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    I thought all doors in an AX were within arms reach of the driver
    anyway !
    
    - Brendan     (-!) 

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>>    I thought all doors in an AX were within arms reach of the driver
>>    anyway !
    
    Not from the outside! imagine how tiring it gets having to first get in
    then open each door from the inside to let spouse and brood in. Anyway,
    arguments won't wash "you've got it, why can't I have it too" she
    say's. :-)
    
    Richard

	This sounds like an extremely non cost effective excercise.
	Messing about with wiring looms is incredibly tedious, 
	requiring much removal of trim and suchlike. Car trim often
	appears to be designed on a fit once principle, since the
	act of removing it often destroys the retaining clips etc.

	How about some elegantly arranged lengths of string connected to 
	the door locks, or better still trade up to one that's already
	got it fitted.

	-John

    Well the wiring isn't too much of a problem, I could do that in my
    sleep. I just need the control module and actuators.
    
    Re trading up, she only just got it, the best she could afford.
    
    Anyone know who this company is?
    
    Richard

     I recently bought such a kit consisting of 2 actuators (motors) and a 
     control relay/module.  It also included the wiring.
     
     This cost about �60. (note the one zero less).
     
     Fitting was fairly straight forward.  I'll look up the receipt over the 
     weekend.
     
     I'd really like to link them up (with the windows) to a remote controlled 
     alarm.  But it seems I'll have to pay about �200 for a decent alarm with 
     this facility.  Hard to justify when a simple one is already fitted.
     
     Rob.
     
     

The Moss range of alarms have a separate central-door-locking module that you
can buy and plug into the main alarm box.  Dunno how much, or whehter you could
fit it to a different make of alarm...

Scott

     Hi Scott,
     
     It is actually a MOSS alarm!  But the second cheapest they did at the 
     time.  It only has a socket for untrasonic sensors, no more.  Also it 
     arms automatically (after a short delay) once the ignition is off, you 
     don't want that linked to you doors!
     
     Great idea though.
     

I had the Moss central locking module on a Moss 750 alarm - about �65 for the
alarm and �20 ish for the locking module, the actuators were about �12 each
and very easy to fit. These prices were a couple of years ago however.

The actuators were a small motor with gearing and overload protection built in,
they required bolting to the door frame and a piece of wire was then attached
from the actuator to the existing lock wire (from inside door handle to lock).
This was easier than it sounds to fit - after the first door (1 hour) the
second door only took about 20 minutes and most of that was removing and
refitting the door trim.

The central locking module had two wires which plugged straight into the
main alarm unit, but I never investigated what the signals were (if it works
don't mend it...).

If you don't want to use the central locking control box and maybe have to get
a new/different alarm to suit - have you thought about swapping the drivers
door lock for one with a switch attached ?? You could probably drive the
locking actuators direct from the switch (although I don't know what rating it
would be - so check first).

Hope this helps

Nigel

 Robert,

	I could try talking to my mate, he had the solenoids from a Renault and
a home built box to control it, all actuated by a Moss 705 (the cheapest) alarm.
	Either that, or you could wait till I start/finish my design for having
central door locking and a time out alarm arming. (But that could be a while)



		 Alan
		~~~~~~

	Re: .8

	I have central locking on my Golf, and was thinking of
	fitting a Moss alarm with the extra module. How is the
	connection between this new module and the existing
	central locking system made?

	Thanks,
		Graham

re .10

Presumably, the central locking module connects to the wire coming from the
switch in the driver's door lock (ie it fools the central locking into thinking
you've turned the key in the lock)

Scott

     Sorry Richard,
     
     I had temporarily forgotten!  I have the invoice and instructions from 
     my CDL kit within my briefcase in my car.  I'll post those details when 
     I get to where my car is at lunchtime.
     
     However, I did recently obtain a stock list from Auto Europe Electrical 
     LTD.  Unit 6 Minden Rd, Kimpton Rd Trading Est.  Sutton, Surrey. SM3 9PF
     Tel.  081-641 1999
     
     I do have this here.  Within the booklet there's a page of central door 
     locking kits/parts, in which they list a 2 door front kit...
     
           Containing 2 master actuators (i.e. both locks will follow the 
           other) and all fittings.  Which look to include a wiring loom, a 
           control relay, connecting rods (to bolt to the existing lock rods in 
           your doors) and a few crude grommets and screws.  
             
     This looks very similar to the kit I bought, but the connectors are 
     slightly different so it is not identical.  The actuator/motors look of 
     identical moulding to mine, I guess the motors are just as cheep!  
     
     The prices work out as follows (including a �50-�150 25% discount and
     	  			     next day delivery):

          AUOTEUROPE - Electrical Component Suppliers
          Partial Stock Prices
                                    VAT: 17.5%
 
   Part            Item          NetbVAT  Qty   NetpI    Net   Req Qty
CDL2F.REM CDL kit 2dr remote      142.25     1  167.14  167.14
CDL2F     CDL kit 2dr front        65.05     1   76.43   76.43        1
CDL10     CDL Master motor         20.80     1   24.44   24.44
CDL12     CDL Slave motor          18.76     1   22.04   22.04
CDL18     Cnect rod for motor       0.48     1    0.56    0.56
CDL15     CDL Control Relay        13.84     1   16.26   16.26
CDL15R    CDL Relay - Remote       92.00     1  108.10  108.10
                                                               --------
                                              Goods-Total:        76.43
                                              Disct:       25%    19.11
                                                               --------
                                              Sub-Total:          57.33
                                              P+P:           1     7.64
                                                               ========
                                              Total:              64.96

     I stress that I have yet to deal with these people.  I will still look up 
     the supplier I used, as that kit is a known product, had reasonable 
     instructions and still works in the hot weather!  I don't know if the 
     normal price will work out this low.
     
     
     BTW, when routing the wiring from kick panel into the door, I would 
     ensure the wires pass through some PVC tubing to stop them bending 
     excessively when the door is used.  I should think breakages here are the 
     biggest cause of window/CDL faults.  My instructions did not include 
     advice to ensure all wiring in the door is absolutely tied solid to stop 
     vibrating/wearing/catching on the window.
          
     It also takes some adjusting to set the connecting rods correctly, else 
     the lock that's out makes the other stay in one place (i.e. you unlock 
     door, central locking locks it immediately!).  It's just a � hour job, 
     but watch out.
     
     They also list a remote controlled version, but the price difference is 
     about 2/3 of the cost of a really good remote control alarm which could 
     control the locking anyway and protect the car.
     
     Cheers,
     Robert.
     
     p.s. If I do order some bits from these, it'll might include 25m of PVC 
     tubing, I can probably then spare you a ft!  I'm afraid the amount I will 
     buy won't make us reach the �150+ order range for the %40 discount 
     though!
     
     

     Gottit...
     
     From the invoice I paid �50 for the kit, but this was the last minute at 
     a show, the guy wanted rid of his stock!
     
     I would give this place a call and see what price you can agree.  Perhaps 
     mentioning that AUTOEUROPE sell it for �57 (thats inc VAT and the 25% 
     discount).  I don't know how good their mail order is.
     
     	  Poole Clayton Automotive LTD.
     	  4 Prince Close,
     	  Walworth Induct. Estate,
     	  Andover,
     	  Hants.  SP105LL
     	  tel (0264)334277
     
     I have a copy of the fitting instruction sheet, let me know your 
     mailstop. You might like to see what you may get into.
     
     Regards,
     Robert.
     

    Thanks for the instructions robert (infernal snail was like a rocket)
    sent you my mail stop around 2:00 pm, in my tray by 5:00 pm!)
    
    I've phoned them up and they are sending me info in the post.
    
    Now sit back and wait, decide, and shell out...
    
    Richard