Conference rdvax::grateful

    ALLLRIGHT!!!
    two days of debauchery and sins of the flesh to look forward to at 
    Lake Carmi!!!!
    

    
    Yes, I'm looking forward to seeing what the "lake Carmi Crew" has in
    store for us this year!
    
    Where in the Globe was this reported????

    in the arts/films section deane'o..little blurb in the music section
    saying there was some serious talk going on..

    Read somewhere (the globe??) that the Town of Highgate is opposing the
    show(s) this summer.  Something about the high school graduation being
    the same week.  Hope they can work things out.  I was looking forward
    to it...
    

    Most of the town (ie; businesses) is FOR the shows, so are most of the
    Kids...however the school board finds this to be a MAJOR disruption at
    the end of the school year and they want to flex their muscles (plus
    they probably HATE the fact that the kids really wanna see the Dead
    rather than graduate...*;').  It's small town politics at it's best.
    
    There are petitions floating around to change the graduation date...this
    is what i gleaned from the Burlington Newpaper...it's still open for
    discussion and discussing they are doing.

for a town of 2000k, I say have graduation between sets and let the seniors 
in free. HOw many kids can it be?

    grate idea Jeff.... "and our guest speaker, Jerry Garcia"  the most
    memorable graduation in town history

Heard that Highgate School board moved the graduation date one week to 
accomodate the June 15th date.

excellent news for this morning...
bob

ok, anyone call Lake Carmi yet?

    
    carmi; yea, no answer...must open apr,may??? 

    RE: .8
    never underestimate a vermonter for recognizing a good deal! 
    
    

    
    
    
    
     I heard that rumor, too!  June 9th or som'n????
    
    
    please
    

    
    
    Lake Carmi's taking reservations today...give em a call at 802-879-5674
    
    Don

    >> Lake Carmi's taking reservations today...give em a call at
    >> 802-879-5674
    
    Does anyone remember how much it was per campsite last year?  When you
    are making reservations, do you have to give them any $$ upfront?

    
    tent sites are 12 per nite up to 4 people...no money upfront,,they'll
    send you a bill w/ x amount of days to pay...
    
    sounds like things may be a little tighter this year at the campground.
    
    they'll be sending tickets w/ your confirmation for your limit of people
    at your site that you turn in for wristbands upon arrival...
    
    we'll see,
    Don 

June 15th?

    	Yeah they're trying to keep a little better track of what's
    happening up there this year. Apparently sites are going fast so call
    them as soon as you can. Almost all the leantos are gone!
    	The guy on the phone said they were doing wristbands because when
    they tried to give each car a tag people could simply drive back and
    forth with different people and "sneak" 'em in for free - this way
    every person is accounted for not every car.
    	We booked for 6/14 & 6/15 - figger we'll wanna get up there the day
    before to avoid the traffic jam! The guy taking res. is really cool -
    1st thing he said when I told him the dates I wanted to reserve for was
    "Lemme guess - you're coming up to see the Dead" so they know we're on
    our way for the 2nd annual Carmi bash!!
                                           

    yes it is june 15th
    site 29 for the kid....
    former residence of one Jolly Jaymore Esq.

>    former residence of one Jolly Jaymore Esq.

	:-)  and again this year too.
	fine work!!

    Yikes, I'm not sure if I'll be in town or not...(guess where else)...I
    may have to depend on squeezing in with someone else if I go this
    time... 
    
    tim
    

    RE:may have to depend on squeezing in with someone else 
                             ^^^^^^^
    thought that's what you did last time...%^)<-----BIG!!!!
    rfb

    rfb, you dog. ;-)
    

Hi,

I got a Real Important Question.  Suppose I call now and reserve my spot
at Lake Carmi CG.  Then, in June, I decide not to go to the show since my
S.O. can't take the time off (stoopid, right???).  Can I transfer the
reservation to someone else?

thx, Josh

    Josh -
    	I don't see why you wouldn't be able to change the name on the
    reservation. Ask them when you call - the guy answering the phone is
    really cool - I'm sure he'll let you know.

    Real Easy Answer
    Tell your SO to hit the high road, go to the show and then crawl back
    on your hands and knees begging for their forgiveness and ask them to
    take you back.
    
    actually from what the reservation ranger said, whomever has the
    wristbands on their wrists can come and go as they please regardless
    of whether the campsite is in their name or not...whoever's name it is
    in tho will get a bill 2 weeks after the res is made

*&^&*%%&*^$&(*^&($^*%$ER(^&^(*#$#%^W%$&#@#
&*^^&($%@#%^(**_)()$^%&$!@&^%T)(&*&%^$%^*$%^*#$$@$$)*(
(*^^%@#%$^&%&&(*)&^()%@#^%&T&I)**()&U*&%^YHUKY%T)*

just called the # given a coupla notes ago.
Got a machine, they take reservations only on Tuesdays and on Thursdays,
from 8-12, 12:30-3.

*^&)*%&*$%@$#%&^(*&+)(*^*&(%^$#&T_&Y*(&

>just called the # given a coupla notes ago.
>Got a machine, they take reservations only on Tuesdays and on Thursdays,
>from 8-12, 12:30-3.

is there any way we could coordinate this a little better this year?  last
year we were scattered all over the place, and it's a pretty big distance
(although it was a fun swim in the morning) between areas "A" and "B".  could
we at least agree on an area, and all book our campsites there?  even better
would be if someone could reserve a huge chunk of campsites, so that we could
all be in a block, but i'm not sure if the logistics could work out for that.
(any organizational volunteers?)

- rich

	I just spoke with Adam, We're try'n for anything in area A, 1-30.

	As an alternate, area A, 30-50.

	I'm gonna try to git my own site.

    i think the organization theory is pretty much shot to hell
    they had minimal spaces left last week and they were going fast 
    according to Ranger Rick
    so get em whilst the gettings good

>    tent sites are 12 per nite up to 4 people

is 4 people the max?  i think last year they let you pack up to 8 people on
a site, if you paid a little bit xtra per person.

- rich

    4 people=$12 a night
    24 for 2 days
    each additional person 4 bucks a night
    total with 8= 5 beans

    that would be 56 beans
    :^)

    by the way
    any carmi bound campers be up for the first official DEChead 
    Montreal trip  after the show????
    might as well seeing we got a long weekend..
    haven't been to Ste Catherine in awhile and need to get reacquainted
    with the scenery!!!!!!!!!
    :^)

    Chris has it right...if you get to Highgate, ya gotta get to Montreal..
    unfortunately I don't think we'll be making it this year, otherwise I'd
    love to play tour guide in Montreal...
    
    Wes

ok, so maybe it's unrealistic at this point for us to be able to get a whole
bunch of sites right next to each other.  but how about people post campsite
numbers (and areas), in this note, as they make reservations, so we can at
least try.

- rich

p.s. does anyone have a map from last year that we could input here in ASCII
form?  (or scan in and put on a web page)

    
       just be *extremly* careful crossing the border....the border patrol
     people don't seem to take a liking to VW's and tie-dyes the day after
     a dead show. last time we did buffalo and tried crossing they kicked
     us out of the country after their search dogs went spastic as they
     went through our vehicle 8^/
                                                               ^dave

    I still have my map from last year if you know how to get it scanned in
    here, rich. lemme know.
    
    							-jeff

    dave 
    you are saying canadian border patrol?
    they are the ones checking as you go into Canada aren't they?
    and Americans as you leave???
    or is it the other way around?
    i thought coming back in was always the problem

    speakin' from lotsa experience, going into Canada has never been a
    problem for me (although when they ask where I'm staying, and I give
    them my cousins address they seem impressed enough to let me go) the
    problem is coming back in

    
       we had problems going into canada....we left buffalo to check out
    niagra falls from the US side, but missed the exit and we had to cross
    the border into canada. as we passed the checkpoint my friend panicked
    and blurted out "i don't have my license with me, is that going to be
    a problem" (my jaw dropped in disbelief at his stupidity). the booth
    attendent told us to pull up to the building ahead. once there a patrol
    officer approached us, spotted some paraphenelia on the dash...had us
    exit the vehicle, lock all the doors, and hand over the keys...the dog
    was brought into the van, went spastic, and my friend turned in a
    spliff from the driver's side pouch. we then had to sit outside against
    the building for what seemed like an eternity, actually about two hours
    while my friend was "processed". turns out he had to pay about a $200.
    fine (thank god they took visa) and they kicked us out. but while i was
    sitiing outside the building i saw countless random searches, most of
    them rather thourough. it was kinda funny watching them pull out CO2
    catridges, asking what the hell they were, and listening to the heads
    say things like we like our soda freshly carbonated. 
    
                                                              ^dave

thanks to jeff ceparski for letting me borrow his lake carmi info.  i scanned
in both a map and a text description.  they're available in
ROCK::U1$:[FROMM.HIGHGATE]

Directory U1$:[FROMM.HIGHGATE]

LC_MAP.EPS;1            4104  10-APR-1995 17:34:48.00  [EV5,FROMM]          
(RWD,RWED,RE,RE)
LC_MAP.TIF;1            1998  10-APR-1995 17:34:04.00  [EV5,FROMM]          
(RWD,RWED,RE,RE)
LC_TXT.EPS;1            4104  10-APR-1995 17:43:22.00  [EV5,FROMM]          
(RWD,RWED,RE,RE)
LC_TXT.TIF;1            1998  10-APR-1995 17:42:46.00  [EV5,FROMM]          
(RWD,RWED,RE,RE)

Total of 4 files, 12204 blocks.

for some reason .GIF didn't work.  the .EPS files look great.  printing them
out, the map is almost as good as the original, and the text looks even better
than the original!  the .TIF files are just so-so, a little hard to read on
the screen (using XV).

maybe i'll put them on a web page if i get around to it.

- rich

i got 2 lean-to sites, Mulberry and Sumac, in area B.
i believe jeff ceparski said he had Chestnut and Walnut,
also in area B.

some more info:

you can be flexible on the number of people up until the
time that you pay.  once you pay, they send you the
specified number of tickets, and there's no room to add
any more.

they're letting in a max of 2000 people into the campground
(i think that's the number he said).  after the sites are
full, they'll put people in overflow, until they hit the
max.

the guy on the phone was extremely nice.

- rich

>	i can't copy the postscript files ....
>	
>FTSV Job 8761 (FTSV_8761) finished at 08:30:25
>COPY ROCK::U1$:[FROMM.HIGHGATE]*.EPS USR09:[JOLLIMORE]*.*
>%SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node

try again now and let me know if it works.

- rich

    I get the same error.
    
    ...mike
    

	rich (not jeff ;-)
	
	tried again. same error.
	
	?
	
	Jay

    
    Hummm, bad day to try to get ahold of Lake Carmi....friggin
    line is jammed. 
    
    Is all this on the internet or something???  
    
    Gonna hafta set up some high-tech sh!t

    
    HAHA!!!!
    
    Nothing like modern technology!!!!

Yeah, I can't get through to Lake Carmi either.
Rich, I can't copy your files.

NOKNOK> di ROCK::U1$:[FROMM.HIGHGATE]
%DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening ROCK::U1$:[FROMM.HIGHGATE]*.*;* as input
-RMS-E-FND, ACP file or directory lookup failed
-SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node

NOKNOK> mcr ncp sho node rock
Node Volatile Summary as of 11-APR-1995 09:44:46

    Node           State      Active  Delay   Circuit     Next node
                              Links

 6.70 (ROCK)                                  ISA-0         5.1023 (RTR52)


NOKNOK> mcr ncp tell anchor sho node rock
Node Volatile Summary as of 11-APR-1995 09:44:59

    Node           State      Active  Delay   Circuit     Next node
                              Links

 6.70 (ROCK)                                  BNA-0        55.10 (ESCNGR)


Josh

I know there's other campgrounds in the Highgate area, but my Vermont Altas is
at home.  I'll scope out one at the Maynard Paper Store at lunch - but
does anyone know of other CG's ?

Josh

I just got through and got a tent site at Lake Carmi.  Yippie!

 Josh

    I can't get through to Lake Carmi, either :( 
    
    If anyone gets through, can you reserve one extra tent site for me?  I can 
    give you the $$$ today. 
    
    I'm still going to keep trying, but I am really busy today
    
    Thanks :-),
    :), danielle
    
    BINKLY::DEMARSE
    DTN 225-6385

    
    Danielle, keep on rippin the redial, constantly for about 15 
    minutes....you'll get through. 

    I finally got through to Lake Carmi!  :-)
    
    I reserved one extra tent site for anyone in here that cannot get
    through.  This extra site is reserved for two days, June 14th and 
    June 15th. Just send me mail at BINKLY::DEMARSE.  First come, first serve.
    
    :), danielle

    
       took me about 10 min. to get through at 8:45am. the dood said low
    A's were filled but he'd try and get me in in the upper A's...won't
    know fer sure until the confirmation comes in the mail. btw there's
    a two nite minimum. 
                                                        ^dave

    anyone hear the bill/booking of campfire entertainment this year?
    can last year be topped?

    
    chris, you are to much.. ;-)
    
    last years entertainment went south..

    
    You mean Droll and company will not be making a special appearance?????
    

    
    only drool will be missing.. things could change tho.

    the riff-raff you associate with Mitchell will surely surprise us....
    i can't wait......
    Does Lake Carmi have a naturalist area?
    PeterT?

    
     I just got through and got a site reserved all though
     I didn't find out where in Lake Carmi it is.  
    
     Now for tickets ...
    
     Sloan

re: lake carmi ps files

i think it may not be possible for me to set up anything on ROCK to be
world readable.

i mailed the files to jeff maggard, and we'll see if people can access them
from his area.

- rich

When I got up this morning I tried to call Carmi but I constantly got a busy
signal.  The busy signal came pretty quick after I dialed the last digit,
leading me to believe that the Boston->VT path might be seriously bogged down.

As soon as I got into work, I dialed Carmi and I got through on the first try! 
I bet Littleton->VT takes a different path (or maybe it was just luck!)

Anyway, I got sites 70 and 71.  They're nestled in a corner of section A.  They
are just a few steps from the 1-30 area, so I'm happy.  I forgot to ask him how
filled up they were, but they're definitely out of sites 1-30.  They actually
had a lean-to available, but it's only suitable for 1 tent under the roof and
one on the outside, so it's not for me.

Everyone, append your site numbers to this list!

************************************
* DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
************************************

Adam	70, 71

Everyone, append your site numbers to this list!

************************************
* DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
************************************

Adam	70, 71, section A
JCmon	56, section A

>    Does Lake Carmi have a naturalist area?
>    PeterT?

Oh man, people are going to be starting strange rumours about
me now.  I don't know.  Didn't make it to Carmi last year,
naked or not ;-)

PeterT

    Everyone, append your site numbers to this list!
    
    ************************************
    * DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
    ************************************
    
    Adam      70, 71, section A
    JCmon     56, section A
    Danielle  44, 45, section A     

try here instead for the postscript files:

Directory SUBPAC::DISK$SUB_USER2:[MAGGARD.PUBLIC]

LC_MAP.EPS;1            4104  11-APR-1995 11:34:51.00       [220,156]        (RW
ED,RWED,RE,RE)
LC_TXT.EPS;1            4104  11-APR-1995 11:36:38.00       [220,156]        (RW
ED,RWED,RE,RE)

Total of 2 files, 8208 blocks.

              <<< Note 446.67 by BINKLY::DEMARSE "Enjoy being" >>>

    Everyone, append your site numbers to this list!
    
    ************************************
    * DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
    ************************************
    
    Adam      70, 71, section A
    JCmon     56, section A
    Danielle  44, 45, section A     
    Rich Fromm Mulberry, Sumac, section B

Re: campfire girls (?) and other entertainment...

Danielle, weren't you the only DEChead witness to last years' Lake
Carmi Bonfire and Adult entertainment extravaganza? ;-)

I'm probably not going, but I'll lend you my video camera if you
like...;-)


tim

I'll leave the .EPS files in my public directory for a few days (mebbe a week,
but then I'll haveta delete'm to get back the 8200 blocks of disk space.  If
someone with world read privs can put 'em up somewhere else, please do so and
lemme know...

Once again, the files are:

SUBPAC::DISK$SUB_USER2:[MAGGARD.PUBLIC]LC_MAP.EPS;1
SUBPAC::DISK$SUB_USER2:[MAGGARD.PUBLIC]LC_TXT.EPS;1


- jeff_doing_builds_and_
  quickly_approaching_his_
  150k-block_limit!

    >>  Note 446.70 by NAC::TRAMP::GRADY 
    >>
    >> Re: campfire girls (?) and other entertainment...
    >> 
    >> Danielle, weren't you the only DEChead witness to last years' Lake
    >> Carmi Bonfire and Adult entertainment extravaganza? ;-)
    >>
    >> I'm probably not going, but I'll lend you my video camera if you
    >> like...;-)
    
    Ah, yes, I was witness...I brought my youngest sister (13 yrs old) to 
    expose her to her first dead show...she ended up being exposed to MUCH
    more than that!  :-0
    
    Jaime:  "Oh my god, they are naked!"
    Me:     "AH!  Jaime, get over here!"
    Jaime: "WHat are they doooo - EWWW!"
    
    (sigh....I left that campfire with a very sick feeling in my stomach)
    
    /d                                                         

    needless to say danielle you were rather shaken when you came by 
    site 10.....

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
              <<< Note 446.67 by BINKLY::DEMARSE "Enjoy being" >>>

    Everyone, append your site numbers to this list!
    
    ************************************
    * DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
    ************************************
    
    Adam         70, 71, section A
    JCmon        56, section A
    Danielle     44, 45, section A     
    Rich Fromm   Mulberry, Sumac, section B
    Debess etal  54 Section A

    Everyone, append your site numbers to this list!
    
    ************************************
    * DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
    ************************************
    
    Adam          70, 71, section A
    JCmon         56, section A
    Danielle      44, 45, section A     
    Rich Fromm    Mulberry, Sumac, section B
    Debess etal   54 Section A
    Chris LeBlanc 29, section A  

        Everyone, append your site numbers to this list!
    
        ************************************
        * DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
        ************************************
    
        Adam          70, 71, section A
        JCmon         56, section A
        Danielle      44, 45, section A
        Rich Fromm    Mulberry, Sumac, section B
        Debess etal   54 Section A
        Chris LeBlanc 29, section A
        J. Ceparski   Walnut, Section B

    
    
            Everyone, append your site numbers to this list!
    
            ************************************
            * DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
            ************************************
    
            Adam          70, 71, section A
            JCmon         56, section A
            Danielle      44, 45, section A
            Rich Fromm    Mulberry, Sumac, section B
            Debess etal   54 Section A
            Chris LeBlanc 29, section A
            J. Ceparski   Walnut, Section B
    	    Sloan&co.     47, section A
    
    
    
    
    
    

    
           Everyone, append your site numbers to this list!
    
                ************************************
                * DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
                ************************************
    
                Adam          70, 71, section A
                JCmon         56, section A
                Danielle      44, 45, section A
                Rich Fromm    Mulberry, Sumac, section B
                Debess etal   54 Section A
                Chris LeBlanc 29, section A
                J. Ceparski   Walnut, Section B
                Sloan&co.     47, section A
                Don M.        Chestnut,Section B
         
    

    
           Everyone, append your site numbers to this list!
    
                ************************************
                * DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
                ************************************
    
                Adam          70, 71, section A
                JCmon         56, section A
                Danielle      44, 45, section A
                Rich Fromm    Mulberry, Sumac, section B
                Debess etal   54 Section A
                Chris LeBlanc 29, section A
                J. Ceparski   Walnut, Section B
                Sloan&co.     47, section A
                Don M.        Chestnut,Section B
                Steve-O       32, 34 section A
    

    i'm moving my site if martin is around the corner
    if that whining runt of yours keeps us up in 29, you can bet
    security will be paying you a visit....

    
    I'll be somewhere in section A.  They didn't tell me which one yet.
    
    What are all you'ze guys doin in section B???? You'll need a passport
    to get to the bonfire area!!!

    Yeah
    you'll have to go thru customs just to see nekkid sex acts!

    
              Everyone, append your site numbers to this list
                    ************************************
                    * DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
                    ************************************
    
                    Adam          70, 71, section A
                    JCmon         56, section A
                    Danielle      44, 45, section A
                    Rich Fromm    Mulberry, Sumac, section B
                    Debess etal   54 Section A
                    Chris LeBlanc 29, section A
                    J. Ceparski   Walnut, Section B
                    Sloan&co.     47, section A
                    Don M.        Chestnut,Section B
                    Steve-O       32, 34 section A
                    Dorothy P.    Tamarack,section B

    
                  Everyone, append your site numbers to this list
                        ************************************
                        * DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
                        ************************************
    
                        Adam          70, 71, section A
                        JCmon         56, section A
                        Danielle      44, 45, section A
                        Rich Fromm    Mulberry, Sumac, section B
                        Debess etal   54 Section A
                        Chris LeBlanc 29, section A
                        J. Ceparski   Walnut, Section B
                        Sloan&co.     47, section A
                        Don M.        Chestnut,Section B
                        Steve-O       32, 34 section A
                        Dorothy P.    Tamarack,section B
    			Deane'o	      39, section A

    
                  Everyone, append your site numbers to this list
                        ************************************
                        * DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
                        ************************************
    
                        Adam           70, 71, section A
                        JCmon          56, section A
                        Danielle       44, 45, section A
                        Carol&John     Got one of Danielle's.
			Rich Fromm     Mulberry, Sumac, section B
                        Debess et al   54 Section A
                        Chris LeBlanc  29, section A
                        J. Ceparski    Walnut, Section B
                        Sloan&co.      47, section A
                        Don M.         Chestnut,Section B
                        Steve-O        32, 34 section A
                        Dorothy P.     Tamarack,section B
    			Deane'o	       39, section A

	SECTION A RULEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ



<

    
    what the hell - local outlets only ?  5/6?  did we find that 
    one could get tix in white River jct. ???
    
    

    
    and yahhhhhoooo - I just got my tax refund ... Jerry_gawds smile down
    on meeeeeee - multiple tickets here we come
    
    

>    what the hell - local outlets only ?  5/6?  did we find that 
>    one could get tix in white River jct. ???
    
i wouldn't worry.  last year "local outlets" meant all of new england, i think.
and tickets were easy to come by.  right before showtime, it was tough to even
give away an xtra for free, let alone sell it.

- rich

    well ok then....now how much for highgate - don't see it listed
    
     

    
    
    Nice to know it's official. :-)
    As for ticket availability:      What Rich said.
    
    
    
    And speaking of May 6th, PhisH tickets go on sale that day too.
    

re    <<< Note 446.89 by ROCK::FROMM "This space intentionally left blank." >>>

>i wouldn't worry.  last year "local outlets" meant all of new england, i think.
>and tickets were easy to come by.  right before showtime, it was tough to even
>give away an xtra for free, let alone sell it.

yeahbut, that was last year when highgate was an unknown entity.  it is now
known.... and it has an excellent reputation based on my non-scientific
survey.  so, i'd be willing to bet that tix will be a bit hahder to come
by and more people will be there. 

>yeahbut, that was last year when highgate was an unknown entity. 
	
	not only that, but last year highgate was announced after summer
	tour went on sale. lots of folks mailed for giants, or rfk, etc..
	and skipped highgate for $$ reasons.

    
                  Everyone, append your site numbers to this list
                        ************************************
                        * DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
                        ************************************

       Section A                                 Section B
       ---------                                 ---------

       29 - Chris Leblanc                        Mulberry - Rich Fromm
       32 - Steve-O                              Sumac    - Rich From
       34 - Steve-O                              Walnut   - J. Ceparski
       35 - ^dave i.                             Chesnut  - Don M.
       39 - Deane'o                              Tamarack - Dorothy P.
       44 - Danielle   -\
       45 - Carol&John -/ (or vice versa)
       47 - Sloan&co.
       54 - Debess et al
       56 - JCmon
       70 - Adam
       71 - Adam

    anybody else get their tickets yet from Ranger Cady??
    from what the mailer said they are going to tone things down big time
    maybe not as many people in the overflow lot either

	I got some stuff from Carmi, havn't had a chance to look at it...probably
	won't for a little while.  Didn't even have a chance to file taxes today....
	oh well, F^ck the gov't.  Chemistry is more important!

	Now, was that the spin quantum number or the magnetic number I was 	
	pondering (this really sucks!)
	

    > Now, was that the spin quantum number or the magnetic number I was
    > pondering

    Quantum physics is irrelevant.

    You will be assimilated.


    - Jeffucious_of_Borg
	

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       Section A                                 Section B
       ---------                                 ---------

       29 - Chris Leblanc                        Mulberry - Rich Fromm
       32 - Steve-O                              Sumac    - Rich From
       34 - Steve-O                              Walnut   - J. Ceparski
       35 - ^dave i.                             Chesnut  - Don M.
       39 - Deane'o                              Tamarack - Dorothy P.
       40 - Josh  (hi Neighbor Deane'o!)
       44 - Danielle   -\
       45 - Carol&John -/ (or vice versa)
       47 - Sloan&co.
       54 - Debess et al
       56 - JCmon
       70 - Adam
       71 - Adam

I found my Lake Carmi CG map from last year, while cleaning out my car doors
over the weekend!

>    Quantum physics is irrelevant.
>
>    You will be assimilated.


	You aren't serious are you?????  All that work Einstein and Planck
	did???  Irrelevant???  And I have a 35pt exam on it tomorrow!!!! 

	Arghh!!
	

    
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       Section A                                 Section B
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       29 - Chris Leblanc                        Mulberry - Rich Fromm
       32 - Steve-O                              Sumac    - Rich From
       34 - Steve-O                              Walnut   - J. Ceparski
       35 - ^dave i.                             Chesnut  - Don M.
       39 - Deane'o                              Tamarack - Dorothy P.
       40 - Josh  (hi Neighbor Deane'o!)
       41 - Peter Kibling
       44 - Danielle   -\
       45 - Carol&John -/ (or vice versa)
       47 - Sloan&co.
       54 - Debess et al
       56 - JCmon
       70 - Adam
       71 - Adam

I found my Lake Carmi CG map from last year, while cleaning out my car doors
over the weekend!

    Smokey the Bear says
    "Area A is *WAY* cooler than Area B"
    
    :^)             

	I'd say Carmi or Albany is an ideal opportunity for a 
	DEChead/Not-at-Dechead reunion.

	attached is a note from Scott Wentzell....


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for the FAX of critical information - it was grate to see that good
ole grateful notes header!  Please say hi  to all my old friends in grateful
(better yet, post this message).  Don't know if I'll make Highgate or not at
this point, I certainly hope I can work it out.  If not, maybe Albany or at
least Boston in the fall.

I was glad you and JC came up for Reggae, it was a weekend to remember.  How
about a DEChead camping trip up this way this summer.  Forget the overcrowed
Whites, Maine is where its at!!!  8^)

Thanks again for the info - I miss grateful!

Later,
Scott

I wouldn't mind bagging the bigelow range this summer w/ Mr. Wentz...
rahafari

I'll toss this in here since there's no other "summer 95" note...

Does anyone else besides me think that Albany is a BAD idea from a logistics 
point of view?

I think it will be the last time the Dead play there.  I mean they
have enough problems w/ a small(ish) crowd in the Fall or spring.  Get
a full fledged summer tour stop there with a 2 day stop at Giants just
before and there is a huge potential for people to just mill around and
party too long in one place...

Maybe it won't happen - I was just wondering what other folks think about
it....

I dunno if that's what'd happen but I just thought I'd ask...
bob

    bob -
    	regarding Albany stop this summer - same type of thing happened in
    '92. The boys popped in for 2 nights (6/11 & 6/12) in between Rich and
    Giants maybe and things went pretty smoothly. Hopefully with big venues
    like Highgate, giants and RFK things in Albany will stay cool.
    
    							-jeff

    I agree whole heartedly with you on that one bob..jolly jay and 
    discussed the same thing...
    last reports from albany showed that there were twice as many people 
    outside as there were inside the show...
    but summer of 92 when they did spring and summer wasn't as bad as i
    expected it to be...
    the cops there are tolerant..actually voted best on tour one year (91?)
    :^)

    
    
    w/ albany in between giants and rfk..maybe folks won't take the treck north
    to albany w/o tix...
    
    
    
    
     

    Has anyone called recently and found out if Lake Karma campground is full?
    some late bloomers want to book there and i told them it didn't look
    promising..                                                   

    so when you are sending payment fo rthe campsire .. who are you making
    the check out to?  Mr Cady ?  Lake CARmi?  
    
    ehh?
      

    carol,
    
    make check to; state of vermont.

well, mail order is away for Albany.
2 for each night.

i hope albany doesn't shun the dead in the future.
albany is a cool place for a show or 2. or 3

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       Section A                                 Section B
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       29 - Chris Leblanc                        Mulberry - Rich Fromm
       32 - Steve-O                              Sumac    - Scott Spielman
       34 - Steve-O                              Walnut   - J. Ceparski
       35 - ^dave i.                             Chesnut  - Don M.
       39 - Deane'o                              Tamarack - Dorothy P.
       40 - Josh  (hi Neighbor Deane'o!)
       41 - Peter Kibling
       44 - Danielle   -\
       45 - Carol&John -/ (or vice versa)
       47 - Sloan&co.
       54 - Debess et al
       56 - JCmon
       62 - Mike Charnoky
       70 - Adam
       71 - Adam

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       Section A                                 Section B
       ---------                                 ---------
       29 - Chris Leblanc                        Mulberry - Rich Fromm
       32 - Steve-O                              Sumac    - Scott Spielman
       34 - Steve-O                              Walnut   - J. Ceparski
       35 - ^dave i.                             Chesnut  - Don M.
       39 - Deane'o                              Tamarack - Dorothy P.
       40 - Josh  (hi Neighbor Deane'o!)
       41 - Peter Kibling
       44 - Danielle   
       45 - Carol&John 
       47 - Sloan&co.
       54 - Debess et al
       56 - JCmon
       62 - Mike Charnoky
       70 - Adam
       71 - Adam

    When do the boyz play? Afternoon? Evening? Will I want to stay over
    (camping is no option since all my campgear is in New Mexico)? Are there
    hotels near? How? Who? When? Where? Why? (OH... I know the answer th
    THAT one...)
    
    ...mike_full_of_questions

    
    Plenty o' hotels in Burlington VT.  ~ 1/2 hour away. 
    
    The boyz play in the evening til about 10:30/11:00.

    if you are feeling real quaint and NE like
    stay at a B&B
    otherwise i am sure you can find a spot with someone at lake carmi
    just be prepared
    us easterners are real asses at shows..at least that is what all the
    west coast heads say

Or you could do like I did last year and park on the main drag (the locals were
charging 15-20 bucks to park in open fields overnight) and just crash in
your car.  Of course it helped that I had the station wagon and could fold the
seats down.  This might not be a viable option for you, but it worked ok for
me last year.  Though I had kind of intended to hit Lake Carmi...

PeterT

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       29 - Chris Leblanc                        Chestnut - Don M.
       32 - Steve-O                              Tamarack - Dorothy P.
       34 - Steve-O                              Walnut   - J. Ceparski
       35 - ^dave i.                             
       39 - Deane'o                              
       40 - Josh  (hi Neighbor Deane'o!)
       41 - Peter Kibling
       44 - Danielle   
       45 - Carol&John 
       47 - Sloan&co.
       54 - Debess et al
       56 - JCmon
       62 - Mike Charnoky
       70 - Adam
       71 - Adam
    Birch - Rich Fromm
   Cherry - Scott Spielman

    
    my buddy tall bill just reserved 2 sites at Carmi for the show and
    he was told they are only allowing 2 tents and 2 cars per site...
    DON'T see that happening..
    
    if they are limitng people at the gate what is the purpose of crowd
    control inthe campground?

>    my buddy tall bill just reserved 2 sites at Carmi for the show and
>    he was told they are only allowing 2 tents and 2 cars per site...

i think last year they had talked about the 2 car/site limit as well, hoping
to move the rest of the cars to overflow.  don't think they ever did anything
to enforce it.

2 tents/site is a somewhat ridiculous, arbitrary, unrealistic number if you're
accepting reservations for up to 8 people per site.  i don't know of too many
people with 4 person tents.

- rich

    I talked with the guy from Lake Carmi this morning.  Apparently, they 
    have a 2,000 person limit for the campground.  When you send your money 
    in (right now), they are giving you first dibs on having more than 4 people
    /site.
    
    I guess that on the day we go to Lake Carmi (June 14th) they are going 
    to allow people into the overflow lots.  Once 2,000 is reached (between
    reservations and overflow) , no more unreserved people will be allowed into
    the campground, even if you only reserved 4 people on your site and bring a 
    fifth because your cousin Rasta just flew in from southern California.
    Your cousin Rasta must be let out of the car at the front gates and
    will not be allowed into the campground.
    
    Basically, he discouraged waiting until June 14th to bring any unreserved 
    people.
     
   /d

	got my tickets. i'm "reserved"  ;-)

    cousin Rasta...I love it

    you ain't staying nowheres
    i've printed up a  whole batch of counterfeit lake carmi tickets and i am 
    selling them for 4 bucks apiece..
    oneof which i gave you..
    :^)

>    Your cousin Rasta must be let out of the car at the front gates and
>    will not be allowed into the campground.

now, we certainly wouldn't want to leave cousin rasta out of the festivities,
would we?  ;^)

    if cousin rasta is bringing what he is supposed to be bringing from da
    islands mon he's coming in the trunk of someone's car!
    

    
    My cousin Rasta is in jail.... ;-/

gee, I thought Cousin Rasta was in da plastic 35 MM film cans....

    ...and here I thot that cuz Rasta was in some 
    faraway land sowin some wild oats...

Due to a disk space crunch, the following files are gonna get wiped tomorrow:

    DISK$SUB_USER2:[MAGGARD.PUBLIC]LC_MAP.EPS;1
    DISK$SUB_USER2:[MAGGARD.PUBLIC]LC_TXT.EPS;1

Get 'em while U can!


- jeff

    
    I recently spoke with Mr Ranger at Lake Carmi.
    
    If you happened to have sent your payment a little later than the 
    prescribed due date, no need to worry.  He said he won't be able 
    to get to the payment part for a while yet.

    a big plus for those of us who left it til yesterday right Dean? 
    
    
    

    
    Hey cool. I've been trying to get through all morning. So many
        details to attend to... reminds me of Alice in Wonderland, "To
        stay in one place run as fast as you can, to get somewhere run
        twice as fast".          
    [End of buffer]
    

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       29 - Chris Leblanc                        Chestnut - Don M.
       32 - Steve-O                              Tamarack - Dorothy P.
       34 - Steve-O                              Walnut   - J. Ceparski
       35 - ^dave i.                             
       39 - Deane'o                              
       40 - Josh  (hi Neighbor Deane'o!)
       41 - Peter Kibling
       44 - Danielle   
       45 - Carol&John 
       47 - Sloan&co.
       54 - Debess et al
       56 - JCmon
       62 - Mike Charnoky
       70 - Adam
       71 - Adam
    Birch - Rich Fromm
   Cherry - Scott Spielman
      100 - Jeff Strobel

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       Section A                                 Section B
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       29 - Chris Leblanc                        Chestnut - Don M.
       32 - Steve-O                              Tamarack - Dorothy P.
       34 - Steve-O                              Walnut   - J. Ceparski
       35 - ^dave i.                             
       39 - Deane'o                              
       40 - Josh  (hi Neighbor Deane'o!)
       41 - Peter Kibling
       44 - Danielle   
       45 - Carol&John 
       47 - Sloan&co.
       54 - Debess et al
       56 - JCmon
       62 - Mike Charnoky
       70 - Adam
       71 - Adam
    Birch - Rich Fromm
   Cherry - Scott Spielman
      100 - Jeff Strobel
      106 - Hap and Co.

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       Section A                                 Section B
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       29 - Chris Leblanc                        Chestnut - Don M.
       32 - Steve-O                              Tamarack - Dorothy P.
       34 - Steve-O                              Walnut   - J. Ceparski
       35 - ^dave i.                             100 - Jeff Strobel
       39 - Deane'o                              106 - Hap and Co. 
       40 - Josh  (hi Neighbor Deane'o!)
       41 - Peter Kibling
       44 - Danielle   
       45 - Carol&John 
       47 - Sloan&co.
       54 - Debess et al
       56 - JCmon
       62 - Mike Charnoky
       70 - Adam
       71 - Adam
    Birch - Rich Fromm
   Cherry - Scott Spielman
      

    Yeah!!!
    keep that riff raff in area b/Canada
    where it belongs!!

    >>Yeah!!!
    >>keep that riff raff in area b/Canada
    >>where it belongs!!
    
    area B's where it's at and you know it Chris!
    
    I think you're just jealous ;^)

    any one in here have RAnger Tom's mail address ?  Debess needs it  
    and I don't have it any more.  Send to EDSDS6::Grabazs  if you come
    across it
    
    thanks
    

Debess is back at DEC?

    
    EDS does work for DEC .. somehow they have a regular node there.
    
    Cath

    Thomas Cady, Regional Ranger Supervisor
    Department of Forests, Parks and Recreation
    111 West Street 
    Essex Junction, VT 05452
    (802)879-5674

    
    someone asked about tickets
    my buddy called on sat to get the low down from the ticketshaft in
    manch nh..
    they said they may NOT be carrying them and that ticketblast may not
    even be carrying them as a whole??
    kinda like PSNH letting someone else furnish the electricity for the
    state????  
    confusing scenario

	i heard that tickets were not going to be necessary.
	anyone who wants to go just has to show up.
	

	:-p
	

	
	;-)  ;-)  ;-)

    

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       29 - Chris Leblanc                        Chestnut - Don M.
       32 - Steve-O /DaveB                       Tamarack - Dorothy P.
       34 - Steve-O                              Walnut   - J. Ceparski
       35 - ^dave i.                             100 - Jeff Strobel
       39 - Deane'o                              106 - Hap and Co. 
       40 - Josh  (hi Neighbor Deane'o!)         Mulberry- Linda Montplasir & Co
       41 - Peter Kibling
       44 - Danielle   
       45 - Carol&John 
       47 - Sloan&co.
       54 - Debess et al
       56 - JCmon
       62 - Mike Charnoky
       70 - Adam
       71 - Adam
    Birch - Rich Fromm
   Cherry - Scott Spielman
      

    
    Any one have phone# where I can get tickets for this show? Lookin' for
    4
    tickets. Right against the stage  ;+}
    
    
    sean.
    
    

    ticket sale date is this saturday, the sixth...  i'm still waiting to
    hear on when wristbands will be handed out...
    
    right against the stage eh?  have fun...  :^)  since it's GA there's
    only going to be about 65000 others who want your space...  the crush
    up there put Rochelle in the first aid tent last year from heat and
    dehydration...
    
    					da ve_who_likes_the_view_from_
    					near_the_sound_board :^)

    ridin the rail can be dangerous...I know some that do it religiously at
    GA shows, though..Vegas, Calif shows, etc....
    
    rfb_who likes the back dancewalk

	i gotta have room to move!   :-)

    I know what The Boyz look like. I usually get a nice seat pretty much
    as far as I can get away from the crowd, settle in, and let the vibes
    come rollin' in...
    
    ...michael t. "Let the Good Times Roll"Head
    (If I could say that in French I'd be Cajun!)

    here is a feeble attempt
    Laissez Les Bon Temps Rouler!!!!!

    I just got off the phone with Coconuts in South Nashua and they will
    NOT be giving out wristbands there.....line up for sat at 9am...
    better break out a sleeping bag
    THIS SUCKS!

    do y'all think that tix will be hard to get ??  I would think not,
    based on so many tix flying around the day of the show, and the venue,
    size, Gen adm etc...
    
    WO

    it's hard telling...  what was cake once may not be cake twice you
    know?  last year i was one of the folks who couldn't give away an 
    extra, but that's a very unusual situation...  no one knew wht to
    expect with highgate last year...  turned out to be a real good
    experience for almost eeryone...  that fact alone could bring everyone
    out of the woodwork this time...
    
    better safe than sorry...  plan on a crush...  then if you get one you
    are prepared...  if you don't it's that much nicer... :^)
    
    				da ve
    

    Where are the ticket outlets in the Nashua/Manchester area?
    
    ...mike who ain't never bought a tix for a Deadshow back East
    

    what da ve said...
    when everyone got home and told of how "they couldn't give away
    extras" they re-affirmed the miracle ticket theory at Dead shows..
    maybe all the Phish heads will be diverted away from buying dead tickets
    when they are forced yo buy one or the other..
    could help
    will hurt

    MTD
    Coconuts in Nash Vegas
    Manchester-Elm Street Records
    Salem-Spinout records

    thenkew... mikey
    

Filene's (Peasant Lane Malled, Nashua & other locales) is also a ticket 
mustard site. Don't think they open until 10 but with GA the goals just to 
get tickets and there might be fewer folks there than at Coconuts.

jeff

    actually senor strobel has the right idea
    Drugger went there last year and walked right into the store as the
    mall opened..not one person in sight walked..walked back in and bought
    more

I'd try the phone number too, though I guess there's a Phish conflict?
If it sells out before you can get through, I'd be surprised.

PeterT

I've been seeing more and more portable phones on line at ticketshafter.

I'm concerned about the Phish conflict.  They can't be flippin back and
forth on the computer from buying one venue then another.

Dead fans are older than Phish fans - I say we take over! :-)

adam

    I know this isn't the note for it, but thought Phish fans might see it
    here....Glennnnn Ingalls is lookin for a tix to the Phish shows at red
    rocks the 9th OR 10th. If any ya'll that have access to the phishnet
    see a tix for sale *please* let me, CLOSUS::BARNES, know for him...
    
    thanks from Glennn and me in advance
    
    
    rfb

    AHEM!
    Phish comments belong in th TV Note rfb 
    you digressor-person
    :^)

    seee i knew someone would see the request!!!
    
    %^)
    
    rfb

    Just need the phone# to tickmaster/ticketron...?   Pls pls pls...
    
    Will be calling from Ottawa, Ontario....ie: Canada
    
    just kidding about being close to the stage ;=}
    
    did that once in Buffalo, not again....was ok until everyone sat down
    between sets!
    
    and stretched out!
    
    
    sean.
    

re:                      <<< Note 446.166 by OTOOA::REILLY >>>
>                        -< Have tickets will travel... >-
>
>    Just need the phone# to tickmaster/ticketron...?   Pls pls pls...
>    
>    Will be calling from Ottawa, Ontario....ie: Canada

Look what I found!

CN  Ottawa: (613) 755-1111
CN  Toronto: (416) 870-8000
CN  Vancouver: (604) 280-4444

other numbers that may help in "the pinch":
ME  Maine: (207) 775-3331
NH  Durham: (603)626-5000
NY  Binghamton: (607) 722-7272
NY  Buffalo (Prime Seats): (716) 847-1688
NY  Albany : (518) 476-1000
NY  Binghamton: (607) 722-7272
NY  Buffalo: (716) 852-5000
NY  Rochester: (716) 232-1900
NY  Syracuse: (315) 472-0700
VT  Burlington: (802) 862-5300

good luck (bon chance?),

adam

    Thanks, that helps BIG-TIME
    
    ....see ya there....
    
    
    I'll be the one with the Tie-Die
    
    :+}
    
    

has anyone actually confirmed that Phish and Dead tickets go on sale at the
same time?  if, for instance, Dead tix go on sale @ 9 am, and Phish tix
a.k.a. Phish sticks :^) go on sale @ 10 am, i don't think it will be much of
a problem.

- rich

    dead tickets go on sale at 9 am in nashua
    phish tickets "  "  "    "  10 am "     "
    
    Phisheads will be wristbanded
    deadheads will not
    
    personally i see 1 loooooooong line forming and potential for chaos....

    According to what I hear, Phish wristbands become available
    Thursday at 3 p.m. and Dead wristbands are available Friday
    at 10 a.m.

    
    What ?  wristband for dead tix after ALL?   
    
    

    just read in the Globe today that yes Highgate wristbands will be given
    out on Friday at 10AM.  65,000 tickets will be sold.

re  <<< Note 446.162 by NETCAD::SIEGEL "The revolution wil not be televised" >>>

>I'm concerned about the Phish conflict.  They can't be flippin back and
>forth on the computer from buying one venue then another.

adam, what do you think they have? a PDP-8 running interpretive basic
to a teletype?  :-) :-)


as for tickets. i say tough ticket this year.
remember: highgate was announced afters ummer tour
began, right? and, like da ve said, it was an unknown
entity then.  now, it is known.  i predict a mass
crowd.  100k.

From:   CRL::"[email protected]" "MAIL-11 Daemon"
To:     Multiple recipients of list BOSTON-M <[email protected]>
CC:
Subj:   Highgate ticket lottery

According to today's Boston Globe:
Tickets to the 6/15 concert in Highgate, VT will go on sale Saturday
by lottery.  Would-be buyers for the 65,000 tickets must first get
a numbered wristband from a ticket outlet at *10 AM Friday*.  The
wristband guarentees a chance in the Saturday drawing to determine
who will be first in line at each outlet when tickets go on sale.


take care,

ejs

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	is it possible to get MOSS if you don't mail order?  ;-)
	
	wristbands, no_wristbands, lottery, lines, crowds 
	i'm sooo stressed out!  ;-)  ;-)  ;-)

    seems 65k is ALOT less than what was in attendance last year
    
    run for the hills.....

	I even heard it advertised on ZLX last night. I don't think I remember 
hearing any advertisements for last year's show. 

    actually, 65000 is what i recall as the number of tickets sold last
    year...  of course, one or two more may have shown up...  i mean, it's
    been known to happen... :^)
    
    					da ve

    
    Anyone know what the limit is????
    
    Shouldn't be too tough....65K will take a good 2-3 hours to fullfill.
    (given that the limit is 4 tix per person)

Here's what the radio ad said:

tix are $31 + $2 "parking fee" + a service charge anywhere from $3-$7
(depending on where you get tix).  In the VT area, tix are on sale at a
wide variety of local ticket outlets (they listed about 6 or 7).

No mention of wristbands.  I believe the Globe said wristbands are being
given out IN THE VERMONT AREA ONLY!  I called ticketmaster and they said no
wristbands around Boston.

good luck,

adam

    and the phones are open at 9?

    >> Here's what the radio ad said:
    >> 
    >> tix are $31 + $2 "parking fee" + a service charge anywhere from $3-$7
    >> (depending on where you get tix).
    
    $7 per ticket is RIDICULOUS.  If this is what ticketbastard Massachusetts 
    has as a service charge, I won't be purchasing tickets for highgate this 
    year.

    Talked w/Music Forum dood in Fitchburg, Ma. today...He didn't know the
    Shafter charge yet but said to expect about a $4 service charge.

	<-- that's where i'll be. 10am.

re:              <<< Note 446.183 by BINKLY::DEMARSE "Enjoy being" >>>

>    $7 per ticket is RIDICULOUS.  If this is what ticketbastard Massachusetts 
>    has as a service charge, I won't be purchasing tickets for highgate this 
>    year.

	I agree!  I have a real hard time buying any tickets thru TB!
	
	I wish the dead would do like Pearl Jam and refuse to distribute tix
	through TB...  like the line in "Not For You" by PJ, which I heard
	was written with TB in mind, which goes like this:

	"If you hate something, don't you do it too"

	/Ken

From:   CRL::"[email protected]" "MAIL-11 Daemon"
To:     Multiple recipients of list BOSTON-M <[email protected]>
CC:
Subj:   whoops, cancel that wristband post

In today's Boston Globe:
The Vermont Associated Press was a little overzealous in its
reports Wed that wristbands will be handed out at all TicketMaster
locations for the GD concert in Highgate, VT on 6/15.  *Not so*,
says the ticket broker.  Yes, Deadheads will be given wristbands at
the VT locations, but *nowhere else*.  Boston fans will simply have
to get in line or start calling on Saturday at 9 AM.

Sorry about that, folks.


take care,

ejs

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    Better off without wristbands!!!!  

The org (forget the name) that will be handing the Pearl Jam ticket sales 
has plans to eventually do sales over the net, fwiw

Even at $4/ticket x 65k tickets it's $260,000. I have nothing against a 
vendor making a reasonable profit (I suppose they'd are they have to give 
kickbacks to the likes of Don Law, etc. that erodes some of the $260k) but 
this is shameless. No wonder Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft, bought 
this operation, it's a gold mine

>The org (forget the name) that will be handing the Pearl Jam ticket sales 
>has plans to eventually do sales over the net, fwiw





there's help on the way.  the WSJ yesturday had a letter written in by
the prez. of another ticket selling firm.  the guy did a nice job basically
saying that ticketSHAFTER is SHAFTING everyone.  now, all they have to
do is court others to vend thru them vs. T.S.   probably the same firm that
Jeff mentioned above...

there's hope.

    thing is the new ticket firm is saving people only 45 cents a ticket
    and with ticketbastards "we are everywhere" big brother monopolistic
    approach to the ticket industry....saving 45cents a ticket for your
    fans may not be cost effective in the long run... dealing with the BS
    that arises in everyday business from some mom+pop fledgling ticket
    agency
    I see them being *forced* to return to TM because of the headaches

    bring back the daze when you saw DON LAW Presents on every ticket around
    these parts...

    might as well bring back the Nehru jacket and lava lamps

>the prez. of another ticket selling firm.  the guy did a nice job basically
>saying that ticketSHAFTER is SHAFTING everyone.  now, all they have to

hey Jc,

somehow I don't get the warm fuzzies over this...when the competition says 
bad things about the industry leader....watch who moves in....just like 
ticketmaster did when ticketron went down.

just a thought,
bob

    my concertgoing experience began when Don Law ROOLED, but the Nehru
    jackets were out by then...hmm, I think...

	FYI - 

	Remember people, bring CA$H to the outlets tomorrow!!!!

	Minor Chord in Acton is CA$H only, I assume lots of other 
	places with go along with this as well.

	With a cash only policy, probably be able to dig through
	the line, no problem.

	

    May the pagan gods and deities of Ticketshafter shine 
    for those deadicated Heads who wait in LINE!!!
    
    sacrifice a virgin tonight

    RE: bringing cash
    
    yeah if you go stand in line the ONLY take cash - credit cahds are good
    only for phone orders. good luck everybody!

I'm beginning to think my theory is correct.
Demand is very high for tickets.
I've been dialing for 90 mins, 2 phone, about 20
times/minute, no connect.  deb has also been
dialing 1 phone for the last 90 mins.  no dice.



wonder when this is  gonna sell out?

I'm on hold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



fingahs x'ed that they have not sold out yet!!!

I;m in!!!!


yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!





ticketshafter is trying to charge me 225.50 for the 6 tix when
i've calculated the total to be 213.50 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

31.00 /tik
 4.25 /tik shaft fee #1
 2.00 /order shaft fee #2


i/m on hold again..10:51am
the guy has to get a supervisor to deal... better not lose those tix!!!!!!!

re            <<< Note 446.201 by BIODTL::JC "Green is the colour" >>>

>31.00 /tik
> 4.25 /tik shaft fee #1
> 2.00 /order shaft fee #2

PLUS...

 2.00 /tik that highgate charges.

so, the total is 225.50 for 6. or 37.58 / ticket
service charges make up 17.5% of the ticket price.


outtta here!

Got to the Northboro video store at 9:50am and they had already stopped
selling Dead tix (temporarily) while they massaged their computer for Phish
tix.  Had to wait at the end of the phish line ... like 40 mins ... before
they'd sell me a single Dead ticket.   Ugh.

JC, I think all that trouble on the phone was for Phish...

       Very good ticket operation at Spinout Records in Salem, NH...
    everybody there for dead tix were in and out within a half hour and 
    we were ready and waiting in wristband order when Phish tix went on
    sale...and now I'm at work to pay for the tix ;-)......ALSO...
    from 2 totally independant sources...RUMORED opening act at Highgate:
     the Allman Bros. Band....one guy in the ticket line told us they
    annouced this on Vermont TV......we shall see...
    
                      :-) daveB

    Walked into Coconuts at 15:30 Saturday. No line. Lots of tix available.
    Plunked down $$$$. Now have tix for two shows on opposite sides of the
    country...
    ...mikey
    

    
                        ************************************
                        * DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
                        ************************************
    
       Section A                                 Section B
       ---------                                 ---------
       29 - Chris Leblanc                        Chestnut - Don M.
       32 - Steve-O /DaveB                       Tamarack - Dorothy P.
       34 - Steve-O                              Walnut   - J. Ceparski
       39 - Deane'o                              100 - Jeff Strobel
       40 - Josh  (hi Neighbor Deane'o!)         106 - Hap & Co.
       41 - Peter Kibling                        Mulberry- Linda Montplasir & Co
       44 - Danielle   
       45 - Carol&John 
       47 - Sloan&co.
       54 - Debess et al
       56 - JCmon
       62 - Mike Charnoky
       70 - Adam
       71 - Adam
    Birch - Rich Fromm
   Cherry - Scott Spielman
      

	got our tickets at the music forum, in fitchburg.
	their computer was down when we got there and we hadda wait 20
	minutes. after a hort wait they started doing phish, then got to
	us. total time about 1/2 hr. easy wait.
	

	Tix for Dead at Highgate were still on sale Sunday evening.

	There were still some Phish tix avail. on Sat night.

    
    
    Wow. Got up at 6:00 sat morning, headed for COCONUTS (Nashua), saw
    ::LEBLANC_C and crew, so I headed to Filenes, organized a line-list so
    there would be less chaos. Went well. Had tix at 9:10...went
    home figuring PHISH would be an easy score later, only to find out
    by 14:00 Saturday there were only Sandbox tix left for both shows....
    
    
    We're there, dudes

    Bob Dylan is opening in highgate!!!!! - giants - and RFK new hotline 
    message may 8

	^ ^
	0 0
	 c
	 O    Whooooa!
	
	

    and we get some lame alternative band in vegas...oh well, at least
    there won't be a bunch of geeks running around in the parking lot with
    leather jackets, motorcycle boots and no motorcycles, sunglasses and
    tryin to growl zimmy-type growls ...%^)
    
    
    rfb

                     <<< Note 446.212 by CXDOCS::BARNES >>>
>    and we get some lame alternative band in vegas...oh well, at least
>
I thought you all had the Dave Matthews Band?  No?  I wouldn't really call
them alternative, more like neo-hippy :)

I like em!
bob

    ya ya, just bein grumpy...i sorta like 'em too...only heard the tape once
    though,...they should sound pretty good from the parking lot  %^)
    
    rfb

    
    DYLAN!!!!!!!!!?!??!   AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    

    
    
    We must all begin concentrating on GRATE weather over Highgate for
    the week of the 12-17th...
    
    
    Put your orders in NOW!
    Thanks for your cooperation.

	NO rain NO rain NO rain NO rain NO rain NO rain NO rain NO rain

    I guess i'll shell out 37 scoots if Dylan is opening up
    screw the pate and chardonnay

    
    rfb, looks like a fine excuse for a trip northeast!!!!
    
    

    I'd love to! I'm still waitin for MNELSON to win the lottery..he
    promised Patty and I BG tixs when he wins....
    
    rfb

rfb:
	If I win the lottery before Highgate, I'll fly you and Patty out 
for the show (don't put in the vacation time just yet!) :-)

jeff

    Everybody go out and buy oddles of lottery tixs tonite, OK??   %^)
    
    rfb

    RFB
    you gots to sit in the garden at least ONCE before they sell it off 
    brick by brick

    well I'll go one better... when I win the lottery I'll fly you and the
    lovely Patty out here in a Learjet with a private bar!
    ...mike dreamin' big
    
    

    Oh yeah?
    when i win the lottery i will fly the boys out here, give them a limo
    to Marlboro and have them play the SIS gig at the fish and game club
    
    and i'll even have the pilot stop in CO to pick up rfb,patty, divide
    dave and the rest of the western type yahoos

    
    I sure hope dreams come true.....
    
    Divide Dave

    a request, from former DEChead GerryG...
    
    Ger and Jenn are looking for campsite space at Lake Carmi...  is there
    anyone here with room on thier site for another tent and a couple of
    happy campers?
    
    					da ve

    I've been checking into getting a camp site for the show, and it
    seems the State park camping grounds are starting to take reservations
    on May 15th (Lake Carmi,Grand Isle and North Hero). 
    
    -Glenn

    
    re: .228
    
    Glenn - check out .206 for list of folks staying at Lake Carmi.
    
    Cathy 

Gerry G. is looking for 2 carmi tickets.

send him mail if you can help.
jc

    
    Is Lake Carmi sold out. I just sent in for 1 more at my site.
    Guess I can only call on tues or thurs. right?
    
    sloan

    Do anyone have an idea of connections via public transportation
    to Highgate from New Brunswick N.J. (Bus, Amtrack etc.??
    
    Thanks
    
    Rick.

>                         -< ANY PUBLIC TRANS FROM NJ >-

somehow i have a feeling that highgate doesn't have a very extensive public
transportation network - it's a VERY small, rural town.

you could probably get to burlington (although i'm not even sure if trains
run all the way up there - you might have to take a bus), and then maybe (or
maybe not) a bus to highgate.  if i were looking for transport, i think i'd
first try to scope around the net and find someone else to give you a ride.
it would probably be faster, cheaper, and more fun.

- rich

Amtrack runs through Vermont on its Montrealer route, or at least it did before
the budget cuts.  I don't know if it stops in Burlington.  Vermont Transit has
extensive bus service in Vt.  I'm sure there's a flag stop in Swanton, and
possibly one in Enosburg Falls.

Jamie

                        ************************************
                        * DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
                        ************************************
    
       Section A                                 Arrival/Depahcha times
       ---------                                 ----------------------
       29 - Chris Leblanc                        
       32 - Steve-O /DaveB                       
       34 - Steve-O                              
       39 - Deane'o                              
       40 - Josh  (hi Neighbor Deane'o!)         
       41 - Peter Kibling                        
       44 - Danielle   
       45 - Carol&John 
       47 - Sloan&co.
       54 - Debess et al
       56 - JCmon				arr: Weds PM, Dep: Sat/Sun
       62 - Mike Charnoky
       70 - Adam
       71 - Adam
    Birch - Rich Fromm
   Cherry - Scott Spielman
      
	Section B
	---------
	Chestnut - Don M.
	Tamarack - Dorothy P.
	Walnut   - J. Ceparski
	100 - Jeff Strobel
	106 - Hap & Co.
	Mulberry- Linda Montplasir & Co

                        ************************************
                        * DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
                        ************************************
    
       Section A                                 Arrival/Depahcha times
       ---------                                 ----------------------
       29 - Chris Leblanc                        
	    Jay J & co.				Wed 6-7pm, Fri am.
       32 - Steve-O /DaveB                       
       34 - Steve-O                              
       39 - Deane'o                              
       40 - Josh  (hi Neighbor Deane'o!)         
       41 - Peter Kibling                        
       44 - Danielle   
       45 - Carol&John 
       47 - Sloan&co.
       54 - Debess et al
       56 - JCmon				arr: Weds PM, Dep: Sat/Sun
       62 - Mike Charnoky
       70 - Adam
       71 - Adam
    Birch - Rich Fromm
   Cherry - Scott Spielman
      
	Section B
	---------
	Chestnut - Don M.
	Tamarack - Dorothy P.
	Walnut   - J. Ceparski
	100 - Jeff Strobel
	106 - Hap & Co.
	Mulberry- Linda Montplasir & Co

                        ************************************
                        * DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
                        ************************************
    
       Section A                                 Arrival/Depahcha times
       ---------                                 ----------------------
       29 - Chris Leblanc                        
            Jay J & co.                         Wed 6-7pm, Fri am.
       32 - Steve-O /DaveB                       
       34 - Steve-O                              
       39 - Deane'o                              
       40 - Josh  (hi Neighbor Deane'o!)         
       41 - Peter Kibling                        
       44 - Danielle   
       45 - Carol&John 
       47 - Sloan&co.
       54 - Debess et al
       56 - JCmon                               arr: Weds PM, Dep: Sat/Sun
       62 - Mike Charnoky
       70 - Adam
       71 - Adam
    Birch - Rich Fromm
   Cherry - Scott Spielman
      
        Section B
        ---------
        Chestnut - Don M.
        Tamarack - Dorothy P.
        Walnut   - J. Ceparski
        100 - Jeff Strobel                       arr Wed PM, Dep Fri am
        106 - Hap & Co.
        Mulberry- Linda Montplasir & Co

                     ************************************
                     * DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
                     ************************************
    
    Section A                                 Arrival/Depahcha times
    ---------                                 ----------------------
    29 - Chris Leblanc
         Jay J & co.                         Wed 6-7pm, Fri am.
    2 - Steve-O /DaveB
    34 - Steve-O
    39 - Deane'o
    40 - Josh  (hi Neighbor Deane'o!)
    41 - Peter Kibling
    44 - Danielle
    45 - Carol&John
    47 - Sloan&co.
    54 - Debess et al
    56 - JCmon                               arr: Weds PM, Dep: Sat/Sun
    62 - Mike Charnoky
    70 - Adam
    71 - Adam
    Birch - Rich Fromm
    Cherry - Scott Spielman
    
    Section B
    ---------
    Chestnut - Don M.                        arr Wed 1PM, dep Fri am
    Tamarack - Dorothy P.
    Walnut   - J. Ceparski                   arr Wed 5PM, dep Fri am
    100 - Jeff Strobel                       arr Wed PM, Dep Fri am
    106 - Hap & Co.
    Mulberry- Linda Montplasir & Co
                                   

                     ************************************
                     * DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
                     ************************************
    
    Section A                                 Arrival/Depahcha times
    ---------                                 ----------------------
    29 - Chris Leblanc
         Jay J & co.                         Wed 6-7pm, Fri am.
    2 - Steve-O /DaveB
    34 - Steve-O
    39 - Deane'o
    40 - Josh  (hi Neighbor Deane'o!)
    41 - Peter Kibling
    44 - Danielle
    45 - Carol&John
    47 - Sloan&co.
    54 - Debess et al
    56 - JCmon                               arr: Weds PM, Dep: Sat/Sun
    62 - Mike Charnoky
    70 - Adam
    71 - Adam
    Birch - Rich Fromm                       arr before dark Wed PM, dep Fri AM
    Cherry - Scott Spielman
    
    Section B
    ---------
    Chestnut - Don M.                        arr Wed 1PM, dep Fri am
    Tamarack - Dorothy P.
    Walnut   - J. Ceparski                   arr Wed 5PM, dep Fri am
    100 - Jeff Strobel                       arr Wed PM, Dep Fri am
    106 - Hap & Co.
    Mulberry- Linda Montplasir & Co
                                   

                     * DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
                         ************************************
    
        Section A                                 Arrival/Depahcha times
        ---------                                 ----------------------
        29 - Chris Leblanc
             Jay J & co.                         Wed 6-7pm, Fri am.
        2 - Steve-O /DaveB
        34 - Steve-O
        39 - Deane'o
        40 - Josh  (hi Neighbor Deane'o!)
        41 - Peter Kibling
        44 - Danielle
        45 - Carol&John
        47 - Sloan&co.
        54 - Debess et al
        56 - JCmon                               arr: Weds PM, Dep: Sat/Sun
        62 - Mike Charnoky
        70 - Adam
        71 - Adam
        Birch - Rich Fromm                       arr before dark Wed PM,dep Fri AM
        Cherry - Scott Spielman
    
        Section B
        ---------
        Chestnut - Don M.                        arr Wed 1PM, dep Fri am
        Tamarack - Dorothy P.                    arr Wed PM, dep Sun
        Walnut   - J. Ceparski                   arr Wed 5PM, dep Fri am
        100 - Jeff Strobel                       arr Wed PM, Dep Fri am
        106 - Hap & Co.

                     ************************************
                     * DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
                     ************************************

    
     Section A                          Arrival/Depahcha times
     ---------                          ----------------------
     29 - Chris Leblanc
          Jay J & co.                   Wed 6-7pm, Fri am.
     32 - Steve-O /DaveB
     34 - Steve-O
     39 - Deane'o
     40 - Josh
     41 - Peter Kibling
     44 - Danielle
     45 - Carol&John
     47 - Sloan&co.
     54 - Debess et al
     56 - JCmon                         arr: Weds PM, Dep: Sat/Sun
     62 - Mike Charnoky
     70 - Adam                          arr: Wed PM, dep Fri AM
     71 - Adam                          arr: Wed PM, dep Fri AM
     Birch - Rich Fromm                 arr before dark Wed PM,dep Fri AM
     Cherry - Scott Spielman

     Section B
     ---------
     Chestnut - Don M.                  arr Wed 1PM, dep Fri am
     Tamarack - Dorothy P.              arr Wed PM, dep Sun
     Walnut   - J. Ceparski             arr Wed 5PM, dep Fri am
     100 - Jeff Strobel                 arr Wed PM, Dep Fri am
     106 - Hap & Co.

                     ************************************
                     * DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
                     ************************************

     Section A                          Arrival/Depahcha times
     ---------                          ----------------------
     29 - Chris Leblanc
          Jay J & co.                   Wed 6-7pm, Fri am.
     32 - Steve-O /DaveB                
     34 - Steve-O                       Wed PM     Fri whenconchis
     39 - Deane'o
     40 - Josh
     41 - Peter Kibling
     44 - Danielle
     45 - Carol&John
     47 - Sloan&co.
     54 - Debess et al
     56 - JCmon                         arr: Weds PM, Dep: Sat/Sun
     62 - Mike Charnoky
     70 - Adam                          arr: Wed PM, dep Fri AM
     71 - Adam                          arr: Wed PM, dep Fri AM
     Birch - Rich Fromm                 arr before dark Wed PM,dep Fri AM
     Cherry - Scott Spielman

     Section B
     ---------
     Chestnut - Don M.                  arr Wed 1PM, dep Fri am
     Tamarack - Dorothy P.              arr Wed PM, dep Sun
     Walnut   - J. Ceparski             arr Wed 5PM, dep Fri am
     100 - Jeff Strobel                 arr Wed PM, Dep Fri am
     106 - Hap & Co.

    now is there some method to the madness of entering arrival/departure
    times?
    group activities?
    swimming lessons?
    archery?
    hay ride?
    CAMPFIRE FUN?                                               
    

	shaddup and put your times in there. troublemaker!	             ;-)
	
	
	i heard this weekend that originally, ticket availability for
	highgate was 60k, and immediately increased to 65k and since has
	been increased to 75,000 available tickets.  yeowza.

    >>shaddup and put your times in there. troublemaker!                 ;-)
    
    you tell him jolly jay!! 
    
    chris - its just that if i know you're getting there around 6 or
    whatever then its safe to come by and visit jay around 9 cuz you'll be
    passed out by then! ;^);^0;^)
    
    	

    yahoo... sign me up for the ol' "campfire fun"... :^)
    
    				da ve

    Well, unfortunately I had TOO MUCH FUN in Vega$ and am paying for it
    with some necessary customer-support-type-things. June 15.
    
    So I will not be able to make the Highgatew shows, and do my
    anthropological studies of whether the east-coast 'heads are bigger
    partyers than those on the west coast. 
    
    Howsomeever, I do have a ticket. So I am putting it in play. If anybody
    needs a ticket to Highgate send Email to me.
    
    ...michael t. "Happy but sunburned red as a beet"Head

    
    
    
         Hey Now.....I'll take it!!!! I already sent out an E-mail
    to M.T.....but where's he rest his bones???
    
    
    Allenhead
    
    p.s. now to find a site......hmmmmmmm....

    Sorries already sent to Mr Delrosario... ticket is spoke for.
    
    ...michael t. "broken-foot"Head

>    Sorries already sent to Mr Delrosario... ticket is spoke for.
    
 Hey's Allen Head-

You can still buy em at TicketCrapper/Shafter/Ba*tard
....
bob
ps.  at least I was told you still could...

    At what # at ticketshafter?
    
    
    I called a few times and they said NO-GO!
    
    
    have x2 so far lookin' for 2 more!
    
    
    sean.

    have no fear...  i am hearing from a couple of different sources,
    about folks who will be having extras come open soon...
    
    as they say on tv, "film at 11"
    
    					da ve

    Great!   have x3 so far....need 1 more!
    
    
    very grateful noter
    
    

I have an extra Highgate ticket.
I'm in the Mill....

 Josh

    
    Only 2 weeks to go ..

    I have a few slots available at Carmi, if anyone's interested. Two
    sites T76 and T78.
    
    Let me know...
    
    jeff
    

I'm departing from Highgate relatively early on Friday, June 16 so I can 
beat it down the line back to Lowell, and hence to Boston, for Dylan's 7:30
show at that Harborlights Pavillion.

I simply don't remember how a long a drive it is from Lowell to Highgate!
I need to be back in Lowell at/by 4:15/4:30 PM to unpack my car, then goto my
S.O.'s place for a  quick dinner before heading into Boston.
I've never been to Harborlights, so I don't know the traffic patterns there.
I know I'll be dealing with the Central Artery southbound at rush
hour :-(

Anyone know how long it takes to drive from Highgate to Lowell?

thanks, Josh

    josh
    yer looking at a good 4 hours
    traffic can change that tho

re:        <<< Note 446.257 by QUOIN::BELKIN "one...3...5...7..8..9.10!" >>>

No help on Highgate to Lowell, but to get to Harborlights I'm pretty sure
that you have to go thru Boston, thru the So Station Tunnel, and down the
SE Expressway during rush hour. You'll make the show but it could be a long
ride (there are lots of shortcuts through South Boston though if you know em).

If I were you I'd try to get through Boston much earlier and plan on eating
somewhere near the Harborlights.  The main objective would be getting thru
the No/So Station area at a time other than rush hour (about 3:00 pm onwards).

/Ken

>Anyone know how long it takes to drive from Highgate to Lowell?

maybe you should see how long it takes to get from lowell to highgate and
calculate from there?

>    yer looking at a good 4 hours

i think it takes me about 4� hrs. from hudson to burlington.  figure another
hour from burlington to highgate.  and lowell may be about 30-45 minutes
closer to burlington than hudson.  so i'd guess 4� - 4 3/4 hours?

- rich

re -.1

tapes?  Got plenty of those.. :-)
4 or 5 hours is cool.  That means if I leave Highgate around 10 or 11 AM
I'd be in Lowell by around 3 or 4.  I expect a late night in Highgate after
the show... :-)

Ken, no way I can leave Lowell or North Andover (where my S.O lives) any 
earlier than 5 PM.  She works in Concord, N.H. and it takes her an hour to 
get home.  She's going to Dylan with me.

I thought Harborlights was on the Pier that has Jimmy's/Jimbo's restaurants - 
the pier that has that 3 lane rusty steel bridge to it.  thats north of the
South Station tunnel, I believe.  I know you don't have to go south past
Chinatown to get off the exit for that pier.
As I said, I haven't been down to that area in a while, so I don't know of
any quick/decent eating places that would be in walking distance of whereever
I'll end up parking.  I think there's a  parking lot right near the 
Harborlights but I'm not sure.  I'll try to call Harborlights.
Maybe I'll just have to pack sandwiches and eat 'em in while stuck inside of
the S.E. Expressway with the traffic blues again.

Josh

    Josh, I'd give it 5 hours, but it really should be less than that...but
    you should account for traffic and roadwork, there always seems to be
    some between Lebanon - Concord on 89...
    
    Wes

	the time it takes to get to highgate depends on a couple of
	variables, like rate and route.
	
	if you travel, for instance, at 3/5's of a mile in 10 seconds,
	and travel in a straight line, you could make it there in about
	an hour.
	
	Mr Science Guy

Josh, if Harborlights is near Jimmy's Harborside Rest (and therefore also
the World Trade Center, Pier 4, No Name Rest), then you're right, it's
north of So Station/Chinatown, which is a plus as far as traffic goes.
I think you'd take Atlantic Ave to get there.  

/Ken  

    Being at home, I just took a look at Sunday's Arts section.
    Harbor Lights in on Fan Pier, Northern Ave.  Which is right near
    the World Trade Center.
    I thinks.
    
    
    PeterT
    

ahh.. right.  I knew there was a few more restaurants there but couldn't 
remember the names.  The Noname might be doable if I can get to its doorstep 
by 6.  Maybe.  I've eaten there one, a long time ago.

I guess I'll have to load and arm the fender mounted Sidewinder missles,
and set the Photon Torpedoes to "Vaporize", to deal with the traffic....

Josh

    Maybe you can get Dylan to give you a ride and pick up the SO on the
    way... What a long strange trip it'd be...
    
    	Bill (worring about getting into HarborLights too) Burns
    

       <<< Note 446.263 by STOWOA::JOLLIMORE "Dancing Madly Backwards" >>>

>	Mr Science Guy


Ya, Mr. Science Guy!

And if you catch the Concorde Jet outta Franklin County Airport you could
be here sooner :) :) :)

bob

    
    I need to pick-up a bunch of T's while at Highgate...anyone have an
    Idea where abouts I might find bootleg T's at Highgate?
    
    

    
    just walk around...  if you get really desperate, stand on a car and
    yell "i wanna buy cheap t-shirts!!!!!"   i really don't think you'll
    have any trouble... :^) :^) :^)
    
    					da ve

    In fact last year there was quite a market at Carmi. Buy you're shirts
    from the comfort of your own campsite!

    There's a decent outdoor seafood-type place on fan pier just the other
    side of the bridge.
    
    	dave
    

    
    Getting to and from the arena at Highgate was less than
    satisfactory experience for us last year.  We took the
    campground (school)bus and while the ride in was ok ...
    the ride back was torture.  
    
    Anyone care to share experiences/creativity re: getting there
    and back again? 
    
    c

    the promoters stated that this year's performance will be much
    different from last year's horror show i.e. parking
    new ways in and out have been set up to ease the flow
    we parked on the street heading in..as long as your tires were not over
    the white line, the locals said you were OK....

    Karen and I drove from Lake Carmi, go in the huge line o' cars, then at
    some point we saw Adam walking, he suggested we park at a school we had
    just driven by..walked from there, which was apparently 4.5 miles or
    so, and I enjoyed the walk to, seeing the sites, and everyone gettin'
    primed up for the show...walkin' back after the show wasn't bad either,
    and it seemed to go faster than we thought it would, walking in the
    dark and all....
    
    I definitely wouldn't wanna park too close and get caught in a major
    traffic mess...I'd rather walk a bit...
    
    Wes

    we found a way around to the north andjoined the big line-o-cars
    somewhere in the middle...  the guys yard we parked in was the last $10
    lot...  a longer drive distance-wise but less hassle and only a couple
    of miles of crawling traffic...  can't remember routes though... 
    maybe once i look at the map again...
    
    oh, does anyone have the carmi direx?  are they still here someplace?
    
    					da ve

    
    
    Location of Lake Carmi from Vermont Campground guide:
    
    From Burlington Vt, 89N to 105 East, then head N on VT 236.
    (looks like 236 is about 3 miles E of North Sheldon or rt120 on
     my map)
    
    Does anyone know what time the gate closes. Is it possible to
    get in late Weds night, sometime around 10 or 11pm?
    
    Thanks,
    Cathy                                                  
    
    

According to the info sheet given out at ticketmaster the day the tix went
on sale, they are opening the north entrance to the airport.  You could see
this road on a street map of the area, but last year, driving down the road
at night, I couldn't even tell where this entrance was.  Hopefully it
really will be open, and accessible.  I'm probably going to try for that.

adam

    last year we got there after midnight and the gate was closed...  all
    we needed to do though, was to walk in to the ranger shack and they
    came back up with us and let us in...  so yes, you should be able to
    get in even though the gate will likely be locked...
    
    				da ve

    We were thinking about bringing our mtn bikes and biking to the show.
    The thing is, we have to be verry alert to ride them back after
    the show (avoid getting hit by a car, etc.) :-0
    
    Last year, did they allow anyone to bring their bikes _into_ the show
    with them?  Not to ride around, but to avoid chaining them up outside.
    
    The more I think of it, maybe riding bikes to the show is a bad idea...
    sounds like more of a hassle once we get there.
    
    /d

    RE:  getting in after 11 or so
    
    
    yeah there's somebody on duty around the clock. people showed up at all
    hours last year.

    there was a *HUGE* pile of mtn bikes at the show last year
    looks like someone got the bright idea of chaining their bike to a pole
    and someone chained it to that one and so on and so on
    soon there was a mass of tires,krypto locks and metal laying there
    musta sucked for the shlep who first chained it there...

>    We were thinking about bringing our mtn bikes and biking to the show.
>    The thing is, we have to be verry alert to ride them back after
>    the show (avoid getting hit by a car, etc.) :-0
 
i don't think that would be that much of a problem.  the traffic is bound to
be moving slow enough that you'll probably be passing cars, not the other way
around.
   
>    Last year, did they allow anyone to bring their bikes _into_ the show
>    with them?  Not to ride around, but to avoid chaining them up outside.

it would be great if they had a huge bike rack in the parking lot and
encouraged people to leave their cars and take bikes instead.  but that's
prolly wishful thinking.

i'm still considering riding a bike to the show.  haven't decided for sure,
though.

- rich

    
    I've been thinking the same thing.  The big concern is contending with
    autos on the way out.  I figure it may be faster and safer to walk a
    mile or two.
    
    	Mark

    we got there at 2 am last year and no one was letting people in.
    so we drove over the barrier rocks and got in .. probably should
    make a phone call, CAthy
    
    c

I think us DECheads should make an attempt to carpool too/from the show.
And that way, once the designated drivers are designatad, that, uh, frees
the minds of those who are not driving...

I suppose we can all talk about it Weds. night around the multiple campfires.

  Josh

Any last minute changes to this?  Check it over and edit as appropriate!

                     ************************************
                     * DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
                     ************************************

     Section A                          Arrival/Depahcha times
     ---------                          ----------------------
     29 - Chris Leblanc
          Jay J & co.                   Wed 6-7pm, Fri am.
     32 - Steve-O /DaveB                
     34 - Steve-O                       Wed PM     Fri whenconchis
     39 - Deane'o
     40 - Josh
     41 - Peter Kibling
     44 - Danielle
     45 - Carol&John
     47 - Sloan&co.
     54 - Debess et al
     56 - JCmon                         arr: Weds PM, Dep: Sat/Sun
     62 - Mike Charnoky
     70 - Adam                          arr: Wed PM, dep Fri AM
     71 - Adam                          arr: Wed PM, dep Fri AM
     76 - Jeff Corey
     78 - Jeff Corey
     Birch - Rich Fromm                 arr before dark Wed PM,dep Fri AM
     Cherry - Scott Spielman

     Section B
     ---------
     Chestnut - Don M.                  arr Wed 1PM, dep Fri am
     Tamarack - Dorothy P.              arr Wed PM, dep Sun
     Walnut   - J. Ceparski             arr Wed 5PM, dep Fri am
     100 - Jeff Strobel                 arr Wed PM, Dep Fri am
     106 - Hap & Co.

This probably won't have any affect, but in today's Globe (6/12/95) a little
article on pg. 16


Vt. Airport Closed after crash kills 3


Highgate VT.  
  Franklin County Airport will remain closed until Federal Aviation Administration
investigators and the National Transportion Safty Board inspect the wreckage of
the crash of a sightseeing plane in which 3 died Saturday. Pilot Todd Taylor,
33, of St. Albans, and tourists Sandra Irving, 41, and her son Andrew, 10, both of
Georgia, were killed in a mid-air collision over the ariport during a sightseeing
ride when Taylor's Cessna 172 collided with an identically marked Cessna, police
said.  The pilot of the other plane, Charles Boyer, 25, of Burlington and
Quebec, was not seriously injured when he crash landed at the airport.


sigh...
say a prayer for those who have passed this way before us...

PeterT

                     ************************************
                     * DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
                     ************************************

     Section A                          Arrival/Depahcha times
     ---------                          ----------------------
     29 - Chris Leblanc
          Jay J & co.                   Wed 6-7pm, Fri am.
     32 - Steve-O /DaveB                
     34 - Steve-O                       Wed PM     Fri whenconchis
     39 - Deane'o
     40 - Josh				Weds mid-afternoon,  Friday 10:30 AM!
     41 - Peter Kibling
     44 - Danielle
     45 - Carol&John
     47 - Sloan&co.
     54 - Debess et al
     56 - JCmon                         arr: Weds PM, Dep: Sat/Sun
     62 - Mike Charnoky
     70 - Adam                          arr: Wed PM, dep Fri AM
     71 - Adam                          arr: Wed PM, dep Fri AM
     76 - Jeff Corey
     78 - Jeff Corey
     Birch - Rich Fromm                 arr before dark Wed PM,dep Fri AM
     Cherry - Scott Spielman

     Section B
     ---------
     Chestnut - Don M.                  arr Wed 1PM, dep Fri am
     Tamarack - Dorothy P.              arr Wed PM, dep Sun
     Walnut   - J. Ceparski             arr Wed 5PM, dep Fri am
     100 - Jeff Strobel                 arr Wed PM, Dep Fri am
     106 - Hap & Co.

                     ************************************
                     * DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
                     ************************************

     Section A                          Arrival/Depahcha times
     ---------                          ----------------------
     29 - Chris Leblanc
          Jay J & co.                   Wed 6-7pm, Fri am.
     32 - Steve-O /DaveB                
     34 - Steve-O                       Wed PM     Fri whenconchis
     39 - Deane'o
     40 - Josh				Weds mid-afternoon,  Friday 10:30 AM!
     41 - Peter Kibling
     44 - Danielle
     45 - Carol&John
     47 - Sloan&co.
     54 - Debess et al
     56 - JCmon                         arr: Weds PM, Dep: Sat/Sun
     62 - Mike Charnoky
     70 - Adam                          arr: Wed PM, dep Fri AM
     71 - Adam                          arr: Wed PM, dep Fri AM
     76 - Jeff Corey
     78 - Jeff Corey
     Birch - Rich Fromm                 arr before dark Wed PM,dep Fri AM
     Cherry - Scott Spielman		arr: ~4PM Wed, dep Fri AM

     Section B
     ---------
     Chestnut - Don M.                  arr Wed 1PM, dep Fri am
     Tamarack - Dorothy P.              arr Wed PM, dep Sun
     Walnut   - J. Ceparski             arr Wed 5PM, dep Fri am
     100 - Jeff Strobel                 arr Wed PM, Dep Fri am
     106 - Hap & Co.

good thing i save all my e-mail.  i found this in my highgate folder from
last year, in case anyone is interested.

- rich

lake carmi state park
rd 1 box 1710
enosburg falls, vt  05450
802-933-8383

to get here from i-89 northbound:  take exit 19 (st. albans), turn right on
route 104 north.  go 3-4 miles to route 105 and turn right (east).  continue
approximately 12 miles and turn left on route 236 north.  3 miles further and
the park is on your left.  look carefully at night - the sign isn't lit!

camping facilities:  there are 143 tent/trailer sites, 35 leanto sites and 2
cabins that make this the state's largest campground.  rest rooms have running
water and hot showers.  there is a trailer sanitary station but no hookups; most
sites are large enough to accommodate self-containted RVs.  there are swimming
beaches in both camp areas, or campers may use the day beach for no fee.

    
    I would not even consider riding my bike on the main road from Highgate
    to Carmi.  Once cars get out of the lot, the traffic moves right along.
    There's people on mushrooms, LSD, alcohol, marijauna, heroin...glue.
    If there was a dirt road or something going to Carmi that would be
    better.
    
    Don't let yourself be mistaken
    for someone else's hallucination  

    >> Traffic coming back from Highgate to Carmi
    
    That's what I was thinking, Deane...I don't want to get hit by somebody
    who's actually driving their bus on the moon...
    
    I don't know, everything is way up in the air right now.  :-0 
    I _still_ have no idea if my campsite is going to be filled to the 
    max or completely empty.  I probably won't know until tonight...
    So....there is a chance I will have space on it, in case anyone
    needs a place to stay/crash.  As long as there is space, you are welcome, 
    as long as you are not anal-retentive or a huge lush-type that
    is going to throw up all over the campsite ;')  hahahahahaha  
    hopefully that will not be me ;')  ;')
    
    I am not bringing any siblings to this years show :-), only because
    they are in Boulder, Colorado.  I don't expect things to get as crazy as 
    they did last year (but who knows, surprise me)...
    
    /d

>    Don't let yourself be mistaken
>    for someone else's hallucination  

:^) :^) :^)

good one deano.  howzabout puttin' that on a bumper sticker?  ;^)

/rich

>    Don't let yourself be mistaken
>    for someone else's hallucination  

yeah, it even rythmes!  (dammit I could never spell that word!)


	 	Why I need a Show (in 25 Words or Less)
			  by Josh Belkin

   I saw a truck this morning with FORT ANN written on the side, and I thought 
   it read "FORTRAN".  I need a show.

Weather Conditions at 1 PM EDT on 13 JUN 95 for Burlington, VT.
Temp(F)    Humidity(%)    Wind(mph)    Pressure(in)    Weather
========================================================================
   73          32%          NNW at 6       29.81      Partly Cloudy

GRAND ISLE-FRANKLIN-ORLEANS-ESSEX-CHITTENDEN-LAMOILLE-CALEDONIA-
WASHINGTON-ADDISON-ORANGE-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...ST ALBANS...NEWPORT...BURLINGTON...
SOUTH BURLINGTON...WINOOSKI...BARRE...MONTPELIER...VERGENNES
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ALBANY NY
352 AM EDT TUE JUN 13 1995

 TODAY...A MIX OF CLOUDS AND SUN. SPRINKLES POSSIBLE. HIGH 70 TO 75.
NORTH WIND AROUND 10 MPH.
 TONIGHT...PARTLY CLOUDY. LOW 45 TO 50. LIGHT WIND BECOMING
NORTHWEST 10 MPH.
 WEDNESDAY...SUNSHINE...MIXING WITH A FEW AFTERNOON CLOUDS. HIGH 65
TO 70.


                 ***********************
                 State extended forecast
                 ***********************
 EXTENDED FORECAST...
 THURSDAY...FAIR.  LOWS 45 TO 55.  HIGHS IN THE 70S.
 FRIDAY...FAIR.  LOWS IN THE 50S.  HIGHS IN THE 70S.
 SATURDAY...CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS. LOWS IN THE 50S.  HIGHS IN THE
70S.

    anyone need a campsite .. through a series of circumstances, site
    45 is available.  
    

I have one extra Highgate ticket if anyone knows of a needy person.  I also
have access to a second ticket so that makes a pair, if necessary.

Send mail (I'll be here Wednesday until 12 PM) or leave a message at
508-820-0284

BTW, I just called ticketmaster and the show is SOLD OUT!!!!!!

adam

i have a friend who has an xtra highgate ticket.

available either 2nite in newton (contact Rich Folk at 617-964-4163)
or afterwards at Lake Carmi (Birch site in area A)

- rich

                         ************************************
                         * DEChead Lake Carmi Camping Sites *
                         ************************************
    
    Section A                          	Arrival/Depahcha times
    ---------                          	----------------------
    29 - Chris Leblanc
         Jay J & co.                   	Wed 6-7pm, Fri am.
    32 - Steve-O /DaveB                
    34 - Steve-O                       	Wed PM     Fri whenconchis
    39 - Deane'o
    40 - Josh				Weds mid-afternoon,  Friday 10:30 AM!
    41 - Peter Kibling
    44 - Danielle    			arr: Weds. 9-10 p.m., Dep: Fri AM
    45 - Carol&John                     
    47 - Sloan&co.
    54 - Debess et al
    56 - JCmon                         	arr: Weds PM, Dep: Sat/Sun
    62 - Mike Charnoky
    70 - Adam                          	arr: Wed PM, dep Fri AM
    71 - Adam                          	arr: Wed PM, dep Fri AM
    76 - Jeff Corey
    78 - Jeff Corey
    Birch - Rich Fromm                 	arr before dark Wed PM,dep Fri AM
    Cherry - Scott Spielman	      	arr: ~4PM Wed, dep Fri AM
    
    Section B
    ---------
    Chestnut - Don M.                  	arr Wed 1PM, dep Fri am
    Tamarack - Dorothy P.              	arr Wed PM, dep Sun
    Walnut   - J. Ceparski             	arr Wed 5PM, dep Fri am
    100 - Jeff Strobel                 	arr Wed PM, Dep Fri am
    106 - Hap & Co.

    	It looks like my boyfriend and I will be going to Carmi (it has been
        "up in the air" until 10:30 p.m. last night :-/  )
        
        Today:
        Working until 12:30, driving home to Boston, going to grocery store, 
    	pack, etc., leave Boston between 5 and 6 p.m., arrive Carmi around 
    	9-10 p.m.  We have decided not to bring bikes because we are bringing 
    	my CRX.
        
        We will be bringing a guitar or two and possibly be providing some
        entertainment.  (You know, we will have a fire, I will be dancing
        around it, etc. etc.  hahahahahah)
        
        Does anyone know where to get some wood around the Hudson/Marlboro
        area?
        
        /d
    
    
                                                

re:              <<< Note 446.301 by BINKLY::DEMARSE "Enjoy being" >>>

>        Does anyone know where to get some wood around the Hudson/Marlboro
>        area?
        

	Don't know if this helps but there's a place that's loaded with
	pallets and all sorts of pieces of pallets etc in Marlboro off
	Bartlett Rd, across from the entrance to Bartlett Pond.  Might
	actually be in Northboro, but it can't be more than 2 miles from
	MRO.

	Nursery's, Lumber yards, and places like Amway usually sell fire wood
	too.

	/Ken

    RE:I will be dancing around it, etc, etc.
    
    damn...knew I shoulda sprung for these shows!!!  have a good time!
    %^)
    rfb

>    damn...knew I shoulda sprung for these shows!!!  have a good time!

it's never too late, rfb.  hop on a plane right now!!!

/rich

GRAND ISLE-FRANKLIN-CHITTENDEN-ADDISON-RUTLAND-WINDSOR-BENNINGTON-   
WINDHAM-   
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...ST ALBANS...BURLINGTON...SOUTH BURLINGTON...   
WINOOSKI...VERGENNES...RUTLAND   
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ALBANY NY   
1037 AM EDT WED JUN 14 1995   
   
.THIS AFTERNOON...A MIX OF CLOUDS AND SUN. CHANCE OF A SHOWER. HIGH   
70 TO 75. NORTH WIND 5 TO 15 MPH. CHANCE OF RAIN 30 PERCENT.   
.TONIGHT...CLEAR AND CHILLY. LOW 40 TO 45. LIGHT WIND.   
.THURSDAY...MOSTLY SUNNY. HIGH 70 TO 75.   

STATE FORECAST FOR VERMONT   
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ALBANY NY   
400 AM EDT WED JUN 14 1995   
   
.TODAY...A MIX OF SUN AND CLOUDS. HIGH 70 TO 75.   
.TONIGHT...MOSTLY CLEAR AND CHILLY. ISOLATED POCKETS OF FROST IN THE   
NORTH. LOW 35 TO 45.   
.THURSDAY...SUNNY AND PLEASANT.  HIGH 70 TO 75.   
   
.EXTENDED FORECAST...   
.FRIDAY...FAIR.  LOWS IN THE 50S.  HIGH 70 TO 80.   
.SATURDAY...FAIR.  LOWS IN THE 50S.  HIGHS 75 TO 85.   
.SUNDAY...PARTLY SUNNY...CHANCE OF A SHOWER.  LOWS 55 TO 60.   
HIGHS 75 TO 80.   

    Sure seems awful quiet in here...
    
    
    ...michael t. deadhead
    

Can't imagine why... ;-)


I could use a show, but I can wait...  I think...


PeterT

>     -< I'm in the area, tickets are readily available, so what am I doi >-

you are feeling sleepy...  very sleepy...
you're logging off, and driving up to highgate...
highgate...
grateful dead...
go to the show...

:^)

    yeah, bummer we're not goin'...and no Rich, I'm not getting sleepy :)
    Gaahhden in September...I'm there

    Well, it's about 11:30, so the show must be over.  So, where's
    the setlist?
    
    
    ;-)
    
    PeterT
    

    not only no setlist....no new notes! %^)
    
    rfb

    Yeah...I'm anxiously waiting for the "campfire entertainment" report/review
    
    WO

Thursday June 15, 1995
Franklin Field, Highgate VT

Touch of Grey
Wang Dang Doodle
Peggy-O
El Paso
Ramble On Rose
Black Throated Wind
Loose Lucy
Promised Land

Here Comes Sunshine
Samba in the Rain
Truckin ->
That Would Be Something ->
He's Gone ->
Drums ->
Space ->
Box of Rain ->
Standing on the Moon ->
Sugar Magnolia

Liberty
*(Bob Dylan opened)*

    Cool...interesting they did Truckin last year, and closed the 2nd set
    the same..Standing the Moon > Sugar Mag

    re:Standing the Moon > Sugar Mag
    
    i think they've been doin alot of that combo lately....actually, unless
    the tunes were played exceptionally well, I'd say  that was a so so 
    setlist....BUT I WASN"T THERE AND JUST BECAUSE THE SETLIST LOOKS so so
    DOESN"T MEAN THE SHOW WAS!!!!
    rfb

    well, maybe a so so set list, and I'd agree, just looking at it, but
    the 2nd set from truckin>he's gone to the end looks good...and I have a
    tape of last year, some folks think the tape sounds better than when we
    were there....for ME, it was GRATE..but it was also many things last
    year that made it so Grate, the weather, the venue, the people, it was
    just a BEEautiful day/night...
    
    I can't wait to read what folks have to say...
    
    Wes

    I'll have to echo Wes here.  Last year, the music WAS so so.  But I had 
    a HELL OF A GOOD TIME!  But I didn't get to see any of the
    Carmi excitement.  Oh well...
    
    PeterT
    

I'll try and pen more on Highgate later. Connor and I had a great time. He 
was dancin' up a storm from Dylan's first note on and he got interviewed 
(outside) by some woman with a videocam. Had to keep moving back due to the 
gate crashers (didn't want the boy to be trampled). Only lowlight of the 
trip was when we parked the car I chose the spot because the guy told me it 
was only 1.5 miles to the show. As the crow flies that might have been 
right but it was actually 3-4 miles, a tiring haul after a show with a 
sleepy 48 lb kid on your shoulders.  Oh yea, REM was great last night as 
well.

jeff

I've got the digital up front of HighGate - Schoeps CMC44's in the
sweetspot if anyone wants to run a tree.

	Tim

    Tim -
    	I'm on running that tree if its still open.
    
    						_Jeff

    How do I sign up.  i want to be a parasite on the tree for highgate
    - include Dylan if possible
    
    carol

Good time.
surprised that so many decheads blew the scene on friday morning.  we
styayed most of the w-end... very relaxing on friday and sat, just hanging
'round, rappin' with misc.  heads, drinking brew outta my keg, etc...



ok, so, the 64k question is:


	Will they be back next year?


i say 40% yes, 60% no.


i think the scene was much worse this year than last.
the dead, if they do play next year, should announce the show
during summer tour to keep crowds down.  gate crashers SUCK!!!!!
they ruin it for the rest of us....  the "jerk" factor was much
higher this year than i've ever seen it in 58 or so shows.  kinda
like a phish show.  perhaps it is the young-aged people factor, i 
dunno.  deb and i both noticed this immediately last year when we
saw phish at sugarbush -- generally, people having no respext!  people
walking all over the place... i got my hand stepped on and the
guy looked at me like i had a problem. no apologies.  lots of
people reaming everyone with none of the usual "i'm sorry"... i
guess this is the typical summer tour crowd -- "amateur" dead concert
goers looking for a quick escape/party and they don't care what happens
in their wake for the folks like most of us who see the boyz all year
around.

    JC--
    	I agree with you completely (about the young-aged people factor).
    That is why I don't like going to Phish shows.  Lots of rude, pushy kids 
    with no respect...(but I still like the band ;')  Maybe it has changed,
    this was a couple of years ago.
    
    	There was definitely a rise in the 15-29 age group at highgate, not
    a lot of people to show them the way ;')

re              <<< Note 446.323 by BINKLY::DEMARSE "Enjoy being" >>>

.    JC--
.    	I agree with you completely (about the young-aged people factor).
.    That is why I don't like going to Phish shows.  Lots of rude, pushy kids 
.    with no respect...(but I still like the band ;')  Maybe it has changed,
.    this was a couple of years ago.
 
well, this was last year at sugarbush, so, i don't think there's been
a change.  

btw, absolutely no discredit to phish.  phish doesn't ask their crowd
to be assholes, they just play the music.   similar to the dead - they just
play, they don't ask people to be jerks (in fact, they ask the opposite!).

my take is this.  summer tour comes.  all the kids that were in school are
now on break.  they decide the dead is a good thing, so they go to their
1 or 2 shows, raise hell, then go home and brag about how cool they were
crashing the gate, telling cops to go screw, drinking beer, puking all overe
the place,etc,etc. its their one rahrah for the summer.  bottom line, it
is those few who ruin it for the larger deadicated crowd.  sad scene and
there's not much you can do about it.  they view it as a big party.  they
don't understand the deadhead code of conduct, and frankly, they don't
care 'cuz they don't have anything invested in the dead.  it is a party,
not a dead show.  

interesting point worth mentioning now.  a friend of a friend made some
comments about pushing people, not saying excuse me, i'm sorry, etc.
this person (she) said if she's had a bad day, it helps to go bump into
people to relieve tension.  in fact, if she gets pushed, she said she'll
usually push back.  deb and i thought this to be very undeadhead like, and
it was a topic of discussion when we were alone.  this person also goes
to bands that do this "moshing" shit -- i don't know what this is
exactly other then people ramming themselves into other people (please,
someone enlighten me).  anyways, she went to the show and probably pushed
and shoved opther people and loved it.  perhaps that is status quo in
her "moshing" crowd of friends, i dunno.  but, it seems to conflict with
the deadhead code of conduct, sorry to say....

    I'm proud to say that we have been attending a few of the last shows
    with some "youngsters" that are true deadheads....they RESPECT
    OTHERS...course these youngsters are 25 and not 16, ...some of Mike
    Bourdess's friends
    
    rfb

    
    I think it also has a lot to do with east coast vs west coast shows. 
    The east coast crowds have an edge to them and tend to be too rowdy.
    
    Haven't been to a Dead show since 1991 (though I saw Jerry in Worcester
    in 1993), and I really don't miss it when I read about stuff like this.
    
    I've talked to more than one dedicated deadhead who has gotten
    frustrated with the scene and found it not worth the hassles involved. 
    Its a shame that the general behavior of a sub-crowd of people can be
    so nasty and have such an impact.
    
    Hogan

    
    This was show 98 for me and one of the worst crowds.  I'd give most of
    the scene 2 thumbs down :^(  Foxboro was not a cool scene if I
    remember.
    Anyway.  This show left a bad taste in my mouth all around.
    
    	

                                     
    With the way the world seems to be going, we're lucky we can get that 
    many people together to party without more serious incident.  I've 
    seen a lot of gates go down in my time.
                               
    Probably would be a very wise idea to conflict next years Highgate show 
    with Phish at S'bush. 
    
    Instead of Highgate, let's call it Crashgate! 

    Crashgate- HAhahahah.  I love it Deano.
    
    

    well I certainly was bummed about not getting to Highgate this year,
    but it sounds like it wasn't as fun as last year, and a so-so
    performance...I still would have liked to have been there, but like
    Hogan said, maybe I didn't miss much after all...
    
    hmm, it seems that this hassle was a function of it being an outdoor
    show, so the Gaaahden shows should be mellower, scene wise, and maybe
    being in the Gaaahden one last time will inspire Jerry and the boyz for
    a better performance...
    
    so, did anyone go to Montreal before or after ???  :)))
    
    Wes

    
    Lot's of depressing stories coming from the highgate weekend..
    too bad.  I hope those going to Albany will find the scene much
    more laidback.  
    
    I agree with JC that summer toor is a yahoo for a bunch of young 
    kids (or no, not even young kids, just people who think that
    a deadshow is a drink-all, drug-all, anything-goes type of
    scene).  I was pretty much a "Young Kid" when I started seeing
    the dead and I NEVER EVER had that type of attitude.  I had more of
    a "coming home" feeling - not a "trash this place and move on" one. 
    I know I have seen a lot of that at Giant's as well.
    
    But anyway... I'm going showless this summer and kind of bummed about
    it, but quite honestly, of the last few shows I've been to a couple
    have been pretty disappointing and I'd rather keep those good
    experiences fresh in my mind instead!
    
    Have fun in Albany, all!  I think (and hope) the mood is a changing
    for that scene.  
    
    peace, mj
    

    assholes aside.....don't cah think a 2 day show (or 3 or 4!!) gives 
    the boyz a chance to play a good show after alame one? I know I'd a
    been very bummed if Friday Vegas was the only show that weekend..i'd
    a prolly asked for my money back!! if it hadn't a been for Sat and
    Sun....
    
    No summer shows for the Colorado contingency this summer...but we got 
                                 A LOT!!!
    of Shakedown gigs to look forward to this summer including a 
                THREE DAY GIG AND PARTY IN SOUTH PARK!!!! 
    camping, beer, dead songs by one of the premier dead cover
    bands in AmeriKa!!!!, and South Park!!!! which should be full of
    mountain flowers after all the rains this spring. ....i like to watch
    the flowers grow......
    
    rfb

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I'm just getting back in.....   :)  BOB D COOKED ...

I think the 2nd set set list is missing a Jerry song???  WOW!  Was I on
Planet 9?   I could've sworn that right after Truckin' there was ANOTHER
Jerry tune w/ strong hints of Samson and Delilah...I'd never heard it before
so just labeled it as ? in my head.

Thursday June 15, 1995
Franklin Field, Highgate VT

Here Comes Sunshine
Samba in the Rain
Truckin ->
???IT'S MISSING RIGHT HERE-SHORT TAKE AT IT AND DEFINATELY AN INFANT SONG
That Would Be Something ->
He's Gone ->
Drums ->
Space ->
Box of Rain ->
Standing on the Moon ->
Sugar Magnolia

Liberty
*(Bob Dylan opened)*

Sorry to hear that so many folks were let down by the Highgate show.  

I had a great time.  One of *THE* key fun-factors was getting in and out of
the campsite and the show with ZERO traffic by takign back roads.  I highly
recommend the light-blue covered "The Vermont Road Atlas and Gazetteer" for
back-roads navigating.  This atlas has the entire state broken up into about
sixty 12"x16" maps, each with _all_ of the paved, grated-gravel, unimproved
dirt, and trail roads in the state at a once-inch-to-the-mile scale and VERY
accurate -- every hill, turn, stream, old barn, church, etc. is marked on the
map.  This publisher makes these maps for all of New England.  Even though the
atlas was dated 1988 (some roads since improved and dwellings unmakred), it
definitely was a handy tool for avoiding the Highgate traffic!  With this, we
could totally avoid 87 and all the traffic into Highgate center and the show
and bring the VW Bus around the NORTH and WEST sides of the airport via a
couple gravel roads, a dirt roads, and lots of 2-lane paved roads -- it took
us maybe 50%-75% longer in mileage, but at least 2 hours shorter in time!!  We
were quite surprised to run into Dean-O and company in the private dirt lot at
the other end of the runway -- only a ~15-20 min walk to the show!  This
pleasant travel experience, and sneaking out of the Wednesday night traffic
jam by 4 wheelin' it across the grassy median of I-89 made for a fun trip from
a driving point of view :-)

Carmi was incredible -- the morning-after swim in the lake was refreshing and
invigorating.  And the few folks who were using soap in the water were
politely educated on the do's and don'ts of proper natural water use and we
didn't see any of that again, which was nice.  The lean-to's at Carmi were
definitely the way to go.  We (Rich, etc.) were at Birch, which is at one end
of section A and faces _away_ from the rest of the campsites.  So any noise we
made -- and we did make a little :-) -- got broadcasted into the empty woods
and didn't bother too many folks.  And we didn't hear too much either :-)
The crew working at Lake Carmi St. Park was pleasant and helpful... and sorry
to say there wasn't any memorable "bon fire entertainment" this year that I
heard of.

The pre-show activities were fun ... wandering around in amazement at the
plethora of vending and people in the parking lot.  If you wanted it and
looked for it, you could find it.  The crowd at the show was, well, crowded.
We dropped a tarp just to the right of the soundboard and had to keep from
getting trampled by the teeming hoards trying to push their way to the front.
Maybe I had to perform a little barrier defense of the tarp by saying a
polite-but-firm "don't push" or "please go around" a dozen times to various
folks, but on the whole it was a _relatively_ good scene where we were
sitting.

The show was about as good as I expected.  Excellent (!) sound, excellent (!)
visual light show, and mediocre (.) performance. :-)  IMO, Jerry played better
at Highgate than the last coupla times I saw him at the Garden.  And when Phil
sang BoR and totally blew a note here and there, I thought of Jon Fishman and
smiled :-)  During drums when they really cranked up the system and
stereo-ized the sound, several times my eyes bugged a little in surprise at
how friggin loud and how good quality the sound of those drums were!!  And the
biblical exodus at the end of the show was also an amazing sight to see, and
partake in.  We took a liesurely stroll back up the runway to the cars, picked
up some firewood from the private lot on the way out, and had a nice open road
trip back to Carmi, and built ourselves a nifty little fire back at the Birch
lean-to.  Quaffed some brews, munched some munchies, BS'd with friends, and
fell asleep to the morning song of some ornithary friends just before sunrise.

All in all, it was a good time with good friends!



- jeff

    :^)  let down by the show??  nahhhh...  i too had a great time...
    
    let down by the crowd antics and such???  yep...
    
    i agree that the Carmi folks really had it together and made it one of
    the highg points of the experience...  i'd go back there just to hang
    out!  show or no show...
    
    				da ve

I'd be happy to help with the tape tree for Highgate. Let me know!

jeff

	i'm back. i'll write more later, but all-in-all, a grate time was
	had at highgate. no traffic hassles. no crowd hassles. grate
	food, grate campsite companions, good show. the only bummer was
	DC getting his car stuck in the mud. i mean STUCK. but with 10 or
	so guys, we dragged that sucker outta there! :-) albany was much
	better tho. ;-)
	
	jay

    
    I have a decent tape of highgate.  Recorded on a D7 using, I believe,
    SenseHieser (sp) mikes.  The Dylan portion is beautiful except for a
    couple of crackles during Damn Flood.  The dead portion is ok.  Anyone 
    innerested?  I could start a tree if enough are up for it.
    
    One question....  Since Dylan doesn't usually allow taping, is it okay 
    to put together a tree on this?  If not, I'll leave off his portion

    I think he can afford it......

    I'd be up for a copy of that!

    i'm in..
    only if the screams of helpless hippies being crushed in the gate
    crashing can be heard in the background....

	slight digression:
	did anyone catch the Dawnland singers at Highgate? there's a
	brief writeup in the latest GD Almanac. Damn, I wish I had caught
	them!
	
	     "The sight of the Highgate concert was located  on sacred
	ground of the Abenaki Nation.
	     "The Dawnland singers, mindful of this fact, expressed an
	interest in particpating in the event, ..."

    we caught it - it was right at the beginning - they explained about the
    location on sacred ground and then did a song.  One on the guys wifes
    was next to us with a movie projector - dennis had thrown her out from
    backstage because of it!! no camcorders allowed..  we got some pictures
    being right up front but just from those disposable cameras.  Actually
    they weren't too bad -- you can see phil on stage in the back when 
    dylan was on mouthing the words to the songs.  also jerry was on the 
    side with his wife "dancing"  the when dylan came of stage he picked
    him up in a big bear hug - gave me a warmer feeling than i already
    had. dylan in white silk singing into a mic with no guitar in hand... 
    a first for me!!  i'd like a copy of the tape and i vote for the dylan part
    :-)

I'll branch on the highgate tape (plus dylan). Didn't this tree get planted 
once? :-)

jeff

    Can I get only the Dylan part?  If so, I'm in.
    
    FT

I'd be interested in the Dylan part.  Maybe the dead too, but not that 
necessary...

PeterT

    I'd be interested in Bobby's set, too.

    Tom

Dylan and the DAT.  

I'm in ... hey Mystery, change my order! :-)


- jeff

    yeah - hey didn't Mystery already start this tree?  I need the Dylan 
    set and Debess does too.
    
    

    Ya mon...
    
    Count me in for the entire show...  
    
    --t

    
    We really need to get the Highgate and Albany trees set up.
    
    Is there a note that addresses this somewhere?  I know the tapes
    are available and ready.  Perhaps a taping party somewhere for one
    evening would be grand.  Bring your decks, patch cords, and oats.