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    eh?? What's a (should I ask) clove Butt??
    			

 Cigarettes made from cloves...









 Jum

Whew, that's a relief.

I thought it was some kind of horrid birth defect.

;-)

tim

 Or a built in air freshener :-)










 Jum

    >Has tie-die evolved from a fad into a tradition?

Well, I'm not sure what you mean by "tradition" here, but IMO it has evolved.  
One reason I say this is that I live in a neighborhood with lots of kids, and 
they were always out and about this summer (I live on a lake with lots of 
activity).  I was amazed by the number of kids I saw wearing tie-dye shirts.  
Especially the girls, wearing them long (like to the knees) as sort of a beach 
shirt I guess.  Generally they didn't have any graphics on them, just regular 
'ole tie-dye t's.

Scott

A big one these days is rainsticks. Must cost, oh, I'd guess �12 to make and 
they sell for, what, $25-50 depending on their size??

They drive me crazy, I think they must have been used as torture devices at 
some time...

Bob (Weir) declared tie-dyes to be "tacky," but people still seem to wear them
to Dead shows, for some reason.  ;^)

- DC

    
    re: .10
    
    whew - best not to confuse them with clove butts :-)
    

	I've noticed a trend in pierced nostrils - can't imagine that
	that piercing process would be too comfortable... can't imagine that
	changing the nose?rings would be that easy... don't even want
	to imagine what it's like when you have a bad cold...

	Debess

    my 15 year-old daughter got her schnooz pierced 'bout a month ago....
    then died her hair jet black...she thought she was a real rebel, then I
    told her "you look like any other normal, young, college deadhead..."
    she didn't like that too much.....
    
    but she said it DIDN'T hurt!
    rfb

>    told her "you look like any other normal, young, college deadhead..."
>    she didn't like that too much.....
    
Hmmm, How _does_ a child rebel against parents who are themselves rebels?

Jum?


:-)

>Hmmm, How _does_ a child rebel against parents who are themselves rebels?

He becomes a Republican?

;^)

    
    .15 
    
    Ehwwww, now you're getting nasty. ;-)
    
    :-Chuck

>>Hmmm, How _does_ a child rebel against parents who are themselves rebels?
>He becomes a Republican?

Oh god, no!  Don't tell me that or I'll see to it that there'll be no
little t!ng's running around any time soon or ever!  ;-) 8-)

peace,
t!ng

 Re Fog...good question..right now my eldest is rebelling by not working,
my 16 year old has hair down to the middle of his back (as does the eldest
though I think his is down to his a@@) and listens nonstop to Metal stuff
(Carcass being the latest) and gets pi**ed at Dad cuz he won't let him go
to a Kiss concert on a school night..9 year old rebels by asking 1.5 million
questions a minute :-/









Jum


None of them are republicans that I know of :-)

     Hey now!!
      I gotta Know can you use your rainstick with your clovebutt??
    		hahhahahhaaaha. Sorry I had to ask..
    	
     and you know Rebuplicans are just a part of someones warped
    imagination.
    
        I am also suprised at Bobby Weir for saying tye-dyes are "Tacky"
         What is he getting stuck up or somethin??
    			
    			G-Mon

    	Today I feel really up and great so I believe that the rather
    	loose way my children were raised has made them happy people.
    
        My 3 children were raised Unitarian in a semi-hippy household .
        My son turned into a born again christian and no matter what I
    	personally think about that - he is a good decent hardworking
        responsible guy who is a democrat! 
        
    	One daughter has become an entrenched home owner in Georgia,
        building littleponds and fences and growing good stuff in her
        gardens:-)  She is apolitical at this writing.
    
    	The other daughter went to Rutgers for two and a half years and is
        now in beginning her second September as a semi vagabond, waitressing
        at resorts and skiing her brains out.  She is passing thru the area
        even as we speak - on her way to begin the season at Loon this
        weekend. she is a democrat.
    
    	They all chose some way to be different from their friends but not
    	so terribly far out from me.
             
    	Carol
    ack
    
    

    None of mine rebelled actually.... or maybe they did and I just didn't
    notice it. :-)

    worse than shedding their skin and becoming a republican,  a child
    could rebel and disregard all they've been taught (shown) about peace
    and love and start supporting hate, fear and violence....course, some
    argue that those ARE family values for republicans.... 
    
    back to "fads"
    
    friendship (guatamalean?) braclets are still 'hip' out here at shows,
    and in general with the college crowds. 
    
    so is hack-ball and devil-sticks 
    
    i've seen more partially-shaved heads at the few shows I've 
    attended lately than in the past. 
    
    what is it with those big, useless buds that are burnt like incense
    that stink up the parking lot and shows anyway? is that 
    sh*t sage-brush er what?
    
    pets on tour -- sorta cruel sometimes, but a lot of heads really see
    that their animals are safe and sound before the show. Saw parrots,
    lizards, ferret, dogs and cats (some BIG GAURD dogs at Vegas from LA
    last year, noone dared reach into the camper for that hamburger, it was
    held out to you!of course there's always the fool taht asks "can i pet
    him?" ya right, you'll be dancin one armed at yer next show bud!)
     
    My favorite re-occuring fad of late is MORE NAKEDNESS! %^)
    
    rfb

	I've noticed that Deadhead-like clothing has become a 
	fashion statement, not only at shows (of course) but 
	on the street as well.  Cept for the DEChead T-shirt,
	I'm not really into the garb, I find it impractical.
	It contradicts very reason that I joined the Dead 
        scene;.......to rebel against societal trends and norms.
	Or, was joining the Dead scene a societal trend on it's
	own......geez I'm wicked confused now :-/

	Oh God, what happens if people stop wearing the garb 
	to shows?????? I guess thats when I start to wear the
	garb.....Or maybe no clothes at all????? I like that!!!

    impractical????? I understand the "contradicts the very reason I
    joined..." statement, but impractical???? 
    
    rfb

	yeah, I guess impractical is not the correct adjective,

	It's kinda like those big wooden sandals that alot
	of folks have on at shows, I didn't find them to be
	practical for my needs, the price of em was right
	up there too.

	The DEChead t shirt is functional, it allows me to 
	identify fellow DECheads.....Dye's used to be really
	good to help identify fellow deadheads, now a days, if 
	you give someone a peace sign cause they have a dye on,
	the person is bound to give you some bizzare looks :-)

re: pets on tour

at buffalo i met some guy (and gave him a ride home) who had a snake with him
inside the show; i'd never played with a pet snake before; kind of interesting

- rich

    talking about sandals.....I never thought I'd wear birkinstocks...but
    they are comfortable!!!!! except for that occasional loose stone that
    gets trapped between yer foot and the sole. don't recommend them for
    rock scrambling or cross-country/back-country skiing though. %^)
    or if yer being TFSO'd (costly suckers!!). 
    rfb

re: sandals

i tried on both teva's and birkenstock's; i thought the teva's were more
comfortable, they're cheaper, and they're meant to beat around, get wet, etc.

i think they fit me better because i have a pretty narrow foot; even though
birkenstock's come in widths, you're limited to the pre-punched holes in the
strap (quantized, if you will); yeah, you could punch your own, but that could
be a real pain to get it just right; besides, i want it at a different width
depending on what i'm wearing (i.e. socks or no socks); the teva's are real
handy because they close with a velcro strap; make it whatever width ya want

- a very happy customer of the teva contour

    another couple of pennies worth on rainsticks...
    
    i use one as a musicall instrument in one of the tunes i wrote...
    the indigo girls use one on at least one of their tunes... (i think the
    name of the tune is "welcome in"?? on the third album???  nomads saints
    indians and other various and sundry folks???)
    
    the rainsticks i have seen have been of two types of construction... 
    the most common (and what i have been told are more durable) are the
    ones similar to what Marv described...  they are actually not "logs"
    but rather are pieces of a particular flavor of cactus...  the spines
    of the cactus are pushed in (sometimes other pieces of metal are
    inserted as well)...  inside can have a number of different fillings...
    many are filled with seeds and stones and such...  mine is of this
    variety...  it's about 3 feet long and was bought at the blue planet
    on newbury st for about $40...
    
    the other type i have seen a lot of is made from bamboo...  if you saw
    Mickey on the planet drum tour you saw him use one about 6 feet long...
    made of bamboo it has metal pins driven through it...  when turned on
    end litlle ball bearings fall through the pins (like the seeds fall
    through the thorns and such in the cactus ones) and bouce around like
    little pin balls...  
    
    sounds like rain when turned over...  hence the name...  :^)
    
    				da ve_who_makes_great_simulated_rain_by_
    				running_his_rainstick_into_two_150_milli-
    				second_delays_on_infinite_loop :^) 

     Cool!!!
         Now I Just gotta find a bunch of cactus or bamboo..
    				G- mon
    

    Hey  now!
    		I think we ought or should have a topic on how to make dead
    stuff. Ya know tye-dyes,rain-sticks, clove butts, gauatemelan
    bracelets,ect?? I would like to know how to make some of this stuff..
    			G-mon
    

i have tevas that my older bro got me....  i lived in them pretty much all
summer.  amazingly comfortable, and as someone mentioned, they are meant to
be beat on... great summer camping footwear (go into rivers, etc w/ em!)

I just got a catalog yesterday from "Seventh Generation" (various
earth-crunchy products), which included a few different types of
rainsticks ... I can post the info if anyone's interested.  I might
be ordering one.

- Dave who now has "Rain Maker" by the Partridge Family running thru his
  head

    Dave,
    
    Is there a number to call to order the catalog?

Hi Mary;

I'll post the info this afternoon.

- DC

    
    Man, talk about synchronicity!  I just this second got off the phone
    with Seventh Generation to update my address for the new catalogue.
    Their phone number is 800-456-1177.  Then push 100 to ask for a
    catalogue.
    
    Recycling has *finally* come to *all* of NYC.  I want to get one of
    those kitchen garbage pails that's divided into sections.  I know 7th
    Gen. used to have them, but even if they don't, it's a great catalogue.
    

Rod Serling's in my cube now ....

    
    No way!  Mine too!
    
    ;-)
    
    

 Way!




 

    
    I just called 7th Generation....
    
    It's $2 for a catalog... send requests to:   Seventh Generation
    						 Colchester, VT
    						   	05446-1672
    
    
    MJ

    
>    I just called 7th Generation....
    
Really? I just called them too!

Wow!

:-)   :-)   :-)

    
    
    I'll just call them tonight! :-)

    Im gonna wait for them to call me :')

    Don't have to hon -- I have a catalog . . . SOMEWHERE!
    
    :)

 I'm gonna call them and ask them who the Rex Foundation is!  :-)








 Jum

    Rex who?
    

Hun?

    guess who just called !
    
    
    
    naaaa only joking :')

Attilla?

    I've heard bad stuff about clove cigarettes.  Apparently some chemical
    in clove smoke causes your lung to secrete some kind of acid.  Your
    lungs kind of eat themselves.  Much worse than normal cigarettes.
    
    Believe it if you want - the info I think was in the New England
    Journal of Medicine a few years back so I doubt it's bogus.
    
    Scott
    

    Yikes!!!

re:         <<< Note 296.36 by TERAPN::PHYLLIS "fly through the night" >>>
    
>    Recycling has *finally* come to *all* of NYC.  I want to get one of

Glad to hear it!  I would have thought NYC would be the last place to have
city-wide recycling.  They have enough trouble just picking up the trash :-)

adam

    re .51
    
    Sounds a bit suspect to me, although who knows what else may be in them.
    
    However, the essential oil of cloves, eugenol, does behave as a local
    anaesthetic. It is still used for this purpose in dentistry. Smoking
    clove cigarettes will deaden the nerves in your lungs somewhat, so if
    you are damaging them you may not notice until much later. What little
    I've read about clove cigs has attributed lung damage to this
    interruption of feedback.
    
    gary