Conference rdvax::grateful

    
    Jim...I think it's note 14.2 that has the rumored information!
    
    

	Further

    More Further Dates - as usual please confirm before taking my word for
    it!
    
    ************************************************************************
    New hotline message as of April 22nd:
    
    June 23 Walnut Creek Amphitheater, Raliegh, NC - 5 PM
            First Mail in date - April 24th, Ticketmaster - May 4th
    Mail order prices: $30.25 reserved or lawn
    
    June 25 Virginia Beach Amphitheater, Virgnia Beach, VA - 5 PM
            First Mail in date - April 24th, Ticketmaster - May 3rd
    Mail order prices: $31.75 reserved or lawn
    
    June 26 Nissan Pavilion, Bristow, VA - 5 PM
            First Mail in date - April 24th, Ticketmaster - May 10th
    Mail order prices: $35 reserved and $30 lawn
    
    June 28 Deer Creek Music Center, Noblesville, IN - 5 PM
            First Mail in date - April 24th, Ticketmaster - May 4th
    Mail order prices: $30 reserved and $27 lawn
    
    Maximum 6 tickets per concert.
    
    Mail-in address:
    
    GDTS Too - Furthur Festival Name of Concert
    Box C-S 8150
    San Rafael CA 94912
    
    For shows with different prices for reserved seating and general
    admission lawn, separate money orders should be written for the price of 
    lawn tickets and for the difference if you are ordering reserved tickets 
    and are willing to accept lawn tickets.
    
    Virginia Beach and Bristow can be ordered in the same envelope.
    The others in this set must be ordered separately.

	so far, these have been right on the money with what was rumored
	in 14.2...

	I'm waiting to hear some west coast dates

    lester has always been right on with his rumors/predictions....psycic??
    
    rfb

    ***************************************
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    ON THE ROAD AGAIN      April 23, 1996
    
    The Spirit endures, and so does music.  Musicians must play, and Dead
    Heads must dance.  It's time to move on -- and hit the road.  
    
    The Grateful Dead Family and Metropolitan Entertainment take great
    pleasure in announcing our summer '96 tour:   "The Furthur Festival," with
    band members Bob Weir (Ratdog with Rob Wasserman, Matthew Kelly, Jay Lane,
    and the legendary Johnnie Johnson), Mickey Hart (Mickey Hart's Mystery Box),
    unofficial band member Bruce Hornsby, and old friends Los Lobos and Hot
    Tuna.
     
    
    With the Flying Karamazov Brothers and acoustic musicians between acts
    and an all-out Vendor's Faire on the concourse, the guys are ready to do 
    what they do best -- spread joy across America.  The tour will run from 
    June 20 to August 4, hitting 31 amphitheatres across the country.
    
    The whole is even greater than the sum of its parts, and this is quite
    a whole;  together we expect the special magical synergy that has taken
    all of us down thirty years of so many, many roads.
    The spirit doesn't just endure; it can triumph.
    Put on your dancing shoes!
    
    Comments are available from:
      John Scher, Metropolitan Entertainment
      Cameron Sears, Grateful Dead Productions
    
    Contact:  D. McNally at (415) 648-4832
    
    The dates:
    
    6/20  Lakewood Amph.     Atlanta, GA
    6/22  Blockbuster Pav.   Charlotte, NC
    6/23  Walnut Creek       Raleigh, NC
    6/25  Va. Beach Amph.    Va. Beach, VA
    6/26  Nissan Pav.        Bristow, VA
    6/28  Deer Creek M. C.   Noblesville, IN
    6/29  Alpine Valley      E. Troy, WI
    6/30  The World          Chicago, IL
    7/2   Blossom M. C.      Cuyahoga Falls, OH
    7/3   Pine Knob M. C.    Clarkston, MI
    7/4   Darien Lake Amph.  Darien Center, NY
    7/6   Saratoga PAC       Saratoga, NY
    7/7   The Meadows        Hartford, CT
    7/8   The Ballpark       Old Orchd. Bch., ME
    7/10  Great Woods PAC    Mansfield, MA
    7/11  Liberty State Park Jersey City, NJ
    7/12  Entertainment Ctr. Camden, NJ
    7/14  Star Lake          Burgettstown, PA
    7/15  Polaris Amph.      Columbus, OH
    7/17  Riverport Amph.    St. Louis, MO
    7/18  Sandstone          Kansas City, KS
    7/20  Fiddlers Green     Denver, CO
    7/22  Wolf Mountain      Salt Lake City, UT
    7/24  TBA
    7/25  Cal Expo           Sacramento, CA
    7/27  County Fairgrounds Eugene, OR
    7/28  County Fairgrounds Eugene, OR
    7/30  Shoreline Amph.    Mountain View, CA
    8/1   Irvine Meadows     Irvine, CA
    8/2   TBA
    8/3   TBA
    8/4   Desert Sky Pav.    Phoenix, AZ
    
    

Gratewoods ain't gonna be able to handle the crowd!

	7/8   The Ballpark       Old Orchd. Bch., ME

	da beach!!!  :-)
	
	awrite!    

    
    7/20 Fiddlers Green In Denver........
    
    A SATURDAY too......
    
     . . 
      ,
    \___/
    
    Nothing to do but smile,smile,smile
    
    Divide Dave

    Can't get thru to the hotline to verify and sorry this is all caps but
    that's how I received it - note that some of the "only" MO dates are
    tomorrow 4/26!!!!! Sorry for the late notice and as always please
    verify this info before sending out your mail order!
    
    A posting by GDTS Too ticket czar Steven E. Marcus on the well at Wed
    24 Apr 96 19:49 (sorry for the "shouting", but that's how he posted it).
    
     Here is what I just added to the West Coast hotline about 30 minutes ago:
     
     JUNE 29TH:  ALPINE VALLEY MUSIC THEATRE IN EAST TROY, WISCONSIN. SEATING IS
     RESERVED DOWN FRONT AND GENERAL ADMISSION ON THE LAWN.  SHOWTIME IS 5 P.M.
     THE FIRST MAIL IN DATE WILL BE APRIL 29TH.  TICKETS WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE
     AT TICKETMASTER STARTING MAY 18TH.
     
     JUNE 30TH: THE WORLD IN TINLEY PARK, ILLINOIS.  SEATING IS RESERVED DOWN
     FRONT AND GENERAL ADMISSION ON THE LAWN.  SHOWTIME IS 4 P.M. THE FIRST
     MAIL IN DATE WILL BE APRIL 29TH.  TICKETS WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE AT
     TICKETMASTER STARTING MAY 18TH.
     
     JULY 2ND:  THE BLOSSOM MUSIC CENTER IN CUYAHOGA FALLS, OHIO.  SEATING IS
     RESERVED DOWN FRONT AND GENERAL ADMISSION ON THE LAWN.  SHOWTIME IS 4:30
     P.M. THE FIRST MAIL IN DATE WILL BE APRIL 29TH.  TICKETS WILL ALSO BE
     AVAILABLE AT TICKETMASTER STARTING MAY 17TH.
     
     JULY 3RD:  PINE KNOB MUSIC CENTER IN CLARKSTON, MICHIGAN.  SEATING IS
     RESERVED DOWN FRONT AND GENERAL ADMISSION ON THE LAWN.  SHOWTIME IS 4 P.M.
     THE FIRST MAIL IN DATE WILL BE APRIL 29TH.  TICKETS WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE
     AT TICKETMASTER STARTING MAY 17TH.
     
     JULY 4TH:  THE DARIEN LAKE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER IN DARIEN CENTER,
     NEW YORK.  SEATING IS RESERVED DOWN FRONT AND GENERAL ADMISSION ON THE
     LAWN. SHOWTIME IS 4 P.M. THE ONLY MAIL IN DATE WILL BE APRIL 26TH.  TICKETS
     WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE AT TICKETMASTER STARTING MAY 4TH.
     
     JULY 7TH:  THE MEADOWS MUSIC THEATRE IN HARTFORD, CT.  SEATING IS RESERVED
     DOWN FRONT AND GENERAL ADMISSION ON THE LAWN.  SHOWTIME IS 4 P.M. THE ONLY
     MAIL IN DATE WILL BE APRIL 26TH.  TICKETS WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE AT
     TICKETMASTER STARTING MAY 4TH.
     
     JULY 12TH:  THE BLOCKBUSTER-SONY MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT CENTRE IN CAMDEN NEW
     JERSEY.  SEATING IS RESERVED DOWN FRONT AND GENERAL ADMISSION ON THE LAWN.
     SHOWTIME IS 4 P.M. THE FIRST MAIL IN DATE WILL BE APRIL 29TH.  TICKETS
     WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE AT TICKETMASTER STARTING MAY 18TH.
     
     JULY 14TH:  STAR LAKE  AMPHITHEATRE IN BURGETTSTOWN, PENNSYLVANIA.  SEATING
     IS RESERVED DOWN FRONT AND GENERAL ADMISSION ON THE LAWN.  SHOWTIME IS
     4 P.M. THE FIRST MAIL IN DATE WILL BE MAY 3RD.  TICKETS WILL ALSO BE
     AVAILABLE AT TICKETMASTER STARTING MAY 25TH.
     
     JULY 15TH:  THE POLARIS AMPHITHEATRE IN COLUMBUS, OHIO.  SEATING IS 
     RESERVED DOWN FRONT AND GENERAL ADMISSION ON THE LAWN.  SHOWTIME IS 4 P.M.
     THE FIRST MAIL IN DATE WILL BE MAY 3RD.  TICKETS WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE AT
     TICKETMASTER STARTING MAY 24TH.
     
     JULY 17TH:  RIVERPORT AMPHITHEATRE IN MARYLAND HEIGHTS, MISSOURI. SEATING
     IS RESERVED DOWN FRONT AND GENERAL ADMISSION ON THE LAWN.  SHOWTIME IS
     4:30 P.M. THE FIRST MAIL IN DATE WILL BE MAY 3RD.  TICKETS WILL ALSO BE
     AVAILABLE AT TICKETS NOW STARTING MAY 18TH.
     
     JULY 18TH:  SANDSTONE AMPHITHEATRE IN KANSAS CITY, KANSAS.  SEATING IS
     RESERVED DOWN FRONT AND GENERAL ADMISSION ON THE LAWN.  SHOWTIME IS P.M.
     THE FIRST MAIL IN DATE WILL BE MAY 3RD.  TICKETS WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE AT
     TICKETMASTER STARTING MAY 18TH.
     
     THE FOLLOWING TICKET PRICES ALREADY INCLUDE THE MAIL ORDER SERVICE CHARGE
     OF $2.50 PER TICKET, SO YOUR TOTAL MAIL ORDER TICKET PRICES ARE AS
     FOLLOWS:
     
     ALPINE VALLEY-$35.25 RESERVED/$27.75 LAWN
     THE WORLD-35.25 RESERVED/27.75 LAWN
     BLOSSOM MUSIC CENTER-$35.25 RESERVED/$28.25 LAWN
     PINE KNOB-$31.00 RESERVED OR LAWN
     DARIEN LAKE-$35.00 RESERVED/$29.50 LAWN
     MEADOWS MUSIC THEATRE-$37.00 RESERVED/$30.00 LAWN
     BLOCKBUSTER/SONY MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT CENTRE-$35.00 RESERVED/$27.50LAWN
     STAR LAKE-$28.75 RESERVED OR LAWN
     POLARIS AMPHITHEATRE-$30.00 RESERVED/$27.00 LAWN
     RIVERPORT AMPHITHEATRE-$29.00 RESERVED OR LAWN
     SANDSTONE AMPHITHEATRE-$29.00 RESERVED OR LAWN
     
     YOU MAY ORDER UP TO 6 TICKETS PER CONCERT.  YOU MAY ORDER  VIRGINIA
     BEACH AND BRISTOW TOGETHER IN ONE ORDER, BUT DEER CREEK MUST BE ORDERED IN
     A SEPARATE ORDER. YOU MAY ORDER ALPINE AND THE WORLD  TOGETHER IN ONE
     ORDER.
     YOU MAY ORDER BLOSSOM AND PINE KNOB  TOGETHER IN ONE ORDER. DARIEN LAKE,THE
     MEADOWS AND CAMDEN MUST BE ORDERED IN SEPARATE ORDERS.  YOU MAY ORDER
     STAR LAKE AND POLARIS AMPHITHEATRE TOGETHER IN ONE ORDER.  YOU MAY ORDER
     RIVERPORT AND SANDSTONE TOGETHER IN ONE ORDER.  ONE ORDER PER PERSON AND
     EACH PERSON MUST FILL OUT THEIR OWN MAIL ORDER.  DUPLICATIONS OF ANY KIND
     WILL CAUSE DISQUALIFICATION OF ALL INVOLVED ORDERS.  WRITE ANYTHING ON
     YOUR ORDER IF YOU WILL ACCEPT LAWN INSTEAD OF RESERVED, OR WRITE RESERVED
     ONLY IF THAT IS ALL YOU WILL ACCEPT.
     
     THE MAIL ORDER FOR ATLANTA AND CHARLOTTE IS OVER.  THE FIRST DATE TO MAIL 
     IN FOR VIRGINIA BEACH, BRISTOW AND NOBLESVILLE WAS APRIL 24TH. THE FIRST
     MAIL IN DATE FOR ALPINE, THE WORLD, BLOSSOM, PINE KNOB AND CAMDEN IS APRIL
     29TH. THE ONLY MAIL IN DATE FOR DARIEN LAKE AND THE MEADOWS IS APRIL 26TH. 
     THE FIRST MAIL IN DATE FOR STAR LAKE, POLARIS, RIVERPORT AND SANDSTONE IS
     MAY 3RD.
     
     RESERVED SEATS FOR THESE CONCERTS ARE LIMITED.  IF YOU WANT TO MAKE
     SURE THAT YOU GET TICKETS REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY ARE RESERVED OR LAWN,
     THEN ENCLOSE TWO MONEY ORDERS.  ONE FOR THE LAWN PRICE, IN CASE THAT'S ALL
     WE HAVE LEFT,  AND ANOTHER MONEY ORDER FOR THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LAWN
     AND RESERVED PRICES.  THE DIFFERENCE IS AS FOLLOWS:
     
     FOR BRISTOW-$5.00 PER TICKET.
     FOR NOBLESVILLE-$3.00 PER TICKET.
     FOR ALPINE-$7.50 PER TICKET.
     FOR THE WORLD-$7.50 PER TICKET.
     FOR BLOSSOM-$7.00 PER TICKET.
     FOR DARIEN LAKE-$5.50 PER TICKET.
     FOR THE MEADOWS-$7.00 PER TICKET.
     FOR CAMDEN-$7.50 PER TICKET.
     FOR POLARIS-$3.00 PER TICKET.
     
     MULTIPLY THE ABOVE AMOUNT BY THE NUMBER OF TICKETS YOUR ARE ORDERING. 
     IF WE HAVE RESERVED TICKETS LEFT WE WOULD USE BOTH MONEY ORDERS AND IF WE
     ONLY HAVE LAWN TICKETS LEFT WE WOULD USE JUST YOUR MONEY ORDER FOR LAWN
     TICKETS AND RETURN THE OTHER MONEY ORDER.  IF YOU ARE HAVING YOUR TICKETS
     SENT BACK BY REGISTERED MAIL, ADD THE $6.75 FEE TO THE MONEY ORDER FOR LAWN
     TICKETS.
     
     
     The address is the same as before...
    
     

    In the latest posting (4/25) in the Official Grateful Dead homepage,
    the Great Woods and Maine shows are listed but there is no ticket price
    or mail order date information. Anyone know?
    
    This is the complete text from the homepage.
    
    

                             ON THE ROAD AGAIN

The spirit endures, and so does music. Musicians must play, and Dead Heads
must dance. It's time to move on -- and hit the road. The Grateful Dead
family and Metropolitan Entertainment take great pleasure in announcing our
summer '96 tour: "The Furthur Festival," with band members Bob Weir (Ratdog
with Rob Wasserman, Matthew Kelly, Jay land, and the legendary Johnnie
Johnson), and old friends Los Lobos and Hot Tuna. With The Flying Karamazov
Brothers and acoustic musicians between acts and an all-out Vendor's Faire
on the concourse, the guys are ready to do what they do best -- spread joy
across America. The tour will run from June 20 to August 4, hitting 31
amphitheatres across the country.

The whole is even grater than the sum of its parts, and this is quite a
whole; together, we expect the special magical synergy that has taken all
of us down thirty years of so many, many roads.

The spirit doesn't just endure; it can triumph.

Put on your dancing shoes!

6/20 Lakewood Amph. Atlanta, GA
6/22 Blockbuster Pav. Charlotte, NC
6/23 Walnut Creek Raleigh, NC
6/25 VaBeach Amph. Va.Beach, VA
6/26 Nissan Pavilion Bristow, VA
6/28 Deer Creek, M.C. Noblesville, IN
6/29 Alpine Valley E. Troy, WI
6/30 The World Chicago, IL
7/2 Blossom M.C. Cuyahoga Falls, OH
7/3 Pine Knob M.C. Clarkston, MI
7/4 Darien Lake Amph. Darien Center, NY
7/6 Saratoga PAC. Saratoga, NY
7/7 The Meadows Hartford, CT
7/8 The Ballpark Old Orch.Bch, ME
7/10 Great Woods PAC Mansfield, MA
7/11 Liberty State Park Jersey City, NJ
7/12 Entertainment Ctr Camden, NJ
7/14 Star Lake Burgettstown, PA
7/15 Polaris Amph. Columbus, OH
7/17 Riverport Amph. St. Louis, MO
7/18 Sandstone Kansas City, KS
7/20 Fiddlers Green Denver, CO
7/22 Wolf Mountain Salt lake City, UT
7/24 TBA
7/25 Cal Expo Amph. Sacramento, CA
7/27 Country Fairgrounds Eugene, OR
7/28 Country Fairgrounds Eugene, OR
7/30 Shoreline Amph. Mountain View, CA
8/1 Irvine Meadows Irvine, CA
8/2 TBA
8/3 TBA
8/4 Desert Sky Pav. Phoenix, AZ

June 20th: The Lakewood Amphitheatre in Atlanta, Georgia
Seating is reserved down front and general admission on the lawn.
Showtime is 5 P.M. The mail order for Atlanta is over. Tickets will be
available at Ticketmaster starting April 27th.

June 22nd: The Blockbuster Pavilion in Charlotte, North Carolina
Seating is reserved down front and general admission on the lawn.
Showtime is 4 P.M. The mail order for Charlotte is over. Tickets will be
available at Ticketmaster starting April 27th.

June 23rd: Walnut Creek Amphitheatre in Raleigh, North Carolina.
Seating is reserved down front and general admission on the lawn.
Showtime is 4 P.M. Tickets will be available by mail order starting April
24th. Tickets will be available at Ticketmaster starting May 4th.

June 25th: Virginia Beach Amphitheatre in Virginia Beach, Virginia.
Seating is reserved down front and general admission on the lawn.
Showtime is 4 P.M. Tickets will be available by mail order starting April
24th. Tickets will be available at Ticketmaster starting May 3rd.

June 26th: The Nissan Pavillion in Bristow, Virginia.
Seating is reserved down front and general admission on the lawn.
Showtime is 4 P.M. Tickets will be available by mail order starting April
24th. Tickets will be available at Ticketmaster starting May 10th.

June 28th: Deer Creek Music Center in Noblesville, Indiana.
Seating is reserved down front and general admission on the lawn.
Showtime is 4 P.M. Tickets will be available by mail order starting April
24th. Tickets will be available at Ticketmaster starting May 4th. (Please
Note that Tickets for the canceled Grateful Dead July 3rd 1995 Deer Creek
Concert will NOT be honored at this concert.

June 29th: Alpine Valley Music Theatre in East Troy, Wisconsin. Seating is
reserved down front and general admission on the lawn. Showtime is 5 P.M.
The first mail in date will be April 29th. Tickets will also be available
at Ticketmaster starting May18th.

June 30th: The World in Tinley Park, Illinois. Seating is reserved down
front and general admission on the lawn. Showtime is 4 P.M. The first mail
in date will be April 29th. Tickets will also be available at Ticketmaster
starting May 18th.

July 2nd: The Blossom Music Center in Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio. Seating is
reserved down front and general admission on the lawn. Showtime is 4:30
P.M. The first mail in date will be April 29th. Tickets will also be
available at Ticketmaster starting May 17th.

July 3rd: Pine Knob Music Center in Clarkston, Michigan. Seating is
reserved down front and general admission on the lawn. Showtime is 4 P.M.
The first mail in date will be April 29th. Thickets will also be available
at Ticketmaster starting May 17th.

July 4th: The Darien lake Performing Arts Center in Darien Center, New
York. Seating is reserved down front and general admission on the lawn.
Showtime is 4 P.M. The only mail in date will be April 26th. Tickets will
also be available at Ticketmaster starting May 4th.

July 7th: The Meadows Music Theatre in Hartford, Ct. Seating is reserved
down front and general admission on the lawn. Showtime is 4 P.M.. The only
mail in date will be April 26th. Tickets will also be available at
Ticketmaster starting May 4th.

July 12th: The Blockbuster-Sony Music Entertainment Centre in Camden, New
Jersey. Seating is reserved down front and general admission on the lawn.
Showtime is 4 P.M. The first mail in date will be April 29th. Tickets will
also be available at Ticketmaster starting May 18th.

July 14th: Star Lake Amphitheatre in Burgettstown, Pennsylvania. Seating is
reserved down front and general admission on the lawn. Showtime is 4 P.M.
The first mail in date will be May 3rd. Tickets will also be available at
Ticketmaster starting May 25th.

July 15th: The Polaris Amphitheatre in Columbus, Ohio. Seating is reserved
down front and general admission on the lawn. Showtime is 4 P.M.. The first
mail in date will be May 3rd. Tickets will also be available at
Ticketmaster starting May 24th.

July 17th: Riverport Amphitheatre in Maryland Heights, Missouri. Seating is
reserved down front and general admission on the lawn. Showtime is 4:30
P.M. The first mail in date will be May 3rd. Tickets will also be available
at Ticketmaster now starting May 18th.

July 18th: Sandstone Amphitheatre in Kansas City, Kansas. Seating is
reserved down front and general admission on the lawn. Showtime is 4 P.M.
The first mail in date will be May 3rd. Tickets will also be available at
Ticketmaster starting May 18th.

Atlanta & Charlotte - The Mail Order is over.
Raleigh - $30.25 Reserved or Lawn
Virginia Beach - $31.75 Reserved or Lawn
Bristow - $35.00 Reserved / $30.00 Lawn
Noblesville - $30.00 Reserved / $27.00 Lawn
Alpine Valley - $35.25 Reserved / $27.75 Lawn
The World - $35.25 Reserved / $27.75 Lawn
Blossom Music Center - $35.25 Reserved / $28.25 Lawn
Pine Knob - $31.00 Reserved Or Lawn
Darien lake - $35.00 Reserved / $29.50 Lawn
Meadows Music Theatre - $37.00 Reserved / $30.00 Lawn
Blockbuster/Sony Musiic Entertaimnent Centre - $35.00 Reserved / $27.50
Lawn
Polaris Amphitheatre - $30.00 Reserved / $27.00 Lawn
Riverport Amphitheatre - $29.00 Reserved or Lawn
Sandstone Amphitheatre - $29.00 Reserved or Lawn

PLEASE NOTE THERE WAS A PRICE CHANGE FOR ATLANTA: ATLANTA-$32.25 RESERVED /
$28.25 ON THE LAWN. IF YOU SENT IN AN ORDER FOR ATLANTA THAT IS INCORRECT
IT WILL BE FILLED, BUT WE WOULD APPRECIATE YOU SENDING US THE DIFFERENCE OF
$1.25 PER TICKET. WE ARE SORRY FOR THIS INCONVENIENCE.

You May order up to 6 tickets per concert. You may order Virginia Beach and
Bristow together in one order, but Deer Creek must be ordered in a separate
order. You may order Alpine and The World together in one order. You may
order Blossom and Pin Knob together in one order. Darien Lake, The Meadows
and Camden must be ordered in separate orders. You may order Star Lake and
Polaris Ammphitheatre together in one order. You may order Riverport and
Sandtone together in one order.

One order per person and each person must fill out their own mail order.
Duplications of any kind will cause disqualification of all involved
orders. Write ANYTHING on your order if you will accept lawn instead of
reserved, or write RESERVED ONLY if that is all you will accept.

The mail order for Atlanta and Charlotte is over. The first date to mail in
for Virginia Beach, Bristow and Noblsesville was April 24th. The first mail
in date for Alpine, The World, Blossom, Pine Knob and Camden is April 29th.
The only mail in date for Darien Lake and the Meadows is April 26th. The
first mail in date for Star Lake, Polaris, Riverport and Sandstone is May
3rd.

All orders must be sent in a #10 sized envelope. (This is important: on the
outside of your order to us list which concerts and how many tickets to
each concert that you want. Don't forget to put your full name and address
on the outside.) Your order must also include a #10 sized self-addressed
stamped envelope with 32 cents in postage for 1-8 tickets, 55 cents for 9
to 16 tickets and 78 cents for over 16 tickets. Also include a 3 x 5 index
card with your name, address, area code and phone number in the upper left
hand corner. List how many tickets and which concerts you want.

There will be an audio taping section at these concerts. It will be located
on the lawn in a roped off area. It will be very limited so please write
taper on your order if you are interested in taping. Taping is for
non-commercial home use only. All performances are the property of the
performing artist and The Further Festival, Inc.

We cannot be responsible for tickets lost, stolen or delivered late by the
post office. For this reason we strongly suggest that you have your order
sent back by registered mail. Please not that due to postal increases the
registration fee for this service has increased to $6.75. This includes a
charge to us for this service. Add the registered fee to your money order,
do not put extra stamps on your return envelope.

Your payment must be a postal money order or an American Express Money
Order only. No other payment will be accepted. No cash and
no personal checks. Make check payable to:
GDTS TOO-Further Festival.

Keep your receipt. If your order is not filled your payment will be
returned to you. Remember, orders will be filled on a first come, first
served basis by postmark not by when we receive them. We WILL accept
express mail, BUT NOT Federal Express, DHL, ect. And absolutely no metered
mail of any kind. This includes metered strips of any kind, so if you go to
the post office and give them money for postage make sure that they put on
actual stamps and not a metered strip. Make sure that your full name and
address are on the outside of your order to us, your return envelope and on
your payment. Also, make sure that your full name and address are on the
outside of your order to us, your return envelope and on your payment.
Also, make sure that your address is correct or your won't get your
tickets.

Reserved seats for these concerts are limited. If you want to make sure
that you get tickets regardless of whether they are reserved or lawn, then
enclose two money orders. One for the lawn price, in case that's all we
have left, and another money order for the difference between lawn and
reserved prices. The difference is as follows:

Bristol - $5.00 per ticket
Noblesville- $3.00 per ticket
Alpine - $7.50 per ticket
The World - $7.50 per ticket
Blossom - $7.00 per ticket
Adrian Lake - $5.50 per ticket
The Meadows - $7.00 per ticket
Camden - $7.50 per ticket
Polaris - $3.00 per ticket

Multiply the above amount by the number of tickets you are ordering. If we
have reserved tickets left we would us both money orders and if we only
have lawn tickets left we would use just your money order for lawn tickets
and return the other money order. If you are having your tickets sent back
by registered mail, add the $6.75 fee to the money order for lawn tickets.

The only address to send to is:

          GDTS TOO-FURTHER FESTIVAL (And put the concert you want)
                                Box C-S 8150
                        San Rafael, California 94912

We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.

If you are interested in participating in the vendor's fair please send a
self-addressed, stamped envelope with a request for information to:

                               Vendor's Fair
                                P.O.Box 1566
                            Montclair, NJ 07042

                        Thank you and Stay In Touch
    
    
    

	tickets for grate woods, $31.00 go on sale 5/25 9am
	next ticketing: (617) 423-next
	show starts at 4pm, doors open at 2:30

    Just sent my mail order out for Darien Lake and boy did that feel
    strange!! Never thought I'd be going through those motions again. The
    guy at the PO looked at me funny when I asked him for money orders. He
    says, "You're kidding right?" So I explained the whole thing to him and
    he just kinda laughed and set me up like in the old days. Weirdest part
    is (altho it's only about 1/10th what it used to be) I am experiencing
    MOSS once again - and it is good!   ;^)  

    Where exactly *is* Darien Lake?
    
    /b

    Darien Lake is just outside of Rochester, New York - about 80 miles
    west of Syracuse or 120 miles east of Buffalo. It's really a large
    theme park (rollercoasters and ferris wheels, etc) and camping area but
    it does have a small (~7500 capacity) ampitheteatre there too. 
    
    Quite frankly I'm surprised that's one of the stops! Will definitely
    fill up fast! At least there's camping right on site - park the vehicle
    at the campsite and walk down the road to the show.  

	Furthur

	I did mailorder too on Friday...going for the Hartford show...
	it felt good to go thru the motions and send everything off
	to GDTS(TOO) instead of speed-dialing to Ticketshafter...

	but I have to admit, while I'm looking forward to it, I in
	no way had the same sort of ~excitement~ I had sending mailorder
	for a Deadshow...

	Debess

	isn't it interesting that they're having vending?
	last year they were asking that people not vend - that that
	attracted the ticketless hoardes - but now I guess as long
	as it's inside(?), presumably for-a-fee - it's sanctioned?!?
	
	Debess

    Did I see mention of mail order for SPAC starting today?  Can't find
    anything about it in here.
    
    Pete

�      <<< Note 526.19 by USOPS::KIBLING "You know all the rules by now" >>>
�                       -< forgetful old fart disease? >-

�    Did I see mention of mail order for SPAC starting today?  Can't find
�    anything about it in here.
    
    see 17.27

    And Liberty State Park?  Rumour has it starts on Thursday, $37.50 for
    tickets.  However, I can't confirm with the hotline - constantly busy,
    busy, busy!
    
    Fredda

July 11th: Liberty State Park in Jersey City, New Jersey. 
Liberty State Park - $37.00 General Admission
All seating is general admission.
Showtime is 4 P.M. Tickets will be available by mail order. 
The only mail in date for Jersey City will be May 2nd. 
Tickets will also be available from Ticketmaster starting May 4th.
	
	

    
    Looks as though Old Orchard Beach is the where-it's-at
    show for the Northeast.
    
    A lot people I've been speaking with will be going to that 
    one.  

    Let me be clear on this...
    
    Liberty St Pk is $37.00
    
    Not, $37.50?
    
    Fredda
    
    

	according to the official grateful dead web site.
	i didn't call the hotline to confirm.
	i cut and pasted the info.
	
	Jay

    The hotline says 37.50
    

    I guess the hotline is the most reliable source.  $37.50 it is then.
    
    Fredda

	i cut and pasted from the web site yesterday.
	today it says $37.50
	i'd say the hotline is the source in any case.
	
	(hope i didn't create any pre-moss moss  ;-)
	

    I had a mini-moss episode!  But, I'm much better now.
    
    Back to see my friends at the PO!~
    
    Fredda     

So how much $$ are the mail-order tix for Old Orchid Beach, Me? 
I read this whole damn note and didn't see that anywhere!

 - Josh

    Josh -
    	The info I have lists this:
    
    Orchard Beach Ball Park - $29.00 General Admission
    
    							Jeff

<sheepishly, head cowered down>  Yes, I should have surfed before I noted...
Just checked into the Official GD website and drilled down to the Further
page... text reposted here:

ON THE ROAD AGAIN 

The spirit endures, and so does music. Musicians must play, and Dead
Heads must dance. It's time to move on -- and hit the road. The
Grateful Dead family and Metropolitan Entertainment take great
pleasure in announcing our summer '96 tour: "The Furthur Festival,"
with band members Bob Weir (Ratdog with Rob Wasserman, Matthew
Kelly, Jay Land, and the legendary Johnnie Johnson), Mickey Hart
(Mickey Harts Mystery Box) unofficial member Bruce Hornsby, and old
friends Los Lobos and Hot Tuna. With The Flying Karamazov Brothers
and acoustic musicians between acts and an all-out Vendor's Faire on
the concourse, the guys are ready to do what they do best -- spread joy
across America. The tour will run from June 20 to 
August 4, hitting 31 amphitheatres across the country.

The whole is even grater than the sum of its parts, and this is quite a
whole; together, we expect the special magical synergy that has taken
all of us down thirty years of so many, many roads.

The spirit doesn't just endure; it can triumph.

Put on your dancing shoes!

6/20 Lakewood Amph. Atlanta, GA 
6/22 Blockbuster Pav. Charlotte, NC
6/23 Walnut Creek Raleigh, NC
6/25 Va.Beach Amph. Va.Beach, VA
6/26 Nissan Pavilion Bristow, VA
6/28 Deer Creek, M.C. Noblesville, IN
6/29 Alpine Valley E. Troy, WI
6/30 The World Chicago, IL
7/2 Blossom M.C. Cuyahoga Falls, OH 
7/3 Pine Knob M.C. Clarkston, MI
7/4 Darien Lake Amph. Darien Center, NY
7/6 Saratoga PAC. Saratoga, NY
7/7 The Meadows Hartford, CT 
7/8 The Ballpark Old Orch.Bch, ME
7/10 Great Woods PAC Mansfield, MA
7/11 Liberty State Park Jersey City, NJ
7/12 Entertainment Ctr Camden, NJ
7/14 Star Lake Burgettstown, PA
7/15 Polaris Amph. Columbus, OH
7/17 Riverport Amph. St. Louis, MO
7/18 Sandstone Kansas City, KS
7/20 Fiddlers Green Denver, CO
7/22 Wolf Mountain Salt lake City, UT
7/24 TBA
7/25 Cal Expo Amph. Sacramento, CA
7/27 Country Fairgrounds Eugene, OR
7/28 Country Fairgrounds Eugene, OR
7/30 Shoreline Amph. Mountain View, CA
8/1 Irvine Meadows Irvine, CA
8/2 TBA 
8/3 TBA 
8/4 Desert Sky Pav. Phoenix, AZ 


June 20th: The Lakewood Amphitheatre in Atlanta, Georgia
Seating is reserved down front and general admission on the lawn.
Showtime is 5 P.M. The mail order for Atlanta is over. Tickets will be
available at Ticketmaster starting April 27th.

June 22nd: The Blockbuster Pavilion in Charlotte, North Carolina 
Seating is reserved down front and general admission on the lawn. 
Showtime is 4 P.M. The mail order for Charlotte is over. Tickets will be
available at Ticketmaster starting April 27th. 

June 23rd: Walnut Creek Amphitheatre in Raleigh, North Carolina.
Seating is reserved down front and general admission on the lawn. 
Showtime is 4 P.M. The last mail in date was April 29th. Tickets will be
available at Ticketmaster starting May 4th.

June 25th: Virginia Beach Amphitheatre in Virginia Beach, Virginia.
Seating is reserved down front and general admission on the lawn. 
Showtime is 4 P.M. The last mail in date was be April 29th. Tickets will
be available at Ticketmaster starting May 3rd.

June 26th: The Nissan Pavilion in Bristow, Virginia.
Seating is reserved down front and general admission on the lawn. 
Showtime is 4 P.M. The first mail in date was April 24th, the last mail
in date will be May 2nd. Tickets will be available at Ticketmaster
starting May 10th.

June 28th: Deer Creek Music Center in Noblesville, Indiana.
Seating is reserved down front and general admission on the lawn. 
Showtime is 4:30 P.M. The last mail in date for Deer Creek was April
29th. Tickets will be available at Ticketmaster starting May 4th. (Please
Note that Tickets for the canceled Grateful Dead July 3rd 1995 Deer
Creek Concert will NOT be honored at this concert.

June 29th: Alpine Valley Music Theatre in East Troy, Wisconsin.
Seating is reserved down front and general admission on the lawn.
Showtime is 5 P.M. The first mail in date will be April 29th. Tickets will
also be available at Ticketmaster starting May18th.

June 30th: The World in Tinley Park, Illinois. Seating is reserved down
front and general admission on the lawn. Showtime is 4 P.M. The first
mail in date was April 29th. Tickets will also be available at
Ticketmaster starting May 18th.

July 2nd: The Blossom Music Center in Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio. Seating
is reserved down front and general admission on the lawn. Showtime is
4:30 P.M. The first mail in date was April 29th. Tickets will also be
available at Ticketmaster starting May 17th.

July 3rd: Pine Knob Music Center in Clarkston, Michigan. Seating is
reserved down front and general admission on the lawn. Showtime is 4
P.M. The first mail in date was April 29th. Tickets will also be available
at Ticketmaster starting May 17th.

July 4th: The Darien Lake Performing Arts Center in Darien Center,
New York. Seating is reserved down front and general admission on the
lawn. Showtime is 4 P.M. The mail order is over. The only mail in date
was April 26th. Tickets will be available at Ticketmaster starting May
4th.

July 6th: Saratoga Performing Arts Center in Saratoga Springs, New
York. Seating is reserved down front and general admission on the
lawn. Showtime is 4:30 P.M. The first mail in date will be April 30th.
The last mail in date will be May 3rd. Tickets will also be available at
Ticketmaster starting May 18th.

July 7th: The Meadows Music Theatre in Hartford, Ct. Seating is
reserved down front and general admission on the lawn. Showtime is 4
P.M. The mail order is over. The only mail in date was April 26th.
Tickets will be available at Protix starting May 4th. 

July 8th: The Old Orchard Beach Ballpark, Orchard Beach, Maine. All
tickets are general admission. Showtime is 3:30 P.M. Tickets will be
available by mail order starting May 3rd. Tickets will also be available
from Next starting May 25th. 

July 10th: The Great Woods Amphitheatre in Mansfield,
Massachusetts. Seating is reserved down front and general admission
on the lawn. Showtime is 4 P.M. Tickets will be available by mail order
starting May 3rd. Tickets will also be available from Next starting May
25th. 

July 11th: Liberty State Park in Jersey City, New Jersey. All seating is
general admission. Showtime is 4 P.M. Tickets will be available by mail
order. The only mail in date for Jersey City will be May 2nd. Tickets will
also be available from Ticketmaster starting May 4th.

July 12th: The Blockbuster-Sony Music Entertainment Centre in
Camden, New Jersey. Seating is reserved down front and general
admission on the lawn. Showtime is 4 P.M. The first mail in date was
April 29th. The last mail in date will be May 3rd. Tickets will also be
available at Ticketmaster starting May 18th.

July 14th: Star Lake Amphitheatre in Burgettstown, Pennsylvania.
Seating is reserved down front and general admission on the lawn.
Showtime is 4 P.M. The first mail in date will be May 3rd. Tickets will
also be available at Ticketmaster starting May 25th.

July 15th: The Polaris Amphitheatre in Columbus, Ohio. Seating is
reserved down front and general admission on the lawn. Showtime is 4
P.M. The first mail in date will be May 3rd. Tickets will also be available
at Ticketmaster starting May 24th.

July 17th: Riverport Amphitheatre in Maryland Heights, Missouri.
Seating is reserved down front and general admission on the lawn.
Showtime is 4:30 P.M. The first mail in date will be May 3rd. Tickets
will also be available at Tickets Now starting May 18th. 

July 18th: Sandstone Amphitheatre in Kansas City, Kansas. Seating is
reserved down front and general admission on the lawn. Showtime is 4
P.M. The first mail in date will be May 3rd. Tickets will also be available
at Ticketmaster starting May 18th.

July 20th: Fiddler's Green in Englewood, Colorado. Mail Order
Information will be announced May 3rd.

July 22nd: Wolf Mountain in Park City, Utah. Seating is reserved dow
front and general admission on the lawn. Showtime is 4 P.M. The first
mail in date will be May 3rd. Outlet onsale date will be announced soon.

Atlanta & Charlotte - The Mail Order is over.
Raleigh - $30.25 Reserved or Lawn
Virginia Beach - $31.75 Reserved or Lawn
Bristow - $35.00 Reserved / $30.00 Lawn
Noblesville - $30.00 Reserved / $27.00 Lawn
Alpine Valley - $35.25 Reserved / $27.75 Lawn
The World - $35.25 Reserved / $27.75 Lawn
Blossom Music Center - $35.25 Reserved / $28.25 Lawn
Pine Knob - $31.00 Reserved Or Lawn
Darien lake - The Mail Order is over.
Saratoga -$27.50 Reserved / $22.50 Lawn
Meadows Music Theatre - The mail order is over.
Orchard Beach Ball Park - $29.00 General Admission
Great Woods - $34.00 Reserved or Lawn
Liberty State Park - $37.50 General Admission
Blockbuster/Sony Music Entertainment Centre - $35.00 Reserved /
$27.50 Lawn
Star Lake - $28.75 Reserved or Lawn
Polaris Amphitheatre - $30.00 Reserved / $27.00 Lawn
Riverport Amphitheatre - $29.00 Reserved or Lawn
Sandstone Amphitheatre - $29.00 Reserved or Lawn
Wolf Mountain - $30.00 Reserved or Lawn

PLEASE NOTE THERE WAS A PRICE CHANGE FOR ATLANTA:
ATLANTA-$32.25 RESERVED / $28.25 ON THE LAWN. IF YOU
SENT IN AN ORDER FOR ATLANTA THAT IS INCORRECT IT
WILL BE FILLED, BUT WE WOULD APPRECIATE YOU SENDING
US THE DIFFERENCE OF $1.25 PER TICKET. WE ARE SORRY
FOR THIS INCONVENIENCE. 

You May order up to 6 tickets per concert. You may order Virginia
Beach and Bristow together in one order. You may order Alpine and
The World together in one order. You may order Blossom and Pine
Knob together in one order. You may order Star Lake and Polaris
Amphitheatre together in one order. You may order Riverport and
Sandstone together in one order. Raleigh, Saratoga, Old Orchard
Beach, Great Woods, Jersey City, Camden and Wolf Mountain must be
ordered in separate orders. 

One order per person and each person must fill out their own mail
order. Duplications of any kind will cause disqualification of all
involved orders. Write ANYTHING on your order if you will accept
lawn instead of reserved, or write RESERVED ONLY if that is all you
will accept. 

The mail order for Atlanta, Charlotte, Darien Lake and The Meadows
is over. The first date to mail in for Virginia Beach and Bristow was
April 24th. The first mail in date for Alpine, The World, Blossom, Pine
Knob and Camden was April 29th. The first mail in date for Saratoga
was April 30th. The only mail in date for Jersey City is May 2nd. The
first mail in date for Star Lake, Polaris, Riverport, Sandstone and Wolf
Mountain is May 3rd. 

All orders must be sent in a #10 sized envelope. (This is important: on
the outside of your order to us list which concerts and how many tickets
to each concert that you want. Don't forget to put your full name and
address on the outside.) Your order must also include a #10 sized
self-addressed stamped envelope with 32 cents in postage for 1-8
tickets, 55 cents for 9 to 16 tickets and 78 cents for over 16 tickets. Also
include a 3 x 5 index card with your name, address, area code and phone
number in the upper left hand corner. List how many tickets and which
concerts you want.

There will be an audio taping section at these concerts. It will be located
on the lawn in a roped off area. It will be very limited so please write
taper on your order if you are interested in taping. Taping is for
non-commercial home use only. All performances are the property of
the performing artist and The Furthur Festival, Inc.

We cannot be responsible for tickets lost, stolen or delivered late by the
post office. For this reason we strongly suggest that you have your order
sent back by registered mail. Please note that due to postal increases the
registration fee for this service has increased to $6.75. This includes a
charge to us for this service. Add the registered fee to your money order,
do not put extra stamps on your return envelope.

Your payment must be a postal money order or an American Express
Money Order only. No other payment will be accepted. No cash and 
no personal checks. Make check payable to:

GDTS TOO-Furthur Festival. 


Keep your receipt. If your order is not filled your payment will be
returned to you. Remember, orders will be filled on a first come, first
served basis by postmark not by when we receive them. We WILL accept
express mail, BUT NOT Federal Express, DHL, ect. And absolutely no
metered mail of any kind. This includes metered strips of any kind, so if
you go to the post office and give them money for postage make sure
that they put on actual stamps and not a metered strip. Make sure that
your full name and address are on the outside of your order to us, your
return envelope and on your payment. Also, make sure that your full
name and address are on the outside of your order to us, your return
envelope and on your payment. Also, make sure that your address is
correct or you won't get your tickets.

Reserved seats for these concerts are limited. If you want to make sure
that you get tickets regardless of whether they are reserved or lawn,
then enclose two money orders. One for the lawn price, in case that's all
we have left, and another money order for the difference between lawn
and reserved prices. The difference is as follows:

Bristol - $5.00 per ticket
Alpine - $7.50 per ticket
The World - $7.50 per ticket
Blossom - $7.00 per ticket
Saratoga - $5.00 per ticket
Camden - $7.50 per ticket
Polaris - $3.00 per ticket

Multiply the above amount by the number of tickets you are ordering.
If we have reserved tickets left we would us both money orders and if we
only have lawn tickets left we would use just your money order for lawn
tickets and return the other money order. If you are having your tickets
sent back by registered mail, add the $6.75 fee to the money order for
lawn tickets.


The only address to send to is:

GDTS TOO-FURTHER FESTIVAL (And put the concert you want)
Box C-S 8150
San Rafael, California 94912 


We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.

If you are interested in participating in the vendor's fair please send a
self-addressed, stamped envelope with a request for information to:

Vendor's Fair
P.O.Box 1566
Montclair, NJ 07042 

Thank you and Stay In Touch 

return to top of page 

	regarding the Vendors' Faire at the Furthur Festival...
	someone who inquired as to getting a booth was informed
	that the booths are $300 AND all 31 shows must be
	committed to - so that's $9300 up front (plus traveling 
	expenses across country) to vend legitimately...

	hmmmmmmmmmm.

	so, what this means to me is:

	- only someone/some company who has big bucks is going to
	be vending - kinda closes out the little guys with the
	beautiful handmade items, and kinda ensures that in order
	to stock so many shows, the items are going to be of the
	mass-produced variety

	- the cost of the booth plus traveling expenses are going
	to be added on to the cost of anything found in these
	booths (that's a given, anyways, but we're talking big
	bucks here - to me anyways ;-) )

	- there will still be parking lot vending - and probably
	a lot of it 

	- there will probably be enforcement of no-vending, especially
	since some others are paying big bucks for the privilege

	- I will not be patronizing at the official Vendors' Faire,
	because I would figure I would be not getting any bargains,
	not getting something made with love, not necessarily supporting
	another 'head.

	anyone else have thoughts on this?

	Debess

    thoughts.....
    
    that blows
    
    the best shirts to get were the originals....
    like the Air Garcias
    the Bass Great Lesh Phillings
    the Phil Zones
    
    etc etc etc...

    I have enough GDM type t-shirts...I'll be buying from the little
    guys..screw the "No Vending" idea..I will always believe that the band
    didn't really care but were convinced by the powers that be that
    without vending, gigs would go smoother. plus i'll be buying some 
    "icy cold beers" from the guys with the coolers on skateboards.
    If what you've heard is indeed true, i will most definitly not be
    giving my $'s to the big-boys...
    
    rfb

i dunno...  mixed feelings i suppose...

from a band/org standpoint it makes sense...
from a "spirit of the event" standpoint it certainly 
inhales...

it seems to have a "if you're big enough to keep 
up you can play" attitude to it though...  too bad...

i have enough $30 t-shirts...

			da ve

	it mite be the venues they're playing at??
	it does have a strange feel to it, tho.
	i'll wait and see what the scene provides.

ok, this net.link is slow, so, i have not searched this topic.
when is Old Orch. Bch MO>??  has it gone already?

    jc bud
    done as of last friday

some changes, as of yesterday:

7/24 Hilton Amphitheatre Reno, NV
7/25 Cal Expo Amph. Sacramento, CA
7/27 Country Fairgrounds Eugene, OR
7/28 The Gorge George, WA
7/30 Shoreline Amph. Mountain View, CA
8/1 Ventura County Fairgrounds Ventura, CA
8/2 Irvine Meadows Irvine, CA 
8/4 Desert Sky Pav. Phoenix, AZ 


still no mailorder info for Colorado, rfb - it still says that that info
is coming May 3 ;-)

I don't have a map - where is Ventura CA?

Debess

    I wouldn't doubt that Denver is putting a stop to Furthur at Fiddlers
    Green..They have never welcomed the dead in the summer since they
    stopped playing Red Rocks in 87 and have made it known they view
    deadheads as trouble.  and after hearing the horror stories about
    Desert Sky in PHX, I'll never go to that nazi state for a show again. 
    According to many who were there and got caught up in the stings, 
    and unbeknownest to us, we barely got out alive. 
    
    rfb_who would REALLY like to see Furthur at Fiddlers

>I don't have a map - where is Ventura CA?

	SoCal.
	
	according to Mapquest ...
Directions from  San Francisco, CA to  Ventura, CA
Distance: 354.5 miles   Beginning at San Francisco, CA
   Go Southeast on US 101 for 291.6 miles  to State Rte 154
   Go Southeast on State Rte 154 for 31.6 miles  to US 101
   Go East on US 101 for 31.3 miles 

Directions from  Los Angeles, CA toVentura, CA
Distance: 68.9 miles    Beginning at Los Angeles, CA
   Go Northwest on Hollywood Freeway for 11.4 miles  to Ventura Freeway
   Go West on Ventura Freeway for 49.7 miles  to US 101
   Go Northwest on US 101 for 7.8 miles 

	oh. Rats!  I'm hoping to be out SanFrancisco ways around that
	time - and thought it would be coooool to celebrate Jerry's
	b'day with the Furthur Folks...but I'm -not- going to SoCal...
	
	Debess

    Culled from a posting on the well by Steve Marcus of GDTS Too       
    dated Thu 9 May 96 17:38
    
    > okay, here is a real long post with alot of new information...
    > 
    > JUNE 20TH:   THE LAKEWOOD AMPHITHEATRE IN ATLANTA, GEORGIA.  WE ARE STILL
    > ACCEPTING MAIL ORDERS FOR LAWN SEATS ONLY.
    > 
    > JUNE 22ND:   THE BLOCKBUSTER PAVILION IN CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA. WE ARE
    > STILL ACCEPTING MAIL ORDERS FOR LAWN SEATS ONLY.
    > 
    > JUNE 23RD:   WALNUT CREEK AMPHITHEATRE IN RALEIGH, NORTH CAROLINA. WE ARE
    > STILL ACCEPTING MAIL ORDERS FOR LAWN SEATS ONLY.
    > 
    > JUNE 25TH:   VIRGINIA BEACH AMPHITHEATRE IN VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA. WE
    > ARE STILL ACCEPTING MAIL ORDERS FOR LAWN SEATS ONLY.
    > 
    > JUNE 26TH:   THE NISSAN PAVILION IN BRISTOW, VIRGINIA.  WE ARE STILL
    > ACCEPTING MAIL ORDERS FOR LAWN SEATS ONLY.
    > 
    > JUNE 28TH:    DEER CREEK MUSIC CENTER IN NOBLESVILLE, INDIANA.WE ARE STILL
    > ACCEPTING MAIL ORDERS FOR LAWN SEATS ONLY.
    > (PLEASE NOTE THAT TICKETS FOR THE CANCELED GRATEFUL DEAD JULY 3RD '95 DEER
    > CREEK CONCERT WILL NOT BE HONORED AT THIS CONCERT.
    > 
    > JUNE 29TH:   ALPINE VALLEY MUSIC THEATRE IN EAST TROY, WISCONSIN. WE ARE
    > STILL ACCEPTING MAIL ORDERS FOR LAWN SEATS ONLY.
    > 
    > JUNE 30TH: THE WORLD IN TINLEY PARK, ILLINOIS. WE ARE STILL ACCEPTING MAIL
    > ORDERS FOR LAWN SEATS ONLY.
    > 
    > JULY 2ND:    THE BLOSSOM MUSIC CENTER IN CUYAHOGA FALLS, OHIO.WE ARE STILL
    > ACCEPTING MAIL ORDERS FOR LAWN SEATS ONLY.
    > 
    > JULY 3RD:    PINE KNOB MUSIC CENTER IN CLARKSTON, MICHIGAN.WE ARE STILL
    > ACCEPTING MAIL ORDERS FOR LAWN SEATS ONLY.
    > 
    > JULY 4TH:   THE DARIEN LAKE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER IN DARIEN CENTER,NEW
    > YORK.  WE ARE STILL ACCEPTING MAIL ORDERS FOR LAWN SEATS ONLY.
    > 
    > JULY 6TH: SARATOGA PERFORMING ARTS CENTER IN SARATOGA SPRINGS,NEW YORK.WE
    > ARE STILL ACCEPTING MAIL ORDERS FOR LAWN SEATS ONLY.
    > 
    > JULY 7TH:   THE MEADOWS MUSIC THEATRE IN HARTFORD, CT.  WE ARE STILL
    > ACCEPTING MAIL ORDERS FOR LAWN SEATS ONLY.
    > 
    > JULY 8TH:  THE OLD ORCHARD BEACH BALLPARK, ORCHARD BEACH, MAINE. GENERAL
    > ADMISSION TICKETS ARE STILL AVAILABLE BY MAIL ORDER.TICKETS WILL ALSO BE
    > AVAILABLE FROM NEXT STARTING MAY 25TH.
    > 
    > JULY 10TH:  THE GREAT WOODS AMPHITHEATRE IN MANSFIELD, MASSACHUSETTS.
    > SEATING IS RESERVED DOWN FRONT AND GENERAL ADMISSION ON THE LAWN. SHOWTIME
    > IS 4 P.M. THE LAST DATE TO MAIL IN FOR RESERVED SEATS IS MAY 10TH,BUT 
    >THERE ARE PLENTY OF LAWN TICKETS AVAILABLE.   TICKETS WILL ALSO BE
    >AVAILABLE FROM NEXT STARTING MAY 25TH.
    > 
    > JULY 11TH:  LIBERTY STATE PARK IN JERSEY CITY, NEW JERSEY.  ALL SEATING IS
    > GENERAL ADMISSION.  SHOWTIME IS  4 P.M.TICKETS ARE STILL AVAILABLE BY MAIL
    > ORDER.  TICKETS ARE ALSO AVAILABLE FROM TICKETMASTER.
    > 
    > JULY 12TH: THE BLOCKBUSTER-SONY MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT CENTRE IN CAMDEN NEW
    > JERSEY.  WE ARE STILL ACCEPTING MAIL ORDERS FOR LAWN SEATS ONLY.
    > 
    > JULY 14TH:  STAR LAKE AMPHITHEATRE IN BURGETTSTOWN, PENNSYLVANIA.THE LAST
    > MAIL IN DATE FOR RESERVED SEATS IS MAY 10TH, BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF LAWN
    > TICKETS AVAILABLE.   TICKETS WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE AT TICKETMASTER
    >STARTING MAY 25TH.
    > 
    > JULY 15TH:  THE POLARIS AMPHITHEATRE IN COLUMBUS, OHIO.  THE LAST MAIL IN
    > DATE FOR RESERVED SEATS IS MAY 10TH, BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF LAWN TICKETS
    > AVAILABLE.  TICKETS WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE AT TICKETMASTER STARTING MAY
    > 24TH.
    > 
    > JULY 17TH:  RIVERPORT AMPHITHEATRE IN MARYLAND HEIGHTS, MISSOURI. THE LAST
    > MAIL IN DATE FOR RESERVED SEATS IS MAY 10TH, BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF LAWN
    > TICKETS AVAILABLE.   TICKETS WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE AT CAPITOL TICKETS
    > STARTING MAY 18TH.
    > 
    > JULY 18TH:  SANDSTONE AMPHITHEATRE IN KANSAS CITY, KANSAS.THE LAST MAIL IN
    > DATE FOR RESERVED SEATS IS MAY 10TH, BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF LAWN TICKETS
    > AVAILABLE.  TICKETS WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE AT TICKETMASTER STARTING MAY
    > 18TH.
    > 
    > JULY 20TH:  FIDDLER'S GREEN IN ENGLEWOOD, COLORADO.  SEATING IS RESERVED
    > DOWN FRONT AND GENERAL ADMISSION ON THE LAWN.  SHOWTIME IS 3:30  P.M.
    > TICKETS WILL BE AVAILABLE BY MAIL ORDER STARTING MAY 13TH.  TICKETS WILL
    > ALSO GO ON SALE AT TICKETMASTER JUNE 3RD.
    > 
    > JULY 22ND:  WOLF MOUNTAIN IN PARK CITY, UTAH.  SEATING IS RESERVED DOWN
    > FRONT AND GENERAL ADMISSION ON THE LAWN.  SHOWTIME IS 4 P.M.THE LAST MAIL
    > IN DATE FOR RESERVED SEATS IS MAY 10TH, BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF LAWN
    >TICKETS AVAILABLE.   TICKETS WILL GO ON SALE AT DATATIX ON MAY 11TH.
    > 
    > JULY 24TH:  THE HILTON AMPHITHEATRE IN RENO, NEVADA.  ALL SEATING IS
    > RESERVED.  SHOWTIME IS 4 P.M.  TICKETS WILL BE AVAILABLE BY MAIL ORDER
    > STARTING MAY 13TH.TICKETS WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE AT BASS AND TICKETMASTER
    > STARTING  JUNE 2ND.
    > 
    > JULY 25TH:  CAL EXPO AMPHITHEATRE IN SACRAMENTO, CA.  ALL TICKETS ARE
    > GENERAL ADMISSION.  SHOWTIME IS 4 P.M.  TICKETS WILL BE AVAILABLE BY MAIL
    > ORDER STARTING MAY 13TH.  TICKETS WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE AT BASS STARTING
    > JUNE 2ND.
    > 
    > JULY 27TH:  THE OREGON COUNTRY FAIRGROUNDS IN VENETA, OREGON. INFORMATION
    > TO BE ANNOUNCED SOON.
    > 
    > JULY 28TH:  TO BE ANNOUNCED
    > 
    > JULY 30TH:  SHORELINE AMPHITHEATRE IN MOUNTAIN VIEW,CALIFORNIA.SEATING IS
    > RESERVED DOWN FRONT AND GENERAL ADMISSION ON THE LAWN. SHOWTIME IS 4 P.M.
    > TICKETS WILL BE AVAILABLE BY MAIL ORDER STARTING MAY 13TH.  TICKETS WILL
    > ALSO BE AVAILABLE AT BASS STARTING JUNE 2ND.
    > 
    > AUGUST 1ST:  THE COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS IN VENTURA, CALIFORNIA.ALL TICKETS ARE
    > GENERAL ADMISSION.  SHOWTIME IS 4 P.M. TICKETS WILL BE AVAILABLE BY MAIL
    > ORDER STARTING MAY 10TH.  TICKETS WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE AT TICKETMASTER
    > STARTING MAY 18TH.
    > 
    > AUGUST 2ND:  IRVINE MEADOWS AMPHITHEATRE IN IRVINE, CALIFORNIA. SEATING IS
    > RESERVED DOWN FRONT AND GENERAL ADMISSION ON THE LAWN.  SHOWTIME IS 4P.M.
    > TICKETS WILL BE AVAILABLE BY MAIL ORDER STARTING MAY 10TH.  TICKETS WILL
    > ALSO BE AVAILABLE AT TICKETMASTER STARTING MAY 18TH.
    > 
    > AUGUST 4TH:  DESERT SKY PAVILION IN PHOENIX, ARIZONA.  SEATING IS RESERVED
    > DOWN FRONT AND GENERAL ADMISSION ON THE LAWN.  SHOWTIME IS 4:30 P.M.
    > TICKETS WILL BE AVAILABLE BY MAIL ORDER STARTING MAY 13TH.  TICKETS WILL
    > ALSO BE AVAILABLE AT TICKETMASTER STARTING JUNE 14TH.
    > 
    >THE FOLLOWING TICKET PRICES ALREADY INCLUDE MAIL ORDER SERVICE CHARGE OF
    >  $2.50  PER TICKET, SO YOUR TOTAL MAIL ORDER TICKET PRICES ARE AS FOLLOWS:
    > 012-03:*****
    > FOR ATLANTA-$28.25 LAWN
    > FOR CHARLOTTE-$30.25 LAWN
    > FOR RALEIGH-$30.25  LAWN
    > FOR VIRGINIA BEACH-$31.75  LAWN
    > FOR BRISTOW-$30.00 LAWN
    > FOR DEER CREEK-$27.00 LAWN
    > FOR ALPINE VALLEY-$27.75 LAWN
    > FOR THE WORLD-$27.75 LAWN
    > FOR BLOSSOM MUSIC CENTER-$28.25 LAWN
    > PINE KNOB-$31.00 LAWN
    > FOR DARIEN LAKE-$29.50 LAWN
    > SARATOGA-$22.50 LAWN
    > FOR THE MEADOWS-$30.00 LAWN
    > FOR ORCHARD BEACH BALL PARK-$29.00 GENERAL ADMISSION
    > FOR GREAT WOODS-$34.00 LAWN
    > FOR LIBERTY STATE PARK-$37.50 GENERAL ADMISSION
    > FOR BLOCKBUSTER/SONY MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT CENTRE-$27.50 LAWN
    > FOR STAR LAKE AMPHITHEATRE-$28.75 LAWN
    > FOR POLARIS AMPHITHEATRE-$27.00 LAWN
    > RIVERPORT AMPHITHEATRE-$29.00 LAWN
    > SANDSTONE AMPHITHEATRE-$29.00 LAWN
    > FOR FIDDLERS GREEN-$32.00 RESERVED/$29.50 LAWN
    > WOLF MOUNTAIN-$30.00 LAWN
    > HILTON AMPHITHEATRE-$32.00 RESERVED
    > CAL EXPO AMPHITHEATRE-$30.00 GENERAL ADMISSION
    > SHORELINE AMPHITHEATRE-$32.50 RESERVED/$27.50 LAWN
    > VENTURA FAIRGROUNDS-$30.00 GENERAL ADMISSION
    > IRVINE MEADOWS-$32.50 RESERVED OR LAWN
    > DESERT SKY-$30.50 RESERVED OR LAWN
    > 
    > YOU MAY ORDER UP TO 6 TICKETS PER CONCERT.  YOU MAY ORDER VIRGINIA BEACH
    > AND  BRISTOW  TOGETHER IN ONE ORDER.  YOU MAY ORDER ALPINE AND THE WORLD
    > TOGETHER IN ONE ORDER. YOU MAY ORDER  BLOSSOM  AND  PINE  KNOB  TOGETHER
    > IN ONE ORDER. YOU MAY ORDER  STAR  LAKE  AND  POLARIS  AMPHITHEATRE
    > TOGETHER IN ONE ORDER.  YOU MAY ORDER  RIVERPORT  AND  SANDSTONE TOGETHER
    > IN ONE ORDER.  RALEIGH, SARATOGA,  OLD ORCHARD BEACH,  GREAT WOODS,JERSEY
    > CITY, CAMDEN,FIDDLER'S GREEN, WOLF MOUNTAIN, RENO, CAL EXPO,SHORELINE,
    > VENTURA, IRVINE AND PHOENIX MUST BE ORDERED IN SEPARATE ORDERS.ONE ORDER
    > PER PERSON AND EACH PERSON MUST FILL OUT THEIR OWN MAIL ORDER.DUPLICATIONS
    > OF ANY KIND WILL CAUSE DISQUALIFICATION OF ALL INVOLVED ORDERS. WRITE
    > ANYTHING  ON YOUR ORDER IF YOU WILL ACCEPT LAWN INSTEAD OF RESERVED,OR
    > WRITE  RESERVED  ONLY  IF THAT IS ALL YOU WILL ACCEPT.
    > 
    > RESERVED SEATS FOR THESE CONCERTS ARE LIMITED.  IF YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE
    > THAT YOU GET TICKETS REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY ARE RESERVED OR LAWN,THEN
    > ENCLOSE TWO MONEY ORDERS.  ONE FOR THE LAWN PRICE,IN CASE THAT'S ALL WE
    > HAVE LEFT,  AND ANOTHER MONEY ORDER FOR THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LAWN AND
    > RESERVED PRICES.  THE DIFFERENCE IS AS FOLLOWS:
    > 
    > FOR FIDDLER'S GREEN-$2.50 PER TICKET
    > FOR SHORELINE-$5.00 PER TICKET
    > 
    > And, just incase you were wondering,all orders will be filled as requested
    > with the exceptions of Deer Creek and Saratoga where our reserved seat
    > allotments did not cover all the reserved seat requests.Otherwise we have
    > plenty of tickets  to fill all the other orders.
    > 
    > 
    > That is all for now, if all goes well, Oregon will be on the hotline
    > tomorrow.
    

I was just gonna put -.1 in :-).  I think there will be extra tix around.
I've put in for 3, and so have 2 other friends.. so right there we have a few
extras.

 Josh

	guess I'm gonna do the mailorder thing for Shoreline today...
	if I commit to putting some money down, maybe this west coast
	trip will become a reality ;-)

	soooo, those who've been there - should I go for reserved or lawn?
	(I'm gonna have my kids with me)

	Debess

    I'd Go for reserved...
       
    The seats are roomy, plenty of space to dance, and the view is great!
    
    /b

    Definitely go for the reserved seats. As /b said, they're very
    roomy and the sight lines anywhere in the reserved area are
    excellent. Shoreline also has (or at least had) the most courteous
    security and vending staff I've encountered anywhere.
    
    Mike

    Hoot and I did our mailorder for all the Colo heads that usually go with
    us yesterday...he's doin the M.O. at da P.O. thang at lunch as 
    I have other plans. We did reserved although I prefer lawn at Fiddler's
    cause of the big dance floor, err sidewalk, that goes around the place. 
    lookin forward to it.....
    
    rfb
    

7/26 The Gorge George, WA
7/27 Country Fairgrounds Eugene, OR
**7/29 Cal Expo Amph. Sacramento, CA **please note date change

July 26th: The Gorge in George, Washington. More information will be 
announced soon.
July 27th: The Oregon Country Fairgrounds in Veneta, Oregon. More 
information will be announced soon.
**July 29th: Cal Expo Amphitheatre in Sacramento, California. All 
tickets are general admission. Showtime is 4 P.M. Tickets are now 
available by mail order. If you already sent in your order for Cal Expo 
and cannot go on the rescheduled date please send us a postcard telling 
us to cancel your order as soon as possible. The address is:


GDTS TOO
P.O. Box 9812
San Rafael, CA 94912


Make sure that you put your name and address as it appears on your 
original request. We are very sorry for this inconvenience. 

    
    Don't know if this really considered part of the Furthur Festival or
    not but...
    
    Saturday May 25, 1996
    Laguna Seca Days
    Laguna Seca Recreation Area, Monterey CA
    Ratdog (featuring Bob Weir, Rob Wasserman, Johnnie Johnson,
    Jay Lane and Matthew Kelly)
    
    Good Mornin Little Schoolgirl
    Walkin Blues
    Take Me To The River
    City Girls ->
    Fever ->
    Eternity
    K.C. Moan
    When I Paint My Masterpiece
    Juke
    Kansas City*
    The Winners ->
    Easy To Slip ->
    Drums ->
    Bass (Satisfaction/Star Spangled Banner) ->
    Easy Answers
     
    Encores:
    Turn On Your Lovelight
    Knockin On Heaven's Door
    
    *Johnnie Johnson - lead vocals
    
    (also Joan Osborne, Ben Harper, Wilco, Leftover Salmon,
    G. Love & Special Sauce)
    
    
    
    Sunday May 26, 1996
    Laguna Seca Days
    Laguna Seca Recreation Area, Monterey CA
    Mickey Hart's Mystery Box
    
    Mickey Hart - percussion ("RAMU"), vocals
    The Mint Juleps (Debbie, Elizabeth, Marcia and Sandra Charles, Julie Isaac
    and Debbie Longworth) - vocals
    Zakir Hussain - percussion
    Sikiru Adepoju - talking drum
    Giovanni Hidalgo - percussion
    Dave Jenkins - keyboards
    Baghiti Khumalo - bass
    David Garibaldi - drums
    
    Setlist (8:45-10:15pm):
    
    Only the Strange Remain
    Sandman
    Look Away
    Where Love Goes (Sito)
    Down the Road
    Planet Drum interlude*
    John Cage Is Dead
    Don't Let Him Take Your Love From Me**
    Sangre de Christo
    Fire On the Mountain***
    The Next Step
    Full Head of Steam
    
    Encore:
    Not Fade Away
    
    *drummers only
    **Mint Juleps (a cappella)
    ***Bob Weir on guitar & vocals; Mickey on lead vocals
    
    (also Neville Brothers, Ani DiFranco, Spearhead, Mother Hips, God
    Street Wine, Train)
    
    --------
    Highlights:
    
    The Big Parade before Mystery Box's set (Wavy Gravy raises Elvis from
    the dead - on stilts)
    The fourth verse of "Down the Road"
    Planet Drum magic
    The Mint Juleps getting a bit rained on
    Fire On the Mountain - Mickey raps; Bob sings some lines and solos on guitar
    Not Fade Away (Mickey: "Does anyone remember this one?")
    

    These Ratdog setlists look easy to deal with: just cut + paste :-/

    /Ken

    worse than that...just take most older Bob-n-Rob and cut and paste
    
    but it will sound good, nevertheless.......believe it ifn ya need it!
    
    rfb
    

    I purchased my ticket Saturday, anyone else?

	re: rfb's "believe it if'n you need it"

	what I -need- is Grateful Dead music - and I know the Further
	Festival is not going to be that, for the most part...

	I'm gonna go cause I want to hear the direction these guys have
	decided to take
	I'm gonna go cause I want to get together with Deadheads and
	keep that part of it going

	I have a strong suspicion that I will have a great time because
	I -will- be dancing to good music - just not a whole night of
	the music I love best...

	(...that I got from Slipknot this past weekend...)

	Debess

	got my Hartford tickets a couple days ago...

	still waiting...

	though one of the security guards here (hi Jason! you "read only" :^)
	told me his tickets for old orchard and great woods were in...

				da ve

No tix yet here.

    Any sight or Old Orchard tickets by anyone?

    Hoot Gibson got his Hartford ticket last week. MNELSON, he'll wanna
    hook up with you for that gig, I'm sure. He used to live there almost
    20 years ago, but has long since lost the necessary driving skills it
    takes to survive a concerts' aftermath in New England. He flies in on
    the Saturday before Furthur and He'll be there
    for 2 weeks after Furthur, so MNELSON and the rest of ya'll show him a
    good time.  
    
    rfb

	is MNELSON going to Hartford - cool!  I thought I would be
	the only one from in here...

    Hey debess,
      I'll be there fer sure.  Who are coming down with?  
    Might be a good morning to hit Misquamicut before the show!  
    
    	Mark

	just me and Guntis - but since I'm coming from NH with a stopover
	in Mass. and another one in CT - don't think I can swing RI too!

	but, can I have a rain check ;-)

	Debess

    
   RE:  Any sight or Old Orchard tickets by anyone
    
   The 3 I ordered arrived today when I was home for lunch. Psyched for
    this one?  Anyone staying up there camping or otherwise?  
    
    Cathy

      My OLd Orchard beach tickets also arrived today....

    got mine yesterday too...
    now if those second show allman's tickets would just get here

still waiting........

    My Gratewoods tix arrived yesterday as well.

    I got my GW Further ticket yesterday.  Mailperson put it in
    the wrong box but some kind soul left it for me anyway

Got my GW Furthur tickets.  Pretty good seats - sec. 5 row R.

adam

    I have a pair of Furthur Fest tix for sale at face value (31.50 each).
    
    Section 4 Row F.
    
    Lemme know by mail if you are interested.
    
    	dave
    

    The tix in .71 are already spoken for.
    
    	dave
    

	still waiting.........

    
    Got my NEXT H.O.R.D.E. tix yesterday.
    Still waiting on 2nd Allman Bros show.

    Tom

    i called Next yesterday and asked about the second show
    they will be mailed out within the next coupla weeks
    
    Are HORDE tix still available?

>    Are HORDE tix still available?

    I dunno, but I've got an extra.  You want it?

    Tom

    MOSS time...
    
    Has anyone received either their Saratoga or Liberty St Park tix yet?
    
    Just wondering..
    
    Fredda

Not MOSS but ditto for Great Woods.  Anyone get their tix/not get them
yet?

thanks,
bobo

still waiting here...  for gw...

			da ve

    
    Still waiting on GW
    
    	Mark

Still waiting for Grate Shaft

    Got GW on 6/10.

	still waiting: ingrate wuds, and OOB.
	wtf!?
	

    wow jolls
    it is not like they will sell out tho

	like i'm worried?
	it's just odd. never taken this long before.
	besides, if i don't get tickets, i'm crashing the fence.
	

my brother called the ticket problem line yesterday
to ask about our great woods tix...  the order was filled
and they are on the way...  :^)

			da ve

    i will make sure to point the staties in your direction when they strap
    the gas masks on jolls

	I think we're just seeing the results of -massive- downsizing
	at GDTS

	I still prefer them over Ticketmaster ANYday!

	Debess

     <<< Note 526.88 by HELENA::64881::DEBESS "she lays on me this rose" >>>

>
>	I think we're just seeing the results of -massive- downsizing
>	at GDTS

That and I also think they have a ton more shows all mail orderable 
close to the same times....

bob

Fredda:
	My SPAC tickets showed last night. see you there

jeff

    GRATE!!
    
    Did you register them?  (I did) and that usually takes a few days
    longer.
    
    Fredda

    2 extras for Hartford (Meadows amph.) at cost.  My SPAC tics arrived so
    the Meadows are extras.
    
    Pete
    

    My GW tix for the Further Fest arrived about 30 minutes ago
    (registered)
    
    gary

Anybody know if the Further Fest at GW's is sold out?  I can't convince
Amy to go with the kids, but I think she'll consent to let me out on 
my own...

PeterT

    call  617 423 next petert
    
    i am gonna say no

didn't register the SPAC tickets. Got the $10 back as got shut out of the 
pavillion.

jeff

Got mine in harvard.  gotta go to the 'rents and get'em

Got my three tix for Old Orchid Beach - and because I'll be using a friend's
taper tix, these three are extras.  That is to say, I have three tix to 
unload.

 - Josh

    I got my GW, but I'm till waiting for SPAC...
    
    anybody else still waiting on SPAC?
    
    /b

i saw a registered mail not eon the table... my GW tix
are at the post orafice...

    As the energizer bunny says...
    
    Still waiting....
    
    (for SPAC & Liberty State Park)
    
    Fredda
    
    P.S.  Can I MOSS yet?
    
    

    
    
            When Jerry Garcia died, I ended up with about $600 in tickets
     for Boston Garden shows. In checking out the alternatives, I decided
    to get a refund, get the tickets back, and then donate the $600 to my
    favorite charity - Easter Seals.
    
            So, I wrote a note with my refund package, and explained my
     plans, thanked GDTS for all the fun tickets, and well, sort of said
     good bye to friend I didn't know. I mentioned why I was donating to
     Easter Seals, and that I had been doing this for 10 years. For the new
     deccies, I play volleyball once a year, in a marathon. I have been
     doing this since my mother died, and I figure my teams have raised
     close to $30,000.
    
            I got a note back, with my check, saying "You are one righteous
     dude, Jim. Surely your mother is smiling at you from heaven. Love,
    Ruby"
    
            So I mail ordered for Further tickets, at Great Woods. On my
    3X5 card, on the back, I wrote "If you see Ruby, tell her hello, and
    that my team rasied another $2000 this yeasr for Easter Seals".
    
            I figured, what the heck...she might still be there, she might
     be near by, she might remember....who knows.....
    
            I got my tickets this morning, and a note saying "Ruby says
     she's impressed, Jim! Way to go!".
    
            Kind of cool, eh?
    
            Of course, I got lawn tickets, so it wasn't that cool.....I did
     get GA2...GA5....Looks like I got the first lawn tickets....wonder if
     they are taper.........

    righteous mystery
    
    most righteous

    %^)

    Very cool

Ruby's not the only one who's impressed Jim... :^)

and on another note, you and i need to talk...  about
Prilly tapes... :^)

			da ve

    can someone extract and post here some Furthur reviews???
    
    rfb

Excellent Jim!

    reserved SPAC are in!
    
    /b

    Not a whole lot of news coming in about the stops on the Further Fest.
    Tour. Seems like the line up for the major acts is Tuna->Los Lobos->
    Hornsby->Mickey->Ratdog. The first 3 are getting ~45 minutes a piece
    (that seems like a travesty of justice!) and Mickey's been playing for
    ~45 until Bobby and others ome out for Fire on the Mountain. Then
    Ratdog for an hour or so and then the encore(s) with several memebers
    of the different bands joining in. Here's a culmination from
    rec.music.gdead put together by Jeff Lester:
    
    I waded through the mess of rec.music.gdead/dead-flames (not an easy
    task, there were several hundred extraneous reflected messages) to try and
    weed out some setlists for the first couple stops of the Furthur tour. I
    didn't come up with much, not even 100% accurate setlists for the Ratdog 
    sets. But here's what I have (none are claimed to be complete or even 
    correct). If you're going to a show, maybe try to keep some sort of setlist.
    
    The order of the shows is:
    
    Hot Tuna (promptly at stated starting time or even before)
     ** I heard 2 of the shows started 15-20 minutes earlier than what was
        listed on the tickets - so it might pay to go in a bit early if you
        wanna see Tuna - JeffC **
    John Wesley Harding <while Los Lobos sets up>
    Los Lobos
    Alvin Youngblood Hart <while Hornsby sets up>
    Bruce Hornsby
    Mickey Hart's Mystery Box
    Ratdog
    <Flying Karamozov Brothers sprinkled in between>
    
    June 20th - Atlanta:
    --------------------
    Los Lobos:
    <Didn't play Bertha>
    
    Bruce Hornsby:
    Rainbow's Cadillac
    Goin' Down the Road Feeling Bad
    <a song with Bob Weir>
    
    Mickey Hart's Mystery Box:
    The Sandman <with Bob Weir>
    Where Love Goes
    Look Away
    Down the Road
    Fire on the Mountain <with Bob Weir?>
    
    Ratdog:
    Good Morning Little School Girl
    Take Me to the River
    Wang Dang Doodle 
    Eternity <acoustic>
    KC Moan
    Masterpiece <Bruce Hornsby on the accordian>
    Juke
    <Do They Really Exist?> <not sure what this is>
    Easy to Slip
    <Supplication> <not sure about this>
    Bass solo (Amazing Grace - Star Spangled Banner)
    Easy Answers
    Not Fade Away <three drum kits including Mickey, percussionist, all of
    Ratdog, plus Hornsby on accordian, Jack and Jorma, and most of Los Lobos.
    When Bobby ended Not Fade Away and walked off, Jack, Jorma and Mickey kept
    it going, brought it back up, and soon everyone was out there jamming it 
    again, which led to a wailing>
    Johnny B. Goode
    
    
    June 22nd - Charlotte:
    ----------------------
    Los Lobos:
    Bertha
    
    Bruce Hornsby:
    Hot House Ball
    It Takes A Lot to Laugh, It Takes A Train to Cry
    Mandolin Rain (with parts of That Would Be Something and Brokedown Palace)
    Jack Straw <with Bob Weir>
    
    Mickey Hart's Mystery Box:
    Where Love Goes
    Look Away
    Sandman
    Down the Road
    Fire on the Mountain <Bruce Hornaby accordian>
    
    Ratdog:
    Walkin' Blues
    KC Moan
    Good Morning Little School Girl
    Fever
    Blackbird
    Big Boss Man
    Tanqueray
    The Winners
    Bass Solo (Lovelight)
    Victim or the Crime
    ****Folks start to sit in***
    Throwing Stones <with Hornsby and Mickey>
    Good Lovin' <with Jack and Jorma>
    Promised Land
    One More Saturday Night <with Jack and Jorma>
    Knockin' on Heaven's Door
    
    June 23rd - Raliegh:
    --------------------
    Los Lobos:
    Bertha
    
    Bruce Hornsby:
    Sugaree
    
    Mickey Hart's Mystery Box:
    Fire on the Mountain <with Bob Weir>
    
    Ratdog:
    I Need A Miracle
    City Girls 
    Eternity
    Minglewood Blues
    This Time Forever
    Cassidy
    Kansas City
    Truckin'
    Bass Solo (St. Stephen, Not Fade Away)
    Knockin' on Heaven's Door
    
    
    -Jeff Lester
    
                                                                       

    My MOSSing is over! (thankfully)  Just received my yellow slips
    yesterday!
    
    Does anyone know if the lawn sections are open seating or are you
    assigned to a specific area?  The reason I ask is because on SPAC's
    internet address they list 3 different prices $15, 25, 35 and we
    mailordered for (I believe) $25 for lawn tickets.  I'm confused!
    
    Fredda 

    I'm starting to get pretty pumped about Furthur, reading the reviews!!

It's been years since I've been to SPAC, but it's your basic shed with a balcony
opening onto a sloping lawn area.  The lawn area levels out and goes much further
back (whereas Great Woods for example, ends at a big fence) before you run into
any fences.  I've never seen them partition the lawn into different sections
but there was enough room to do so.  Would be a bit hard to control
though, I'd imagine.

PeterT

<<< Note 526.113 by QUARRY::petert "rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty" >>>

>.......... but it's your basic shed with a balcony

With the exception that it holds about 3x more people than all the other
basic sheds.

I couldn't imagine how they could partition off the lawn.....but I haven't
been there either since 86 or whenever the last time the dead played there.....

bob

    The only reason I ask is because of the different prices for the
    tickets.  It seems strange that the lawn seats would have two prices. 
    I guess I'll find out in the morning when I pick them up!
    
    Fredda 

From:	US2RMC::"[email protected]" 25-JUN-1996 14:53:17.61
To:	mkots3::jollimore, wmois::leblancc, send::sloan
Subj:	Furthur report

Date:    Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:28:54 -0400
From:    David Gourley <[email protected]>
Subject: Further / Walnut Creek show

Further Festival
Walnut Creek Amphitheatre
Raleigh, NC


Third stop on the tour.  My wife and I got there in plenty of time, and had
reserved seats with a pretty good view.  Sound system problems, with a large
hum from stage left usually between songs and sets.

Tuna hit the stage promptly at 4pm with only scattered attendance in the
seats and on the lawn.  Fortunately, it did not in any way diminish the
intensity of the band!!!  They were in great form, and it was great to see
the electric band.

Set list:

Walkin' Blues
Hesistation Blues
99 Year Blues
Hit Single #1 (Jorma pulls out red Gibson !!! for the rest)
???  -really good rocker with Mike Falzarano vocals!
Funky #7
Junkies On Angel Dust
Baby What You Want Me to Do

In a word - BLISTERING!  Guitars and bass were getting excellent tone, but
again the sound guys were struggling with muddy vocals.  Sears on keys was a
thrill, too  :)

Ran into Mike Falzarano later and talked with him a couple of minutes.
Really nice guy - he said that Tuna probably wasn't going to open the whole
festival (i.e. move up in the lineup), that they were still working with it,
it was coming along, and they'd probably get longer playing time eventually.
And I forgot to ask what the damn song was I couldn't figure out!!  Cell damage.

Things kept moving, but the Flying Karamazov guys could've shortened their
act toward the end...

Los Lobos did a great rendition of 'Bertha' and of course that got people
going.  They had the worst of the sound problems, following John Wesley
Harding, but managed to work through it.

Bruce Hornsby really carried things, and what a great sound (with no guitars
in his band).  Kinda wished Jorma could've come out to add a lick or two,
but it's early in the tour.

Mickey Hart's band was interesting, sometimes bordering on 'urban
contemporary.'  But the drumming was great, as usual!

Ratdog closed the show - good, but I didn't feel like they had much
intensity.  But hell, TUNA opened, right???  They did pretty well, though.
At the end, Jorma came out and the band launched into 'Truckin'' of all
things - needless to say, this raised my expectations a bit, but then it
didn't go anywhere!  He hardly got to solo at all and left when the song was
over.  Then, Casady came out and joined on bass for 'Knockin' On Heaven's
Door' -very lackluster overall, and not even the right chords.

By then, it was close to 11pm, and this amphitheatre has a strict noise rule
and they have to shut down then -which probably would explain why everything
was more tentative toward the end - if they'd really stretched out or did an
encore, the power would've been cut on them.  It was a bit strange when Weir
just looked at the crowd and half-waved (like 'we'll be back if we can')
then left and the lights came up.  They all looked like they could and would
have played another 2 hours if allowed, though.

You folks catching this into a few more shows will be the lucky ones -
they'll have things more together, jams will be more intense, and hopefully,
Tuna will be up the list with more than 45 minutes playing time!!  They'll
be even harder to follow when that happens!    :)

Yes, it's time for a Tuna tour!!!!  They deserve well more than a mere 45
min. opener, for sure.

-david

      <<< Note 526.115 by MAIL2::TURNOF "Greetings from the Big Apple" >>>

>    The only reason I ask is because of the different prices for the
>    tickets.  It seems strange that the lawn seats would have two prices. 
>    I guess I'll find out in the morning when I pick them up!
    
Hi Fredda,

Maybe the 12 (or was it 15) dollar seats are the ones just at the top when
the hill/lawn portion of SPAC starts to level off and you are far enough
back where you can't see anything but maybe the top of someones head....

Another difference from SPAC (old old shed) vs.  all the new new sheds....

SPAC has trees in the lawn seating area and there were always people 
up in the trees.  Also, they always had speakers at the same top spot
on the lawn sort of like a stadium show....at 44K it's not that far
off.

bob

    Well, I picked up my tix this morning and all they say is lawn - no
    specific area.  I guess the mystery will be solved when we get there!
    Are we there yet?
    
    Can't wait!
    
    Fredda  

    Hoot got one of our yellow slips yesterday for Denver Furthur...i hope
    to see mine today.
    
    rfb

I *still* have 2 extras for Grateshaft.... no takers yet...

send mail if ya want'em.
jc

    I've got 2 extra for SPAC...  reserved...   $27.50 each.
    
    /bruce

    Another one from rec.music.gdead:
    **********************************************************************
    Disclaimer:  I am not familiar with all the band members for the bands.
    Therefore, I am sure that I have inadvertently left out some members and
    and their names.  I did my best though. (kraitch sez "Some additions to
    the  setlists have been added based on info culled from rec.music.gdead and
    the Well.")
    
    Virginia Beach Amphitheatre, Virginia Beach, Virginia
    Tuesday June 25, 1996
    
    Hot Tuna started promptly at 4pm.  We were just getting there and so did 
    not get to see them, but could hear them playing something to know that 
    they had started.
    
    That'll never happen no more
    Walkin Blues
    99 Year Blues
    Waterside
    I see the light
    ? - Jorma sung tune
    ? - Mike sung tune
    Junkies on Angel Dust
    
    
    John Wesley Harding
    played several songs we did not see/hear , last song was The Devil In Me
    
    Other peoples failure
    Red rose & the briar (Jack - a roe tease ?)
    When the Beatles hit America
    Devil in Me
    
    
    Los Lobos
    3rd song:  Evangeline
    5th song:  Cinnamon Girl
    Last song:  Bertha
    
    Angle Dance
    I walk alone
    Evangeline
    Revolution (low spark tease ?)
    Cinnamon Girl
    One time one night
    Last night I got loaded/Lovelight verse
    Ya No Quiro (?)
    Anselma (?)
    Mas y Mas
    Bertha
    
    
    6pm
    The Flying Karamozov Brothers
    
    6:30   Bruce Hornsby
    
    Pastures of Plenty
    Jacob's ladder
    Scarlet Begonias
    Talk of the town -> Big Boss Man(couple of verses only)
    Rainbows Cadillac
    Western Skyline ->
    Masterpiece
    Valley Road
    Quinn the Eskimo
     
    
    
    Alvin Youngblood Hart <while Mickeys band set up>
    
    Mickey Harts Mystery Box - I had to guess at the song names.
    Full Steam Ahead
    Where Love Goes 
    Next Step (something about A Man On the Wind of Distant Drums)
    The Sandman <with Bob Weir>
    Down the Road Again <with Bruce Hornsby on accordian>
    Fire on the Mountain <Bruce Hornsby on accordian><Mickey singin rap version>
    This Is the Last Song
      
    ended 9:05 pm
    
    9:35pm Ratdog
    Good Morning Little School Girl
    Come On Home (?)
    Wang Dang Doodle
    Maggies Farm
    Looks Like Rain <with Bruce Hornsby on keyboards>
    Juke
    The Winners ->
    Easy To Slip
    Bass solo (Amazing Grace/ National Anthem)
    Turn on Your Lovelight <with Mickey Hart and Mystery Box member on 
         yet a third drum set>
    Midnight Hour <with members of Los Lobos, members of Mickeys 
         band, Jack Casady and a Karamozov brother on trombone>
    All Along the Watchtower < with members of Los Lobos, members of Mickeys 
         band, a Karamozov brother on trombone, Bruce Hornsby on keyboards,and  
    Jorma Kaukonen)
    Not Fade Away  < with 1 member of Los Lobos, members of Mickeys band, a 
         Karamozov brother on trombone, Bruce Hornsby on keyboards, and Jorma>
    Audience acoustic version and clapping of NFA chorus - hoping for encore.
    No encore - probably due to yet another crappy rule at the Amphitheatre. 
    11:05pm ended.
    
    
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    Just heard a Grateful Dead Hour interview with Mickey Hart, done
    shortly before the tour began.  At that time anyway, the touring band
    included Dave Garibaldi, original drummer for Tower of Power, and
    bassist Baghiti Khumalo, who played on Paul Simon's "Graceland"
    (including the memorable bass break in "You Can Call Me Al").
    And of course, the Mint Juleps.
    
    Mickey was also discussing what he would be playing on this tour.
    It's something called RAMU, for Random Access Midi Universe.  Sounds
    like some sort of next generation synth, etc. controller that surrounds
    the player, the "universe at your fingertips" as it were.  He was hoping
    he'd get to bang a few skins as well, but wasn't sure if that was going
    to happen.
    
    /rick
    

    Anybody else going to SPAC this weekend?
    
    I've only been to SPAC once (about 5 years ago), and never for
    a Dead show...   Any advice about directions, cops, etc?
    
    thanks/bruce

    strobel and i are leaving sat morning at 7 bruce....
    where you staying at?

�    where you staying at?
    
    Um...  I haven't actually made reservations yet...  
    my logistics probably dictate driving back after the show...
    
    I'm probably not going to leave here Saturday till about 11am...
    
    I'm Section 28, Row B...  where are you, Chris?
    
    /b

    I am in Section Lawn, Row Lawn
    
    strobel and i are leaving at 7 am
    
    staying in some campground in hadley? and coming back sunday for the
    OOB show
    
    caravan?

    
    I'll be going to hartford on Sunday.  I will be going with a friend of
    rfb's , my sister and another friend.  
    
    I have 2 extra's for hartford on Sunday - face value.  call me at home
    at 401-348-2176.
        
    Mark

    my bones are walking happy today...less than 12 hours ago I
    was in the midst of the sound safari known as Furthur...
    and I am mightily pleased...mightily pleased.

    with 4 hours sleep I'm not feeling too conversant, but
    I will say that any of you who haven't caught this festival
    yet, but will, you are in for a treat - hours and hours of
    wonderful music - and the kind of music that will soothe
    your soul, I think.

    I have no doubt now that the music I love to hear and
    dance to, and the people I love to dance with, this really -is- 
    going to continue...

    highlights (that I can think of right now)
    Los Lobos - the spaaaaaaaciest of the groups, they did Bertha
    Hornsby did a very touching tribute which had Brokedown Palace in
    it, but my brain won't let me remember what else, but it gave me chills
    Hey - Warren Zevon was there!  
    Hot Tuna did an acoustic set, which was nice, since I missed their
    electric set (got turned away ;-) at the gate, ran into MNelson, and
    we got "delayed" getting in)
    Mystery Box was so excellent live - Great Groove! - Mickey had
    mike problems during Down the Road Again, which was unfortunate
    Bob joined him for Fire on the Mountain and Hornsby played accordian
    on Down the Road Again.
    Weir played with Hornsby too - too much music, too much music! - I
    can't remember what - was it Samson and Delilah?  
    Oh, the sets were Beautiful! - clouds and waves and pastel colors.
    Very cool light show during Mickey's and Bob's sets
    Ratdog played some new tunes - it was a bluesy set and it was a
    Dead set too - lots of Dead tunes done Ratdoggety.
    The definate highlight was Looks Like Rain with Weir and Hornsby -
    Hornsby filled in Jerry's part very very nicely.
    No tears - Jerry's spirit was there, the music was full
    Little Wing with (is it) David Hidalgo(???) on lead - phew - this was
    sensuous
    Knockin' on Heaven's Door into Not Fade Away was heartfelt and
    felt good.
    7 hours of just continuous dancing - 3 hours driving - 4 hours sleep -
    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Debess

thank you!!!!  :^)

	da lookingforwardtowednesday ve

    Quick hi-lites from Darien Lake 7/4/96
    Los lobos-Bertha
    Bruce Hornsby-Masterpiece->Dont Do It
                 -Jack Straw(with Bob Weir)
    Mystery  Box -Fire on the Mtn(with Bruce Hornsby)
    Ratdog-Victim or the Crime
           Dear Mr.Fantasy->Truckin (with guests)
           Promised Land(with guests)
           -vocals on Mr.Fantasy were by D.Hilgado
           -Truckin had horns-crazy
     lots of Furthur Fun had that day
                                 Ross
           
    

	I still have 2 extras for Great Woods

	call dtn 226 2974 or send mail
	operators are standing by

    Furthur is FUN!
    
    SPAC is great!
    
    Had fun - and the day was so fun and good vibes and great music!
    
    Thursday - Liberty St Park
    
    More fun to come!
    
    Fredda 

    Looking forward to Wednesday... is the Philly show at Mann Music
    Center, or Camden NJ?

    Camden, NJ - Friday nite!
    
    Fredda

    i have to say hot tuna was smoking....as well as los lobos...
      wasn't too impressed with Hornsby in Maine...
    the weather in Old Orchahd was WEIRD!!!
    
    hail the size of ball bearings....then sun...then rain...then sun 
    the mud people took over by the taping section and proceeded to dance
    up a storm in the huge infield puddles...
    
    Guitar festival took place at the end of ratdog's set last night
    Jorma and Jack....David Hidalgo and one other Lobos axeman....Bob,
    Mickey and Ratdog's key man Johnson
    A rousing Sunshine of Your Love with a SuzieQ->Born on the Bayou
    Pisser!
    Go see it!!
    Just for the Mint Juleps...These ladies can harmonize!
           

    is the lineup different for grate woods i.e. anyone else besides tuna
    lobos, hornsby, mickey and ratdog?
    
    if there is another opener of sorts i may decide on going...really
    don't want to miss hot tuna if i can help it

I sent my thoughts on Furthur and Mystery Box to Robert Hunter
yesterday.  Got a reply:

---
From:	STAR::US2RMC::"[email protected]"  9-JUL-1996 04:42:41.93

Debess,

glad you went and dug it. Does the CD sound better now that you have some
visuals to add to it? 
The thing about the festival is that it's there to be enjoyed, not compared
and contrasted to other music at other times. You got that in spades. Enough
people seeing that is the only way it can continue.

rh
---

    Debess
    that is pretty cool...I feel the same way about this...if they keep
    at it in a sort of Deadapalooza way with changing acts each year it
    could be the new rage....
    i know i would be going 

    I AGREE! I'd like to see some of the "up-n-coming" bands...like Left Over
    Salmon and (the rest of those type bands whose names escape me right now, 
    but ya'll know who I mean) join the Furthur Tour in later Summers. and
    old standbys like Santana too. 
    
    rfb

	I heard an interview with Weir on Gans' GDHour - he said that
	they had wanted some younger bands for Furthur, but that they 
	started making arrangements too late and the bands they were 
	interested in already had plans with H.O.R.D.E and Lalapalooza, 
	I guess.

	And besides, if they had more bands, how long would this
	show be?!?!  Can we dance for more than 7 hours straight?
	Or should I have said, 7 hours continuously ;-) ;-) ;-)

	Debess

    7 hours!?!!?
    
    in the words of Da ve
    
    FEH!
    
    
    Child's play for this camper....

    
        Looking forward to Grate Woods tomorrow.
    
        Anyone else gonna be there?
    
        Where's the meeting spot?
    
    	What's the latest dope?

    i'll be there with Ger...  
    
    we'll probably be the earliest, rather than latest, dopes... :^)
    
    no meeting spot set yet, unless you want to be at ger's at 12:30...
    
    				da ve

    
    Jim Fedele is picking me up here at LKG around 1:00.
    
    After a stop at the liquor store, we'll be arriving at Greatwoods in
    full force at around 2:15.  Meeting up somewhere notorious and easy, like 
    in front of the ticket sale window to the right of the main entrance, 
    would be good.  If not there, I've made some arrangements with Leblanc 
    to meet up at the left hand side (looking up from the stage) beer tent 
    around 5:00.  
    
    I've got some friends saying this Further thing blows, and others
    saying it's pretty good.  Hafta find out for meself!

    re:some saying this Furthur thing blows...
    
    
    let 'em blow right on outa there and save a tix for someone that wants
    it! 
    
    rfb

	I don't think any of these shows are sold out - noone needs
	to worry about getting a ticket...
	but, the attitude...bring the right attitude!!!

	the scene inside Hartford was so mellow and so happy - it
	was just wonderful.  the scene outside in the parking lot
	was a bit weird - I got some, I don't know, angry vibrations
	walking back to my car.  Nitrous tanks hissing loudly.
	The disco van, which I was forced to walk by, obnoxiously
	intrusive.  Lotta people swearing at eachother - and not
	because it's the only way they know how to talk - it just
	seemed angry...

	but inside.... :-) :-) :-)

	Debess

	(I should say that walking thru the lots going IN was a whole
	different feeling - I was SO HAPPY to see my people out in
	force - everyone seemed in great spirits then)

    yes...the right attitude!
    
    odd, that description, Debess..the "180 degrees out of phase" effect

    
    I'm going with an open mind, but I'm afraid that over the years, all
    those times Jerry would forget a verse, drift away from the rest of 
    the band or just play real bad on some nights and real good on
    others...it was all part of the deal, the phenomenon, the reason to go 
    back, and I've been spoiled by seeing so many f'in excellent Dead Shows
    (life sucks doesn't it! ;-).  
    
    Will Further offer that same diversity?  Will it offer the peaks and 
    valleys?  Will it be a saga as opposed to a novel?  Will we feel 
    comfortable enough to dance our asses off as the music takes over as 
    it did before?
    
    I don't know.  Luckily, there's always Phish.  For some reason they
    were able to get through my wall.  As I grow older, seems the wall gets
    thicker..I grow harder, luckily, I saw the Dead for the first time when 
    the wall was very thin...I was more open than I am now.
    
    				- Deane

    
>    Will Further offer that same diversity?  
	no it will offer a new and different diversity!
	Diversity in the sense of some world music - between Los Lobos
	and Mystery Box...
	Diversity in the sense of them mixing it up on stage - jumping
	into eachother's acts and going for the edge that way...

>    Will it offer the peaks and valleys?  
	yep, most likely - the show is so long it can't help BUT!

>    Will it be a saga as opposed to a novel?  
	hope so!  I'll be there...

>    Will we feel comfortable enough to dance our asses off as the music 
     takes over as it did before?
        absolutely no doubt about it!!!


	they're not cutting us away from our roots, so I've found - but
	they're giving us some new wings to try out - it will feel
	familiar and new at the same time!
	have FUN! tomorrow Deane-o

So, meeting place...
deano was over tonight and we thought perhaps 2 meeting times:

1) pahking lot

lets say 1pm, 2pm, 3pm, 4pm at the lane split.  what i mean by this is
there are 3 lanes of traffic heading into the parking area.  initially,
all 3 lanes travel side-by-side;  then, the right lane diverges right, and
the left 2 lanes diverge left.  i'm thinking that where this diversion 
occurs is a good, central place to try and meet on the hour,...  it won't
be as crowded and hectic as trying to hook up near the entrance or near
the ticket window.... what do you think?  need to lock&load on this asap!

2) inside grateshaft;

6 pm at the upper left beer tent.  something like this (deano correct
me if i goof):


               lawn     lawn        lawn       lawn

   XX 
           sec 8     sec 7    sec 6    sec 5   sec 4


                  sec 3      sec 2     sec 1

                         STAGE


XX marks the spot; 6 pm!

      For all those going to GW tomorrow and are seeing this for the 1st
    time....all you need to know is that this is not a dead show BUT it
    is one grate time...I enjoyed myself completely up at OOB...good day,
    good weather (even with the hail), good friends, good music, very, very
    happy that I was there..:-)!!!
    
       hi-lites for me included: electric hot tuna, gotta love it
              Bertha by los lobos
              Aiko>rainbow's cadillac>aiko by hornsby
              wang dang doodle by ratdog
              and the whole "encore thing"
              many hours of dancing and wow, did I need that
    
         enjoy everybody...wish I could go again
    
                       :-) daveb

    JC - Will try to look for you at the "lane split" at 2pm or 3pm, I
    guess (leaving the house about 1:30 or so). 
    
    Definitely gonna be inside by 3:30 or so to see Tuna.
    
    	dave
    

    bagging out on the beer tent meeting place and the show folks
    saw 2 so missing this won't be THAT big of a deal
    Gotta pack up and get ready for Reeggaefest!
    as of 3 pm Thurs...JAH RASTAFARI!
    
    Like DaveB and Debess said...You'll get out of your seat..
    CAUSE you GOT to DANCE!
    

    
    re - Leblanc 
    
    You wuss!
    
    re - JC     
    
    6:00 PM at the left hand beer tent sounds very good!
    
    I'll try to swing by the driveway spilt at around 3:00
    
    

Oh yeah, another thing..... when you are queuing to go in,
get in the right lane!  that way, we'll all be in the same
lot at least!

    
     Howdy,
       Had a grate time in Hartford on Sunday.  Hooked up with Debess and
    Guntis during pre-show.  I met up with rfb's friend hoot inside. 
    Awesome time.  
       I will be meeting Jay Jols at 2:15-2:30 at the will-call booth
    today.  See you folks there.
    
      Back to vacation and da beach
    	Mark

    
    I think will-call is still way out by the street?
    
    Is this true?

    will call?
    i thought it was over to the right of the concourse area near the main
    gate

I think a better meeting place might be the yellow and white tent that they
have on the way from the left-hand lots (as you're entering the place) to
the turnstiles.  At least there's some shade!  This tent is along the
wooden fence they have around the back of the lawn to keep people from
hopping over and getting a free ride in! (I wonder if there will be any
gate crashing today :-))

BTW, JC, your map of GW needs to be flipped.  Sections 3-2-1 as you list
them are really 1-2-3.  And 8-7-6-5-4 is 4-5-6-7-8.

adam

    
    I don't know about the tent...it gets very hectic up there.  Seems that
    the idea of checking, every hour,  where the right hand lane separates 
    from the 3 main lanes is good....if not there, the beer stand at the upper
    left hand corner of the lawn (looking out from the stage) at 6:00PM is
    a no brainer.  
    
    See ya there!  
    
    Deane_brainless!

	man, wish I was going with you guys today!
	it was fun with just me and Guntis alone together...but it's
	always so much -more- fun to be at a show with a group of friends!

	hope the weather holds out tonite - we have had some terrific
	thunder&lightning&hail storms this week!

	Furthur!,
	Debess

Just picked up a ticket from Adam this morning - any
last minute people (like me) who'd like to ride along
with me, send me mail (lassie::grady)...I'll be around
for another hour or two...

tim

    OOB, Grate time...wish I was at GW today.  I wasnt sure what to expect 
    and now that I've got one under my belt and hopefully many more to
    come, Im still not sure what to expect.
    
    The "scene" was very cool.  The vending was the best Ive seen in
    awhile.  Grate fun in the parking lot.  Our party broke off on various
    excursions and never reassembled til after the hail storm...
    
    When the hail started, a few of us less sober types dove under a
    clothed table setup...safe or so we thought, casually taking in the light 
    and hail show, we scoped these dupes who were huddled under an umbrella 
    with lighting touching off on all sides. Bunch of idiots right? Then we
    look up and notice the table we were under was 100% alluminum...yikes...
    so much for stupidity.
    
    Having missed Tuna and Los Lamos, the one nit for me was the lack of
    guitars in the music.  This may have been by design out of respect for 
    Jerry, ect. although Ratdog has always left me wishing Jerry would
    somehow appear on stage and fill in all that empty space.  so much for
    dreaming.
    
    Have fun...
    
    jeff
     

    well. thanks to JC fer sellin' me two last-minute tickets
    yesterday!  GRATE Woods was just GRATE!!
    The partying was serene and cool and varied (Nitros balloons! YIKES!)
    ...maybe that's how I ended up in a cowfield at 2:30 this morning!
    DOUBLE-YIKES!!
    
    Didn't get to meet & greet JC & all you other DECheads, let's
    just say my pal and me were "distracted"...the ONLY negativity
    was the amount of busts in the lot...man, we were right next to
    this camper that had the heat all over them! Poor guys!
    Sgt. Stedenko fer sure!!  That really kinda got the paranoids
    flowing.....
    
    but I digress....the show was superb! GRATE sound at GRATE Woods!
    Los Lobos blew me away! Verrrry tight set, and as someone
    mentioned earlier, a wonderful version of "Bertha" by Los Lobos!!
    
    Missed Hot Tuna (unfortunately!) anyone catch their set??
    
    Mystery Box was cool, but lacked enough musical input
    from Mickey....seemed almost dwarfed by his group..other than
    that nit-pick, a good time was had by all......
    
    thanks and sorry if I missed anyone, but you know how
    the lot-parties go.....
    
    wacky_macky
    

    how about a review of grate woods for those of us who bailed?

Ok,

Took a 1/2 day vacation yesterday and got to GW around 2:15.  Already a lot
of people there....

Left the lot at 3:40 to make it in on time for Hot F Tuna!!!!!   
When we walked in there was a drum band with dancing ladies.  Mildly suprised.
Not bad.

Hot Tuna played a nice 45 minute set.
Los Lobos blew me away with their cover of Bertha - EXCELLENT!  That got the
crowd involved.  Let me ask why 75% of the folks at last night's show wait
till the music is 1/2 over with to even bother coming into great woods.  ??  
The place was empty for Tuna and Los Lobos and didn't really start filling
until Hornsby came out....who played a nice set too.

Mystery Box was excellent - The Mickey prancing and dancing during 
Down the Road like he was the other Mick (jagger).  Excellent band with
lots of potential.  Plenty of room for expansion (guitars ...)
oh yea, Fire on the mountain was nice too.

After this I was tired since I was up with Sam the night/morning before
so I was ready to book!  But out popped what might've been the highlight
of the night - Acoustic TUNA!!!!!!!!!!  EXCELLENT!  Played a nice set.


Weir came out .... I only had one barf bag and used it up during 
EEEEEEEEEETERRRRRRRRRRRRRNITYYYYYYYYYYYYY and left....Ya Minglewood
was cool and so wasn't the song after Eternity but after watching
RatDog you know why they say, "it ain't easy bein' cheesy" :) :) :)
Many apologies to RatDog fans...I like Bob's other solo efforts but
never did like the Weir/Wasserman thing....I left as I was hearing 
Rob solo the Star Spangled Banner....if there were any huge jam sessions
with alot of people from all the bands, then I missed it and would have
liked to see that....but from my vantage point (the parking lot) there
were a lot of people who felt like I did (streaming out during Weir's set).

Saw and talked with JC, Josh, Deb, Jols, TomW  and a bunch of folk...

Definately a good time.... 
bob

    Acoustic tuna
    
    all i got was hail

    
    What a weird show!
    
    Parking lot scene was friendly and exciting (besides the cops).
    
    Arrived during Los Lobos and wasn't too impressed with their
    performance.  
    
    Hornsby was very good and his band sounds full considering there aren't
    too many people on stage.
    
    Mystery Box was raging.  Totally trippy.  Very rythmic.  Better than
    what I was expecting.  I danced for the whole hour.
    
    H.F.T. came back out (luckily, cause I missed them the first time) and
    put out a short acoustic set that was very relaxing and very well
    played.
    
    Seemed Ratdog was lacking in the fullness-of-sound department for the
    majority of their set until Jourma, Hornsby and a few others joined in
    for a ripping Playin!!!!  
    
    Wow...a fire alarm in LKG...gotta go!   

    
    Now getting back to Ratdog.
    
    I think a lead guitarist is called for.  Jourma actually seemed to play
    lead very well foor that Playin and certainly is qualified.
    
    So what ever happened to Vince?

    most definitely
    
    the cheese factor may subside at that point

    My own impressions of the GW show:
    
    Hot Tuna was good. Did lots of familiar stuff. (Is it me or does Jack
    look so thin as to be almost sickly?) He played great though, as did Jorma.
    Did "Keep Your Lamps" deadicated to Jerry I believe.
    
    J.W. Harding was pretty good. The highlight was his rendition of the
    Ramones' "I Wanna be Sedated."
    
    Los Lobos was terrific. Mostly all footstomping stuff like Evangeline,
    a Spanish tune, Kiko, etc. Hildago did the accordian thing too. They're
    great. Only one tune maybe from the new more "experimental" CD.
    Bertha was excellent.
    
    Alvin Youngblood Hart played traditional acoustic blues. Pretty good
    but the crowd wasn't into it that much.
    
    Hornsby was terrific. He's a likeable person and that comes across in
    his shows. Highlights were some gospel bangin', "The way It Is", 
    Floyd's "Comfortably Numb", and "Goin Down the Road" with Bruce on
    accordian. Took requests. Invited the crowd to dance onstage. 
    Calls for "Bruce! Bruce!" during the show. He's like the only other
    person who can complement Weir musically with Jerry-like excursions into 
    the unknown. Know what I mean?
    
    Flying Karamazov Brothers were fun. Couldn't always hear them through
    the mikes both during the show and as they emceed the festivities.
    
    Hart's band was terrific. If you like "world music", this is for you.
    6 percussionists and 6 singers. Some of the tunes reminded me of
    the group Sweet Honey in the Rock. Others were more soul-poppin'
    dancing stuff. I thought they were terrific and would buy the CD.
    I like the fact that it's not 100% percussion. The singers add a lot.
    Mickey sang/talked his way through Fire on the Mountain and another
    tune that spoke of Garcia. Was a nice touch.
    
    Hot Tuna came back for a shorter acoustic set. Great to get them back
    especially for people who might have missed them at 4.
    
    Rat Dog was the least solid band in my opinion. Kelly is an average
    harmonica player. Johnson was not allowed to extend himself that much
    on piano and in fact had to fight to be heard over the harmonica. He
    was greatly under-utilized. Wasserman, however, was terrific on bass.
    He did a solo jam that included some touches of "The Eleven" followed
    by a Hendrix-like national anthemn (all on those hi-tech square little 
    upright basses). The band wasn't that tight. Seemed kind of thin to 
    me. Same for the vocals. Not quite in synch. Weir did Blackbird, New
    Minglewood Blues, Lovelights among Dead tunes. 
    
    Jam session included Hornsby and his band, Hot Tuna,Hart, and Weir doing 
    Playing in the Band into Dylan's "It takes a lot to laugh, it takes a 
    train to cry." Johnson came out for Johnny B. Goode. I think Weir was
    much more in his element here. Was a satisfying conclusion to the show.
    
    
    Other notes:
    
    The walk in almost became tragic in the parking lot when two black 
    puppies tethered to each other with a 10-foot leash were allowed to 
    run in front of traffic as they tried to follow their caretaker who 
    ran to get a ticket. I stood there helplessly about to witness two
    squashings but miraculously the car missed both of them AND didn't
    get tangled in the leash. A miracle that day indeed. My heart was
    still thumping as I headed in.
    
    I was manhandled by a 60-year-old lady last night for standing in a
    seating area for which I had no ticket. It was the very end of the show
    (the encore), but they didn't care. One of the downsides of GW. 
    
    Upside? Well it was nice that they had an area for a person to sign the 
    music for the hearing-impaired.
     
    Ok, this was an objective "music critic" review of the show. Sure, I had
    fun and enjoyed most of the scene throughout. It was a beautiful sunny
    day too. 
    
    It gave me "closure" in the sense that I got a little taste of the Dead
    one last time plus an introduction to something new (Hart's band) to
    move on with. But I am moving on. I just don't know how successful any
    kind of Dead reunion thing will work. Paying homage to the Dead as
    Hornsby and Los Lobos do (where you don't *expect* a Dead-like
    treatment) are great but Garcia's absence was painfully evident during
    Dead tunes done by Weir and Hart. 
    
    Bot a signed Kesey novel and Dick's Picks 4 and 5 as well to round out
    the day.
    
    
    - Bob
                                                           
    
    

    I read in Duprees that Vince wanted Ratdog to do lots of GD &
    Beatles covers, wheras Bob wanted the bluesy route...
    too bad Vince didn't stay..
    I heard one of Vinces side bands just played the Fillmore recently,
    I thnk it may have been Second Sight... Ross
    
    

    Bob and Bob
    thanks
    i was turned off by the whole scene outside as i sat and waited at the
    gate for my bud deuce to show up at 730.....
    
    might have been the smackhead that fell over in the parking lot and
    had to be taken out in an ambulance....APPARENT overdose
    
    and why do people bring their animals to shows? 
    i never could understand that

    
    >Upside? Well it was nice that they had an area for a person to sign
    >the music for the hearing-impaired.
    
	Yes...I like to watch her under that little light.
    
    	At the Gahdin I recall her becoming somewhat cross when Jerry would
    	fumble with the lyrics...she would just shrug to the deaf folk
    	onlooking.  :-)

ok... here's my take on the day...

sure i should be working, but...  :^)

first, i had a ball... :^)  i didn't realized how much i missed all this
until i got in there and starting digging the scene...  i had NO problems
with GW staff at all all day...  the only "problem" i saw was the usual 
thing with the horde of staff fpeople taking away open beers inthe lot...
i thought everyone knew to use a cup there?  live and learn...  no busts,
just take it away, and 10 minutes later the cops were there to explain
that it was illegal to have an open container...  they gave the "don't let
us see you do it ok?  don't force us to do our jobs" attitude and all was
well again...

was amazed that they didn't hassle anyone for vending in the lots...
was amazed that no one wanted to check me going in...  just show the
ticket and walk in!  no aisle nazi treatment...  no threats of expulsion
for smoking...  it was all very cool, at least around me...

i missed the drummers/dancing ladies...  but caught hot tuna...  it's always
a treat to see them electric...  yes, Jack is thinnner and he and Jorma
are both sporting real short hair cuts...  looked healthy to me though...
once i was over the surprise of seeing them outside in daylight... :^)
Jorma was HOT, and they played well i thought...

John Wesley Harding was very good...  i liked what he was doing but
not spectacular... got a kick out of the ramones cover... :^)  and when 
he spoke about his "summer job, playing between hot tuna and los lobos"
i had to admit to a twinge of jealousy... :^)

then Los Lobos...  imho, the tightest band of the day!!  man, they rocked...
these guys can all play and they had the crowd going...  reminded me why i 
enjoyed them so much in the past...  hot stuff in a style i can really appreciate...
they are so great live, the studio cannot do them justice...  very ballsy... dancin
music that puts a smile on my face!

the dude who came out next (name i fergit) and did the bluesy thing was 
pretty good... i felt bad for him though, following such hot tunes...  i wasn't into
hiw stuff much and while he played well, for me was the low point of the day...

then Hornsby...  zowie!  he loves playing the boston area and "apologized" to
'the fans for not being there much the last few years... he's never had a bad show 
at great woods and explained his absence by saying "i just plain forgot!"...  he
was glad to rectify the over sight though... :^)   the man is amazing on keys...
sinply remarkable... i can see why Jerry loved to play with him so...  he seemed the
biggest hit with the crowd that day too...  a typical Hornsby set (which is NOT a put
down at all)...

then the flying K bros...  pretty interesting, but i admit i needed to take a break
so i missed a lot of the act...

then Mickey...  oddly enough, it was kind of what i expected... especially since so
many people had said "it won't be like anything you'd expect!" :^)  some planet 
drum elements survive i think in the brazilian and african poly rhythmic stuff...
i was very pleased...  ican see how it may not translate as well into cd form though...
a great live act and i would certainlysee them again...  Ger and i laughed at the 
rap-ish elements, esp with Fire on the Mountain...  so is his new stage name
"Grand Master Mickey" or "MC Hart" now????   :^) :^) :^)  all kidding
aside, very nicely done... as for not enough Mickey influence, i disagree... it 
wouldn't have happened at all without him!  i assume that you mean he didn't 
really stand out, which is not surprising to me at all... he didn't in planet drum 
either...  Mick's whole thing is not to dominate, but to decorate...  to fit into the 
groove in such a way that your contribrtion is there without calling attention
to yourself...  kind of like the old concepts of "wah" or "chi"... a conduit of
energy that flows throught the whole group and brings it all together...  an act
like that cant have standouts for long...  great stuff...

acoustic tuna... been there, done that...  lots of times... yes, it was very good
and Jorma was still hot! :^)  the acoustic bit was a nice change from what came
before, but consistent with the day...  nothing terribly remarkable...  just solid
old-time tuna...

Bobby and Ratdog...  eh, but not feh...  Bobby, for me, is becoming a nostalgia 
act...  solid performance, but certainly not the level of music or musicianship
that was diplayed elsewhere all day...  nice to hear some of the old cheasy songs
done iwth a band...  much less chessy than i expected, and while he's in very
good voice, i echo the sentiments about there being something missing...  and
it's not necessarly a jerry thing either...  almost a shame to have him as the big
closer, feature-type act...  i don't think he warrants it as a solo performer...
dont misunderstand, he was good, but overshadowed...  sorry Bobby... love you to
pieces, but you're a part of the whole...  a weak leading man with insufficient 
supporting cast...  the second lowest point of the day for me...  :^/

best???  tough call...  for me, it would be like, Los Lobos for performance, Hornsby
for musicianship, grand master Mickey for most interesting new stuff...  then Tuna
for just being the same consistent, professional wonders that they are...

the solo between acts were all good and worth watching...  but youngblood (?) and
Bobby just didn't do it for me much...

an awesome day though!  nice to have the tribe together again...  

wish i saw more of *you* all there...  saw Mark Nelson, Jay Jolly dude, Ger, Bruce
Mandaro and severla members of the slipknot crowd, Tim Grady and a couple others 
that my sleep deprived and and overworked brain can't think of just now...

i wouldn't follow them on tour, but i'd see them again!!!!

				da ve

    ...ya, da ve...you bring up a valid point....i was just expecting
    Mickey to standout more.....now that you mention it, I hafta agree....
    musta been what I was expecting rather than what was to be....
    don't get me wrong, Mystery Box, as a muscial entity, was wayyy
    cool, very tight, very rhytmic.....just an old man's
    thoguhts.....feelin' my age today fer sure.......
    
    gotta love it!
    
    wacky

    re;feelin' my age today fer sure
    
    what a drag, eh? happens to the best of us! %^)
    
    rfb_READY FOR FURTHUR IN DENVER!

    
    jeeeezus
    this place sounds like shady pines retirement village
    
    Off to Kind Vermont for Reggaefest!
    Irie!

    "goin down the road" is echoing through my head today.. for
    some reason, that was the musical highlight for me.

    Bruce was great.  That was the big surprise for me.  BRUUUUCE!
    "the way it is" rocked.  He and Jack seemed to be having the
    most fun.  Bruce is so happy-looking, it's infectious!

    I enjoyed the encores, but could have used more.

    Hot Tuna is good.  Los Lobos kills.

    Best part was seeing friends.

    Tom

Furthur Set Lists


from Todd the Tuna Roadie in the Cybertent:

Hot Tuna 7/6/96-S.P.A.C Saratoga, NY
1. Death Don't Have No Mercy
2. Walkin' Blues
3. 99 Year Blues
4. Embryonic Journey
5. Hit Single #1
6. Ode to Billy Dean
7. Just My Way
8. Come Back Baby

Los Lobos 7/6/96 S.P.A.C. Saratoga, NY
1. Pigfoot
2. I Walk Alone
3. Riverbed
4. Evangeline
5. Revolution
6. Cinnamon Girl
7. Loaded
8. San Antone
9. Mas y Mas
10. Bertha

Hornsby, Hart 7/6 SPAC 
From [email protected] in the Cybertent:
Bruce Hornsby:
spiderfingers, well you needn't, rainbow's cadillac (with giovanni
hidalgo), scarlet begonias-->st. Thomas-->scarlet (with chalo eduardo 
and
samba nova), defenders of the flag, tangled up in blue (with giovanni
hidalgo), percussion jam (with giovanni & chalo), across the river (with
giovanni), mystery train (with giovanni).

Mystery Box:
bani we, full steam ahead, where love goes, the next step, sandman,
percussion jam, down the road (with bruce hornsby), only the strange
remain, fire on the mountain (with bob weir, bruce hornsby, and jack 
casady).

Tuna @ Darien Lake 7/4/96
Let us get together, Candyman, Walkin' Blues, Ice Age, Hit Single #1, 
Uncle Sam Blues, Just my Way, Come Back Baby. (end)

Blossom Music Center 7-2-96

Bruce Hornsby
-------------
Intro*->
Well You Needn't*->
Spider Fingers
Carry The Water->
Tangled Up In Blue (!)
Defenders of the Flag
Mandolin Rain+
Cruise Control
Mystery Train->
Valley Road
* with Alvin Youngblood Hart on guitar
+ parts of Brokedown Palace and That Would Be Something 

Warren Zevon
------------
Lawyers Guns & Money
Detox Mansion (?)
Let Us Be Together Tonight
Boom Boom Manciney
Werewolves of London (Akron)

Ratdog
------
Fever->
I Need A Miracle->
Wang Dang Doodle
Blackbird
Big Boss Man (Matt Kelly on vocals)
Minglewood Blues (Cleveland fillies, right here in Cleveland) Should I 
Happen To Forget(?) (old ballad, like Frank Sinatra-ish) Shade of Gray->
Cassidy-> (with Hornsby, nice jam)
Bass Solo (NFA, St Stephen)
Josephine
Jam
---
Kansas City (1)
??????????? (2)
West L.A. Fadeaway (3)
1: Johnnie Johnson, piano + vocals; Michael F. and Jorma from Hot Tuna 
with Bob Weir on guitar; Pete Sears, accordian; Matt Kelly, harmonica; 
Los Lobos sax player with Hornsby's horns; Wasserman on bass. 
2: Familiar blues song, I place the name. Pete Sears, piano; Bruce 
Hornsby, accordian; Ceaser Rosas, guitar & vocals; Jack Cassidy, bass; 
Bob Weir, guitar & vocals; all the horns stay. 
3: Hornsby on piano, vocals; David Hidalgo on guitar; Jorma leaves 
stage; otherwise same players.

set lists for furthur festival @ the world, Chicago 30th June 1996.

JohnWesleyHarding:(not complete)
when the beatles hit america
if you want to sing out, sing out
the devil in me (in which he acknowledges evil of playing a cat stephens 
song)

LosLobos:
"i walk alone" {sounds just like crossroads, gotta be a clapton/cream 
song} "hold on, can't believe it. oh yeah, almost ...?...*dreaming*" 
evangelene
otis rush tune: w/pete sears
"high time for a revolution"? -> a short "low spark" jam no mas se ma 
?"tell alot of lies" (mas y mas?) ???-(flamenco/tango type beat)(spanish 
lyrics) ???-(polka beat)
la bamba (slow+steady, the pace of "like a rolling stone", really nice 
guitar solo)
bertha

Hornsby:
?/chopsticks
step by step?
rainbow's cadillac
goin down the road feelin bad
tango king
"some fine day"?"goin' cross the river"... ?"get down town"?
{sounds like>} "great big ? with the golden hair" leon russel tune:
"sing this song of love one more time"?"we gonna have a good time" 
encore:"look out any window and see what's going on" 

MysteryBox:
???(i think it's the same tune that opened his set at alpine, but i'm 
not sure)
full steam ahead
where love goes(sito)
the next step
the sandman
{drums}
down the road w/hornsby
fire on the mountain w/hornsby

Ratdog: @-bobby on acoustic
walkin blues
take me to the river
youngblood @
eternity @
k c moan @
...masterpiece @ w/hornsby
(blues jam {sweet home chicago?})
little red rooster
"he travels the fastest who travels alone" (vocal fade is bobby stepping 
backing away from mic)
victim or the crime
bass solo: hey bo diddly -> st stephen (imho:it was sublime) easy 
answers
encore1:truckin' w/jorma+hornsby+hart
encore2:"evening train"?Baby, How Long?
jorma w/hornsby+his brass + hart?
encore3:lovelight ratdog(all?) w/jorma+hornsby+brass+hart (everybody?) 
from the cybertent:

Hot Tuna Setlist from Pine Knob, 7/3/96
death don't have no mercy; do not go gentle, 99 year blues, hesitation 
blues, hit single #1, a.k. 47, junkies on angel dust, funky #1, you got 
me running. 
Note: hot tuna sound guy says that the band has closed with "you got me 
running" on most shows...

Tuna, Lobos setlists 7/2
from Mike Falzarano (Hot Tuna) in the Cybertent: 

Hot Tuna
let us get together, candy man, ice age, embroyonic journey, hit single 
#1,ode to billy dean, just my way, junkies on angel dust. 

Los Lobos
angel dance, i walk alone, evangeline, revolution, cinnamon girl, one 
time, loaded, carabina, san antone, mas y mas, BERTHA!!
from: "James A Sterns" <[email protected]>
from: Dave Bolan <[email protected]>

Wednesday July 3, 1996
Pine Knob Music Center, Clarkston MI

Hot Tuna:
Death Don't Have No Mercy
Do Not Go Gentle
99 Year Blues
Hestitation Blues
Hit Single #1
A. K. 47
Junkies On Angel Dust
Funky #1
You Got Me Running
John Wesley Harding:
...
The Devil in Me

Los Lobos:
Will the Wolf Survive
Chicago-->
Don't Worry Baby (with Pete Sears)
Dream in Blue
Evangeline (with Pete)
?"Oh My"? off the Colossal Head album, (with Pete)
????
Please don't keep me wondering (with Pete)
Got to let you know (with Pete)
????, in Spanish
Bertha (with Pete)

Alvin Youngblood Hart:
...
"Gallow Pole"

Bruce Hornsby:
Aiko Aiko Tease->
?
Stander on the Mountain
Night on the Town
Valley Road(by audience request)
Aiko Aiko
Wharf Rat->
Talk of the Town

Mystery Box:
...
Fire on the Mountain (with Hornsby on accordian)

Ratdog:
Good Morning Little Schoolgirl
Howl'n To My Darling
Youngblood
Eternity ->
Juke ->
It's All Over Now (with Hornsby)
Looks Like Rain (with Hornsby)
The Winners
Easy to Slip -->
Bass solo (Lovelight -> Amazing Grace)
Lovelight (with sax and guitar from Los Lobos, brass from Hornsby)
Tanqueray (with guests)
Low Spark Of High Heeled Boys (with Bruce)
Watchtower (mega jam with Jorma, Jack Cassidy, most of Los Lobos, 
Hornsby)
from: Jason Verch <[email protected]>
from: Dave Bolan <[email protected]>

Thursday July 4, 1996
Darien Lake Performing Arts Center, Darien Center NY
Hot Tuna:
Let Us Get Together
Candyman
Walkin' Blues
Ice Age
Hit Single #1
Uncle Sam Blues
Just My Way
Come Back Baby

John Wesley Harding:
...
The Briar & the Red Rose ->
Jack-a-Roe
...
The Devil in Me

Los Lobos:
...
Bertha 
Hornsby: 
Step by Step
The Way It Is (1)
?->
Don't Break My Heart
One Slip
White-Wheeled Limousine
Jack Straw(with Bob Weir)
Quinn The Eskimo

Mickey Hart's Mystery Box:
...
Fire on the Mountain (with Hornsby on accordian)

Ratdog:
Walkin' Blues (Bob acoustic)
City Girls (Bob acoustic)
Fever
KC Moan
Goin' Fishin' (real name? Johnnie Johnson on vocals)
I Know You Rider (Matt Kelly on vocals)
Masterpiece (Bruce on Accordion)
Little Red Rooster (Bruce on Keys, no JJ)
Victim Or The Crime
Bass Solo (NFA->Star Spangled Banner)
Throwing Stones (Bruce on Keys, no JJ)
Dear Mr. Fantasy (2)
Truckin' (3)
Promised Land (4)
(1) - Bruce starts by saying someone asked him why he doesnt play
The Way It Is anymore, he says its not because he doesn't
like it, or has funny feelings for it, it just slipped his
mind, then he busted it out for the first time all tour.
(2) - Most of Los Lobos, Bruce, Jorma?, Mickey.
(3) - Most of Los Lobos, every horn player, Bruce, Mickey, Bruce's 
Bassist.
(4) - Most everybody

Furthur Festival
Deer Creek Music Center, Friday, June 28, 1996

HOT TUNA
Walkin Blues
Hesitation Blues
99 Year Blues
Ice Age
?->
Highway Song
?
?

LOS LOBOS
I Walk Alone
Evangeline
The Time Was Right
Wicked Rain
?
Ya No Quiero
Anselma?
Mas Y Mas
Bertha

BRUCE HORNSBY
Hot House Ball
Night On The Town
Long, Tall Cool One
Easy Street>
Iko, Iko
Carry the Water
Cruise Control
Valley Road->
Mystery Train

MYSTERY BOX
Full Steam Ahead
Where Love Goes (Sito)
The Next Step
Drums/Chant
The Sandman->
Drums
Down the Road (1)
Fire On the Mountain (2)
1- with Bruce Hornsby on accordion
2- with Bob Weir on guitar

RATDOG
I Need a Miracle->
City Girls->
Eternity
Blackbird
KC Moan (1)
Juke
Minglewood
This Time Forever->
Shades of Gray
Cassidy (2)->
Waaserman Bass Solo:
St. Stephen>
Star Spangled Banner
Josephine
1 with Pete Sears
2 with Bruce Hornsby on piano

FURTHUR ENSEMBLE
Higher & Higher
West L.A. Fadeaway
Johnny B. Goode
ENCORE
The Weight

Virginia Beach Amphitheatre, Virginia Beach, Virginia Tuesday June 25, 
1996

Hot Tuna started promptly at 4pm. We were just getting there and so did 
not get to see them, but could hear them playing something to know that 
they had started.
That'll never happen no more
Walkin Blues
99 Year Blues
Waterside
I see the light
? - Jorma sung tune
? - Mike sung tune
Junkies on Angel Dust

John Wesley Harding
played several songs we did not see/hear , last song was The Devil In Me 
Other peoples failure
Red rose & the briar (Jack - a roe tease ?) When the Beatles hit America
Devil in Me

Los Lobos
3rd song: Evangeline
5th song: Cinnamon Girl
Last song: Bertha
Angle Dance
I walk alone
Evangeline
Revolution (low spark tease ?)
Cinnamon Girl
One time one night
Last night I got loaded/Lovelight verse
Ya No Quiro (?)
Anselma (?)
Mas y Mas
Bertha

6pm: The Flying Karamozov Brothers

6:30 : Bruce Hornsby
Pastures of Plenty
Jacob's ladder
Scarlet Begonias
Talk of the town -> Big Boss Man(couple of verses only) Rainbows 
Cadillac
Western Skyline ->
Masterpiece
Valley Road
Quinn the Eskimo

Mickey Harts Mystery Box - I had to guess at the song names. Full Steam 
Ahead
Where Love Goes
Next Step (something about A Man On the Wind of Distant Drums) The 
Sandman <with Bob Weir>
Down the Road Again <with Bruce Hornsby on accordian> Fire on the 
Mountain <Bruce Hornsby on accordian><Mickey singin rap version> This Is 
the Last Song
ended 9:05 pm

9:35 pm: Ratdog
Good Morning Little School Girl
Come On Home (?)
Wang Dang Doodle
Maggies Farm
Looks Like Rain <with Bruce Hornsby on keyboards> Juke
The Winners ->
Easy To Slip
Bass solo (Amazing Grace/ National Anthem) Turn on Your Lovelight <with 
Mickey Hart and Mystery Box member on 
yet a third drum set>
Midnight Hour <with members of Los Lobos, members of Mickeys 
band, Jack Casady and a Karamozov brother on trombone> All Along the 
Watchtower < with members of Los Lobos, members of Mickeys 
band, a Karamozov brother on trombone, Bruce Hornsby on keyboards, and 
Jorma Kaukonen)Not Fade Away < with 1 member of Los Lobos, members of 
Mickeys band, a 
Karamozov brother on trombone, Bruce Hornsby on keyboards, and Jorma>
Audience acoustic version and clapping of NFA chorus - hoping for 
encore. No encore - probably due to yet another crappy rule at the 
Amphitheatre. 11:05pm ended.
Disclaimer: I am not familiar with all the band members for the bands. 
Therefore, I am sure that I have inadvertently left out some members and 
and their names. I did my best though. (kraitch sez "Some additions to 
the setlists have been added based on info culled from rec.music.gdead 
and the Well.") From: [email protected]. Date: Thu, 
27 Jun 1996 21:36:32 -0400

Hot Tuna - Atlanta, June 20th

1)Walkin' Blues
2)Hesitation Blues
3)99 Year Blues
4)Hit Single #1
5)Ode To Billy Dean
6)Funky # 7
7) Baby What You Want Me To Do

Hot Tuna - Raliegh, June 23rd

Walkin' Blues
Hesistation Blues
99 Year Blues
Hit Single #1 (Jorma pulls out red Gibson !!! for the rest)
??? -really good rocker with Mike Falzarano vocals!
Funky #7
Junkies On Angel Dust
Baby What You Want Me to Do

CHARLOTTE, 6-22-96
Bruce Hornsby

Hot House Ball
What A Time
Stranded On Easy Street
Across The River
Mandolin Rain>
TWBS>
Brokedown
Tango King
Cruise Control
Another Day>
Train To Cry
Jack Straw (w/Bob)

Mystery Box:

Drumz>
Only The Strange Remain
Sito
Look Away
Next Step
When The Sandman Comes> (w/Bob)
Drumz
(Band Intro)
Down The Road (w/Bruce on accordian & vocals)
Fire On The Mountain (w/Bruce on accordian & vocals and Bob)

Ratdog:

Walkin Blues>
Youngblood
Fever
Blackbird
Big Boss Man (Matt Kelly on vocals)
Tanquarey (Johnnie Johnson on vocals)
Rooster
The Winners>
Bass Solo> (Other One?>Lovelight)
Space>
Victim>
Throwin> (Bruce on Keys; no Johnnie)
Good Lovin*>
Promised**>
Saturday Night**
E: Heaven's Door***
*Bruce on accordian, Jorma on guitar, Jack Cassidy on bass, Mickey on 
drums,
Mystery Box drummer on drums, Mystery Box on percussion (w/o Matt Kelly, 
Jay
Layne, Rob Wasserman)
**Bruce on keys, Los Lobos (guitars & sax), John D'earth on trumpet, 
Bobby
Reed on sax, Mickey on drums, Mystery Box drummer on drums, Mystery Box 
on
percussion (w/o Johnnie Johnson)
***Bruce on accordian, Mickey on percussion, Mystery Box drummer on 
drums,
John D'earth on trumpet, Bobby Reed on sax, Los Lobos keyboardist on sax

RALEIGH, 6-23-96
Bruce Hornsby:

Intro>
Night On The Town
China Doll
Big Rumble
Suagree>
Bumble Bee>
Sugaree
Look Out Any Window
Defenders Of The Flag
Long Tall Cool One>
Jam>
Mystery Train
Let Me Carry The Load

Ratdog:

Miracle>
City Girls>
Eternity
All Over Now
Juke
Minglewood
This Time Forever>
Shades Of Gray>
Cassidy> (Bruce on keys; no Johnnie Johnson)
Bass Solo> (St. Stephen>NFA)
Josephine
Kansas City*
Truckin**
Heaven's Door***
*Mickey on drums, Los Lobos (guitars, sax, accordian), John D'earth on
trumpet, Bobby Reed on sax, Johnnie Johnson on vocals
**Bruce on keys and vocals , Mickey on drums, Mystery Box on percussion,
Jorma on guitar, J.V. Collier on bass, Jay Layne on percussion (w/o Matt
Kelly, Rob Wasserman, Johnnie Johnson)
***Jack Cassidy on bass, Dave Hildago on guitar, Mickey on drums, 
Mystery Box on percussion, Jay Layne on percussion & vocals

    My head hurts! 
    
    I throughly enjoyed the show.
    
    Seeya next year

first off, where is the reggaefest?  burlington?


well... i had fun :-).
big fun.
lot arrival ~13:10.
lot scene was really fun.  i joked with many that if i return
to GW, i think i will sell "Greatwoods Sucks" plastic cups. :-) or
bumper stickers.  GW didn't turn out to be too bad, though, compared
to past experiences.

highlight for me:  Playin'
takes a train to laugh was also excellent.
hornsby can rip!

all in all, i'd do it again.
the lot scene made it fun fun fun

Yes, thanks to JC for the ticket and the ride!

Mellow vending scene.  GW wasn't the big crush of people I was expecting to
be.

I think that the big jam at the end of Ratdog's set was better up at OOB,
where Jack, Jorma, and the 2 main guitarists from Los Lobos sat in.
The OOB Throwing Stones was real heavy too - big emphasis with the "we're on 
our own" line.
Playin', and the 2 acoustic tunes were nice though.  I'd never heard
"It Should Have Been Me" before, but listened carefully to the lyrics..
wow Bob sure lays it on thick with that one!  wearing his heart way out on
his sleeve on this song, for sure.  First line: "I was a diamond in the rough"
etc. obviously refering to when he started in the Dead when he was a teenager.
Lots of lyrical references to "you" where the "you" is directly Garcia.

I agree with da ve's sentiments - the GD repetoire songs that Bob does with
Ratdog are missing a huge piece.

Enjoyed Mystery Box!  Great basswork at the end of Fire On The Mountain by
the bass guitarist.  

Sound in the pavillion was not good at all - echoey, smeared.  better outside
on the lawn, but could have used more bass out there too.

 - Josh

    btw Happy Bobgood.. stay outa my seat next time!  
    yer crowdin' me boy!  ;-)  ;-)

I had a lot of fun.  Nobody sucked for me ;-)  I was impressed by the
'flow' of the event.  The bigger acts were interspersed with the smaller
acts while the set up for the next band took place behind a screen.
Very well done so there were only very short breaks between acts.  In
fact I was lamenting this as it seemed like there was never a good
time to go for a piss/food/general chatter.  Finally managed all that 
during the Flying Karamozov Bros.
  Ran into Mark Nelson and Pete Kubick(sp?) out in the lots where
they were unsucessfully looking for Jay Jols.  Hey, rfb, you're right.
Mark is one crazy dude!  They stayed outside for a while when I went
in to catch Hot Tuna.  Then quickly ran into Adam and then Gary and
Linda Huges who were sitting on the rail at the bottom of the lawn.
Sat with them for a while and then I snagged my friend's Barb and John
as they drifted by.  Hung with them for the rest of the show in the 
same general area on the lawn until the Karamozov's showed up and we 
went for refreshments.  Had seen Jeff Ceparski and Tim Grady and 
maybe one or two others cruising below while on the lawn, but
couldn't really go rushing down to say hey.  But Dave Levy did come
up(down?) and say hi while we were hanging out on the lawn. 
  After getting some food, we headed down into the seats where 
we all had tickets, if not in the same area.  I think we got snagged
by the same 60 year old woman someone else had mentioned.  Right
at the bottom of ailse between sections 5 & 6, right?  I could
see her giving us the eye as we walked into this empty ailse.  Luckily
Barb and John were supposed to be in that section, but a few rows
back.  So we just moved a few rows back.  Luckily they didn't
check mine, as I was supposed to be over in 7.

And the music?  Hey, I loved it.  Lord knows I can't play any of it myself,
so I appreciate it when other people do it!  I even enjoyed 
Alvin Younblood Hart, whom I have now figured out, is probably not
related to Mickey.  The hardest part may have been getting a good
handle on just what the Mint Juleps were singing.  But that percussion
stuff worked for me.  Kept thinking Weir might come out during Fire
on the Mountain, but otherwise, having heard a tape somewhere of
Mickey doing this years ago, his singing did not surprise me.
A good day with beautiful weather.  Even got out of the GW lot
without much delay.

When I finally got to relate things to Amy she was going "Hot Tuna was there?
Los Lobos was there?  I didn't know that.  Now I wish I had gone!"
Uhhmmmm, I thought I'd mentioned them!  Oh well.  Next time...

PeterT

	(i still love Bobby)

    I liked it, GW is a very nice Venue, compared to RFK, Merriweather, 
    USAir (old Cap Centere), Philly etc.. It was not the Dead, but it was
    entertaining, Hornsby letting people up on stage, and taking
    written requests are a nice touch, a vey good value for the money.
    Non stop action from 4pm until 11:00pm (15 minute intermission)
    
    I got to go with Jollimore, and company it was fun. I did not
    like security not allowing dancing, up to the last minute.
    Seemed veParking lot scene had not changed, mellow
    security. A real fun time.  I would do it again, in a heart beat.
    

    re;
    I did not
        like security not allowing dancing, up to the last minute.
    
    WHAT!!!???!!!  there's a law against dancing at GW?? my ass would been
    in the paddy wagon first song!
    
    rfb

I wish I had read all of these replies before going down to Great Woods
yesterday (and I still haven't caught up), but there just wasn't enough
time since getting back to work Monday...because I really would have
liked to met some of you good folks...but I had a blast anyhow!

The acoustic Hot Tuna was a treat, and Hornsby was great, but it
was Mystery Box that sent chills down my spine...incredible!

Coming home I was accused of having the contact munchies, as I wanted
to stop for a snack as soon as we hit the road...

Dan

    
    	I saw a bunch of folks, also, and just missed many more...
    
    	I thought Mystery Box was interesting..It was cool to see Mickey
    getting to hit whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted to...He had enough
    drummers there to allow him to do what he does best - color the rhythm.
    He always was the percussionist....
    
    	I went with high hopes for Los Lobos, and they delievered, and
    then some! I thought they stole the show.
    
    	I got into my section, and found some seats close to the soundboard,
    and sat down. 10 minutes into the Tuna set, Bruce Mandaro sits down
    beside me, in his real seat...Pretty Cool....Had a great time!
    
    

    
         What's the significance, if any, behind "4:20"??? I saw many 
    teeshirts with it on them.......I also saw one that said, "4:19"
    on the front and on the back was "Got a minute?".
    
    Allenhead
    

    4:20  calif penal code for "joint in progress".....4:19...Got one??
    
    rfb

    For some reason I thought there was some biblical connection to it,
    ie, John 4:20, but yeah, from what I understand it's just a reference
    to pot.  
    I don't know if anyone has been watching Letterman lately. They were
    out in San Fran a month or two ago, and being the palce that it
    is, they went out and found a hippy to hang out with for an afternnon.
    Well, Manny the Hippy has become a fixture on Late Night, and he's
    now reviewing movies with the ratings going from Diggity Dank (awesome)
    to  Schwag (it sucked). The other night, Manny reviewed 
    "Independence Day" and after giving it a Diggitiy Dank, said 
    he had to go off to do a 4:20.  Dave was not clued in ;-)
    
    Manny also said that he had met Vince Welnick, and got to play his
    harmonica with Vince in some tribute to Jerry.  Ah, the life of
    a professional hippy ;-)
    
    
    PeterT
    

    
         Thanks for the clarafication on that rfb. Somehow I was 
    associating 4:20 as the early morning hour of Jerry's passing....
    what a concept for a shirt.....just the time on it.....the time
    that changed people's lives (not just deadheads).....ya' know....
    kinda like 7:05am December 7th, 1941, the time the attack on
    Pearl Harbor started???
    
         Excuse me while I open mouth and insert foot......
    
    
    Allenhead
    

	Speaking of Letterman did anybody catch the Monks (not the Monkees)
	last nite?   They performed some martial arts/yoga type exhibition.
	pretty dang diggidy-dank  8-)


	Toby  

At Old Orchard Beach, Ratdog's drummer's bass drum had "WEEDY" taped on
it in big 6" high letters with masking tape.  Not all too sure about the
last letter "Y", I think it was a "Y".  At Greatwoods, it definitly said
"WEED".  So, whats all this about?  An in-house joke or nickname for the
drummer, or was it following some sort of time-honored rock tradition and
actually a message from the band to the audience about a lack of a certain
substance? :-)

 - Josh

    I went to the New Jersey show and would have to say that Ratdog sucked.
    The band desperately needs a lead guitar player,the piano player is a
    one trick pony and mathew kelly aint no great harp player.We couldnt
    even sit through the whole set ,not worth it to get stuck in the exit.
    It took us 3 hours to get to the show and i only live a half hour away
    I,ve seen weir/wasserman a number of times and they were always better
    than this.A
    

>  It was cool to see Mickey getting to hit whatever he wanted,
>  whenever he wanted to...

Speaking of which, what was that tallish thing behind Mickey, which
sort of sounded like amplified chimes...tubular bells?  He alternately
wacked it, massaged it, and pressed on it, and it seemed to have a
bit of lag between the touching of it and the notes coming out.

Perhaps *it* is the Mystery Box?  :-)

Dan

    The Beam!
    
    He had it standing up instead of mounted horizontally.
    
    	dave
    

    re:.199
    
    no offense...but if ya can't run with the ratdogs, stay home on the
    couch.
    
    rfb

    Well, being of sound mind and body, I took a well needed break from
    work for the rest of last week after the Further show.  So this check
    in is a bit late.  I've read through all the replies and pretty much
    agree; it was a grate time, better than I wuz expecting even.
    
    re dancing ladies (for those who showed up late), about an hour before
    showtime there were four rather Prankster'ish drummers parading around
    the grounds.  These guys had some stamina!  At some point they were
    joined by three scantily clad ladies dressed sort of like peacocks
    and the entourage rhumba'd toward the stage, where they put on another
    good 20 minutes of dancing and drumming to open the show.  It was like
    being transported to Mardi Gras; very 'Nawlins, very cool.  Found out
    later this was "Samba Nova".
    
    Tuna opened with a good rockin set; they got into a fairly heavy,
    psychedelic jam towards the end.  Los Lobos also did a strong set, but
    I have to say that more than anything their version of Bertha mostly just
    made me miss Jerry.  I've heard Jerry soar so many times on that tune,
    especially when that first lead break kicks in.  For me, the guitarist
    just didn't cut it.
    
    Never saw Hornsby live before and it was a treat.  What a band!
    
    I was most anticipating Mickey Hart's set, and it didn't let me down.
    The sound of the Juleps and that massive rhythm section was absolutely
    *HUGE* live.  I loved what they did to the first tune on the record;
    there it's almost Madonna'ish, but at GW they slowed it down and did
    a much more soulful version.  I didn't even recognize it first.
    I wish this set had been about twice as long.
    
    I wasn't expecting much from Ratdog, perhaps due to some of the things
    I've read in here.  So with my lowered expectations, they were a
    pleasant surprise.  I thought the pianist, Johnny Johnson, made the
    band.  Someone previously said they thought he was underutilized;
    from the point of solos that's true, but I don't think that was his
    job.  He just layed out this marvelous pillow for everyone to climb on;
    a guy like that makes everyone else in the band sound good.
    
    I thought the "Playin" jam at the end approached something very close
    to a true Dead vibe; wish they had gone "Further" with it.
    
    The walk back to my car through the vending scene was truly an
    adventure.  The lot was very dark, lit mostly by candles and small
    lights, faces bathed in shadow, figures darting in and out of view;
    like stealing through Marrakesh at midnight.
    
    Next morning I found a small business card under my wiper, with
    the following printed on it:
    
    		www.lsd25.com
    
    Anyone else get one?
    
    /rick
    

    
    ok.
    
    Ratboy seems to need an overhaul.  I'd like to hear some
    suggestions.
    
    I have to agree with the previous note that Playin at G.W. was 
    top notch...so I'd recommend the following line-up taking
    some of the current Further Fest performers and mixing them 
    around a little....
    
    Bob (Ratboy) Weir (rythm guitar)
    Bruce Hornsby (grand piano)                      
    The current Drummer (whoever that is)
    Mickey Hart (percussion and othe weird things)
    Jorma (lead guitar) 
    Rob Wasserman (bass)
    Mint Juleps (vocals - to help on vocals for Jerry's songs)
    (special addition) - Clarence Clemmons (Tenor Sax)

yep, i got one of those lsd cards too... haven't checked out the page yet
though...

as for ratdog, no, i wouldn't say they *sucked*...  but they certainly weren't
the highlight of the day either...  i agree that another guitar player woould
help...  Bobby does a nice job with the vocals and the rythm, but as a lead
player he's not as strong as we've become accustomed to... 

the biggest problem i have with listening to Bobby is NOT listening
to Jerry....  still...  it's ok for what it is...  but i also think that it's Bobby's
name, and not the bands innate talent, that get's him the "star" spot
on the bill...  (and this is NOT intended as a slam...  just a-callin' 'em as
i hear 'em...)

				da ve

Deano, you nbeat me in with your reply!  :^)

i don't think Ratdog needs Hornsby...  and i don't think
his style would be as compatible...  same goes for Mickey...

i agree Jorma would make a great addition on leads...

reading your suggestions it almost sounds like you want
to resurrect the Dead... :^)  Mick and Bruce would be a
big step in that direction, and it's pretty clear that Bobby's 
working in a bluesier (and cheesier :^) vein than before...

i think a decent lead player would enhance Ratdog considerably...
otherwise, let's let Bobby do his thing for a while and see what happens...

			da ve

    It seems a lot of people have been thinking about ways to
    redo the Ratdog configuration;-). Here are a couple of ideas
    that popped up in discussions over the weekend.
    
    The first suggestion was to have Bob bail out on Ratdog and join Hot
    Tuna. Bobby could easily replace Mike Falzarano as he's a much better
    singer and rhythm player. Jorma and Bobby have the same musical roots,
    so it would be a perfect fit, considering they've covered some of the
    same material over the years (Walking Blues, I Know You Rider, Death
    Don't Have No Mercy come to mind). They're both comfortable with
    electric and acoustic shows, too. Now, if they could find Will Scarlet
    to play harp for em...;-)
    
    The other idea would be to resurrect the electric Kingfish from the
    mid 1970s. That band cooked! We were playing a King Biscuit CD of a
    Kingfish show over the weekend, and they rocked! 
    
    More than anything, Weir needs to either bring back some other material
    or start writing again. He's been mining the same group of songs with
    Weir/Wasserman or Ratdog for almost five years now with no real new
    material other than "Eternity" and "Easy Answers" and the new acoustic
    tune he did Thursday night.

	a few thoughts:

	Ratdog was Bobby's side project before the Dead came to an end.
	my personal opinion is that not having a lead guitar is by
	design - he wants to highlight -his- talent.  Sometimes it
	was pretty hard to pick him out of the Dead's mix.  Not so
	with Ratdog.

	he has said over and over (but of course he says many things
	that don't pan out) that Ratdog is not a Dead cover band.
	Take it (or leave it) for what it is.

	he may not be ready to play all the time with another lead 
	guitarist - yet.  I've read where he said that he hears Jerry
	all the time when he's playing (really, how could he not, after
	all those years)...maybe he just figures we all can too ;-)

	if he picked up right now with a permanent lead guitarist, then
	we would hear the inevitable comparisons...I kinda like this
	route for this first year...it's a good way to transition to 
	whatever is ahead.

	Debess

    
    just back from vacation including Hartford and GW shows.  
                                    
    I enoyed the shows immensely.    Nice line-ups of bands and pretty
    cool crowds.  The scene in Hartford was pretty much a free-for-all.
    Very little security and a huge vending scene.  I thought this show was
    much stronger with better jamming and more cross band participation. 
    
    I don't like GW very much.  The roving security gangs and the
    accompanying strangeness makes for an uneasy feeling.  I still had fun
    though.  I parked my truck and noticed PeterK parked in front of me. We
    had grate seats - Thanks Pete!  
    
    Nayway, an enjoyable time was had.
    
    	Mark
    

Furthur Set Lists


Sunday July 7, 1996
Meadows Music Theatre, Hartford CT

Hot Tuna:
Walking Blues
Hestitation Blues
99 Year Blues
Embryonic Journey
Hit Single #1
Ode To Billy Dean
Just My Way
Junkies on Angel Dust

Los Lobos:

Bruce Hornsby:
Hot House->
Samson and Delilah tease
Goin Down The Road
Western Skyline->
Don't Do It (snippet)->
Life Is A Carnival (snippet)->
Western Skyline
Mandolin Rain->That Would Be Something (snippet)->
Brokedown Palace (snippet)
Carry The Water
*Samson And Delilah!!!
The Valley Road
*=with Bob Weir on guitar and vocals

Warren Zevon acoustic:
Lawyers Guns and Money
...
Excitable Boy

Mickey Hart's Mystery Box:
...
*#Fire On The Mountain
&Down The Road
Only The Strange Remain
Sandman
Drums
*=Bob on guitar, #=Jack Casady on 2nd bass, &=Bruce on accordian

Hot Tuna (acoustic):
I Am The Light Of This World
Let Us Get Together
Keep Your Lamps Trimmed
That'll Never Happen No More
S.F. Bay Blues

Ratdog:
Good Morning Little Schoolgirl->
KC Moan
City Girls
Eternity
Big Boss Man (sung by Kelly)
Tanqueray (sung by Johnson)
It's All Over Now
&Looks Like Rain
The Winners->
Easy To Slip->
Supplication tease->
Easy To Slip->
Bass Solo (Amazing Grace, St.Stephen)->
Easy Answers
Encores:
Johnny B. Goode : (Cesar Rojas (g) + Hornsby's Horns + Steve Berlin)
Little Wing : (Cesar Rojas (g/v) + David Hildago (v/g) + Hronsby (p) 
+ Pete Sears (acc.) + Jack Casady (b))
Werewolves Of London : (Hornsby (acc.) + Warren Zevon (p/v) + 
Hornsby's horns + Michael Falzarone ( hot tuna)(g) + 
MHMB's bass player)
Knockin' On Heaven's Door : (Pete Sears (acc.) + Hornsby (p) + 
Wasserman (b) + Kelly (h) + Weir (g/v) + Hart?)
Not Fade Away : (Hornsby (p) + Cassady (b) + Jorma (g) + Hildago (g) 
+ Weir (g/v) + Hornsby's horns + Steve Berlin (sax) + Hart ) 

Monday July 8, 1996
The Ballpark at Old Orchard Beach ME

Hot Tuna:
Keep Your Lamps Trimmed And Burning
Walkin' Blues
99 Year Blues
Ice Age
Hit Single #1
Ode To Billy Dean
Just My Way
Come Back Baby

Los Lobos:
I Walk Alone
Evangeline
Revolution
?
Cinnamon Girl
Say Goodnight And Go Home
San Antone
Ojos De Pancho
Mas y Mas
Bertha

Bruce Hornsby:
?
Tango King
Jam (sounded like the middle of "Estimated Prophet," but in 9 instead of 
7!)
Sugaree
Pastures Of Plenty>
Footprints
Iko Iko>
Rainbow's Cadillac>
White Wheeled Limousine>
Nardis>
White Wheeled Limousine

Mickey Hart's Mystery Box:
Oh Mama
Full Steam Ahead
Next Step
Where Love Goes>
Percussion>
Where Love Goes
Look Away
Down The Road
Fire On The Mountain
Sandman>
Percussion>
Sandman

Ratdog:
Walkin' Blues
Take Me To The River
Fever
Kansas City (Johnnie Johnson, lead vocal)
I Know You Rider
K.C. Moan
When I Paint My Masterpiece*
Wang Dang Doodle
Victim Or The Crime
Bass Solo (Not Fade Away/Lovelight)
Throwin' Stones
*with Michael Falzarano, guitar; Pete Sears, accordion.
Around And Around
Bobby - Gtr, voc
Johnnie - Keys
Jay - drums
Cesar - guitar
Rob - Bass
Victor - drums
Downtown Horns
Sunshine Of Your Love
David H. - Gtr, lead voc
Bobby - Gtr, voc
Cesar - Gtr
Mickey - drms
John Molo - drms
Jack - Bass
Susie Q ->
Born On The Bayou
Cesar - Gtr, lead vocal on Susie
David - Gtr, lead vocal on Born
Bobby - Gtr
Mickey - Drums
Jack - Bass
Pete - keys
(I think Hot Tuna's drummer too, maybe?)
Promised Land
Bobby, Gtr, Lead Voc
Jorma - Gtr
Mickey - Dms
Dave Garibaldi - dms
? - bass (Hornsby's bassist, maybe?)
Downtown Horns

Subj: Tuna/Lobos lists @ Great Woods, MA 7/10/96

Hot Tuna @ Great Woods, MA 7/10/96
1. Walkin' Blues
2. Keep your Lamps Trimmed
3. 99 Year Blues
4. Ice Age
5. Hit Single #1
6. AK-47
7. Funky #7
8. Parchman Farm (on one cybertent list, but not the other)

Los Lobos - 
1. Wolf
2. Don't Worry Baby 
3. Dream in Blue
4. Evangeline
5. Revolution
6. Manny's Bone's
7. I walk alone
8. Kiko
9. San Antone
10. Bertha

    Regarding reconfiguring Ratdog: I agree that the original Kingfish was
    the best non-Dead thing Weir has done. Why? Because he was surrounded
    by some excellent musicians that included a lead guitar player. I'll
    have to check my first album, but I think he had Dave Nelson or Torbert
    from New Riders, maybe David Frieberg (or someone of similar caliber) 
    on keyboard, and Robbie Hottentot (sp?) on guitar. The guitarist was
    really sensational but was soon busted for pot and did time I believe.
    Never knew what happened to him after that.
    
    But I digress. The point is that Weir's best non-Dead band included a hot
    lead guitarist who wasn't Jerry. 
    
    I also agree that we should give him some slack during the transition
    but I still think it's fair to say that he could do better than Ratdog.
    
    - Bob

    Went to Liberty State Park for the festival last week.  By far it was
    the most beautiful setting for a show.  (Almost made up for the 2 hours
    it took to get into the parking lot!  This included having the highway
    blocked off, a cop screaming at us to "get back in the car" when we
    asked for further directions, getting re-directed through the slums 
    of Jersey City, ditching our car in the Liberty Science Ctr parking lot 
    (best move of the day), fighting with the ticket takers to get our food in,
    etc, etc)
    
    Nothing like staring at the Statue's butt all day on one side of the
    park, with the Verrazano Bridge on the other side.  Beautiful weather,
    low humidity, surrounded by good friends.  After dark the twinkling
    lights of lower Manhatten was magical! 
    
    Up until Ratdog got on stage and proceeded to collectively bring down
    the heads of the 25K people there, the show was great.  I even thought
    Mickey's Mystery Box had moments!  After being pleasantly surprised in
    SPAC about how good Ratdog was, to say the least they were most
    disappointing at Liberty State Park.  Nothing like starting off with 5
    slow songs! (and not great ones at that).
    
    After considering how horrid it was to get to the site, we bagged the
    rest of the show, opting to "beat the crowd".  And, guess what!  The
    Jersey cops were setting up a DWI check point at the parking lot exit! 
    No comment!
    
    Bought the Furthur Festival CD.  Nice compliation of the bands.
    
    Yes, Weir needs a lead guitarist - how about Steve Kimmock from Zero?
    
    I was very happy to be back in a Dead atmosphere.  It's not the same,
    but, having all these bands I like in one place had its moments. 
    Though I feel if they do this next year, they should cut down on the
    number of bands and give the remaining 4 or 5 bands more time on stage. 
    I definitly wanted more Tuna and Hornsby!
    
    Just my 2 cents...
    
    Fredda                                

    
    >Bought the Furthur Festival CD.  Nice compliation of the bands.
    
        I didn't knwo they had one.  What's on it?
    	

The Furthur Festival - 1996


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Grateful Dead Records is releasing a CD of music 
performed by Furthur Festival bands.
Release Date: (Pending) 
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SPIDER FINGERS
Bruce Hornsby
BERTHA
Los Lobos
FIRE ON THE MOUNTAIN
Mickey Hart's Mystery Box
I NEED A MIRACLE
Ratdog
KEEP ON TRUCKIN'
Hot Tuna
WHEN THE BEATLES HIT AMERICA
John Wesley Harding
JACK STRAW
Bruce Hornsby (with Bob Weir)
KNOCKIN' ON HEAVEN'S DOOR
Ratdog
AMAZING GRACE
Rob Wasserman

    man, Jersey SUCKS! What is it with that state!!!!

    <---------------
    
    you said it not me
    :^)

                   Thank You! For a real good time!!!
    
    Wasn't nothin like the Dead, but still a hoot! Our Furthur in-tour-rage
    arrived in the lot after noon, so there wasn't a lot of time to shop
    and party, although we managed to squeeze both in befor hitting
    Fiddlers Green inside. Some new t-shirts for this winter, one with a
    cool small Jerry embroderd on the left side front on the T, a Further
    Fest T with Calvin, Hobbes, Pooh and Tigger, and a bunch of new bumper
    stickers. Patty got two beautiful hippie dresses. People in the lot, as
    usual were cool. We saw and met up with everyone we knew...sorta a small
    scene outside the venue, but it was goooooood to see the tribes again!
    All sorts of crazies, as we all know. 
    
    Inside Fiddlers it was probably 100 degrees. We met a couple of friends 
    in the shade area and somehow managed to snag a WAITER! and have about
    8 Fat Tires delivered to us. I sucked 'em down like water. Tuna came
    on and kicked ass! The place was rockin with bodies with smiles for
    miles! Hornsby did his thing, which I enjoyed until Jack Straw. Don't
    get me wrong...i liked the tune and danced with the best and rest or
    'em, but at the end, Patty had to use my T-shirt to wipe the tears off
    of my face. During the song I was instantly transported back to The
    first time in Vegas, opener was JS /w Hornsby, and Man...talk about
    instant awareness that Jerry WASN'T there this time....it took me a
    little while to recover. 
    
    John Wesly Harding had Jorma come out and they did a short 
    Jack-a-Roe, which was cool. 
    
    Acoustic Tuna before Mystery BOX.
    Mystery Box was HOT! Patty some how weaseled
    us down to the front, right next to the sound board, and we danced our
    asses off! The Sound People had Security clear the aisles a couple of
    times, but we were havin such a ball dancin, they (the sound
    people, don't know who they were, i assume old dead sound guys)
    just smiled at us and left us alone. We throughly enjoyed MB.
    After Mystery Box, I had a momentary lapse of my synapse's and lost
    Patty for awhile...don't ask...once we found each other again, we were
    able to enjoy Ratdog, she had been able to see most of Ratdog from our 
    grate MB seats that the sound people let us use.. What a lite show! 
    Although tight, I really didn't get into them until the "encores" when 
    Los Lobos guitar players joined for Little Wing, One More SAturday Nite! 
    (which sent the place into a frenzy!), and Knockin. After Knockin, 
    it was time to wipe the eyes again.  
    
    THe Lot was the same ole fun time again, just like the old days, and
    helped "bring back that feeling" and get rid of the blues again.
    Security made it's last sweep with Denver's Finest at 11;00 PM. right
    on time. We watched one hell of a lightening show from Denver all the
    way back to The Springs, missing most of the downpour that hit there. 
    A few beers at my house with the crew, and i fell down. 
    
    Some funny highlights...the waiter and the Fat Tires, holding the
    walk-in cooler door open for a worker when he had his arms full and then
    standing in the 0 degree cooler for about 20 minutes just to cool
    down, shoulda seen the looks on peoples faces when the door opened and
    we come walking out of zero into 100 degrees, cool as cucumbers!,,if for 
    only a few minutes...too bad I couldn't talk the guy into selling me 
    one of the 20 lb bags of ice...i tried. 
    The little girl security was about to drag off when Patty and I grabed 
    her and said "she's with us"...she had this huge butterfly tat that 
    covered most of her back that "flew" when she danced in front of us....
    good thing Patty is an understanding woman (she thought it was cool too). 
    Realizing that *I* was the one that was lost all the time i was looking 
    for Patty whom I thought was lost. 
    Listening to Hoot when we got home trying to convince me we should head 
    to Park City Utah the next day and catch tonites show..."It's 
    gettin better!, it's really gettin better!" Hoot thought Denver was 
    better than Hartford. We were supposed to leave yesterday at 4pm...%^)
    I wish we had...i'd do it all over again.
    
    rfb
    

Date:    Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:07:13 -0400
From:    Dave Lerner <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Jorma and the Undead

Speaking of Jorma and the Dead:


Last night's attendees of the Furthur Festival at Shoreline were treated to
an exceptionally special treat when half way through Mickey's set he
introduced an old friend (everyone saying 'okay,  hi Bob') "You all
remember Phil don't you?"  and the place went nuts!!!!!  The only possible
louder crowd response would of been if Garcia himself had risen from the
grave!!!!!!!  People miss Phil alot.  Everytime they projected his image on
the screens there would be this ROOOOAAAARRRR from the crowd. So Mickey's
Mystery gig, Bob, Phil, Bruce, all roar into a "Fire" (surprise, surprise)
with Phil taking a fat bass solo where the Jerry would of been.  And he was
not done yet.  Mr. Lesh returns during Bobby's gig, along with everyone
possible for a smoking Truckin'---> Other One with Phil dropping the killer
bomb to bring them all fully into Other.  I could not even make out all who
were on the stage at that time but for sure Jorma because he was jammin in
a big way, Bruce Hornsby, Mickey on drums, David Hidalgo of LL, and get
this the biggest surprise of the evening, fucking Sammy Hagar!!!!  So Sammy
Hagar and Jorma Kauckonen jammin Jerry licks.  It rocked!!!  I may be
missing others.  But it was a great treat!!!  I don't think I have ever
seen Phil more animated, like getting in people's faces, jammin all hard,
and acting like a rock star instead instead of just kind of hanging like he
did in the day.  It was very apparent he was very fired up!!!

Other highlights:  Bobby joining Bruces band for a great Jack Straw.  Bruce
joining Bob for a nice Cassidy.

Jorma could be the man for the job if all the former members ever try to
put things back together.

    The wheel is turning and you can't slow down..
    cause I CAN'T DRIVE 55"
    

> I CAN'T DRIVE 55"

Yikes!  Earworm alert!    

    
    Go Phil Go!  
    
    I can just picture that HUGE smile plastered on Debess'
    face!  
    
    Cool.

    ya know., I somehow KNEW this was gonna happen!!
    
    re; 
        I can just picture that HUGE smile plastered on Debess'
        face!
    
    and the tears in the eyes of not only Debess, but of *many*!!!!!
    
    
    I WANNA TAPE!!!!!!!!
    
    rfb

  Tape indeed.
  

  About Hagar...  He mighta been there for some between-groups fun -- I hear
  David Lee Roth has rejoined Van Halen.  (My younger son is a big Van Halen
  fan so I get periodic updates...)    JayC.

JayC-
tell yer son i saw VH in '82 and '84 ... back in the *real* VH
days!
:-)

> tell yer son i saw VH in '82 and '84 ... back in the *real* VH
> days!

  Btw, I played him the album 1984 and he likes it.  I've been trying to
  find the video for "Jump" to show him, so he'll have some clue who Roth
  is...  - JayC.

fwiw, Hagar & Jerry were neighbors.

where are the tapes? :-)

jeff

	just thought I'd ask - anyone get ahold of a Shoreline tape?
	I'd be very interested...

I saw this offer in r.m.gd, and know lots? of you went to this show
and may be interested:


From: "Derek A. Beaulieu" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: great woods further fest OFFER!

hey now!
i just received from a tree offered on AOL a DAUD/1 copy of the entire
great woods further fest (hot tuna electric, john wesly harding, alvin &
the youngbloods, los lobos, bruce hornsby, mystery box, hot tuna acoustic,
rat dog). this is a GORGEOUS copy (with a known gen and source - i can tel
you what kind of source mics and dat deck if thats important) and i'm
offering it to anyone whos
interested. i'll have to insist on blanks and postage tho (that would be 4
90 minute tapes and around $4 cash, no stamps as i live in canada). please
let me know if yr interested. i'll take all comers.
peace to you
derek

    Hey now,
    
    Derek must be my cousin!   8-)
    
    
    Toby

    Furthur 1997, according to GDTS-TOO is RAtdog, Balck Crowes, Micky
    (doesn't say Mystery Box) Bruce and Band, and moe. with more to be
    announced. 
    
    A friend of mine went to Albequeque last nite to see tonites RAtdog
    SHow....will be real interested to hear what he has to say...
    
    rfb

    JEff Lester says the hotline says Micky and Planet Drum...
    also says rumoured dates so far are, June 19 Florida, June 21 Atlanta's
    LAkewood Amp., July 8 Ontario Canada's Molson Amp (BURP!)
    
    rfb