              
                   
    1) Red Ford Serria  4x4 - Where front fog lamps are - Blue light can 
       be seen.. Plus arieals .. Ford have them in the rear window normall...
    2) Grey Renault 5 GTX - Same as above with the fog lamps changed to
       blue.          
    3) Lastly the Open/Vaxhall Senneter  This one nearly had me a couple
       of days ago. (I clocked him as he was clocking me.. We parted on
       equal terms..) The only main difference is the arieals. You can see
       from the back on the parcel shelf a black box where POLICE STOP
       appears.. Plus I have seen White flashing lights behind the front
       grill in action..
    
    With regards to speed traps. Well Tuf if you get caught. (I have so I
    ant blasay..) But look out for a Burgendy Coloured Escort Estate. 1.8 D.
    G reg I think. This also has more than one arieal.. It normal carries
    in the back all the Speeding equipment. It gives a more acurate
    reading than the Gun.. You go past him, he clocks you. Fast = radio
    message to Police further down the road who pull you over.... 
    There is also an Astra Estate red I belive. I clocked him once, 
    when he didnt want to be seen....
    
    With the Newbury Office on the A4 we often get the Road check outside 
    so we can if lucky see one or two of the above veichles... 
    
    Oh my Dad was not from Berkshire so I ant saying anthing that he told
    me!! So its only paying attention on the road that I know most of
    this..
     
    Re back a few. I also thought that you were given a 10% allowance
    facter in your speed. Although saying that I was stopped for doing 43
    in a 30 area Yep this is more that 10%  but the 30 sign was behind a
    set of traffic lights, it was late I was tried (Just finished from
    here) yea yea all the usual rubbish... The officer just said Its cold I 
    cant be bothered to take my hands out of my pockets, so Drive Slower 
    Eh....  Lucky me....
    
    Stu.

    RE: -1
    
    Good God.
    
    Capt. Grammar.

 I always thought that the 10% was supposed to be due to inaccuracies in the
radar gun. Could have been wrong though. But if this is right, then if you are
clocked by a more accurate method, then the 10% goes right out the window !!!


		 Alan
		~~~~~~

    .18�    Good God.
    .18�    
    .18�    Capt. Grammar.
    
    Surely given the scope of the transgression our good Captain can be
    more eloquent than just this?
    
    
    Ian.

    
    
    not too sure, but I do believe that the construction and use
    regulations state that motor vehicle speed-o-meters have to be within a
    tolerence of 10%. Therefore if you get stopped for 75 mph and you say
    that your speedo read 70 you stand a good chance of getting a caution*
    
    Al.
    
    *  the Police have the authority to inpound your vehicle for
    tests..just to prove that your an honest citizen :-)
    

    re: -1
    
    Good God (again).
    
    RE: -2
    
    Frankly, I'm speechless. I'm also bored to death hearing people try to
    justify it and/or tell me there's nothing wrong with it. I think I'll
    keep it as an example of what happens when all they espouse comes to
    fruition. I can hear them all winding the record-players up now.....
    
    Laurie.

REe: .15

The legal requirement for a speedometer (C&U Regs) is reading accurate to
+/- 10%.  Therefore a reading of between 63 and 77 at an actual speed of 70
is OK.

That said, the law is exact about when an offence is committed.  It is when
the vehicle goes any faster then the limit.  However it is unusual for a 
prosecution to be made for less than 10% over the limit.  This is to avoid 
the possible need to prove that the speedometer was reading over the limit.

jb

    Re. -1
    Could be tight in a 30MPH limit i.e 27-33
    
    How is it that a police car has to obtain an average over � mile
    when a policeman with a gun takes a reading in seconds?
    

    It is all due to the fact that SPEED = DISTANCE / TIME!
    
    Now radar travels at the speed of light, which is awfully fast, so if
    we plug the � mile into the equation we get ...
    
    186,000 miles per second = � miles / X
    
    where X is the time required, which is very small indeed!
    
    Easy init?
    
    mb
    
    p.s.
    
    But i always though that mass increased to infinity as you approached
    the speed of light, thus Police using radar must be very strong and it
    is probably best not to argue with them!!

>    But i always though that mass increased to infinity as you approached
>    the speed of light, thus Police using radar must be very strong and it

	Pure theory ! QED etc

	Alex

    ....and I thought that the whole idea was to dirve within the speed
    limit ( or around 10% of it ).. You dont get caught then ...
    
    
    NRH

    
    Can't be...
    
    Look at all the Reliant Robins around!
    
    Mark
    

    Three wheels, you 'ain't going fast enough :-)

    I've managed short bursts with only one wheel on the ground!

>    I've managed short bursts with only one wheel on the ground!

So have most people who have ever ridden a motorbike/bicycle !

Well I went over a hump-back bridge last week very fast, just to see what would
happen... no wheels on the ground.  Beat that...

:-)

Scott

    I've managed a LONG burst with NO wheels on the ground ( in a CAR! ).
    
    
    
    The car was on axle stands though ;^)
    
    
    Shaun.

    I've managed gymnastic's with 4 wheels , no style but lots of speed.
    
    	Thats all 4 wheels off the ground with my head nearer the ground
    	than the wheels.
    
    			Beat that
    
    
    	

re.36:

Yea, been there. Spoilt it a bit though, roof hit the ground first.

/Dave.

    I had no roof, but at least I completed the manover. Recked a new race
    helmet but finished with all 4 wheels on the ground. Shaken but not
    stirred.
    
    
     Garry

I've done a somersault in a Cortina Estate - No wheels on the ground
but various bits touched a crash barrier at times and I ended up with
one roof on the ground.  

It was only a couple of months after I'd passed my driving test too -
I'm obviously a natural!

Jon

... the other two were on top of a Westfield, perhaps? :-)

Scott

3 wheels, lots of time (inside rear on Rabbit and inside front on 911)
2 wheels, once for over 6 seconds, nice balancing act
0 wheels, once in a while

Fortunately all have up with the roof still up....

Dave