Conference rdvax::grateful

    
    I'm waiting for my mail order tickets to arrive. It's going
     to be a rage!
    
    Cath

sent in for four tix to each show - should be a blast !

horde fest at great woods aug 15 -> clifford ball aug 16-17 ->
hike adirondacks aug 18-21 -> canoe saco river aug 22-25

can't wait ... ten days away from the grind !  ya-hoo !!!

anybody going to the SUNY show memorial day weekend with
moe, ominous seapods, jazz mandolin project, max creek,
strangefolk, zen tricksters, somah, solar circus, etc ?

    As a matter of fact, we are going to SUNY Purchase tomorrow.  Should be
    interesting!
    
    Fredda

    Anybody get their mail order back for the Clifford Ball
    yet??/  I got mine yesterday...can't wait!!!! (OK calm
    down, it's not until August...sheez :-D ).  Anyway
    the directions to the Base say I-87 exit 36...anybody
    know how easy/hard it will be to get to the campground
    off the exit.  I hoping (no praying) it's not going
    to be as bad as Highgate was.....
    
    --Brian
    
    PS: Really hoping for a Harpua at Plattsburg.......
    

    
    Anyone know when do Tickermaster tix go on sale for "Clifford Ball"? 
    (why did they call it that anyhow???)

    Clifford Ball is the putative name of the fictional venue
    at which "A Live One" was recorded.  

    See yesterday's Phoenix for a cool looking ad (in the form
    of an invitation from the band) for Plattsburg.  I'm not
    sure when the tix go on sale but I think it's soon.

    Tom

    Re: last few
    
    Tickets go on sale thru TicketMaster on June 14.
    
    The real story of how Phish came up with the name "Clifford
    Ball" really doesn't give any insight as to why they referred
    to it on A Live One and for the shows in Plattsburgh.
    
    Anyhow, the story is they flew in for a gig somewhere
    in Virginia at a small airport.  They saw a billboard
    in the airport which said, "The Clifford Ball -- A
    Beacon of Light in the World of Flight".  Now, how
    that has anything to do with A Live One or the Plattsburgh
    shows is beyond me, but Phish is Phish --> strange bucnh
    of guys.  Maybe Trey will reveal this secret at the shows,
    maybe so, maybe not :-D
    
    --Brian
    

    
    Thanks there Brian.  Good information.
    
    I really want to attend these shows.
    
    Quite frankly, I think it's time for Phish to belt out a Dead cover in
    honor of jerry.   This show would be the perfect place for that. 
    Members of Phish have already spoken of how the Dead were such an
    enourmous influence on them...let's hear about it!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Phish has had mixed things to say about the dead in the past....everyone
    had something good to say about Jerry when he died...
    
    
    rfb

    well for the one bootleg i was subjected to of them in the Front in 
    Burlington it sure sounds as tho these gents made their livelihood
    covering Dead tunes.....

    Speaking of A Live One...  I picked it up through a CD HQ cd club
    about a week ago, part of an 11 for 1 deal- real glad I did! (ALso 
    got Talking Heads "Popular Favorites/Sand in the Vasoline", wow! what 
    a great album! and a bunch of other good cd's, but I digress...)

    NEway, I was floored by the time Stash, song 2 disc 1, cranked through
    the stereo!  Phish sure sounds a LOT better than I remember from a couple
    of tapes I've heard - one from 1990 Colorado, another from NYE 94 or so.  
    Those tapes were ok, but it just didn't click.  A prior complaint of mine 
    with Phish was that they never seemed to slow it down and get spacy; it 
    was always like set the speed control to 11 and don't look back. But this 
    album get really spacy in parts, with great jammin!

    (Leblanc, get a clue ;-)

    /Ken

I still have not got my tickets!
incredible... i have a friend who got 'em 3 weeks ago!

    
    Did'nt get mine yet either JC. I expect I'll get them just before phone
    orders go through though ... I hope so anyway!!
    
    Cath

    I know this LeBlanc guy is repected around here in the
    Digital Dead community, but I think you are very wrong
    about Phish.  OK, you have one tape I think (Front), you
    didn't like.  Let me spin you NYE '95 at MSG, if you
    are not completely floored by the Mike's -> Auld Lang
    Syne -> Weekapaug, (well not really a true segue, because
    of the setbreak after that insane Mike's, whatever) you
    are nuts.  Have you been to a show???  They are NOT the
    Dead, not even close.  The comparisions/simliarities come
    in two-fold, IMO. First, the music is improvisational,
    they jam, change tempo, tease other songs in a jam, 
    have unexpected segues, etc, etc, etc.  The second is
    the scene, but that really is different too.  The "average"
    Phishead (pardon the stereotype) is a kid about 17-22 years
    of age, who is, IMHO, a wanna-be hippie.  But, most of these
    kids are at the shows, 'cuz they really get into the music,
    most, mind you.
    
    And anyone on this notefile who likes Phish knows, the actual
    music (content, arrangement, lyrics, etc.) is a world apart
    from The Dead, besides the extended jamming and random
    setlists.  LeBlanc, this is not a flame (that's the last
    thing I'm doing), just wondering as to why you are turned off
    by them.  It's not a big deal, I'm just curious as to why.
    Musically??  Scene??   
    
    --Brian
    

    OK, I'll play too...
    
    It's the Music......just doesn't do anything for me. 
    
    and yes, i've been told the same thing by many others, some just as
    recently as last week..."GO, you'll love the scene..." but i need the
    music...guess i'm just an old fart...Rich Fromm tryed to convert me
    when he passed thru here last summer with 5 dead tapes and 50 Phish
    tapes...didn't work....but i have never been to a Phish show. 
    
    rfb_little older than 17-22  %^), but not much...%^)  %^)  %^)
    
    and lablanc is NOT respected in this community at all!!!!!  %^)

    Screw the scene.  The music is the only reason to go.

    Saw DMB Friday night, I was there for the music, the two jerks next to
    me were there for the party.  And this is in the front row!  I'm about
    through going to shows, the whole concept of civility is lost on these
    yahoos.  Yak, yak, yak.  God help you if there's a semi-quiet part in
    the tune, must be boring, just an excuse to yap and annoy your
    neighbors some more.  God forbid anyone would just sit and listen, try
    and get into it.

    Add to that the uptight security and Mansfield's Finest roaming the lot
    on bicycles, the insultingly-overpriced imitation beer, the long lines
    getting out... I must be too old.

    Sorry, just had to vent.  The music was great but hard to enjoy given
    the scene.

    Tom

    I totally agree with te last two replies about the scene.
    I should have made that clear before, that is the last 
    reason I go to a show...I could give a &$(#%# about the
    scene.  I go for the music, specifically Phish.  Hey,
    that's cool, if you just don't like the music, you don't
    like.  I wouldn't dare shove it down your throat, nor
    should anyone else.  Granted I'm not in that age
    bracket either (17-22), but maybe why I'm "into" Phish
    is because I started listening to them in the age bracket.
    
    I must chime in also about quiet parts at concerts.
    What is wrong with some people.  Phish has quiet parts
    in they shows (acoustic numbers, quiet jams, and so on)
    and usually everyone's well behaved.  But sometime....
    man I wish I could staple up the mouths on some
    of those jerks that feel this compelling need to yell
    during these moments.
    
    ...also just venting....
    
    --Brian
    

    Thought I'd follow that vent up with a quick note about Phish music.

    The whole reason I am into Phish is the music, the scene is
    invigorating purely because it is so full of energy.  I never had a
    rush in a concert before like I did the first Phish show I went to and
    the crowd came to its feet when the band came out like nothing I've
    ever seen.  Such enthusiasm, and it flows naturally from the music.  I
    guess I still will go to Phish shows because, for the most part, the
    scene hasn't yet ruined the musical experience.  Though I don't know
    what this year will bring.

    The band is the most incredible combination of musical styles I've ever
    heard, and they've got a knack for building up the energy to a place
    where it just takes off into the stratosphere.  Trey's soaring and
    majestic guitar solos are something to behold.  The spacey jams are my
    favorite, where they take off into something barely resembling music
    after a while but still manage to bring it home at the end.  They've
    got rock, jazz, folk, bluerass, gospel, you name it...  great harmonies
    and as a unit they play off each other with great skill.  Ahhh...

    Writing about music is like dancing about architecture right? I can't
    seem to put it in words.  Guess ya hadda be there.
    
    Tom

	well, this ought to be fun...  :^)  i CANT WAIT to see
	the response from our revered Chris...  :^)

	hi Brian... :^)

	i'll play too...   as you've no doubt noticed, there are some heads
	here who dig the phish scene and others who don't...  much like the
	dead scene i might add...  

	for my part, i am of mixed opinion on it...

	i appreciate the jams, the improvisations, the teases and all
	those other dead-like things you mentioned...  they are a talented
	bunch and i wish them well...  i have gone to see them live, and may
	do so again, but i'm not in a great rush...  :^/

	the thing is, like many others here will probably attest, the music
	just doesn't evoke the same kind of response in me that the dead 
	do/did/does...  sure, a great bit of party music, and a lot of phun,
	but for me, lacking a bit of "soul"...

	same goes in quadruplicate for the scene...  while the dead had
	thier problems with the scene too, i think the phish scene is more about
	the party than it is about the community...  it's about the cool time
	"i" can have... the cool things "i" bought...  the great stuff "i" did...
	the money "i" made...

	hippie wanna-bes???  please don't take offense but, my experience 
	indicates more clueless kids than anything else...  nothing against clueless
	kids... we all were there once...  but seems more like how cool the party 	
	can be rather than how cool the world can be if this mini-society can 
	foster it's ideals in "the real world"...  

	phish/dead comparisons are like apples and bananas...  :^)   

	the live and recorded stuff is very different, but still, i have dead discs
	that i will never tire of... phish has at least one good song that i really
	like on each of thier discs... 

	sure, good tunes, talented guys, and a good time...  but they fall
	short on many other aspects...  of course, your mileage may vary... :^)

					da ve

    ...and then they do something like rocky-top........

    
    I go to concerts for the show and the scene.  I like the opportunity to
    hang out and cut loose.   I like the phish scene, even though it makes
    me feel old at times.  Many youngsta's who are much younga than me. 
    The music does have an energy that rages!  It starts rolling and
    progresses and progresses and....  
    
    I went to the dead for the scene as well.   I loved the music and the
    people.   
    
    	Mark

	did some say, "leblanc .... well respected" ??
	
	hoho.
	
	if you like cigarette smoke, do a phish show inside.
	i like the music, energy, etc.
	the scene was lacking, imo.
	
	

    
    Yah, that is the most cigarette smoking crowd I ever saw.  I think
    everyone that sat near us at providence last year chain smoked the
    whole show.   

    respected?
    puh-leeeeezz.... :^)
    
    anyways..from what i see...the Phish scene will spiral out of control
    within the next year..they will suffer from the same calamities that
    the Boys did over the last 2 years...More ticketless people...more
    drunken boobs (of which i have been known to be one :^o )
    The will absorb all the negative overflow from the Dead that was scene
    oriented..and that was a large part
    I was talking about Phish to some young hipsters at a Dead show once
    and it appeared that the Phisheads seem to play a game and see how many
    shows they can scam into....
    Now i paid for all the shows i went to when i went to see the Dead.
    This attitude was apparent in Vermont last year when ticketless hordes
    threatened to "tear down the gates" and get in scott free....
    Why should *I* have to pay  higher ticket prices to pay for more
    security cause some flaming asses want to have a good time at no
    cost? these were my vacations.
    I really don't see anything worthwhile in their music...
    Trey or whoever writes their songs is no Robert Hunter or Barlow
    One song has 4 words for a chorus.....rather lyrically challenging
    Yeah they cam jam....very well...but like Da ve said, they really
    invoke no emotion in me when i hear their music...
    And the more they try and distance themselves from the Dead, the more
    it is apparent that they are aware of the "homogeneity" of both their's
    and the Dead's fan base.....
    
    Neo Hippie bands are now being massed produced in cookie cutter fashion
    and Phish to me is the Mrs Field's of the lot....
    

    at dead shows, I never had a problem looking at people and just saying
    "ssshhh, this is so sweet" during quite parts....never got anything back 
    except a smile...tom, did ya try that at DMB?
    
    rfb

    
    Some of Phish's songs phase me, other don't.  I think YEM sucks, but I
    love a nice long rockin Bathtub or Possum.  They certainly don't slack 
    in the covers dept...always do a quality job of covers, that's why I'd 
    like to hear Phish do a Dead cover now that their rather skilled. 
    Sometimes I wish they'd shake their jazz overtone...for the most part,
    I think their grate! 

    Another thing i forgot to add
    
    the Dead to me is as much a part of Americana as Levi's or Harley
    Davidson....
    There was Cowboy Neal at the wheel
    references to Kerouac abound.....
    Songs of the wild west...the rivers and mountains of our great country
    
    The Dead to me, *ARE* and always will *BE* 
    
    US Blues.....The Russians don't have em
    neither do the Chinese...nor the Germans
    
    they are as American as Apple Pie and Basbeall..and are a part of a
    great time in History
    
    Phish is from Vermont...
    they play music....
    
    end of story

I'll reiterate some rePHlections from my Phirst Phish show...I wasn't very 
familiar with their music B4 my 1st show, but had heard some...the music didn't
Click with me, altho I did appreciate their musicianship...I might try it again,
but would rather a smaller venue than the Centrum...Orpheum would do it for me.
I think I need to investigate their studio work to try and "get it" before
going to another show...

Scene...SUCKED big time...clueless kids, hippie wanna bees, they were all the
same to me...and I got some Very Negative vibes form a young dude while I was
sitting in a car...just sitting in a car, and this kid comes and flips me the
finger...aaahhh, what's up widdat???   I wasn't feeling well either that
night which prolly contributed to my negative feelings about the scene, and I
had floor seats, and wasn't in the mood to stand all night...

re: idiots at shows during quiet times...sighhhhhhhhhhh...large venue shows
are holding less and less attraction to me...this is one reason...when I saw
YES for the 2nd time on their Union tour 5 years ago, there's the thick-heads
sitting in front of me...AND YOU AND I starts, one of my favorite Yes toonz...
quiet, acoustic guitar...with pauses between phrases...of course Mr. Thickskull
in front of me (with CAT hat on) has to YELLL  OOOOOwwwwwwoooooo during the
quiet pauses...yeah, buddy, we all know yer here...

minutes later he says "I love YES, that Chris Howe is awesome"  Dooooohhhhhhhh
it's Steve Howe/Chris Squire you idiot...geez...dancing/singing, that's ok,
but this need to yell at song recognition, folks must have boring lives :)))

I go to see and HEAR the MUSIC...but large scale shows are getting old...or am
I Getting old ? :)

Wes

    I'm really getting into Phish's latest, A Live One.  I've heard
    and have a couple of tapes, but nothing hit me like the music on
    this disc.  Seems like Phish has gotten a LOT better than from
    what I remember hearing.  A friend, catphish who some of you know,
    says he thinks Phish really started expanding musically around 1994.
    Really taking it to another level. I'm not familiar enuf with their 
    history, but it would explain why I think the latest release is really 
    hot compared to what I'd heard before.
 
    Cranking Stash or Tweezer, with the jams, _really spacy_ jams, 
    brings me close to what I got from the dead!  Can't wait to check 
    this band out live but preferably on a weekend - I'm getting too old 
    for weekday shows ;-)

    /Ken

    re: 28
    
    No you aren't getting old, it's annoying no matter what
    age you are.  I think we should be allowed to shoot 
    these people with paint-pellet guns...well, it would
    make me feel better :-D.
    
    Ahh, back to Phish.  This reminds of me of the huge, 
    awful thread way back between r.m.phish and r.m.gdead.
    I guess it comes down to some like Phish, some the Dead,
    some both (me) and some none.  For me, I can close
    my eyes, listen to a Dark Star, China-Rider, Playin',
    That Is For the Other One, and on, and on.  Or, I
    can listen to a Tweezer, Mike's Groove, Bowie, YEM,
    and on and on, and get that same transcedental music
    feeling, I relate to both.  
    
    I disagree with Chirs on the point that the Phish scene
    will deteriorate (spelling??).  Yeah, Phish had
    a big bunch of ticketless hordes at Red Rocks last
    year, it happens.  Ever since that, with each mail order
    and at the shows they have handed out informational flyers
    about what warning against this and other things that
    make the scene suck for them as an organization.  OK,
    it might not solve the problem, but they are trying.  And
    another things, Phish could easily charge $35 or $40+ for
    tickets, and people would still go (including myself).  But
    they don't, they keep it around $25 or so, sometimes
    a few extra for the "special shows" (three setters, New
    Year's, Halloween; each 3 set Plattsburgh show is only
    $27.50 thru mail order).  Dead actually could have charged
    $50+ for their shows, but they didn't.
    
     Well, some like'um some don't.  Hope folks don't mind 
    Phish postings around here, of course, unless a Phish
    notesfile is created.  All I can say is, if you haven't
    heard them, listen to a few tapes, better yet, try going
    to a show in the fall (Clifford Ball might be overkill
    for a first exposure, two  night, 3 sets a day, oh boy...
    ...I can't wait), give a shot.  If you don't dig'um
    cool enough.
    
    --Brian
    
    Aside: Looking for a real killer HQ Scarlet-Fire (sbd, 
    preferrably).  Have some Dead (not much) but tons of
    Phish, let me know.
    	

     One more thing....
    
    Yeah A Live One is a good start to.  I read that Phish note
    (like 237 or something), and a lot of folks listened to
    them in 91, 92 and were like, "ehhhh...".  Re: 29, yes
    indeed, they did expand musically from '94 on.  A much
    bigger  and textured sound, and a lot, I mean a lot more
    experimental spacy type jams.  I've listened to them since
    like early '91 but from 94 on is when I was really hooked.
    
    If you haven't heard them for while, give it another shot,
    A Live One is a good start.
    
    --Brian
    

Fun digression!

re: Tom and crowd noise
You gotta do what i do: tell 'em to shut up.
i tried the be nice routine and guess what? it got me no where.
now, i get in their face, and tell'em to stuff it.  works
nearly all the time.  i hate to resort to this, but, it works.

re:phish
i like phish, i don't love them.
the music is really good, but also quite diff. than the dead.
i do appreciate phish's ability as a band, excellent musicians,
and that is what attracts me to their music.  their music does
not have the same magic, at least for me, as the dead does.  we
often talked about "IT" in here and what it meant to people.  IT
never happened (so far) with phish.  but, i remain open-minded.
i also like the scene.  good to hang out, have a few brews in
the sun, and generally enjoy a rather festive moment.  the music
first drew me in, then when i saw the scene, i liked that also.
Clifford Ball will be a fun time, but the music alone will not
make it fun.  a combo of the scene and the music makes it all a 
good time.

but, like many have pointed out, the phish scene will deteriorate
as well, just like the dead's scene.  people just don't have a lot
of respect, and most of those people are the transients-- they are
there for summer tour and probably won't be back next year, so what do
they care if the screw it up for everyone else in the future?

    I kinda like the paint ball idea! Or maybe a hackysack upside the face!
    I dunno, I'm no killjoy but I really think alcohol has a negative net
    effect, when unmediated by a sense of restraint.  Anyway I'm gonna ask
    'em nice next time.  (And if that fails I'll fume and stew! And vent in
    notes! Yeah, that's the ticket!) Seriously, maybe some of these folks
    would appreciate being clued in.  I'll be doing 'em a favor. Right ;-)

    As for Dead vs. Phish I feel there is no comparison.  

    But I do like the Phish scene, it's youthful and exuberant and there
    are definitely some hip kids who "get it".  At this point in my life
    that includes being treated as an equal when I am obviously over 30 and
    not to be trusted.
    
    Tom

    Neh, hackysacks are too soft, paint guns hurt, man (ok
    ruthless me, settle down).  Well, actually the I get
    annoyed many times at shows, but overall I feel very
    young and refreshed when I go see Phish.  For every
    jerk off I see, I always seem to run into some very
    cool individuals who I end up talking to for awhile.
    Same thing happened at Dead shows too, and the great
    thing about Dead shows was I met/talked to mostly older
    folks then myself....know I'm one of the older ones
    at Phish....not that old.....yet...heheheheh
    
    --Brian
    

I'm with JC on this one. The first night at Sugarbush last year I was 3/4 
of the way up the mountain. Some slackjawed troglodytes decided to hop the 
fence sit near me. One of the guys starts yelling, "Wilson" at the top of 
his lungs. I thought he'd stop but when he didn't I finally turned to him 
and asked him to stop yelling. He answered that he could do whatever he 
wanted and to F&*k off. I told him that the crowd was there to hear Phish 
and not him and that, even if they did play Wilson, he wouldn't be able to 
hear it over his own yelling. Light dawns over Marblehead after one of his 
buddy's tells him to cool it so he looks and me and eloquently say, "yeah, 
whatever".

All scenes have those who seem to have the few who ruin it for others (the 
fence crashers at Highgate and Deer Creek last year and the idiots who 
trashed the port-o-lets at Foxboro a few years back w/ the Dead, the clowns 
who would urinate in the stands at Patriot games (fortunately that "fad" 
seems to have died), the "if I only had a brian" mosh pit of 5 idiots next 
to me at Buffett last year (figure that one), etc. I think it's up to those 
attending, as the boyz said in their post Deer Creek note, to police the 
scene(s) or lose them.

jeff

> I think it's up to those 
>attending, as the boyz said in their post Deer Creek note, to police the 
>scene(s) or lose them.

    Bravo, I am convinced.  

>buddy's tells him to cool it so he looks and me and eloquently say, "yeah, 
>whatever".

    The all-purpose 90's type slacker response!  

Tom

            <<< Note 528.35 by SMURF::connor.zk3.dec.com::strobel >>>

>>seems to have died), the "if I only had a brian" mosh pit of 5 idiots next 

Hey Strobel - 

:)

how many Brian's would you like?

:)

bob the brian_less

    
     Hey anyone have a number to call to find out where our Clifford
     Ball tickets are.. ticketmaster tickets available this Friday..
    
     Cath

From: [email protected] (Rosemary)
Subject: Mail Order Update
Date: 2 Jun 1996 13:10:40 GMT

For those of you who missed the new hotline message:

|Mail order for the August shows is over, and orders are currently
|being filled.  It is taking longer than we planned to fill the orders,
|and we do not expect to be finished until almost the middle of June.
|We do hope to get every ticket order back, filled or unfilled, before
|the shows involved go on sale except for the Clifford Ball shows;
|however, we will be able to fill all correctly prepared orders for
|Clifford Ball tickets, so you do not need to be concerned if you have
|not received your Clifford Ball tickets prior to June 14th.
|
|The number to call for mail order problems on the newsletter order
|form is not correct; please do not call it.  The correct number is
|802.865.6959.  Please make a note of it.  If you have a problem with
|your Phish Tickets-by-Mail order, that is the number to call between
|10 am and 5 pm Eastern time after June 10th and no later than one
|week prior to the show in question.  Do not call yet because no-one
|will be answering at that number until June 10th.  Thank you.

Check the tickets-by-mail web page, at
http://www.cyberenet.net/~rosemary/tickets.html

    
    Thanks Tom. That explains a lot. Sounds like Clifford Ball tickets
    will arrive eventually.
    
    Cath

    
    I heard they were able to fill m/o's.
    
    Good news for us people who waited for TM sale.

    yeah thank god

hey bobo:
	I don't need any more brians, but one working BRAIN would be nice!

Leblanc @ Clifford Ball? egad!

    
    On the phone right now with TM.  Waiting, waiting....still
    waiting....and yes, I am still waiting.
    
    Going to get an extra for Leblanc (believe it or not!!!)

    
    I'm there!!! :-)
    
    So is Leblanc!

    Has the world gone mad??

    

    Hey, I thought LeBlanc hated Phish????????
    
    I'd be surprised if anyone couldn't get tickets from
    TicketMaster, Plattsburgh AFB is going to hold a
    LOT of people...
    
    --Brian
    

    
    The guy at TM said he hadn't had many calls yet today for
    Phish.  Tix should be available for a while.  Don't think
    it'll be that big of a scene (hopefully).

    That's actually a good sign.  It would be great if 
    Plattsburgh AFB held like 50,000+ and about 20,000-
    30,000 showed up.  I figure that may some of those
    f&$(#@ing jerks that we've been talking about won't
    be there, I mean this place is out in the middle of
    nowhere.  Obvious there will be a few there, but
    hopefully enough cool folks to offset a little.
    
    --Brian
    
    

      don't forget about the ticketless horde of youngsters that show up
    to every show planning on getting in...they will be there...

so what are the chances that we'll have a nice GameHendge set
at clifford ball ?  they've only played it live five times ...

and they have been working on an inter-active CD featuring
GameHendge, to be released next year ... 

    what the hell is a gamehendge?

    LeBlanc, you don't what Gamehenge is, and your going to
    the Clifford Ball--how dare you!!!  (Now I sound like those
    young sillies on Phish.Net who think Phish is for them and
    them only).
    
    Anyway, Gamehenge really is called "The Man Who Stepped Into
    Yesterday", and was Trey's senior thesis at Goddard college.
    It is a fictional fairytale, almost like a children's story,
    about a land called Gamehenge and about a race of people
    (called the Lizards) who live in this land, and the events
    that unfold about them. The structure is that of a narrative 
    story encompassing songs to go with it.  They have only performed
    it live 5 times in Phishtory, the last time at Great Woods
    on 7/8/94, Set I [also of which the second set was just as
    mindblowing with the Stash that's on "A Live One", and
    a ridculously sick YEM -> Frankenstein (an Edgar Winter Group
    cover for those not in the know) -> YEM.], I was at this 
    show, one of the best shows I've ever been too. Anyway, the
    setlist for a "Gamehenge set" usually follows this structure:
    
     -> Lizards -> Tela -> Wilson -> AC/DC Bag -> Col. Forbin's
    Ascent -> Famous Mockingbird -> McGrupp & The Watchful
    Horsemen -> *Possum
    
    The segue ->'s in this case, mean the story narration in
    between the songs.  The * implies that this last song can
    vary, e.g. at Great Woods it was Divided Sky (a fine version
    I might add).
    
    There are other songs the compromise the Gamehenge tale, though
    they are out of order with those above: which are, Llama, 
    Punch You In the Eye, and a few more which I can't remember.
    
    A Gamehenge set at Plattsburgh????  I think if there was ever
    a show(s) that it could predictable happen, it would be
    the Clifford Ball.  That would only be 1 set, and we've
    got 5 other sets to figure out what the heck there going
    to play (my excitement for this show is beyond typing it
    into words, if that isn't obvious already).
    
    --Brian
      

    oh jeeeezz that explains it : Goddard College 
    

    thank you for the explanation
    

    
    Sounds good.  I like most of those songs in the set and have seen em
    all live at one point or another.  I really like the jamming part of
    Lizards.  Divided Sky will definitely be played at Plattsburg.  That
    songs roasts....my Mother even digs it!!!!! 

    
    Oh yeah.  If you want to know facts/figues/stats on Gamehenge send mail
    to Rich Fromm at Berkely....he went on and on and on about it to me one
    day for hours. ;-)
    

    Yep, Rich is they guy that posts most of the Phish hotline
    messages (tour dates, ticket info, taping info, etc.) to
    r.m.phish.
    
    --Brian
    

    re:
        Oh yeah.  If you want to know facts/figues/stats on Gamehenge send
    mail to Rich Fromm at Berkely....he went on and on and on about it to me
    one day for hours. ;-)
                            
    
    you can say that again......he only visited with us for two days and......
    %^)
    
    rfb

>    it live 5 times in Phishtory, the last time at Great Woods
>    on 7/8/94, Set I [also of which the second set was just as
>    mindblowing with the Stash that's on "A Live One", and
>    a ridculously sick YEM -> Frankenstein (an Edgar Winter Group
>    cover for those not in the know) -> YEM.], I was at this 
>>    show, one of the best shows I've ever been too. Anyway, the

    My first show!!  Dude, have you got a tape of that?

    Tom

    The Divided Sky is my all time favorite Phish song.
    

    re: .60
    
    Wow, 7/8/94 was your  first show......what a fantastic way
    to be introduced to Phish!!!  Yeah, I have a decent quality
    tape of the Gamehenge set I, but a crappy copy of the second
    set.   Mail me in a week or two and I can tape them for you
    if you want.
    
    --Brian
    

my prediction is that Clifford Ball will be oversold and
a logistical nightmare.  expect 50k +, probably closer to 65k.
it was announced faaaaaaaaaaarrr in advance, so people have plenty
of time to plan,plan,plan.  recall highgate?  the first highgate was
mellow, maybe 50-60k people.  announced *during* summer tour.  the
following year, highgate was announced w/ the tour.  100k show up.
major nightmare.

From:   US4RMC::"[email protected]" "MAIL-11 Daemon"
To:     [email protected]
CC:
Subj:   Re: Clifford Ball Question

In article <[email protected]> [email protected] wrote:
>Heres the times for clifford Ball from my Mail Order Tickets:
>
>Friday, August 16th -
>Lots - noon
>Doors - 2:00 pm
>Show - 6:30 pm
>
>Saturday, August 17th -
>Lots - noon
>Doors - 2:00 pm pm
>Show - 6:30

Please note:

Clifford Ball times have CHANGED as follows:
BOTH DAYS: lots open at 11 AM (not noon)
BOTH DAYS: doors open at 1 PM (not 2 PM)

FRIDAY: the showtime REMAINS 6:30 PM (this is unchanged)
SATURDAY:   showtime HAS BEEN CHANGED TO 3:30 PM (from 6:30)

The opening and closing times of the camping area are unchanged.

This information will be added to the hotline message and will be
reiterated frequently here between now and the date of the show.

The mail order tickets were printed prior to these changes, and so
the information printed on them is incorrect.

Tickets from TicketMaster and the Flynn Theatre were printed after these
changes were confirmed, therefore the times printed on those tickets are
correct.

Shelly

    It's coming fellas.......can't you feel it !!!!

    
    Just got me tickets.  
    
    The camping is described as being "on sight".
    
    Hope they aren't yanking our chains.

    I finally got my mail order tix about a week ago.  I heard all about the
    holographic images on them, but no go.  The dates on my tix also show
    the new show times.  I guess they changed the tix to reflect the new
    times and I happened to get my request in on the last day, so I missed
    'em.  I guess it's a case of early bird getting the worm.  lame-o. 
    Getting to the show is all that matters anywho!!!  Waiting with great
    anticipation.......dave  

I have a long post which will follow next.
as far as camping <-> show, i still have not gotten
any word on this... do we have to take a bus or is it
walkable?  seems as if no one knows.

From:	US1RMC::"[email protected]" "Richard Fromm"  2-JUL-1996 16:36:22.68
To:	rage::jc
CC:	[email protected]
Subj:	a few phish tidbits

a few items:

1) some info from the new phish web site.  probably nothing new.
2) some info from a flyer at the flynn (burlington) box office.  perhaps a
few new items.
3) some local newspaper articles.  may or may not be of interest to you.

------------------------------

from http://www.phish.com/clifford.html

Note: Clifford Ball TIME CHANGES as of June 14th:
                  BOTH DAYS: lots open 11 AM (not noon)
                  BOTH DAYS: doors open 1 PM (not 2 PM)
                 FRIDAY 8/16: showtime REMAINS 6:30 PM
           SATURDAY 8/17: showtime CHANGED to 3:30 PM (from 6:30)
          Opening and closing times of CAMPING area are UNCHANGED
          Camping opens Noon, Thursday, 8/15; closes 10 AM Sunday, 8/18. 

------------------------------

From: "" <[email protected]>
Subject: Plattsburgh Ophicial Info
Date: 1 Jul 1996 21:16:33 GMT

I recently picked up a phlyer at the Flynn Box office with info regarding 
Plattsburgh.  The following is general stuff that might be of interest to 
evone:

ON-SITE CAMPING INFO:  Potable water and toilets will be provided for campers.
There will be concessions selling breakfast, lunch, and late night fare. (else-
where in the flyer this food is referred to as 
"tasty and low-priced")  No open fires allowed.  There will be a commissary in 
the camping area selling sundries.

SHOW INFO:  Parking lots open 11am, Please don't come earlier because you will
be turned away.  Festival grounds open 12noon, there will be a lot of great 
diversions and maybe a few suprises, so we encourage you to come into the
festival as early as possible [band vs. audience Super Mario Bros. maybe? :)]

A FEW WORDS OF WISDOM:  1 Respect the environment-please carpool as much as 
possible!  If you are staying at local hotels, please carpool to concert area
whenever possible.  2 Do not bring alchohol, illegal drugs, open containers,
glass, cans, coolers, fireworks, or weapons to the Plattsburgh Air Force Base.
Absolutely no pets permitted on the grounds-please leave them at home.  Rabies 
is endemic to this area!  Factory sealed or empty plastic water containers may
be brought in.  Backpacks will not be permitted beyond the camping area (eh?!)
3 Please be careful not to park illegaly anywhere in the area. Violators will 
be
towed.  4 Camping in designated areas only.  5 Weather can be extremely hot &
humid during the day, and occasionally cold at night-bring appropriate 
clothing.
[word has it that there is no shade to speak of in the area, so bring hats, 
umbrellas, etc.]

And a couple notes we've all heard before that it doesn't hurt to repeat,
for Clifford Ball as well as all other Phish shows:

| -Please help us discourage people from coming to the parking lot of a 
sold-out
show without tickets.   Parking is often limited, and legitimate ticket holders
may not be allowed access to the lots if they are patially filled by non-ticket
holders.  Also, people coming without tickets increases the cost of security
staffing, which ultimately leads to higher ticket prices.

| -Remember, if you purchase nitrous oxide you are likely to be supporting 
people
who care nothing abou, and contribute nothing to, the Phish community.

...so there it is.  Hope it's of benefit to everyone.  Be kind and have phun!

eric


==============================



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From: [email protected] (Jack R. Lebowitz)
Subject: Clifford Ball - recent local newspaper stories
Date: 2 Jul 1996 04:34:37 GMT

I'm reposting, in their entirety, two large news articles which 
appeared on the front page of the Plattsburgh, NY daily newspaper 
last Thursday and Friday about the Clifford Ball. 
 
In general, I thought the articles put a fairly positive, 
optimistic spin on the whole event, looking at it as an economic 
opportunity for the Plattsburgh area, rather than a disaster to 
be feared.  This is good, as it was in nearby Lake Placid last 
December where positive advance press (IMHO) contributed to a 
very friendly atmosphere with the townspeople for the 12-16/17-95 
run of shows there. 
 
See  'ya in Plattsburgh... 
 
Jack 
"Yea, my children are old enough to read Icculus" 
 
| --------------------------------------------------------- 
 
Plattsburgh (NY) Press-Republican 
Thursday, June 27, 1996  - Page A-1 
 
"A FINE KETTLE OF PHISH: NEARLY 200,000 
EXPECTED FOR BASE CONCERT SERIES" 
 
By Joe LoTemplio, Staff Writer. 
 
PLATTSBURGH - You can't stop Phish fans from showing up en masse 
to a concert here later this summer, you can only hope to contain 
them. 
 
Clinton County officials were thinking of that popular phrase 
from ESPN sportscaster Dan Patrick when they were told Wednesday 
crowds for the Aug. 15-18 Phish event at Plattsburgh Air Force 
Base will number about 95,000 people each day. 
 
The estimate far exceeds original crowd totals of 25,000 for each 
show. 
 
Clinton County Health Department Director John Andrus told county 
legislators Wednesday 40,000 concert tickets have already been 
sold, and promoters are expecting more sales. 
 
"That's (crowd estimate) double the size of Clinton County", 
Andrus said. 
 
The Health Department has already spent between $7,000 and 
$10,000 in issuing permits for the event, and figures continue to 
grow because promoters must follow the stringent guidelines of 
New York's Mass Gatherings law. 
 
The law was designed in the wake of Woodstock II and other large 
concerts held in the state over the years. 
 
Andrus told legislators they should consider negotiating with the 
promoters - Great Northern Productions Inc. - to pay permit 
costs. 
 
"We shouldn't go overboard with this because we might discourage 
them (promoters), but we should at least recoup our costs", 
Legislator Joseph Giroux said. 
 
Andrus said Great Northern has assured them they can handle such 
a large crowd.  If it looks like plans for operating the show are 
not safe, the county can get an injunction to stop the concert, 
he said. 
 
The major concerns are traffic control, security and first aid.  
The promoters plan on bringing in 500 officers and 32 horses from 
the Texas Mounted Patrol for security, Andrus said. 
 
The massive crowd will also produce about 225 tons of garbage 
over the weekend. 
 
"The Mass Gatherings code is pretty comprehensive, and we will 
hold the promoters to the letter of the law", Andrus said. 
 
Officials from Great Northern could not be reached for comment 
Wednesday evening. 
 
Andrus said the promoters have been cooperative so far and have 
said they can handle the operation.  They are a little behind 
because they originally thought they would not have to adhere to 
New York codes because the site still belongs to the Air Force, 
Andrus said. 
 
A meeting is scheduled for Friday to go over details on the 
logistics of the upcoming show. 
 
| ------------------------------------------------------------- 
 
Plattsburgh (NY) Press-Republican 
Friday, June 28, 1996  - Page A-1 
 
"CONCERT SEEN AS WAY TO SELL AREA" 
 
By Mark Hollmer and Richard C. Ten Wolde, 
Staff Writers 
 
PLATTSBURGH - County and Air Base reuse officials will meet today 
to hammer out further details of Phish's August concert. 
 
The morning meeting is expected to address the state and Clinton 
County sanitary code, the state Mass Gatherings Law and other 
logistical issues for the Aug. 16 and 17 concert. 
 
The concert could draw up to 50,000 people per day to the event 
at the former Plattsburgh Air Force base, according to some 
estimates.  Others expect far more people to flock to the two day 
show. 
 
A MARKETING BOOST 
 
Meanwhile, city business owners and others are preparing for what 
could be a bonanza for everyone involved. 
 
Anyone doubting that possibility only need look across the lake 
to Franklin County, Vt.  Two summers of Grateful Dead concerts in 
that region left long-term economic benefits, officials there 
said. 
 
Calling the Phish concert a "great marketing tool", Plattsburgh 
City Mayor Clyde Rabideau said the concert will "put Plattsburgh 
on the map for people across the country." 
 
"I don't want to downplay the inconvenience that may and probably 
will arise, but the city and town must offer warmth and 
hospitality," Rabideau said.  "The payoff will be big." 
 
PEOPLE URGED TO WELCOME SHOW 
 
Scott Tetreault, co-owner of Zachary's Pizza and Bogart's pub in 
downtown Plattsburgh, agreed. 
 
"We feel lucky that this is coming there," said Tetreault, who 
will be operating a concession stand at the show. 
 
He hopes residents will welcome the event and the expected 
economic benefits merchants could see. 
 
"It could help the economy or replace Canadian tourism", he said. 
 
"We think the base could have an event like this every year, or 
two a year". 
 
WORKING OUT SAFETY ISSUES 
 
Adequate police coverage is one of the many concerns officials 
are working to address before the concerts. 
 
State Police Capt. Michael Klusacek said that effort is underway. 
 
"We're at the very early stages of planning and putting together 
our operations and conferring with people and deciding what we 
are doing", he said from State Police's Plattsburgh barracks. 
 
His department has already met with the Clinton County Sheriff's 
Department and Plattsburgh City Police and will do so again, he 
said. 
 
Klusacek said that a multi-agency cooperative effort will help 
make sure "the public will have the least inconvenience and the 
most safety and hospitality to visitors". 
 
City Police Capt. Matthew Booth said some discussions have taken 
place with concert promoters about compensation for police 
overtime during the show, but there is "nothing concrete yet". 
 
International TradePARC Chief Executive Officer Mark Barie said 
there is plenty of time to address logistical concerns for the 
Phish concert. 
 
"And personally, I have a 15 year old who will shoot me if we 
don't host the show". 
 
GREEN IN VERMONT 
 
The Grateful Dead performed in Highgate, Vt. In 1994 and 1995, 
bringing nearly 80,000 people the first summer and about 100,000 
people for their return engagement.  A similar situation could 
happen when Phish comes to town. 
 
The Dead more than doubled the population of Franklin County, Vt. 
during each show.  Fans crammed campgrounds and local highways, 
but also brought economic benefits to local businesses.   
 
Sue Rixon is executive director of the St. Albans Area Chamber of 
Commerce, which covers most of Franklin County.  She said the 
Dead gave Franklin County some good long-term economic bonuses. 
 
"People are coming back who came to the concert(s), to enjoy 
Franklin County", she said. 
 
And during the shows, convenience-store owners and other 
businesses reaped thousands of dollars of economic benefits. 
 
Rixon said Clinton County should look at Phish with much of the 
same potential. 
 
"They should be excited and look at this as a potential, huge 
industry", she said.  "It's potentially a fabulous industry for 
the old army base". 
 
"Look at them with dollar signs". 
 
 
(N.B.  -  There was also a sidebar article entitled "PHISH FANS 
CAUGHT IN THE NET" which discusses the r.m.p newsgroup with the 
lead "Phish fans not only love their band, they love to talk 
about it on the Internet.  The Phish Internet newsgroup contained 
more than 4,000 messages Friday, with concerns about everything 
from security to free water at the Plattsburgh concerts Aug. 16 
and 17, which the fans are calling Clifford Ball".   A number of 
comments posted to the newsgroup about water, food, traffic, 
followed, and listed contributors included Nick Fitanides, James 
Douglas, Jesse H. Alderman, Brad Zebol, "a fan known only as 
Possum23", Nada Hall and "Phish coordinator Shelly Culbertson", 
who noted that the concert times on the tickets were incorrect.  
Correct times are 8-16 - camping/lots, 11 am, doors 1 pm, show 
6:30; 8-17 - lots, 11am; doors, 1 p.m. and show, 3:30 pm.  The 
"net" sidebar story also mentioned that "Phish fans sometimes 
discuss drugs on the Net, usually as "420", the California 
Highway Patrol radio code for drug use" as well as discussing 
concert taping and that tapes "are traded constantly on the 
Internet". 
 
There was also a sidebar box with a seemingly complete 
discography, Doniac Schvice address ("has some 85,000 
subscribers"), hotline number and the URLs for the Netscape www 
site (archive.phish.net) and rec.music.phish newsgroup.  - JL) 
 

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Well I haven't been following the setlists, and I was dreaming last night 
about whether Phish would add dead covers, well look what just came

    Terrapin!

Tom
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

7/11, a Phish-only show at Shepherds Bush Empire in London, England

1. Runaway Jim, Cavern, Reba, I Didn't Know, Sparkle, Stash, Scent of a
Mule, Sample in a Jar

2. Harry Hood, Bouncing Around the Room, 2001, Maze, Lizards, Terrapin, You
Enjoy Myself, Ragtime Gal

E: A Day in the Life


  

    re .70
    
    I think they do the Syd Barrett "Terrapin," but I'd love to be proved
    wrong.
    
    Jamie

    Yep, it's NOT the Dead "Terrapin Station".
    
    --Brian
    

    
    Phish should rip out a dead tune....immediately!

Well, you know how PHISH does a cover album each halloween?
American Beauty would be a grate choice..... so would Dark Side!


i got some NY gazeteer maps... have all the maps of the area.
may go up this coming w-end for a scouting expidition...

phish used to cover dead tunes in the old days (84,85) and did an okay job
of it ... i have a few tapes with them covering dead tunes (scarlet, fire,
eyes) and they do a fine job ... but overall, IMO, phish covers are
generally disappointing ...

good times bad times, fire (hendrix), whipping post, among others, are tunes
that they've covered which just don't do justice to the originals ...

we went on a mini road trip a few years back and saw phish stick pink
floyd's "great gig in the sky" in the middle of "mike's song" and "weekapaug
groove" instead of the standard "i am hydrogen" and i could've cut diamonds
with my nipples when page started in on the keys ... it's still one of my
favorite moments from the twenty or so phish shows i've been to ... i later
got a copy of this tape, and upon listening to it, found that fish sorta
hacked the vocals a bit, but it turned out to be a fine cover, and always
reminds me of that moment in time when the philly crowd discovered that
phish was covering pink floyd ... 

one other nice cover that comes to mind is zappa's "peaches en regalia" ...
they've played this quite a bit and they do a fine job

dave matthews played "eyes" last year after jerry left and i was really
looking forward to hearing it ... when we finally did get a copy, i was a
bit disappointed ... dave is generally a rythym guitarist and couldn't
generate the sweet jerry licks in the middle of the song ... it's nice to
hear how psyched the crowd gets when they do realize that dave is giving
his dedication to "someone who jammed for so long" ... though i do enjoy
the feb 94 version of watchtower, when trey and popper came out to jam
with dmb ... very nice !

if phish does decide to cover dead tunes, let's hope trey can do justice to
jerry's style ... a long sweet spacy segue, like he escapes on in tunes
like "harry" or "slave" ... 

    ARm--
    
    my wife keeps telling me I **GOTTA** get in touch with you for some DMB
    stuff.....soon...ya, ya, I said that before....
    
    rfb

Hotline Message -- 7/23/96

Hello, you've reached the Phish hotline.  This is a new message as of 
July 23rd.  

Through July 25th, Phish will be touring in Europe.  These are the  
remaining European dates.

7/23, a Phish-only show at Markthalle in Hamburg, Germany;
7/24, the Music Hall in Hannover, Germany, opening for Santana; and
7/25, Stadtpark in Hamburg, Germany, opening for Santana.

In August Phish will return for a short US Summer Tour.  Mail order 
for the August shows is over, and all orders have been processed.  
The number to call for mail order problems on the newsletter order 
form is not correct; please do not call it.  The correct number is 
802.865.6959.  Please make a note of it.  If you have a problem with 
your Phish Tickets-by-Mail order, that is the number to call between 
10 am and 5 pm Eastern time Monday through Friday and no later 
than one week prior to the show in question.  If there were any 
problems with your order you must make contact in advance; mail 
order problems cannot be resolved on the night of the show.

These are the confirmed dates for Phish's U.S. summer tour.  

August 2nd, Wolf Mountain Amphitheater in Park City UT.  General 
admission tickets are still available at the Wolf Mountain box office 
with no service charge, at Smith's Stores and at Smithstix: 
800.888.8499. 

August 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th, Red Rocks Amphitheater in Morrison Co.  
All four shows are sold out.  Please do not come to Red Rocks if you 
do not have tickets to the shows; thank you.

August 10th, Alpine Valley in East Troy WI.  General admission 
tickets are still available at the Alpine Valley box office with no 
service charge, at the box office at the World at Tinley Park with no 
service charge, and at TicketMaster: 312.559.1212. 

August 12th & 13th, Deer Creek Music Center in Noblesville IN.  Both 
shows are sold out.  Please do not come to Deer Creek if you do not 
have tickets to the shows; thank you.

August 14th, HersheyPark Stadium in Hershey PA.  This show is sold 
out.  Please do not come to Hershey if you do not have tickets to the 
show; thank you.  

and on August 16th and 17th, the Clifford Ball, in Plattsburgh, New 
York.  This event will include camping, activities, and three sets of 
Phish each day.  All tickets are general admission and they are on 
sale now at the Flynn Theatre box office, at Peacock Music in 
Plattsburgh, and at TicketMaster outlets throughout the NorthEast 
and charge-by-phone: 518.476.1000.  Camping tickets admit one 
vehicle, regardless of the number of passengers and they are 
available only at the Flynn Theatre and through TicketMaster 
charge-by-phone; camping tickets are not available from 
TicketMaster outlets or at Peacock Music.  
Please note:  Clifford Ball times have CHANGED as follows:
BOTH DAYS: lots open at 11 AM (not noon)
BOTH DAYS: doors open at 1 PM (not 2 PM)
FRIDAY: the showtime REMAINS 6:30 PM (this is unchanged)
SATURDAY:   showtime HAS BEEN CHANGED TO 3:30 PM (from 6:30)
The opening and closing times of the camping area are unchanged 
and are printed on every camping ticket.
The mail order tickets were printed prior to these changes, and so
the information printed on them is incorrect.  Tickets from 
TicketMaster and the Flynn Theatre were printed after these
changes were confirmed, therefore the times printed on those tickets 
are correct.

There will be a break after August 17th until mid-October, when the 
fall tour will begin.  Here are the dates for the first portion of the fall 
tour; more dates will be added to this list, including shows on the 
west coast.

October 16th, the Olympic Center in Lake Placid NY.  Seats will be 
reserved and tickets will go on sale September 14th at the box office: 
518.523.3330, and TicketMaster: 518.476.1000

October 17th, Bryce Jordan Center on the Penn State campus in 
University Park, PA.  Seats will be reserved and tickets will go on 
sale September 12th at the box office: 800.863.3336, Uni-Mart 
outlets, and TicketMaster: 814.456.7070

October 18th, Pittsburgh Civic Arena, Pittsburgh PA.  Seats will be 
reserved and tickets will go on sale September 13th at the box office 
and TicketMaster: 412.323.1919

October 19th, Marine Midland Arena, Buffalo NY.  Seats will be 
reserved and tickets will go on sale September 14th at the Buffalo 
Auditorium (Sabres) box office, Marine Midland box office and 
Fantastixx: 716.888.4000

October 21st & 22nd, Madison Square Garden, New York NY.  Seats 
will be reserved and tickets will go on sale September 12th at the 
box office and TicketMaster: 212.307.7171

October 23rd, Hartford Civic Center, Hartford CT.  Seats will be 
reserved and tickets will go on sale September 13th at the box office 
and TicketMaster: 860.525.4500

October 25th, Hampton Coliseum, Hampton VA.  Tickets will be 
general admission and they will go on sale September 14th at the 
box office and TicketMaster: 804.671.8100

October 26th, Charlotte Coliseum, Charlotte NC.  Seats will be 
reserved and tickets will go on sale September 20th at the box office 
and TicketMaster: 704.522.6500

October 27th, North Charleston Coliseum, North Charleston SC.  Seats 
will be reserved and tickets will go on sale September 21st at the 
box office and SCAT: 803.577.4500

October 29th, Leon County Civic Center, Tallahassee FL.  Seats will be 
reserved and tickets will go on sale September 21st at the box office 
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From: "Brian J. McBride" <[email protected]>
Subject: Clifford Ball Plattsburgh Web Site
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:19:58 -0400

I have put together a web site for the Plattsburgh - Clifford Ball
Concert. The site has as much info on what where when and how as well as
weather maps and directions to Plattsburgh.
http://www.slic.com/gmdealer/phish/phish.htm

Brian McBride
Plattsburgh,N.Y.

    
    Way Cool Brian. 
    
    Nice stuff.
    
    Sloan

feel like i'm floating on a cloud ... just can't wipe this :) off my face !

five days away from the grind with three days of fine music followed by
some great hiking ... peace of mind ... hope to meet up with some fun folks
at clifford ball ... have a grate time !

" whatever you do, take care of your shoes "

    
    Ya know, someone recently suggested that I try backpacking in the
    Adirondacks, my response was "hiking in New York???? NO F&*^$ WAY!!!!
    But, I've heard recently that they may be the most uncrowded 4ker's in
    the northeast....go figuure! 
    
    See ya at the show Armand! 

    >>try backpacking in the
    >>Adirondacks, my response was "hiking in New York???? NO F&*^$ WAY!!!!
    
    Dean,
    
    By all means go! The 46 4kers there are as nice as any in the Whites,
    and they are not as crowded. I went a couple of summers ago and there
    were a couple of days where I saw *no one* in the high peaks. It was
    too weird and true to believe, but was *wonderful*. 
    
    Stay away from Marcy, which is the exception to the rule. If you have
    time after the Phish show, there are day hikes to Algonquin, Colden,
    Porter, or Giant (and others but these are off the top of my head) that
    will give you a good indication of what the ADKs are like.
    
    Having hiked both the Whites and the ADKs I still have a fondness for
    the ADKs as I grew up there.
    
    I have the ADK trail guide if you want pointers to some trails for 
    another time.
    
    Mike
    

I picked up a copy of the ADK trail guide too ... thanks for the suggestions

Don't have specific plans yet, but it looks like we'll find a cozy place to
camp and hike in the high peaks region (someplace not too crowded)

Our first time in the ADK's !  We've hiked Mansield, Katahdin, Lafayette
Washington, Grand Canyon, etc, and it's always fun to find new peaks !

Not sure how much energy we'll have left in the old legs after dancin at
horde and clifford ball ... where there's a will there's a way !

what ever we do, we'll take care of our shoes !

    
    Sounds good.  I had this image of New York City hordes leaving on a 
    Friday night and heading for the mountains....too far for them I guess.  
    The commuter vacationland for NYC must be the Catskills.  I did have a 
    girlfriend that (appropriately) lived in a town called "Spectacle" which 
    was real nice.  Thats as far as I got out there.

>  New York City hordes leaving on a 
>  Friday night and heading for the mountains....too far for them I guess

No further for them, than for you!  But, yeah, beautiful area, and not
all that crowded, though I haven't really made any effort going after
4k's myself.  But, having gone to school in Albany, they had a camp
run by the student council up in the Adirondacks that we still go to 
to get together with the bozo's every few years.  Hmmm, maybe I should
see if anyone is interested in going sometime in the near future...

PeterT

    PeterT,
    
    Did you go to SUNY-Albany?  I remember the student council had a camp,
    but I can't quite remember the name..
    
    I just graduated in '94..  :-)  And in fact I was just invited today to
    go back and interview there for Digital!
    
    Alicia

    
    Clifford Ball review...the event of the century if you ask me...
    
    Me, Leblanc, afb, and Dave B. arrived at 1:00AM Friday morning to tent 
    city USA and setup about 1/4 mile from the car.  We were totally annoyed 
    all night by the generator_from_hell(tm) so, under sunny skies on Friday 
    AM we easily moved to the quiet hilltop location where Rich Fromm & friend,
    JC, Deb, John Watt and wife were camped out.   We could see the stage from
    the sight...it was a perfect sight with a view and not nearly as crowded as 
    Picard camground with a tent every six inches.
    
    The whole thing was extremely well organized.  There were 2 areas with
    about 50 sinks in each area.  Porta poty's around every corner, no
    lines.  There were these huge 25' cutouts of Clifford Ball himself 
    pointing you towards the showgrounds.  You could come and go in and out
    of the show as needed due to the well thought out wristband policy. This 
    policy was extremely convenient...between sets I could to the campsite, 
    sit on my ass and drink beers til the band came back on, then go back in.
    Various planes flew over all day displaying odd messages like "Running
    low on fuel...not kidding!!" or "Hopeless has exceptions" or "Landing
    gear is stuck".  The Thunderbirds, a stealth fighter, an ultralight and 
    a stunt plane provided quite an airshow all day.  We listened to
    Clifford Ball radio to stay abreast of events.
    
    Inside the concert area was a small hilltop village with candle makers, 
    glass blowing, arts, crafts, flatbread being cooked in a hand made beehive
    fireplace, a miniature village with a church, town hall, store, and a
    barber shop where Rich Fromm could easily be found. ;-)  There were
    beertents selling Otter Creek, Thai restaraunt, falafel, Subway, burgers, 
    dogs and the famous "Air Sausage" tent.  You could get whatever you
    wanted.  Just outside of Clifford Square there were several carnival
    attractions set up including the famous giraffe moonwalk.  Twas a riot
    watching all the Phishheads bouncing around in the moonwalk.
    
    The first set the first night was so intense.  Almost everything I wanted 
    to hear was played.  Divided sky while the sun set was intense. I left 
    half way through the 3rd set and enjoyed the clear sound and the massive 
    fireworks display, from the campsite.  It was an incredible sight as I
    drank my beer and cooked burgers.
    
    Second day, things were getting more intense.  Went inside for Phish as
    they did a raging 3:30 set and then the Clifford Ball orchestra played a
    set so we went back to the campsite and listened to it on Clifford Ball
    radio.  Things got even more intense so we scambled in around 8:00PM
    for Phish to come out and do the 2nd and 3rd sets.  Met Rich Fromm in
    the barber shop, then lost everyone so I moved forward0 and was able enjoy
    the 3rd set from right next to the soundboard.  They played Harpua and
    eneded to show quick to accomodate for the stunt pilot flying over
    shooting sparks out from the wings of the plane...utterly intense. 
    What a show!!!  
    
    The only major problem was getting out Sunday morning.  Waited 2 hours
    in horrid, unorganized traffic to leave out of one little exit.  Not
    good.
      
    Going back next year?????  You'd better believe it!!!!!!!!!  

    
    Oh yeah...there were acrobats on trampolines for the 3rd set.  At one
    point there was a skier and a snowboarder bouncing around doing
    tricks...the crowd was flipping out. Gee, what else did I forget?

re         <<< Note 528.88 by DELNI::DSMITH "Can you see the real me" >>>

    
>    Oh yeah...there were acrobats on trampolines for the 3rd set.  At one
>    point there was a skier and a snowboarder bouncing around doing
>    tricks...the crowd was flipping out. Gee, what else did I forget?
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

yeah, really.
so much to see/do, they really did go all out and put on one hell
of an event.  they kept things moving right along the whole time.  water
trucks kept filling the water tanks, the "kukka sucka" kept coming to
drain/clean the portos, etc.  and, everyone was very cool and easy
going.  i did not see or encounter a single "hard ass" security
person.  everyone was nice....  what a change!

>    PeterT,
>    
>    Did you go to SUNY-Albany?  I remember the student council had a camp,
>    but I can't quite remember the name..
 
	Dippikill (one of my workstations is named dippikill, in honor).
   
>    I just graduated in '94..  :-)  And in fact I was just invited today to
>    go back and interview there for Digital!
 
	I escaped in '77  and again in 1980 with some unfinished graduate
work, and the basis of some computer courses that would lead me here to 
DEC.  What type of job are you interviewing for?  For the school itself?
Or some sort of collaboration with Digital?

Great Dane?  Was that the school mascot or something?  
   
>    Alicia

PeterT_not_always_in_touch_with_what_goes_on_around_him... ;-)

    so where;s chris and his scintillating review
    
    ehh ????/
    
    

>   I did have a girlfriend that (appropriately) lived in a town
>   called "Spectacle" which was real nice.

Hmmm...Speculator, perhaps?  South of Indian Lake?  Home of Chas. Johns?

Dan (who married an Adirondacks lover, and became one himself)

    
    Yeah, thats it... Speculator.
    
    She lived on Indian Lake with her grandmother. 
    
    I miss those days.

> Indian Lake

Where the hell is that, exactly?  Some of my earliest memories, probably from
when I was 2 to 3, was a family trip to "Indian Lake".  Just a few images
remain, a cottage by the lake, a platform my older brothers could swim
out to and jump/dive off, a boat ride to an island/beach where we had a 
cookout in the sand, and me crawling around in the sand thinking that
the ability to think was pretty cool (not framed in those exact words
of course, it was the late 50's after all ;-)  I used that image of 
thinking great thoughts while crawling in the sand as the basis of
my college essay when applying for schools way back when.  Don't 
remember that it helped me though!

PeterT

> Indian Lake
>Where the hell is that, exactly?  Some of my earliest memories, probably from

oh, I.L is about 11 miles south of Blue Mountain Lake.

:-)  like that really helps you :-)

BML is pretty much dead-center in the Adirondak Preserve.
My parents (and I, when I was younger) have been going a place in BML for
about 20-25 years.  (I'm heading there this Sunday.)

 - josh

    and now an opinion from someone approx. 15 years older than the average
    phish phan......
    
        Great time!!!
    
      The whole concept of the wristbands and coming and going whenever
    you pleased is wonderful as was the way the Phish people thought and
    took care of just about everything......also they had this bunch of
    people called the green crew.  They were in charge of keeping the place
    relatively clean.  Sure there were bottles and broken glass around,
    but nowhere near the amounts I remember from infront of highgate last
    year.....I like phish music....you can dance to it.....I'm not about
    to become a phishhead....but.....this was truely a real good time...
    The whole weekend was just what I was missing.....traveling to a cool
    place....with good friends...to camp out with more good people...to
    party and groove on some good tunes....only two negatives from
    experience come to mind....1) never sleep next to a gas-powered
    generator, its like trying to sleep in your garage with the lawn-mower
    running...and...2) it took us almost 3 hours to get from the campsite
    to the road so we could go home......however....count me in for
    next year!!!!   Thanks to AFB, Leblanc, Deano, JC, Deb, John and his
    Deb, Rich F. and all the others for helping phish show me a good
    time!!! 
    
                    :-) daveb

    Phish is not my scene.
    BUT
    the company was most excellent.

    That's your report?  What about the music? Did you wear a dress?

	what chris mean't was:
	
	"i can't wait for mail order cuz i'm going on tour!!"
	
	signed,
	chris_phishead
	
	
	p.s. i held my breath all weekend for *that* !?
	
	;-)
	

    what chris meant was that he enjoyed the company of his fellow deccies
    but did not dig the intense constant soloing by a band whose repetitive
    lyrics caused him to have a dull, rusty butter knife to his wrists...
    
    i wasn't really a big fan of the dead's extended jams at times so this
    was overkill
    
    and someone tell the drummer to get a new dress.....
    not only did he wear the same one both days..his color scheme was
    rancid
    :^)

Chris...

i love you man...

you can HAVE this Bud Light...  :^)

			da ve

    Anyone get the set lists?
    Curious about what gamehendge songs they played...
    how about goyute,(not sure about spelling)cool tune...Ross

    how about lizards? is that gamehendge?

    
    Check out...
    
    http://netspace.students.brown.edu:80/phish/current/
    
    for killer pictures, setlists..etc of Clifford Ball.

    
    8/16/96 The Clifford Ball, Plattsburgh Air Force Base, Plattsburgh NY
    
         I: Chalk Dust Torture, Bathtub Gin, Ya Mar, AC/DC Bag, Esther,
    	    Divided Sky, Halley's Comet, David Bowie 
         II: Split Open and Melt, Sparkle, Free, The Squirming Coil,
    	     Waste*, Talk*, Trainsong*, Strange Design*, Ragtime Gal**, Mike's Song
    	     > Simple > Contact > Weekapaug Groove 
         III: Makisupa Policeman, Also Sprach Zarathustra > Down With Disease, NICU, 
    	      Life on Mars, Harry Hood*** > Fireworks Jam*** 
           E: Amazing Grace** 
    
         * acoustic mini-set 
         ** acapella 
         *** with fireworks 
    
    
    8/17/96 The Clifford Ball, Plattsburgh Air Force Base, Plattsburgh, NY
    
         I: My Old Home Place, Punch You In the Eye, Reba, Cars Trucks and
    	    Buses, Lizards, Sample In a Jar, Taste, Fee, Maze, Suzie Greenberg 
    
         Orchestra: The Clifford Ball Orchestra played an orchestral set
    which included a bunch of stuff like Debussy, some ballet, Ravel,
    Gabriel Forte, Stravinsky and others. More info on this one later with a tour setlist
    compendium 
    
         II: The Curtain, Runaway Jim, It's Ice, Brother*, Fluffhead, Run
    	     Like an Antelope**, Golgi Apparatus, Slave to the Traffic Light 
    
         III: Wilson, Frankenstein, Scent of a Mule***, Tweezer#, A Day in
    	      the Life, Possum, Tweezer Reprise## 
    
         E: Harpua### 
    
         * With Ben & Jerry on guest vocals 
         ** A woman acrobat twirling in the rigging, or some circus-like
    	    thing similar. 
         *** With a Fishman solo instead of the typical Page/Trey duel 
         # With big trampolines on either side of the stage and more circus
    	   stuff 
         ## A stunt plane circles around 
         ### Also with the stunt plane, a short Harpua missing the "Oom Pah
    	     Pah" opening and cut short before finishing. 
    
          

    
    >         I: Chalk Dust Torture, Bathtub Gin, Ya Mar, AC/DC Bag, Esther,
    >            Divided Sky, Halley's Comet, David Bowie 
    
    	I could have left after this and been satisfied.

    re .103  lizards is part of gamehendge...
    Thanks for posting the set lists...
    I'm doing some fall tour,but its too bad i missed what looks 
    like some real solid shows...Ross
    
    
    

	when i first saw phish, i too was a little bored at the extended
jams.  where were they going?  to me, a lot of it was noise at first.  but,
i perservered (sp?).  i got some tapes and listened to them.  got to know
the music.  phish thrives on building tension and they take their time doing
it vs. the dead.  the dead do a similar program: build tension, then release.
for example, pretent you NEVER have heard Terrapin in your life.  ok, you
are now at a dead show and Terrapin is playing.  they're jamming, working
up to the "Inspiration..." release.  the crowd is getting nutty, and finally,
they release... jerry whales "Inspiration..." the best he can and BOOM!
tension release.  the crowd goes nuts.  the first time through, you won't
be able to really take part in the tension-release cycle because you did not
know what to expect.  but, next time you do.  it is the same with phish.
there are still plenty of songs i do not know cold, ie: do not know all
of the tension-release cycles/points of the song.  but, the more you learn,
the more you can enjoy... the more you can rise with the tension, and
finally they hit you hahd with the release.  this is what it is all about
for me... this is the root of the way the music moves me.  and, jerry and
the boyz practised this all the time.  sometimes they'd deliver intensely,
other times it was weak...  

    
    Yeah.  Very good description.
    
    Divided sky is the ultimate tension release (well...besides sex I
    guess).

niiice weekend !

horde fest @ great woods thursday night -> plattsburgh fryday morn

arrived in plattsburgh fryday with Dave T & co and set up camp ... 
emotions running high !  the show fryday just blew our minds ! 

the first set i will never forget - excellent song selection, great
crowd, a chance to do fun things we've never done in a phish show  :)

a little bummed i didn't get a chance to meet up with fellow DECheads
after the first set ... we headed out to our camp for some nekid dancing
and intermission delight !  :)

the wrist-band "come and go as you please" thing was incredibly convenient

saturday was a bit more laid back ... the orchestra really soothed the
crowd ... a good opportunity to visit the clifford town atop the hill 

we were a bit confused at the end of the "harpua" encore saturday ...
harpua usually has a story about jimmy in the middle, different every
time, and this one seemed to have good potential ... trey started the
story with jimmy's dream that he could fly, while a plane circled overhead
and sprayed fireworks-type of sparks off its wing tips ... really nice,
but the band just cut the song short ... maybe we were expecting some
sort of inspirational message from the band ... the band disappeared
and the plane vanished into the midnight sky ... pretty weird

leaving sunday was like squeezing a watermelon through a garden hose  :(
we made the best of it ... we had a make-shift shower in my truck and we
provided free spray-downs to help cool pholk's temporaments (sp?) ...
cool way to help spread good vibes  :)

off to the adirondacks !  we hiked mount marcy on monday (elev 5344'),
and it was surprisingly not crowded ... 18-mile hike in eleven hours ...
and some beautiful weather to enjoy some fine views  :)  

we wrapped up our clifford ball weekend in vermont ... gravy fries at
nectars in burlington, followed by skinny dipping in the white river :)

all in all, one weekend we'll not soon forget ! :)

need we say, "see you at the ball next year !"  ?

re -.103 :

gamehendge has been performed live in its entirity five times ... it was
also recorded in studio as trey's senior thesis in college ... i have all
six copies on tape if anybody's interested ... here are the setlists, which
vary a bit from show to show :

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Man Who Stepped Into Yesterday
Trey's senior thesis - The Gamehendge Saga
A: Wilson Prelude > Intro. Narrative > Lizards, Tela > Traveling Narrative >
Wilson > Palmer Narrative > AC/DC Bag  > Betrayal Jam > Narrative
B: Con'l Forbin's Ascent > Famous Mockingbird > Erin Wolfe's Narrative >
The Sloth > Colonel Forbin's Ascent In The Dungeon, Possum
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 3-12-88  Nectar's, Burlington, VT
Jump Monk, McGrupp, Lizards, Tela, Wilson, AC/DC Bag, Colonel Forbin's
Ascent > Fly Famous Mockingbird, The Sloth, Possum, Antelope^
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
10-13-91  North Shore Surf Club, Olympia, WA
1: Runaway Jim, Wilson, Reba, The Landlady, Colonel Forbin's Ascent >
Fly Famous Mockingbird, Tela, AC/DC Bag, The Sloth, McGrupp,
Mike's Song > I am Hydrogen > Weekapaug Groove
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 3-22-93  Crest Theater, Sacramento, CA
2: Golgi Apparatus, It's Ice > Lizards > Tela > Wilson > AC/DC Bag >
Colonel Forbin's Ascent > Fly Famous Mockingbird > The Sloth > McGrupp
Mike's Song > I am Hydrogen > Weekapaug Groove
Gamehendge narration before Lizards and through McGrupp
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 6-26-94  Municipal Auditorium, Charleston, WV
1: Kung > Llama > Lizards > Tela > Wilson > AC/DC Bag > Colonel Forbin's
Ascent > Fly Famous Mockingbird > The Sloth > McGrupp > Divided Sky
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 7-08-94  Great Woods, Mansfield, MA
1: Llama > N2O > Lizards > Tela > Wilson > AC/DC Bag > Colonel Forbin's
Ascent > Fly Famous Mockingbird > The Sloth > McGrupp > Divided Sky
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"possum", antelope", "jump monk", "reba", "runaway jim", "golgi", "ice",
"divided sky", "mike's -> groove", "kung" are not usually part of the
gamehendge saga ... phish is working on an interactive CD to be released
late next year which will take us to gamehendge  :)

quality of my gamehendge tapes :  trey's thesis i would rate as a bit
rough, but it's definitely worth checking out ... tough to find a great
quality of this version ... the live versions are fine, and i'd say the
great woods version is the lowest quality live version since it's an
AUDience master ... the best one sound wise is probably the 6-26-94

      MTV news says the attendance at the Ball was only 70K.....but
    it was the biggest concert event in N. America so far this year...

I picked up the sunday paper in plattsburgh, which had a decent review of
the fryday show ... it said that 75,000 attended the show ... i assume this
means they handed out 75,000 wristbands ... there were many wandering
around without wristbands ... could have been 100,000 in attendance total

when we arrived fryday around noon the gentleman handing out the wristbands
told us there were 300,000+ in the camping area already ... maybe he was
hanging around those nitrous tanks a wee bit too long 

not sure who made more money ... the guys selling thousands of nitrous
balloons at $5 a piece or the guys selling 30 lb. bags of ice for $15  :(

           <<< Note 528.113 by SUBSYS::TURCOTTE "Armand Turcotte" >>>
                                    -< 75K >-

>I picked up the sunday paper in plattsburgh, which had a decent review of
>the fryday show ... it said that 75,000 attended the show ... i assume this
>means they handed out 75,000 wristbands ... there were many wandering
>around without wristbands ... could have been 100,000 in attendance total

>when we arrived fryday around noon the gentleman handing out the wristbands
>told us there were 300,000+ in the camping area already ... maybe he was
>hanging around those nitrous tanks a wee bit too long 

Aerial photos show crowds numbering close to 450 to 500K.
The NY state thruway was shutdown.
don't eat the brown acid.

:) bob

We picked up the sunday, august 18 "Press-Republican" newspaper after we
left Plattsburgh, and read some interesting stuff about the festival :

1) stealth gig ?

   "Phish hopped on a flatbed truck and headed straight for a crowd of fans
and overnight campers about 3:15 A.M. Saturday, perfroming for at least an
hour".

   Anybody see this stealth gig ?  we were crashed in our tents, i haven't
heard anybody say anything about it ... just figured i'd ask


2) i now declare you phan and wife

   a lengthy story about the couple who got married in Clifford Ball square
(too long for my lazy butt to type in here)


3) the wanderer

   "Amanda Howard, a 25-year old Phish fan from WestChester, PA, found a
21-month-old male child wandering near the main box office area about 9:00
A.M. Saturday. The fan immediately took the child, Sequoia Pilapil, to State
Police. Troopers there gave him a teddy bear and picked up some juice and
spare diapers. They also put out an alert throughout the area and on Phish
radio. The mother, Iryna Proctor of Wellesley, MA, walked up to police an
hour later, reporting her son missing".

Pulled this over from the web site  www.phish.net


The orchestra set played between set I and set II saturday august 17 :


Orchestra set :The Clifford Ball Orchestra
               Debussy: Nocturnes (2 movements)
               Ravel: Pavane Pour une Enfante Defunte
               Debussy: Claire de Lune
               Ravel: Tombeau de Couperin (2 movements)
               Chavrier: Joyeux Muse
               Faure: Pelleas et Mellisandre (2 movements)
               Stravinsky: The Firebird (2 movements)

    
    >Anybody see this stealth gig ?  we were crashed in our tents, i
    >haven't heard anybody say anything about it ... just figured i'd ask
    
    I saw em, I and heard em, but had absolutely no idea it was really 
    Phish.  I remember being amazed at how the band on the truck was
    getting it's power.

    read about the flatbed gig in a few different places....also about the
    new bumpersticker that the phishtourheads have out that is sorta
    against the "trustfund-take a bath" phishheads...Clean People Suck..
    also read some tirades on the Phish Phan webpage by "the clean people"
    really putting down the tourheads...tour scum was the word most often
    used. 
    
    rfb
    

    Sounds like there is dissension in utopia...

    btw anyone catch OJ on tv last night?  "The Lord is on my side..."
    

    see
    they even flame each other like deadheads

100k at CLifford no way.

80k tops.

more like 70k.



people most always OVER ESTIMATE numbers.
how many times have you been riding your bike thinking you were
going 50 mph when really the car next to you says you're going 27?