Conference rdvax::grateful

Well, I'll start.

Pre-show, I'll most likely be found at the Brewery (Commonwealth?) right by
the Garden!

Josh

    Commonwealth sounds like a good start to me !!!
    
    also don't forget the 3 Slipknot shows after the 1st 3 Dead shows !!!!
    
    anyone remember last year when Slipknot played across the street after
    one of the Dead shows ? that was lots of fun !!!!!
    
    
    Chris

commonwealth is where i'll most likely be at.

be sure to bring your ID!
they card everyone...

    and go early, the place gets pack rilly fast ! :')
    

    what is the deal with deadheads having something to say about
    toucheads? this really pisses me off...
    1) i didn't see my first show until 89
    2) i don't even own In the Dark on cd, tape, reel to reel album etc...
       for a bunch of people in a family like environment...some deadheads
    sure can be elitist about certain things...i don't screm at shows..
    i don't sing in other people's ears etc....This si just like me asking
    someone if they are a pats, bruins or sox fan,..and then asking them
    howlong they have lived in new england and them telling me "oh only 5
    years" and then me telling them they haven't earned the right as a fan

    tell 'em chris!!!   
    
    and everyone have at least ONE beer for me...and maybe a ballon...and
    maybe......
    
    
    rfb

    
     Hey Chris....
    
     your not a touchead,....your a,"Built to Last Head". :-)
    
    Sean
    

    You guys are harsh, real harsh..
    :^)

    Wow, a pre-BG brewery get together.  Can't believe that I'll be there! 
    And to those of you I owe beers to (and you know who you are!) see ya
    at CBC!
    
    Fredda

Generally, we meet downstairs, where its easier to get beer/food/tables.

> Generally, we meet downstairs, where its easier to get beer/food/tables.

...and where we can oggle the brewin' equipment :-)


- jeff

    hows about a place to meet in-be-tween-sets ?

Chris L and the world in general,

Sorry to offend you with use of the word "touchhead".
In my mind it really means more along the lines of someone who's there at
the show just for the party and not for the music, and _how_ long they've 
been listening to the Dead really isn't a distinction.

I don't care if you (general "you" here, not directed at Chris L!) lent Garcia
that dictionary where he looked up the phrase "Grateful Dead", and had 
front-row seats to 3-1-69, if you're behind me at a show yellin' and screamin
during "Black Peter" etc, you're a yahoo!  :-)

Josh

>    And to those of you I owe beers to (and you know who you are!) see ya
>    at CBC!

not to be nitpicking, but just to clarify.  the place where i believe most
of us will be at is not the CBC.  the CBC is the Cambridge Brewing Company,
which is across the river by MIT.  although it is a nice hangout, and you'd
find it substantially less crowded than the Commonwealth Brewing Company before
and after a show, but it's not quite so close to the Garden.

- rich

    
    yikes well we can't have that.  i do believe the place we are all
    talking about is the Commonwealth  
    
    

    So what time at the Commonwealth, and on what days?
    
    Bill_who's_only_going_to_the_Thurs_show

    early and every day :') silly question Bill !
    
    Chris

This morning's topic:  BG Transportation. 

No, not what happens to you when the Boys melt your mind with really out-there
Bird Song or Playin' jam, but, on a more mundane level, I'm talkin'
physical, bodily movement to/from the B.G.!

Some folks here are partial to taking the train.  Important for me though
is the ability to get home relatively ASAP so I can try to get some sleep...
Do you train-takers have any trouble with having to take a later train
than is optimal, given that a typical show lets out aroung 11:30?
When's the last train from N. Station, around 12:00 midnight?

Pahkin' lots.  Last year I pahked a few times at the lot under the
"up" ramp to 93 by Leverett Circle (across the street from the apt. towers
at the end of Storrow Drive that have the sign that sez "if you lived here
you'd be home by now").  This lot was convienent for getting back onto 93.

Any other favorite pahking spots/lots?  I guess that some lots would be
filled up by say 6 PM - that has some bearing then on when to decide to 
split from work and head into town.

Josh

    park at Alewife in Belmont and take the T in to North Station
    
    - Mr. Burbs

re        <<< Note 423.19 by BIGQ::DCLARK "doin' that crazy hand jive!" >>>

>    park at Alewife in Belmont and take the T in to North Station




even better mon:


	park at alewife.
	red line 5 (?) stops to Chahles.
	10 mins walk and you are THERE!




don't forget everyone....  there is no 'r' in 'car' while you in bahston.
oh, and those forgotten 'r's get appended to words like 'idea'...


	"I got an idear, let's pahk the cah undah 93!"


:-)


	i was listening to '91 @ BG.  man oh man HORNSBY could crank and
	get people riled up........................

>	park at alewife.
>	red line 5 (?) stops to Chahles.
>	10 mins walk and you are THERE!

How late does the T run?, how late is the Alewife garage open?  


Is anyone interested in getting a Real Table (TM) at the Brewery tomorrow?
Advantage of a Real Table (TM) is you get access to Real Food (TM) not
Bar Food (TM).  :-)  They have pretty good swordfish, as I recall!
Downstairs you can get only sandwiches (pretty good ones though) and fries

I can reserve a table for N people, if I get a rough idea of how many are
innerested.  I think I'll be getting on-site around 5:15.

Josh

Last year, the last T-car left Haymarket around 12:30.  I remember this
because I was disappointed at having to leave the Commonwealth Brewery
at 12:15, and then on the last night I drove into town  with Tree, and 
stayed late...Only to find that the band at the Commonwealth finished 
at 12:30..:-/

I'm planning to drive into town and see Slipknot after the shows (Hey,
Geoff, to borrow a David Bromberg line, "How late'll ya play 'till?").

I may do the T on the weekend.  I'm travelling alone, and open to 
taking on riders who'd be interested in carpooling.  Let me know.

tim

    
    Last year, my most hassle free experience was parking at the Haymarket 
    garage...cost was around $10, but it was well worthit when I was in 
    home and in bed at midnight.
                             
    

re  <<< Note 423.22 by NAC::TRAMP::GRADY "Into the night, an angel to be..." >>>
                           -< Who, me excited? ;-) >-

>Last year, the last T-car left Haymarket around 12:30.  I remember this
>because I was disappointed at having to leave the Commonwealth Brewery
>at 12:15, and then on the last night I drove into town  with Tree, and 
>stayed late...Only to find that the band at the Commonwealth finished 
>at 12:30..:-/

puritain boston at its best!!!!!!!!



as for cahpooling, i'm all game.  i think TAY2 is going to be a meeting
place for me and others.   tomorrow night, just deb and i are going into
town.  tim, or anyone else, if ya wanna hook up w/ us and do the alewife
thing, drop me a line.  we have room for 2-3 more.  if we have 4, the alewife
thing will cost only 2.85 /ea ...

also, weds, and thurs, same thing. meet at TAY by 5pm, then c-c-c-cruiiise!!!!


send mail if ya wanna do this.

my advice:

just drive around downtown a bit.  you'd probably have a hard time finding a
spot during the day, but after 5 pm it's not too bad.  park on the street
(i.e. free) and just walk a bit to the garden.  the city is so small, it's
not too far.  and it's quicker than taking the T.  just be VERY careful to
park legally.

- rich

>  <<< Note 423.22 by NAC::TRAMP::GRADY "Into the night, an angel to be..." >>>
>                           -< Who, me excited? ;-) >-

>I'm planning to drive into town and see Slipknot after the shows (Hey,
>Geoff, to borrow a David Bromberg line, "How late'll ya play 'till?").


1:45 am

Geoff

re    <<< Note 423.25 by ROCK::FROMM "This space intentionally left blank." >>>
                               -< pahk the cahr >-

>my advice:
>
>just drive around downtown a bit.  you'd probably have a hard time finding a
>spot during the day, but after 5 pm it's not too bad.  park on the street
>(i.e. free) and just walk a bit to the garden.  the city is so small, it's
>not too far.  and it's quicker than taking the T.  just be VERY careful to
>park legally.


hassle city, imo.
i'll pay the extra coupla bux to use a tried and true
method to get to and from the gahdin.

    
    If anyone is going in from the Marlboro/Hudson area for Tuesday's
    show and has room for 1 more, please let me know.  I'd rather carpool
    if possible.  
    
    	Gracias 
    	Mark
    

    
    redline all the way to park street and change to green to north
    station.
    
    it's even more fun to do on a week night whenall the regular people
    are on the T and they stand around with their mouths open looking
    at the FREAK_FLAGSSSSS
    
    anyway what;s all the talk about getting home by midnite .. are we
    a buncha pumpkins here or what?   you KNOW you aren't going in the next
    day until 10 or 11 anyway.... 
    
    :-)
    
    

    
    All set for the ride.  Thanks Rich 
    
    	Mark

    
    Man, am I freakin psyched to go and party to the tunes of my 
    favorite band.  
    
    	YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
    
    3 hours til blast off
    

    
    Just got my ticket off Mr Fromm

     Almost 3 hrs. of show....not bad for opening night!!!  Help, slip,
    franklin me tonite...!!!
    
                :-) daveB

    
    Very KIND night last night.  Although, being 14th row gave me a unique 
    perspective that I have yet to encounter before in my 40+ show history.
    
    Okay...While it's still very fresh -
    
    Stranger, TLEO, and Minglewood blew my socks off.  Maggie's>Cumberland was 
    such a smooth transition; didn't know what was going on til they started 
    singing.
    
    2nd set was lighting....China->Rider was in the groove.  *IT* was knocking 
    at my door, big time.  Bobby took the lead on the transition to get
    things organized....did a great job!  Crowd seemed to be in a constant 
    roar.  Women was excellent....flawless and spunky.  A couple wind down
    tunes, then a surprise, picture perfect Uncle Johns.  D>S was loud and 
    full o' bass.  Watchtower was good, but nothing major.  Standing on the 
    Moon was, by far, the best version I've heard...powerful!!!  I think
    Jerry want's to "Be with us"....whatever that means!
                                                 
    Johny B Goode was also done to near perfection.

    Great show last night!  
    
    I was a little late getting in (what else is new!) so I missed most of
    Stranger....
    
    Stood behind the stage at the very top last row of the stadium.....had
    lots of dancing room and I really like it behind there...one thing that
    I noticed which I wish I hadn't was the ceiling!  YUCK!	 It's hairy
    and scary...
    
    TLEO, Minglewood was good, then while groovin I turned around and
    noticed a poor soul holding his head, sweating profusely and shaking. 
    Apparently, he slipped and fell and cut his head open.  Then the
    ambulance people came and put him in a wheelchair and strapped him in
    it.  He was all by himself and it looked kind of scary, especially if
    he was on anything.  So I walked down to the First Aid station with him
    and waited with him, to make sure he was ok....
    
    I only missed Roads and Maggie's Farm, so that was cool....Cumberland
    was great....
    
    Second set Rider was excellent..
    
    Corrina:  
    Aaaahgghh!  Did anyone else notice the high pitch ear piercing squeal that 
    followed each Corrina? (Corrrinnnnaaaaa  WEEEEEE WEER WEER WEEEEEER)....
    yow!  I thought it was feedback at first, but then it happened each
    time they got to that part.....but I guess it sounded kind of cool...yeah
    
    Uncle Johns was great!  
    
    Drums/Space was cool as well, I love being behind the stage and
    watching Mickey...D/S was about 30 minutes long...
    
    I agree with Deane...last night's Standing on the Moon was the best
    version I've heard!!!  Perfect!

    so just what was the start time ? so I can figrue just when I gotta
    head in :') and talking about getting in....how was it this year ? any
    silly pa messages like "water is a liquid" ?

    >>so just what was the start time ?
    
    band hit the stage at 7:38 and Stranger started at 7:44
    
    Set II - lights down at 9:26 and China "false started" at 9:34
    
    					-jeff_good_note_taker

> Corrina:  Aaaahgghh!  Did anyone else notice the high pitch ear piercing
> squeal that followed each Corrina? (Corrrinnnnaaaaa  WEEEEEE WEER WEER
> WEEEEEER)....  yow!  I thought it was feedback at first, but then it
> happened each time they got to that part.....but I guess it sounded kind of
> cool...yeah

I'm *REALLY GRATEFUL* for the earplugs I had (thanks Rich!) -- we were sitting
25' from the right stack and Bobby's feedback was PAINFUL!  He was doing it
deliberately -- after each 'velveeta' he'd crank up one of the knobs on his
guitar...

SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECH!  

:-P

I really think they're trying to make people HATE that song more than they
already do! :-)

Other than that, and what seemed to be an odd groove-change with Easy in the
first set, it was a good show for an opener :-)



- jeff_a_reelin'_and_a_rockin'!

Nice to run into a lot of folks down in the Brewery!  Sure not gonna make
the mistake of staying there too long though.  Left there around 7 and got
on a very long line to get in, missed Stranger.  

Yeah - I looked up one point and noticed that old hairy scary ceiling too!
What IS that stuff?  It looks like the entire ceiling is covered with 
stretched-open steel wool strands.  Probably decades of dirt but it looks
real wierd.

Nice light show on the central screen over the drummers.  

Can someone(s) please update the BG seating map in 18.14?
In particular, whats the deal with the floor sections?  I saw what seems
to be 4 sections with 5 aisles.  Is section BB a really wide double-width
section, and AA, CC the narrow left-and right-most sections?  or is there
an invisible line between AA and BB that would be in the middle of the
second-from-right (facing the stage) section?   Which way do the seat
numbers go?  Is this too many questions? :-)

Josh

I don't think that was feedback!  from my loooooooooong shot distance, he
was using his whammy bah and probably cranking the tone up at the same
time to get that scrrreeeetch!




last night's show was a BLOCKBUSTER opener for a fall tour.  it is gonna
be a hard one to ante up to for the rest of the run, imo... if they
get better, this _could_ be a _big_ turnaround for the band....

HIGHlights:

- TLEO, deb's have song and not one i've heard a lot.  deb melts when they
	play this....

- maggie->cumberland....           AWESOME>..  transition was like none other
	so smooth and seemless... the dead were in the GROOVE hahd, no question.

- china->rider... hot... happening, you can always count on the boys to get
	this right...and get the place ROCKIN'

- woman... hadda run out and grab some h20 for deb, who was not feeling well.
	did miss much,... sounded hot.

- UJB... that was a bonus... ok, but, all i remember is the one from 3-24-90
	at albany that will always be hahd to beat.

- standing on the mooon!!!!!!!!  ya mon!!!!!


and, for the encore, JB GOODE... the dead didn't even let up on the encore!!!
the just knocked us on the floor...!  much better encore that mellow tunes
like knockin' ...


ready for 2nite!

    while flippin' from news broadcast to braodcast, I heard some news on
    56 that this is not the last run in the boston Garden, McNally said
    they were gonna try and squeesssssse in one next fall...when is the
    tore down date anyway ?

    
    Look at what you guys did....got me laughin outloud!
    
    Someone please take that whammy bah
    right off of Bob's midi guitah
    Cause when their playing Corrinah
    The feedback makes me wanna run to my cah!
	

    re tore down date...they will be dropping a puck in there in fall of
    95...maybe they will leave the ole' one up for the transition period...
    Why is it every time i see a china->rider, aside from the rfk this
    summah, jerry messes up the 2nd or 3rd verse?
    this really isn't a challenging song lyrically...anyone else bothered
    by this?
    should i just deal and accept it?
    chris

    another question, what time do they open the doors ? I got obsturted
    tix and I wanna get 1st crack at some good upgrades for custama service

re:              <<< Note 423.35 by BINKLY::DEMARSE "Enjoy being" >>>
                              -< quickie review >-

>    Stood behind the stage at the very top last row of the stadium.....had
>    lots of dancing room and I really like it behind there...one thing that
>    I noticed which I wish I hadn't was the ceiling!  YUCK!	 It's hairy
>    and scary...

C'mon, Danielle.  You were at Woodstock :-)

I hate the stadium level because you can't see anything and the sound is
blocked by the overhang.  You need to be in the first 5 or 6 rows for a decent
view/sound.

I thought it seemed much more crowded this year than last.  I can remember
going behind the stage several nights last year and finding one or two seats
open around sec. 74.  Last night we tried to move around and check out a
different vantage point but there was absolutely nothing to be had in the whole
place!  People were everywhere and there were no free seats.  The surfaces that
the lights shone upon were blocking the behind-the-stage view a lot worse than
last year.  Looks like I'll be in my assigned seats every day this year.

Uncle John's was great, with an awesome "7" jam at the end.  Johnny B Goode had
both my feet off the ground at times (no small feat for me)

I'm getting in early tonight!  I missed the first 2 songs yesterday (we got a
late start on the road).

adam

At first I thought it was Bobby playing feedback boy on Corrina but then I 
noticed Vince stretching for real high notes at that point and figured 
perhaps it was him if Cutler had him off in the mix or something.

don't know about the hairy things in the ceiling, but the ceiling is 
covered with a product called tectum. It's about 1/2" thick and has 
fiberglas stranding in it which make it look veiny, even for a distance. It 
was originally white but enough smoke, dirt, humidity, etc. make it look 
like regurgitated fiber cereal or worse.

>Can someone(s) please update the BG seating map in 18.14?
>In particular, whats the deal with the floor sections?

i thought i told this to you at the commonwealth.  the map is wrong.  there
are 4 sections:  AA on vince's side to DD on phil's side.  seat numbers go
in the same direction as the letters.

does anyone else who was on the floor last night (and in 91 and/or 93) think
that they squeezed more rows onto the floor than in previous years?  i really
don't remember feeling as cramped as i was last nite.

- rich

    Adam,
    
    i had been thinking that too (seemed more crowded i mean)...  kind of a
    bummer...  at one point i was actually hoping to see the aisle nazis
    come and cut us some slack...  our balcony section was much too
    crowded!  too many people in the aisles and spilling into our seats...
    
    made me think "i wish they wouldn't sell as many seats as they do"...
    i wonder, if they sold fewer behind stage and obstructed view seats
    (since no one sits there typically) how much more comfy it would be?
    
    					da ve

      Some interesting tidbits from the Dupree's Diamond News:
    
    Bobby and his sister have a 2nd children's book coming out in the 
    spring....title is "Bayu Bay"
    
    Mickey has a new disc of Indonesian music coming out
    
    The Boys are going into the studio in late fall to start work on 
    their next album
    
    The Vault 3 will be out before Dick's Picks 2 because Dick's 
    selection of something from '77 got shot down and Vault 3 ( a Phil/
    Cutler production) looks like it may be something from Europe '72
    
    Also for those that didn't know...Rob Wasserman fell off the stage at
    Woodstock and broke his arm...

    RE:  Last night's show
    
    I also liked the whooooooooosshhhing noises produced during space.....
    
    whooooooooooooooooooooooosssssshhhhhh  shoooooowwwwwhhooooossshhhhh
    
    pretty cool

  Well, I'm not sure that last night was the best show I've been to, but it
was easily the best show I've SEEN, if you take my meaning, if you catch my
drift.  I'll start at the start and wander around to the end, and hopefully
not take up too much diskspace ;-)
  Left the house about 5:20 and took the pike all the way in to Copely.
Nice fairly empty $7.00 parking lot down the road a bit past the hotels
and plaza.  From there it was a 5 minute walk to the T stop by the Boston
Public Library, and the green line to North Station.  Getting off the T 
the stairs emptied into one of the lines going in, so we just got in line and
were inside by 7pm or so.  Very light pat down searches, and Amy didn't have
a handbag or anything so they didn't even bother with her. Grabbed some
icecream after hitting the port-o-sans (kind of unusual inside the building,
but useful in the Garden) and looked for the entrance to the floor.  Very
inconspicuous door led us to the loge level and then downwards.  Got some 
directions from the ticket checkers, but we were pretty sure we knew where
the seats were ;-)  We got to them by 7:15 and found two big guys with cameras
standing right in front of our chairs.  After a bit Amy asked them if they 
planned on hanging out there all night!  As she put it "I'm short, and I'm 
sick, and these are the best seats I've had in twenty years!"  They were 
fairly good about it and it turns out they had 1st row in AA.  Which I 
sympathized with, because their seats were basically in the floor bank of
speakers to stage right!  Someone asked if the floor seemed more packed 
then in previous years.  Hard to say, since I've never been on the floor 
in the Garden before, but from our aisle seats in BB, I could basically reach 
out and touch the corner of the speaker bank which appeared to be about 10
feet high.  About 3 or 4 feet in front of us, was a black wooden wall about 
waist high, behind which the stage bouncers were sitting to make sure noone
rushed the stage.  It seems to me that having been in the balcony behind
stage a few years ago (not last year) that there was more space in front,
but that may have just been perspective.  Certainly the first few rows in 
AA and DD might as well be considered obstructed view. 
   Just about everyone in the first few rows had their cameras with them.
I know I did!  I think I might have gotten a few good shots, including 
one Bob shot in mid-spit!  I used up a whole roll (could have easily 
used more, but only brought the one) and put it in for processing today,
so I'll let you know if there are any good ones.  I'm a fairly decent
photographer, but haven't had a lot of experience/luck in previous
indoor events.  The press photographers (the ones with the BIG lenses)
were let in front of the wall in front of us for the first 3 or 4 songs,
and then were hustled out, leaving us with noone in front for the rest 
of the night.  Funny watching them.  All clustering around in front of us
jockeying for position.  Then, on cue, after about 2 songs, they rushed
over to the other side of the stage to concentrate on that angle.
We had good views of just about everybody except Mickey and Bill, who
were hidden behind the drum sets.  Great views of Jerry and Vince, as our seats
put us just a bit to the right of Vince's setup.   
   So, how was the show?  Well, I had a great time.  I think the night before
might have had a better show from the description, but overall I was 
pleased.  "Let the Good Times Roll" seemed a bit slow for a opener, 
but was decent.  We started to really get into it with "Bertha" which
has been a particular favorite of Amy's since the early 80's.  At her
first job in Boston, Amy had a co-worker named Bertha whom she was not
particularly fond of, and who was a source of aggravation for her more than
a few times, so the chant of "Bertha don't you come around here anymore!"
really hits home!...

   Time to go out to lunch for my boss's going away party.  More later!!!


PeterT

    	As the day started out it looked like it was gonna be just another
    freakin' crummy day in New England...but as the FOG burned off and the
    bright sun peeked through, it started to look up ! After getting my
    system together and running I logged in to see the night before's set
    list....hummmm one hot show by the list and by what others were saying.
    Could they do two in a row ?  I went home at 2ish, had a brew watched
    the weather channel to see if the rain was gonna come back....took a
    nap....Jen got home and we had a quick bite to eat and hit the road by
    4ish.....pulled into State St. parking lot ($7, with a $2 off
    validation from any Quincy Market store) at 4:58.....hit the money
    machine in the nice marbell lobby :') and started the short walk to the
    Garden.....met up with Geoff Keller in the street as he handed out
    Slipknot flyers (which Jen and I offered to do inside the show) so got
    one thing outta the way (getting the flyers) and off the the
    Commonwealth for some beers.....Met Jay and his friend Roz at the
    bar....then saw Josh at a table...Joined him and his friend Eric (?)
    who was not taping the show for a change I guess....then a few things
    seem a bit hazey but Probs join in with a co-worker (?)....after 3
    Burtons Jen and I felt it was time to go hand out flyers....Rich Fromm
    and Jeff Maggard took our seats and we ran into FOG at the bottom of
    the stairs....after howdies we left...down one street up another and
    bang we run into FOG again ! he tells us he is going in NOW ! so we
    figured to HEAD in too...no waiting and they didn't take my Granolla
    bar away !!!!! swaped out seats and went to check them out. not bad not
    at all....FOG takes off (we never see him again)....after a little time
    who sits down next to us...Eric (?) Josh's friend who by the way is not
    tapeing the show for some odd reason.......then Josh shows up and much
    to his surprize he can't believe we got seats next to his....then I
    turn around and there is Deane-O and a couple friends (I believe one
    was a laywer, right?).....OK this is too cool ! lites go down at
    @730ish...the band hits the stage a few minute later and off into Let
    the Good times roll...yea-ha ! Jerry looks good and sound even better !
    Vince has come along way (but in my heart I rilly miss Brent) Bobby is
    still mister Rock and Roll star :') Phil is still Phil, a constant rock,
    Billy and Mickey strong as always....Bertha was wonderful ! a good
    greatest, and a West LA (a treat, haven't heard one in years) El Paso
    was OK...lazy was alright....Eternity was funky jamming, you could
    smell it ! 1st time for me (tape me please !) DoughKnees was lots of
    fun !
    
    took a quick walk at the break got some water ($2 a bottle, at least it
    was cold)
    
    	I heard Victum revin' and was hyped for it !!! and was not
    disappointed...Foolish was like gas on a fire !....Looks like rain was
    nice....Samba was different but I guess I gotta hear it a few more time
    for it to melt in....the Jerry/Drums jam was cool....Space was well
    Space....Wheel was nice surge into Miracle (this even got a few cops
    boogien')...Black Peter was good (I still cringe when I hear it though,
    spring '87 in worcester always comes to mind :')) I didn't expect to
    hear Lovelite and was up dancing my butt off !!!! when Baby Blue
    started Jen and I felt it was time to beat the rush for air (which I
    was lacking dearly !) and headed out to the cool air in the streets.
    
    	Stopped by the Beanpot to tell Geoff of the success Jen and I had
    handing out flyers in the tunnel coming up into the garden ! while
    doing this we met lots of friends :') and a former DEChead Bob Rose and
    he was jazzed to know that Knot was playing later ! also Geoff was
    happy to tell me that he found me a Monday ticket !!!! now what a
    better way to top of a great show but with the promise of going to
    another in a few days :')
    
    Jen and I trucked back to the car and were back home tucked into bed by
    12:30 dreaming happy dreams....
    
    Chris

just picked up my pictures from Tuesday's show. If anyone what's to see 
pictures of the boyz [and the back of Deane's head :-)] stop by. ZKO1-3

jeff

    
    Good show last night!
    
    This is a family notesfile, so I will not elaborate on the pre-show
    sights I witnessed....but wow!  I think the famed "Highgate Bonfire
    Girl" came down to Boston yesterday.  
                                                      
    1st set was a rage!  It was short n' sweet, but right to the point!
    
    Good Times went by very fast.  Bertha and Greatest Story were like
    a freight train blasted through the arena.  Things got tropical.  
    West LA was unexpected...I didn't intend on hearing that, a treat!  
    El Paso was classic.  Very good Lazy River Road....that song is in 
    the same groove as Peggy-O.  I actually enjoyed Eternity. Sounded 
    grate!  Don't Ease was short and sweaty.  I wished the 1st set 
    was longer.
    
    2nd set.  Called the Victim opener during the break...the girl behind
    me was like "no, no, not Victim, they won't play that".  Sure enough
    they did, but I explained to her that usually after a Victim opener,
    the rest of the show is good, and it was.  Foolish Heart, one of 
    may fav's.  Things got pretty tropical during the foolish-jam in my
    section.  LLR could have been better, IMO. Jerry was playing too much 
    with the Sleeping-on-a-beach-in-Hawaii sound.  Samba, as Chris said, I 
    need to hear again.  Wheel, Miracle, Black Peter and Lovelight all seemed 
    flawless and played with vigor.  Baby Blue helped me get cooled off a 
    little.
    
    Overall, good show.  *IT* came by a couple times to visit, but didn't
    stay too long.  Good workout the past 2 nights but  I'm taking a break
    til Monday...see ya'll then!  

Let's see, left off with Bertha.  The other highlights of the first set
were Eternity which had a real decent jamming section in it, and Dough Knees.
One thing that Amy noticed that I didn't, probably because I was trying
to get camera shots, was that Bob kept throwing Jerry these weird
looks, like "where are you going with that" type of thing.  This was 
just for the first set though.  El Paso was OK, but not memorable, though
I did make sure to get at least one picture of Bob on acoustic.  Lazy River
Road was a bit unfamiliar to me and needs more listening to make a judgement
on.  And let's not forget the fashion report!  The crowd pleaser (shocker?)
of the night was Jer in a pair of black shorts!  They appeared to be loose
sweatsuit like material, accompanied with black T shirt (tm) and black
loafers (looked kind of like lounging slippers).  Bob was in shorts also,
and it was obvious who had the better legs ;-)  But Jerry's were thinner
then I thought they would be, though he still has the pot belly. Hopefully the
film will reveal all,   
   After Don't Ease, the lights came up for the break and after sitting 
around for a bit, we decided to roam around a little bit.  Shortly ran into
and met some other DECheads.  Todd Nicholson, and not too far away, Dave
Levy.  I hadn't met either before, and it was nice to attach faces to names.
Dave did look vaguely familiar though, and after a bit of interrogation
we managed to establish that Dave was my Phantom Flasher ;-)  (A month
or two ago I had written how some guy in a grey car with lots of stickers
on the back had passed me on 495 and waved and flashed his DEC badge 
at me as he passed.  He didn't pipe up last time, but now I know who it
was!)  Continued to roam a bit looking in the taper section for
Mystery and his friend who wanted to trade seats with me for a few songs
to take HIS pictures.  Didn't see them, but today I found Jim thought
I had the front row tickets for Saturday, so maybe it wouldn't have
worked anyway.  Amy had headed back to our seats, though I thought she was 
still following me and I spent a bit of time looking for her ;-) 
Ran into Danielle, another first in person intro, and mentioning that
I had run into Levy and Nicholson, she followed me over to where they 
were sitting.  Danielle, something I thought of after I headed back
to my seat:  How's that Woodstock review coming!?!  C'mon, it's only
been a month or more ;-)
   Headed back to the front, and sat waiting for another 20 minutes or
so for the break to end.  Amy had to thank the security person near us,
for being able to keep the area fairly clear, ("I'm sick and I'm short
and I've waited 20 years...")  I must admit, there was one thing about 
being right up front that had it's drawbacks, trying to be inconspicuous ;-)
Ah well, trade offs.  Security was fairly cool though, at least by us.
One guy right behind me was toking away on a joint during the 1st set and 
security caught  him.  They took the joint from him, stubbed it out, and 
about 30 seconds later, handed him BACK the joint(!), saying "Save this for later".
Not a bad attitude.
   The lights went out for the 2nd set and everybody cheered and nothing 
happened!  There seemed to be little correlation between the lights going
out and the boys coming back.  Eventually they did, but it was a few minutes
after the lights, and then another few minutes of noodling away.  Saw Bob
and Jerry talking at one point and Bob laughing at it.  Jerry seemed to be
having some problem with his guitar as he kept fussing with the controls.
Mickey and Bill got bored and started pounding out a beat.  Eventually 
Bob started twanging away, and it eventually turned into Victim as Jerry
finally got some things together.  This was followed by a very hot 
Foolish Heart.  This just jammed away with everyone getting into it.
Noticed one vocal flub, I think, something along the lines of 
"a Foolish heart is Bad, but a Foolish heart is worse."  Eh?  I might
have just misheard.  LLR followed, not bad, but I've seen a lot and this
wasn't a stand out.  Samba in the Rain will take some additional listenings,
but Vince was well into it.  I think it was here that it ended, and things 
just stopped.  Then Bob pointed (pointedly ;-) at the drummers and put
down his guitar and walked backstage with Phil right behind.  But 
Jerry had something else in mind, and stayed on with his back towards us
and started into a heavy jam with the drummers and Vince stayed on as
well.  It sort of reminded me of the Hornsby/drummers Jam of a few years
back at one of my previous Boston shows. Well, the circumstances, if not
the similarities of the jam.  Vince eventually reached the end of what
he had to contribute, kind of threw his hands up, laughed and headed backstage.
Jerry eventually did much the same, but a bit more quietly, and Bill and 
Mickey were left to their devices.  And what devices!  The beat just
kept building and building until BOOM, the whole building shook with a 
few extra low loud notes that we could just feel through our whole bodies.
At this point, I noticed Mickey looking out at the audience and giving this
wicked little smile!  ("hey, how was that ;-)  Things then progressed to
the beam and more body rattling.  After a while it got to be where I couldn't
see anybody on stage but I could still hear things going on.  From previous
behind stage views, I've seen times where Bill and Mickey have actually left
the stage, but some software loop or something is continueing on this 
wicked beat.  Seemed like it might have happened again (or maybe I was
just hallucinating those other times ;-) but finally Bob came back and
started spacing, and then Jerry, and then Phil joined in, and then 
Vince came back.  I love drums and space and this was a fairly good one.
Eventually it coalesced into something recognizable, which turned out
to be the Wheel. And then things flowed smoothly and powerfully through
Miracle.  Black Peter seems to have some sort of fix on me, though I 
can't quite pin it down ;-) and Lovelight left us trim and burning.
Finally down to the encore and It's All over Now, Baby Blue, one of 
my favorites.  The place was still jamming after the last notes faded
but eventually they had to turn on the lights.  

So how was it up front?  Nice....

The sound was a bit muddy, but not that bad.  Being towards the center a bit
more might have been better as there were a few speakers below the
stage but behind the security wall centerstage, but I can't be too
picky.  We had the speakers just on the right of us, and directly overhead
were the catwalks with the speakers hanging off of them.  Interesting at
one point to notice sneakers overhead.  Turns out many of the spots 
for the boys are manned by a crew sitting in the catwalks.  Must be an
interesting perspective!  All in all a very favorable time.  The pinnacle of
our deadhead career, as Amy noted at one point.  I'd do it again ;-)

Well, time to do something else today!

PeterT

Fashion Report Sweet Part II,

>sweatsuit like material, accompanied with black T shirt (tm) and black
>loafers (looked kind of like lounging slippers).  Bob was in shorts also,

Yup, Jer was wearing comfy looking black Chinese slippers, NO socks.

>and it was obvious who had the better legs ;-)  But Jerry's were thinner
>then I thought they would be, though he still has the pot belly. Hopefully the

Remember, Jerry goes scuba diving.  Might be the reason for the improved
body tone :-)

Josh

> Remember, Jerry goes scuba diving.  Might be the reason for the improved
> body tone :-)

That occured to me.  Thinish legs and a pot belly are what you might
expect of scuba diving.  I've been in the water a lot and seen this
on the older swimmers.
Interestingly the Dead backstage folk had passes with the international
scuba sign on it.  Remember that Bill is also heavy into scuba.

Hey Deano, were you sitting on Phil's side almost even with 
the front of the stage about 15 or so rows off the floor?  Spotted
another DEChead shirt up there and it looked like it might have been
you.  But I thought you got a buzz cut, and if so, man, your hair grows
fast!

PeterT

    
    That was me o'er there in section 3!!!! :-)
    
    Me hair is get'n long now! 
   

      Oh, yea.......last night was the best of the 1st three shows IMHO!!!
    Plenty of "IT" for me last night....
    
            :-) daveB_very_tired_but_very_content

    Yes daveb,
    yes it was.......
    :^)
    sssssssssmokinnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Yowza....that 2nd set looks like a real classic
    
    Wes_looking_forward_to_Monday_and_prayin'_for_a_Terrapin

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!  :-(

<smack> Stupid  <smack> stupid  <smack> stupid  <smack> stupid!!!! <smack>

I'm never blowing off another Dead show. <smack>
I'm never blowing off another Dead show. <smack>
I'm never blowing off another Dead show. <smack>
I'm never blowing off another Dead show. <smack>
I'm never blowing off another Dead show. <smack>
I'm never blowing off another Dead show. <smack>
I'm never blowing off another Dead show. <smack>
I'm never blowing off another Dead show. <smack>

And another <smack> for good measure, dammit!



Boy does that setlist look GA-ROOOOOOOVIN!!! :-)

I hope at least somebody got some good use of my extra ticket!


- jeff_gonna_haveta_getta_tape,_set_up_the_laser,_crank_it_up_to_120dB,
  _and_live_my_own_personal_reality_of_that_show_at_a_later_date!!!

	Since I missed the show and can't offer any input about it I'll comment
on those backstage passes that PeterT talked of. I just wanted to say that,
contrary to popular US belief, the red flag with a white line across it is not
The international divers flag. Though popular in the US, it really is not a true
diver's flag. The true International symbol to announce the presence of diving 
activity is the A flag, half white with a blue end shaped like this __
                                                                   |__<

	I'd rather have something to say about the show. But they saved the 
scarlet->fire, Dark Star->St.Stephen for us on Saturday! Yah that's it!

Thanks
Geoff

I thought the first set was pretty lame on whole.  Yeah, there were some spots,
but it didn't go much for me.  The second set started a little shaky, but
quickly got in a groove.  Excellent song selection and very good vocal 
performances.  For me, the second set WAS the show.  I Fought the Law, for me,
was like a return to the first set.

No crowd at the Slipknot show.  Got a table in the back with a great view
of the band.  I like these guys.

Jim

    Quick note on the major hassle I went through getting in last night (I
    think I was frisked by someone from the same school as the one who got
    you the other night D). This guy really ticked me off! Headed in at
    about 7:00 with a bunch of friends - nice &  easy getting through for them
    but when it got to be my turn...
    
    I had a jean jacket on and a fanny-pack and this guy made me empty out
    every pocket I had. Jean jacket, pants pockets, fanny-pack you name
    it. "What's in here?" - "Notebook and pen" - "Take it out"
    "What's in here?" - "Chewing gum" - "Take it out"
    "What's in here?" - "A wad of toilet paper" - "Take it out"
    "Look man I don't have anything!!!"
    "What's in here? - take it out"...  Gimme a friggin' break man.
    Meanwhile the guys I'm with get in with a couple shot bottles in their
    socks and never get touched. Finally after all my belongings were on
    the ground he musta been satisfied and let me through - thanks for
    screwing up my whole organization system pal! Now I gotta put all this
    serious contraband back where it belongs.
    
    So I guess the moral of the story is be careful there's a couple of
    real anal security guards at the gates. First night I found one outta
    the 3 so far - but just goes to show they're there.
    
    BTW - he apparently doesn't know about the secret little compartment in
    the back of most fanny-packs! ;^);^);^)
                 

    Guard says to me on the way in that alley way entrance side door thing
    as he points to my raiders lid, "AHHHHH What's under here?"
    "MMMMMMMM, being the gambling man i am i would say , HAIR?"
    what is up with that?
    

    
    Last night was a pretty damn jammin evening.  Many beautiful pockets
    of brilliance.  Preety nice jammin in the 1st set, 2nd set was a smoker. 
    
    	Mark

    I didn't think last night had the energy that Tuesday night had, but
    then again, neither did I! ;-)
    
    I really enjoyed the show - nice seat, nice song selection, nice
    weather outside too...but Tuesday is still #1 for me...
    
    I'm pooped.
    
    tim
    

i definitely caught *IT* last nite during Eyes.

2nd set last nite (minus the encore) was the best of the run so far for me.

- ricH

Damn, I dunno if I should review the show HERE or in the show review note!

Almost all tunes played were from my group of favorites.
Pretty good seat, on the first row up from the aisle between lode and stadium,
behind the taper section - great view of the light show.  

Still something is bugging me about the sound.  Phil just isn't
the solid presence he was last year.  Is it better on the floor?
Also, a lot really is lost because of the mono mix.  

After Bucket, I thought Sugaree was gonna be next, but Jerry slowed things
down with Peggy-O.  I think they got in the groove with Ramble On Rose,
Masterpiece, and BEW.  

The Eyes was played with the slowest tempo I might have personally ever heard 
them do - very close to the '74 versions!  This was quite nice, and a 
real pleasant change from the too-fast way they usually go it.  
Jerry broke a string!  Bobby carries the show!  Bobby plays a lead!
Big roar from the crowd when Jer returned to his mike, after changing his
string while Bobby jammed and jammed and jammed and jammed all by his
lonesome self!    I think Jer fumbled the lyrics when he got back to the
mike - right?
Eyes slide right into a slow-tempoed Estimated.  We were treated to a
take-no-prisoners full-fledged Bobby Eagle 
	HAHHHHHHHHH!!!!
	HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
	NAAA NAAA NAAA HHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Space got into that symphonic atonal Phil-led thing that Phil did on Tuesday.
Interesting stuff!  Embolded Bobby, having a taste of playing lead, did 
some more during space.  And he seems to have gotten his whammy-bar jones
a bit more under control :-), he did some nice whammy work in Space.
A very clearly demarcated Spanish Jam set up the obvious seque into the Other
One.  _Another_ jerry ballad (wharf rat), when the Sugar Mag that Bobby was
saving his voice for.  And I still like IFTL encoure!

Nice lightshow - I like the stuff up on the projection screen.  Some of
what they show should be illegal :-)   During Estimated, the seen-before
fast-motion clouds, but overlaid on regular-speed waves on a beach 
(the burning shore!), and with spacey effects.  During the Other One, 
a weird shot of ? a religious shrine - figures of saints?, with incense
smoke puffing periodically.  Fit the music real well, actually!

During the encore (or was it sugar mag?) they showed on-the-street video 
of the Deadheads, and of some of the eating/drinking establishments in the
Garden/Fanual Hall area.  The Oyster House, etc.  Didn't show the Brewery 
though ! :-)

Being on the first row on up from the aisle was wierd.  Most of the time
the redjackets kept it pretty clear, which made for good viewing.
Other times, and especially during the break, it would be sooo crammed with
people it was like watching an overloaded subway train at rush hour, that
wasn't moving too fast, and that had no side walls, so you could see all the
people.

josh

    
    	FYI, Josh, I counted 6 Eagles in Estimated, and 6 more in
    Sugar Magnolia, I will have to listen to the tapes to confirm the
    last 6, though.
    
    

    he did a few eagles on Wed too...in lovelite, ah mister RnR star :')
    
    but has he jump to the front of the stage doing power cords yet ?
    this is a sure sign of rockstar status !

    >>but has he jump to the front of the stage doing power cords yet ?
    
    several times last night during esto and sugar mags. gotta love it!

    The Cheese Meter was on high last night.....

I think I mentioned that the sound was a bit muddy in the front, but
I don't recall if I mentioned that ear plugs were not at all necessary,
at least in that row.  Some of the stage security had them in though.
Little plastic foam plugs that were a bit florescent.  Some of the lights
must have had some low UV spectrum in them.  Funny to see a mostly dark
face with glowing spots coming out of their ears!

They checked our tickets 2 to 3 times during the first set.  Didn't 
bother during the 2nd.  I was beginning to feel like I should ask them
to punch my ticket so they'd know it was already done before ;-)
(Have your tickets ready!  Next stop Terrapin!)

PeterT

Between Drums and Space, there was a good 2-3 minutes when there was
NO ONE on stage (that I could see, anyway), yet there was plenty of 
noise coming from the PA.  Now I know that the Bralove/soundboard run
MIDI samples, but this stuff sounded like it was being made live.
That is, it sounded like someone hitting a keyboard or drumpads to make the 
sounds.  Like the sounds Mikey makes when he's at his drumpads.
But there's no kb at the soundboard.  So, how/where was all this sound
coming from?  It did not sound like a 3 minute pre-canned sample.

Josh

	From what I saw behind stage last nite, Micky pounds out a bunch
	of beats on one of his electronic toys, which continue after he
	has left the stage. At least that's what it looked like to me.
	
	Jay

>Between Drums and Space, there was a good 2-3 minutes when there was
>NO ONE on stage (that I could see, anyway), yet there was plenty of 
>noise coming from the PA.

i've also noticed continuing sounds beyond drums on numerous occasions.  i
just assumed it was digital delay and other such tricks.

- rich

    Isn't there actually a third person joining in the drumz and space
    menagerie?
    i remember seeing a keyboard/controller behind the  kettle drums
    in back of mickey

re:  <<< Note 423.79 by SALEM::LEBLANC "ONE in 10,000 that come fer the SHOW" >>>
>                             -< A third partner? >-

>    Isn't there actually a third person joining in the drumz and space
>    menagerie?
>    i remember seeing a keyboard/controller behind the  kettle drums
>    in back of mickey

Yes.  After spending a night or two behind the stage, it is plain to see that
there is a guy behind the drums that plays a keyboard and related equipment. 
I'd say most of the noise you hear during drums comes from that third person
(in addition to Mickey and Billy :-)).

adam

I've seen that (and even mentioned it it my long note if you track it down).
Yeah there does appear to be someone behind the scenes, but I had thought that
part of the noonethere effect was some sort of digital delay building upon
itself in some sort of pre-established pattern.  But then, what do I know ;-)

PeterT

      In Nassau this past spring, I had seats right on top of the stage
    and there was definitely a third person banging the drums from behind..
    sorta alternating beats with Mickey....I don't think he does that every
    show tho....

round 1 is over, the ranking stands at Tues, Thur, Weds for me.  Sat is my
last stop... Tues is gonna be hahd to top.

anyways... last night... 15th row, BB... last row in the front section.  not
too bad 'cuz you can shove the seats back to increase dancing room.  tim_G
was on the end, i was about 3 in from there...  

>     Hell in a Bucket
>     Peggy-o
>     Wang Dang Doodle
>     Ramble on Rose
>     Masterpiece (Bob on acoustic)
>     Brown-eyed women
>     Let it Grow

during tuneup, i called Hellina Bucket.  i always like this song, espec.
when they follow it by sugaree, which didn't happen....but, i'll take
peggy-o.  it was kinda funny, jerry got pissed at the position of him
microphone at one point.  he was tossing it around a bit trying to get it
into position.  he was a bit steamed, it looked, anyways... eventually he
had it in position... kinda funny watching whip it around, shake it, and
get it right...  b-e womon,,, one of my faves!!!  overall, good strong
1st set.

>     Playin' in the Band>
>     Eyes>
>     Estimated prophet>
>     He's Gone
>     D/S
>     Spanish Jam
>     Other one>
>     Wharf rat>
>     Sugar Mag
 
playin' ... one of m faves, but, they just didn't get "IT" going with it!
the jam only went on for 5 mins... which is the typical length of time they
boyz give the jam to materialize.  if it doesn't get rippin within 5, they
cut it and move on....kinda like last night.  eyes was pretty good, but not
really really rippin'...  excelent sort of exploratory jam before jerry
cut in w/ the vocals.  otherone was pretty good! other one itself is an
intense song.  sugar mag... ROCK STAR!!  i hadda crack up... i'm waiting for
jerry to do the rock star thing!  oh, he's gone!  the vocal fun they had
at the end was _very_ entertaining!!!  probably took some practice for them
to pull it off... i think i counter 3 simultaneous vocal streams at one
time, sorta mind blowing 'cuz ya don't know who to focus on... fun.
   
>    E: I fought the Law
 
i like the song, but uneventful compared to tues' JB Goode.    

Got my pics back.  Mixed bag.  I used Kodak 200ASA and had my 70-210 zoom
opened all the way to f4.  Alternated between 1/30th and 1/60th speed.
For anybody who wants to follow this up, 1/60th looks like the better
bet for that speed film.  1/30th is a bit washed out, even though my
internal meter seems to like it better (but in a concert situation, you
can't really trust that too much).  Some came out pretty good but no 
contest winners. Probably about 1/3rd came out blurred due to motion
on my or the bands part (though more likely me, or someone jostling me
at just the wrong moment ;-)  Only one picture of Mickey (though it looks
like I did a bad picture of Jerry who's in the center and out of focus).
No pictures of Bill as he was behind a plexiglass barrier from my 
view (transparent, but catching reflections from Mickeys side.)
Jerry in his shorts is well captured though ;-)

PeterT

	i got pics also. from the 3rd row, using 1000 speed film and a
	70-230 f4 varying shutter speeds of 1/30 1/60 1/125. got some
	grate shots. one of jerry definitely frameable. good shots of
	micky, phil, and bobby too. jerry has the best lighting, bobby
	next and phil occasionally. vince is hard to catch, imo. soft
	lighting. bill was screened from my view. :-(

re:<<< Note 423.84 by QUARRY::petert "rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty" >>>

>Got my pics back.  Mixed bag.  I used Kodak 200ASA and had my 70-210 zoom
>opened all the way to f4.  Alternated between 1/30th and 1/60th speed.
>For anybody who wants to follow this up, 1/60th looks like the better
>bet for that speed film.  1/30th is a bit washed out, even though my

Peter, 200 ASA?!?!  I would have never even attempted it!   And at 1/60th no
less?   Your light meter probably wasn't satisfied with the exposure setting,
right?   But you took the pix anyway and they came out!  I'm interested in
seeing the results.

re:    <<< Note 423.85 by STOWOA::JOLLIMORE "The sound of one child crying" >>>

>	i got pics also. from the 3rd row, using 1000 speed film and a
>	70-230 f4 varying shutter speeds of 1/30 1/60 1/125. got some
>	grate shots. one of jerry definitely frameable. good shots of

Jay, you must have gotten some relatively sharp pix at 1/125.

When I had front row at Giants in 91 and 92 I had my f4 35-135 zoom, with 1000
speed film.  A 210 or 230 telephoto would have been nice!  I got some good pix,
mostly from 1991, but most of them are just black around the edges, with the
subject (whoever had the stage lights shining on them) the only thing
adequately lit.  1/30 is pushing it, IMO, in terms of sharpness.  Perhaps if
I'm ever in the situation again, I'd ignore the light meter and just take a
shot at 1/125 and hope the film's under-exposure latitude gives me a visible
image.

How was the light on the stage?  At Giants, with 1000 ASA, my light meter
constantly wanted f2.8, and sometimes f4.

Last year I bought a used 135mm f2.8 lens for $50 just for this purpose.  I
haven't had front row seats yet, though :-)

I'm interested in seeing each of your pix and "talking shop".

adam_photog

Did someone call? :-)

I've been getting in pretty late for the weekday shows (what else is new?). 
Tuesday I went in with someone who worked until 6, so we ended up missing the
first 2 songs.  The next 2 days, left a little earlier and managed to get in
just in time.  Those lines getting into the Garden really suck!

Saturday I'm in the 18th row of BB and I'll be meeting my companion at the
Commonwealth at 4 pm.  Finally I'll be able to relax before the show!

see ya,

adam

    where the hell are the setlists for Sat & Sun ? 
    
    
    yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !
    
    outta here very soon....

    I second that Emote shon
    
    YYEEOOWWAAHHHHHH
    
    Wes_needs_tonights_show_in_the_worst_post_Quantum_way

    sounds like a DARK STAR tonite !

I'm burnt.  got the tour flu, staying home and resting today.
Gonna try for the show.
Best boogieing last night to Row Jimmy Row and Aiko.
After Aiko the set really seemed to fall apart for everyone up in the 
balcony around where I was.  Not just me cause I was tired and sick, but
looking around I could see that the tunes just weren't capturing people
like Aiko did.
I liked That Would Be Something (a Paul McCartney song, correct?) 

A lot more crowd noise audible up in the balc.

A couple of things gotta come together for me to really enjoy a show:
. playing tunes I like :-)
. good sound
. some room to dance
. attending show with friends
. or if not sitting with friends, a friendly, into-the-music crowd right
  around me.

Man I just don't like it when the Dead are cranking away on a fave tune
and I want to boogie, but I'm squashed in by big guys who just stand
there stock still.  It _really_ kills the mood for me.  I much prefer to
be in a crowd of dancing women. :-)  


No Sugaree yet!  No Unbroken Chain yet! :-)

Josh

    I'm starting to get tour flu as well :(
    
    I have a sore throat today...too much (cough cough) smoke in the garden
    ;')
    
    SUNDAY NIGHT:
    =============
    
    Last night I was sitting in the 3rd row.  Center.  Perfect seats. 
    
    But then --->  Mr. 6'5" comes walking over and sits in the seat DIRECTLY
    in front of me. :( :(
    
    I couldn't see a damn thing.  I was right in front of Jerry yet never
    saw Jerry.  The guy in front of me was freaking out and I'd lean over
    to one side to see some of the show and 6'5 would boogie over to that
    side.  I thought to myself, "That's ok, at least I'll see some of Drums
    and space."  Nah.  6'5 and his friend stood up and danced madly during
    drums and space.  and days between. 
    
    	I was also blowing bubbles (a la Lawrence Welk) during Drums and
    Space, but they all popped on Mr. 6'5.  Some guy behind me made the
    comment, "Well, at least you're washing his hair with that stuff..." :)
    A few bubbles landed on Jerry.  :-)  When I told this to my boyfriend
    after the show, he recommended not doing that again, just so that Jerry
    doesn't look up, see the bubble pop on him, and go into cardiac arrest. 
    (sigh)....
    
    	A few mental notes about the band, etc. I made last night (whenever
    6'5 leaned over to talk to his friend I was able to catch a glimpse of
    the band and what they looked like up close)...  
    
    -  Phil has a sweet 6 string bass and 2 thick cords coming out of it.  I'm
    not bass guitar literate, so does anyone know why there are 2 cords
    coming out of it?  He also kept fiddling with the mixing board (?) next
    to him.  He had the words of "Take the Ball and Go Home" taped to his
    mike.    
    
    -  Mickey had the giggles last night.  He was freaking!  Acting really
    giddy and weird.  It was kind of funny, actually....
    
    - Vince looked like he was about to freeze up, fall over his keyboard
    and die.  He looked tense. 
    
    - Ah yes what a true rumor about the Bobby spit.  Yuck!  It kept
    spraying into the front row...and I have now pinpointed what Bobby's
    hair reminds me of.  The Incredible Hulk.  Except his hair isn't green.
    
    But enough about what they looked like, I was really there for the
    music which was great, except I don't feel that last night's show had
    the energy that the other ones had.  The first four were wonderful,
    last night's was good.....
    
    I'm really psyched for tonight!  :):):)  Hopefully I'll be at the
    Commonwealth before the show ~ probably 6ish....
    
    :), d
         

    Danielle 
    from 101 in the balcony we could see those two dancing madly during
    drums and space...my buddies and i were dying as we watched em flail..
    they seemed to be the only 2 that were boogieing at that point

    At least Mr 6'5 was sheltering you from Bobby's, uh, drizzle :-)
    

>    I'm starting to get tour flu as well :(

Don't worry, "Jerry Saves", right? ;-)
    
>    	I was also blowing bubbles (a la Lawrence Welk) during Drums and

Who was doing up all the BALLOONS?   by Row Jimmy, 8 had been batted
onstage.  I thought it was great - makes the stage look more festive.
I had fun watching the balloons get blown around by the breezes and was 
waiting for Bob, Jer or Phil to kick one but I don't think they ever did.

>    doesn't look up, see the bubble pop on him, and go into cardiac arrest. 
Watching Jerry when he winds up the big heavy parts of his dirge ballads -
Black Peter (come and SEEE), Stella Blue (stella bluuu-uuuuuee), Standing on 
the Moon  (BE with YOU) - I realized what makes Jer look so convincingly
SCARY.  He gets a face that looks like he's about to eminantly expire from
a violent medical cause!

>    -  Phil has a sweet 6 string bass and 2 thick cords coming out of it.  I'm
>    not bass guitar literate, so does anyone know why there are 2 cords

I'd guess its a similar setup to Jerry, who also has 2 cord for his guitar.
The signal from the string pickups goes out one cord to his equipment rack
thru all his sound toys.  then back to the guitar and through (at least some
of the) control knobs and switches.  then back out to the main mixing board.
Wait that should be 3 cords.... :-)  well anyway there a lot of signals
going back and forth, and 1 cord's worth of a set of wire's just isn't enough.

>    hair reminds me of.  The Incredible Hulk.  Except his hair isn't green.
he's got a bit of a bald spot in back, too.  Well the man is 47 years old!

josh

    
    Last nights show was pretty slow for me.  The show just didn't seem
    to sustain much energy for any grate length of time.  Lowest energy 
    of the 4 I've seen so far.
    
    Saturday Night was a blockbuster!  It ranks right up there with my
    favorite shows.  I loved it.  
    
    	Mark

> Peter, 200 ASA?!?!  I would have never even attempted it!   And at 1/60th no
> less?   Your light meter probably wasn't satisfied with the exposure setting,
> right?   But you took the pix anyway and they came out!  I'm interested in
> seeing the results.

Yeah, 200 ASA.  I've used 1000 in the past and have been unsatisfied with the
grain.  Of course that was a while back, and maybe things have improved.
Much the same problem with 400 ASA, though the grain is much better here.
So I'd thought I'd see what the 200 could do.  Yeah, my light meter was unhappy,
but you have to make choices.  My camera is totally manual, with the meter
just a + 0 - indicator to show overexposure, just about right, underexposure,
with absolutely no control over speed or f stop.  I don't like having 
equipment that can overrule me!  Off course it does sort of force you to
go to things like 1/60th and 1/30th, neither or which I'm that thrilled
with, due to the unstableness of the setting (sans tripod).  But I can usually
hold fairly steady.  

> When I had front row at Giants in 91 and 92 I had my f4 35-135 zoom, with 1000
> speed film.  A 210 or 230 telephoto would have been nice!  I got some good pix,
> mostly from 1991, but most of them are just black around the edges, with the
> subject (whoever had the stage lights shining on them) the only thing
> adequately lit. 

Ah, but what more do you want?  In these types of situations, anything outside
the main subject is just distraction, in my opinion.  But I'd definitely be
willing to bring in and compare things.  Howabout an early afterwork meeting
at the Westford Regency and their beer selection? ;-)

PeterT

    I saw some pics yesterday, mostly of Jerry but one of Bobby and one of
    Vince and one of Micky,  from Shoreline that were grate! One shot Jerry
    is looking directly at the person taking the picture and snarling, like
    "Don't take my picture!" My other favorite pic I saw yesterday is a
    lower toros shot of Jerry, in red shorts with white Calvin Klien socks!
    You can see the CK on one sock. 
    
    ummmm, also picked up the first set of the Phil and Phriends Berkly
    benefit, all acoustic, that's pretty good for a stealth tape
    
    rfb

>    -  Phil has a sweet 6 string bass and 2 thick cords coming out of it.  I'm
>    not bass guitar literate, so does anyone know why there are 2 cords
>    coming out of it?

maybe one's a regular analog out and one's for MIDI?

- rich

Well, folks, thats IT!  No more Boston Garden shows for another year.

		"where they ever here at all?"

Seemed like a "thanks for being a great audience and a great town" kinda
song selection.  (Loose Lucy, Shakedown...).

josh

	And oh what a show it was! Last night was one hell of a show,
reminiscent of Albany '90 I feel. I was pretty thrilled to have been 
able to make it. 

Wowowowowwow.


	Wow!

    What time did the show get over last night? Thanks in advance.

    
    I think the show got out about 11:10 or so.   Nice show
    
    	Mark

    
    Hey Jay,
      Those are some nice shots I saw you with at the Commonwealth. Nice
    idea of sharing them :^)
    	Mark

Hey Jay, I know Adam had some questions about the shots I took.  Any interest
in getting a small group together after work one night to compare photo's
techniques, films used, beers?  Open to all of course.  I'm often critical
of my own work and can never be sure how they stand up to others.

PeterT

	PeterT,
	
	yeah, i'd be innerested. i'd love to see other's pictures. i like
	the 'beers' part too  ;-)
	
	Jay

i'd be interested as well. Shot a roll of ASA 1000 from the 18th row with 
fair to good results.

jeff

How's about a tentative (open to revision/suggestions) date of next Thursday at 
Westford (?) Regency after work?  The place fairly close to LKG with
a LARGE selection of brews?  Of course it's convienent for me cause
it's on my way home ;-)  But shouldn't be too far for Jeff, and don't
quite know how that is for you Jay, but I think you were there last
year for the pre-thanksgiving bash?

PeterT

	thurs next week at the regency is good for me.
	i'll be in tewksbury all day.
	i usually work in stow mon-thu and fri in mko/two.
	
	Jay

    
    I'd be up for the Regency Thursday.  I have an all day meeting at the
    Tuttle House in Littleton that day.   
    
    	Mark

    
    Hey, I'll pop by the Regency....now being an LKG man and all.

I'd love to compare photos.  The problem is, I broke my leg after the Saturday
show :-( so next Thursday is kind out for me.  If you could push it up a week
that might be OK (I expect to be able to drive by then).

I know, this should be in the bummer note :-)

adam

    wow adam .. you did that the wrong way - you're supposed to break a leg
    BEFORE the show.
    
    boy would I love to hear the story .... 
    
    

I'm willing to throw in an extra week to accomadate Adam.  Does that change
anything for anyone else?  

PeterT

	I'm flexible.
	next week or both.  ;-)
	
	Jay

    Loads of people on the net are REALLY going off on the scene at the BG
    shows this year saying cops were outta hand and that the scene in
    general sucked and wanting to write their congresspeople or whatever.
    Just curious what ya'all thought about the scene in and around the shows
    this year. Personally I thought it was way cooler than last year. I never
    was hassled once (except for the empty your pockets routine that one
    night going in) and was told several times by the cops that having a
    few beers before going in was fine so long as we kept the area clean
    and didn't cause a scene.
    	NEway just curious what other people's views were - wondering if I
    just found a good spot to hang out.
    						
    							-jeff 

      Well, I didn't hang out in the street too much (too crowded) but
    there did seem to be more police in the area than last year,IMHO.
    They seemed pretty cool unless you gave them reason not to be. Some
    of the younger cops might have been alittle jumpy...I saw one guy take
    out his ticket to show his friends where he was sitting and two cops
    were all over him for maybe being a scalper....I didn't really pay
    too much attention to the heavy presence, myself until the parking
    garage had patrolmen with dogs walking around in there the last
    night...BUT....police presence did not take anything away from my
    enjoyment of the festivities going on inside the Garden.... :-)

	I thought it was a little heavy-handed this year. The crackdown
	on the vending scene was relentless. And whenever I saw a copy
	hassling someone, they were doing it to the max. There's a guy
	who usually plays the hammer dulcimer on one of the street
	corners. I couldn't find him the first two nights. On Thursday,
	he was set up in the corner of one of the parking lots. He had
	just started playing, and I was wondering why he wasn't at his
	usaul place. I planned to ask him that when he finished his first
	song, however before he could finish 3 motorcycle cops pulled up
	and really started hassling him. It turns out that he had gone in
	extra early to get *that* particular parking space so he could
	play on "rented space", "private property" and not be hassled. He
	was told that although he may be on private property and out of
	the way, if he continued playing and people gathered to watch
	him, they would arrest his audience for loitering. So, although
	he could play, no one could stop to listen. More than a few
	people gathered to question the cop's rationale for making him
	stop. I just didn't get it.
	
	In another instance, on Teusday, we had gathered to drum in front
	of the Tip O'neil federal building, because it was a wide open
	space and away from the thick crowd. 3 federal cops came by and
	told us to move. One of them sadi "this is the second time we've
	told you to move." and we said, "but we just got here." To which
	he responded "prove it." So when we asked where we *could* drum,
	he said anywhere but here. So, we moved across the street and
	within minutes were told by the Boston cops we couldn't drum
	there either. We asked where we could drum and were told
	"anywhere but here." "That's what they told us across the street"
	we said. To which the cop replied "who would you rather be
	arrested by, them or us?" Tough choice. I asked who had the
	better lockup. He wasn't amused, and asked if I wanted to find
	out.
	
	Yeah, I thought things were a little heavy-handed.
	
	Jay

    I remember someone saying that they had seen Johnny Law take their
    batons to a coupla people outside....anyone confirm this?
    I also think there was a stronger presence this year, but it didn't
    seem like the cops were in that bad a mood.....
    Last year's run was a different story...3 cops had been shot in
    a 2 week period  when theshows kicked in and they were just a bit
    snappy over that...But all in all i don't think they went out of
    their way to hassle anybody..
    chris

    
    I can't comment on the scene outside, but I can inside. For me it was
    real close to a Grand Slam. I saw a topless lady, a young male passed
    out and carried to the hospital (all handled quite well by the police
    in my area), an clueless individual, running around the taping
    section, who then took a swing at the usher who was trying to slow him down,
    who was later arrested, making we tapers happy. About the only thing
    missing from this run, that I did see last run, was a naked guy.
    
    Come on, fess up, anybody see a naked guy this run?
    

    Hmmm...I saw both ends of the scale, I guess.  On Saturday night, I got
    harassed so badly on the floor by the ushers that they almost threw me
    out (until I pointed out that I wasn't high, drunk or stupid, and they
    can't just toss me for no reason).  I filed a written complaint with
    the Customer Service desk.  Guess what?  Big surprise!  Nothing
    happened.
    
    On the other hand, after the Monday show, I was sitting in the Bean Pot
    with a friend, having a beer and waiting for the crowd to disperse and 
    the parking lot to empty, when a Boston cop on a Harley with full
    lights flashing, drove INTO the Bean Pot, around the bar, and back
    outside again, just for giggles.  Hilarious.
    
    tim
    

    Mystery,
    was the naked female up around section 100, upper balcony...this girl
    couldn't have been older than 16 and was naked from the waist up with
    nuthin but a pair of panties on,  getting nekkid amidst cheers from
    the hundred or so around her....and this was BEFORE the show even
    started....Makes any father/future father worry about their kids...
    chris

    I didn't notice any weird/bad cop happenings....saw a few vendors to
    pack up and move it....saw a few stupid kids spark up a joint outside
    the door of the bean pot in front of the doorman/owner(?), after being
    told to do that somewhere else they realized they were in the wrong
    place for that, said they were sorry and moved about 20 feet away !
    I didn't spend to much time in the street, had other things to do like
    drink some beers at the commonweath and get my tickets upgrade :')
    after the shows I just headed to the car and went home....leaving
    nothing but foot prints....and a few braincells :')
    
    Chris

    Differences between the NYC run and Boston run:
    
    (all opinions my own!)
    
    1.  Police close off streets for Deadheads (& DECheads) to congregate.
    
    2.  Vending scene in full force - multiple products sold (i.e.
    t-shirts, foods, jewelry, pictures, etc.)
    
    3.  Cigarettes sold by concession stands inside of BG (at $3.50 a pop!)
    
    Actually, I thought the outside scene was very cool.  Closing off the
    streets in an excellent idea and it also helps with "crowd control".
    Taking everyone's advise and going in early helped with the pre-show
    crush.  I did think the frisking bit was too much though.  They don't
    do the frisk bit here (or maybe I've finally reached an age where
    they're not checking me!)
    
    Would we come up for me shows your way?  Sure, but I think I'll wait
    for BGII.  
    
    Fredda 
    Any cops I saw were standing to the side and not hassling anyone. 

I was extremely upset and disappointed with the police presence around the 
garden and I called the Governor and the Mayor and talked to Howie Carr 
live on WRKO about it.

The gestapo tactics used by the Boston SS were completely uncalled for and 
they precipitated most of the problems that occured.

Aside from beating on people for basically no reason (I saw one guy set up 
a grill in a private lot to cook some chili for his group of friends and 
two cops came up and threw him into a brick wall and hit him a couple of 
times and then drag him off in cuffs. I talked to his friends who said that 
they didn't have any drugs and that the kid had no id cause his wallet had 
left by mistake the day before), my main complaint was that twenty minutes 
after the show started the cops lined up their motorcycles from sidewalk to 
sidewalk on both canal and french streets and drove everyone away from the 
Garden and all the way down to the other end of the street.  Then they 
would not let any traffic (pedestrian or otherwise) down the streets all 
night.  I talked to people who had tickets to the show and got there late 
and the cops wouldn't let them go to the garden.  I saw a group of about 10 
people (a couple of which I knew) who were coming to see Slipknot at the 
Beanpot and they weren't allowed to walk down the street to get to the
show.  All in all a thoroughly disgusting display of human rights 
violations whereever you cared to look.

Geoff

P.S. I have folloewd up all my phone calls with letters.  

    
    I was not harrassed at all in Boston.
    
    I got to see a girl pee'ing on the sidewalk, a man passed out in 
    the isle of the floor yelling at how he F'in hates everyone and 
    how f'ed up he was, a gang-boy whip out his peice on a fellow 
    gang-boy for a nitrious balloon....among many other stupid antics.
    
    Doing things like going into the show early, going to the Commonwealth...
    etc. was a wise way to avoid any trouble on the streets.  
    
    Of course the cops are going to be busting...it's a dead-show in the 
    middle of the city!!!

    
    
    Man, I can't believe some of the rough stuff described here! It makes
    me wonder, 'cause all of the shows I've been to lately have been at
    the Shoreline, and, although Johnny Law is there in full force, even
    on horseback in the p-lots, EVERYONE is having such a good time. The
    only real crackdown has been on nitrous and fake tickets.
    
    I wonder if the difference is because the Shorline is outdoors, sparsely
    populatated area, etc., etc. Perhaps things are a bit more relaxed here.
    I heard that Highgate was real relaxed too.
    
    Sounds like one needs combat gear just to get into Garden, and that
    ain't no fun.
    
    Kip
                                                      
    

photo meeting: I can make either (or both) this and next Thursday.

	Kip,
	
	The difference is not only indoors vs outdoors, it's also 6 shows
	in 7 days, and for most of those days, commuters have to make it
	from Gov't Center to the trains @North Station (where Boston
	Garden is) to get home. Most of the hassles were to keep the
	streets clear so the suits could get to the trains. The other
	thing is, it gets very crowded in that little space in front of
	the Garden. And then, the city feels like it should get it's
	share of the vending, and local law says you need a vendors
	license, so they walk around hassling people for that. But,
	mostly it's to keep the streets clear. IMO, they should block off
	one of the 4 streets leading to Causeway St and leave it for the
	vendig scene and stop hassling folks. It seems to me that the
	city of bawstin loves the revenue the shows generate, but hate
	the 'inconvenience'.
	
	Jay

    
    
    Jeez, I completely forgot about the North Station. That has GOT to be
    an excellent scene, all of the commuters together with the 'heads.
    Maybe a bit of the atmosphere rubs off and the "suits" mellow out
    for the ride home. Then again, maybe not... :-^)
    
    Kip
    

Heck, I think a lot of the 'suits' ended up at the show ;-)

PeterT

    I made five of the six and I wear a suit to work everyday. 
    
    I had a great time at these shows but I do agree that the police
    presence was much greater this year than in previous times when the
    boyz have played BG. I did not personnally witness any of the hassles
    that others have talked about in prevoius notes. For the most part I
    spent pre-show time in the Commonwealth catching up with old friends
    and meeting new ones. Oh yes, I also had a few brews as well :-) -) :-)
    
    Jack

    
    Hey now, Peter, I am one of the suits. It was simply the picture that
    could be worth a thousand words....Deadhead selling veggie burritos
    to Coach bag-carrying-executive....
    
    Kip
    

	I'm a half-suit  ;-)
	
	In Albany one year (which for me is always a mellow scene) for a
	Friday nite show all the 'suits' came down from the towers to
	walk around the vending scene on a beautiful June afternoon. 
	It was grate seeing them in white shirts and ties (hey! I'm
	wearing that today ;-) and power suits, walking around with
	beers, enjoying the trip.
	
	Jay

I only suit up on site visits, and even then, suit isn't quite the proper
word for it ;-)  More like a hopefully homogenous assemblege of jacket
tie and pants.  Shoes, well, sometimes, and sometimes I just insist
on the sneakers.  


On a wholely other foot, let's set the date of the Regency Photo Display
at Thursday, Oct. 20th, starting around 5:30 or so.  I originally suggested
it based on some questions Adam had, so it would be a shame if he couldn't
make it (though, he'll likely show up in the second set any way ;-)
And, as a thought, why not include other photo's from outside this 
past Garden run.  I've got a few (provided I can dig them up ;-)

PeterT

	I agree on the Westford: wait for Adam. 20th is ok w/me.
	
	photos? you want other photos? I got *tons* of photos.  ;-)
	oh, you mean of other shows? ;-)
	
	I have a few, but I rarely take my camera with me. It makes me
	feel too responsible to carry it.
	
	Jay

Well, yeah, I did mean other shows.  I have a few plus some of Hot Tuna
at the F&G last summer.  Don't want to get into that rathole of ANY
photo ;-)  I've got them stuffed away all over the house too.  Some of
them are even pretty good ;-)

PeterT

	oh yeah, i got some tuna fotos too. thanx, i'll dig 'em out.

Why don't I ever get to see any of these Naked People(tm)? :-)

I thought the cops-on-the-street was about the same as the past 3 years - lots
of them but they don't hassle you if you don't try to walk down the wrong
street at the wrong time (and are lucky).

Inside, they were fairly strict about keeping the aisles clear, but I must
admit I like it because when I'm in my assigned seats (and I was for each show)
it's nice to not have your space violated by aisle-grabbers.

Personally I can't wait for the new Garden to open up.  I hope it's ready next
fall and the dead don't hit the old garden as they've indicated they might.

adam

	I don't think the new garden will be ready in time.
	i'd look for shows early in sep at the old garden.
	there's NO WAY the boyz will play in the new place before the
	bruins do.    ;-)

    gee the way it looks right now, the boys already played in the old
    one more this season the the Bruins will....
    
    :'(
    
    

so, is the regency meet on for this coming thurs, next week?????  i'll
come on out for some brew w/ decheads!

re:             <<< Note 423.144 by BIODTL::JC "don't criticize it" >>>

>so, is the regency meet on for this coming thurs, next week?????  i'll
>come on out for some brew w/ decheads!

I'm still a "maybe".  I have a leg brace now that will allow me to drive, but
I'm not sure I'll be able to drive by Thurs.  It's actually 50-50 at this
point.  If you already met last thurs, don't plan on another one on my account. 
Of course, good brew and good DECheads are a reason in itself for a gathering!
The other thing is, of course, that I'm being driven to work by other people
for the next week (hopefully no more than that), so I'm not at liberty to make
social calls after work :-(

adam

	I'm up for thurs. -DC may stop by also.
	
	adam, if you can't make it, we'll have another one. We didn't
	meet last week. maybe, if you can get dropped off at the regency
	someone can give you a ride home. where do you live?
	
	Jay

        A quick update for those who ordered pictures:
        
        - last week I ordered 8x10s for myself (to see how they would
          come out.) Although there is some color loss (there usually is
          with enlargements,) I'm satisfied with the results.  The 5x7s
          still look the best, IMO. (I think the smoke in the air gets
          magnified as the pictures are enlarged, causing more light to
          be reflected and some 'hot spots' as well as color loss.) I did
          ask the folks at the lab to try and do a better job on the
          8x10s.
        
        - the reprints were ordered on Saturday. They will be ready next
          Saturday. I will have them in the mail (hopefully) by Monday
          morning, 10/24/94.
        
        - I sent out confirmations last Friday. If I missed anyone, send
          me mail, I'll send you the amount due and my address.
        
        - send me a check, I'll send you the pictures. I'll cash checks
          only after the pictures are mailed.
        
        - your satisfaction is guaranteed. If you are unsatisfied, return
          the pictures for a refund (I'm not expecting any takers on this
          tho  ;-)
        
        Last, thanks to all who ordered. I took grate pleasure in making
        these pictures available.
        
        :-)
	
	Jay

I believe Adam lives somewhere in Framingham, no?  Maybe we should just
get a crew together and kidnap him from his desk on Thursday afternoon ;-)

PeterT

I may be driving by Thursday.  In fact, I plan on it.  All I really need to do
is bring a regular shoe with me and use that while driving.  Then, when I get
to work (and park in the medical parking spot :-)) I put on my brace, which I
should have on all the time.  So, there's a good chance I'll make it on
Thursday.  I just have to remember to bring my pix :-)

adam_walking_with_a_cane

Ok folks, dig up them photos tonight!  Thursday, 10/20, Westford Regency,
starting around 5:30...

PeterT

I'm gonna hafta cancel out of this one.  I'm still not driving.  I hope you
guys have fun and maybe we can reschedule this to next spring or something :-)

Hoist one for me and don't get the pix wet!

adam

    
    Would someone post direx for the Regency.  
    	Thanks
    	Mark

It's basically right off 495, exit uhhh, well, the Rte 225 Westford exit.
Can also be reached by getting off at rte 119, LKG, and going up
the main road (110?) there for a few miles.  From LKG, oh, somebody else
help out here, as I don't have the road names ;-)  But from the 225 exit,
Go to the main road that parallells rte 495 on the east, and hang a right.
It'll be a block or two down from that intersection on your right.

PeterT

110 is King Street in Littleton (and maybe Westford too). If you take the
Littleton Common (Rte 119) exit, go east (left of exit from 495E). LKG will 
be on your left. At intersection of 110 & 119 (the 1st light you'll come 
to a Mobil station will be on the left), go left. Stay on this road past 
LKG, Kimball's Ice Cream, etc. for aoubt 3-4miles and the Regency will be 
on your left.

If you take the 225 exit from 495 east, go right off the exit. Take a right 
at the intersection (225 & 110) and the Regency's a mile or so down on the 
right.

rereading these, you'd think that I'd already be drinking.

jeff

    
    Thanks Peter,
      Now I remember where it is.  I'll take the 225 exit.
    Just needed a little tweek to the gray matter.
        
       Mark
    

110 is King Street in Littleton (and maybe Westford too). If you take the
Littleton Common (Rte 119) exit, go east (left of exit from 495N). LKG will 
be on your left. At intersection of 110 & 119 (the 1st light you'll come 
to a Mobil station will be on the left), go left. Stay on this road past 
LKG, Kimball's Ice Cream, etc. for aoubt 3-4miles and the Regency will be 
on your left.

If you take the 225 exit from 495 North, go right off the exit. Take a right 
at the intersection (225 & 110) and the Regency's a mile or so down on the 
right.

	Jeff, I changed your directions from 495E --> 495N
	otherwise, they looked fine to me.
	
	I'll be there around 5:00 or so.
	
	Jay

East - North woops. Thanks Jay. Guess I should have stayed in Boy Scouts a 
bit longer....

Names and numbers always confuse me ;-) Once I know how to get to a place,
it gets pretty hardwired in and I forget the details.  I followed 
directions last year, ended up getting off by LKG and then trekked back 
north.  Parked around the back, and then I realized I recognized the place
from all the times I passed it by on 495, and that I was about a minute
away from the exit I SHOULD have taken.  Sigh....


;-)
PeterT

    And don't be upset by the lack of rt 225 signs, coz it isn't :-)
    
    225 is about half a mile away, and the exit sign says "To Rt 225". I've
    gotten thoroughly lost by not realising that distinction.
    
    If you're heading north on 495, you'll see the Regency on your right
    just before the exit. If you're heading south on 495 and see the
    Regency, you might as well kick back and enjoy the view...
    
    gary

    On Route 110 from the side driveway of LKG (by the Yangzte River)
    to the driveway of the Regency is 2.3 miles.  From well known 
    local landmark Kimballs, it's 1.9 (and on the opposite side of
    the street).

    Tom

    
    Sh!t, I'm gonna miss it, got f'in class tonight.
    
    If you'ze guys are gonna be bash'n for a while (9:15'ish) I'll 
    definitely still shwing by.
    
    			- Deane'o

	re; lack of rt 255 signs ...
	
	the exit may be marked "Boston Road, to rte 225" or something
	like that.
	
	(i siriusly hope no one's trying to follow these directions  ;-)
	
	rilly, it's not that hard to find.  %-)

                    Its easier if you ignore the signs :-)
    

Just a note to those of you who may have ordered copies from Jay.
They are VERY nice.  Good time, good beers, and I even brought along
rfb's pictures that he sent with some NTTH stickers.  Figured
Mark would at least recognize them ;-)  ("Do you have a basset hound, too?" ;-)

PeterT

what PeterT said. Fine pictures and company @ the Regency last week.

jeff

	All the pictures have been mailed.
	Hope y'all get 'em safe and sound.
	
	Enjoy.
	Jay

    
    I enjoyed getting together with folks at the Regency.  The price of the 
    beers hurt alittle - OUCH!.  But, twas a good time.  Some grate photos.
    Thanks to PeterT for the NTTH sticker and for bringing some Horseshoe
    Bowl picts to make me Colorado homesick.  <

	Yeah, it's always grate gettin together fer brews with the
	decheads. they were a little pricey tho (the brews, not the
	decheads ;-)
	::strobel needs a calculator tho. ;-) no, wait, that wouldn't
	have helped either.
	
	;-)  ;-)

    but they had the complimentary happy hour buffet guys 
    that ALONE was worth the price of beers
    chris_who_didn't_partake  

    And I've got the photos to prove it.  Thanks Jay, really nice shots.
    
    /rick

no calculator Jay, but I could use a clue!!! I'm aaaa, just a generous 
tipper, yea that's it!

	A final note on the pictures..
	
	Tho not all the money has been collected, here is how it ended up:
	Total expense, including; 
	  prints, mailers, tax and postage:	$ 203.41
	Total of pictures sold:			  229.00
	
	so, a $25 check will be mailed to the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation.

	Jay

	I'm ordering more pictures.
	
	If n e 1 is innerested, send mail.
	
	Jay