Conference rdvax::grateful

The Dead have only played veneta twice, once in '72 and once in '82. Here are 
the stats...

08-27-72... "Springfield Creamery Benifit Field Trip", with NRPS:

	1: Promised, Sugaree, Me & My Uncle, Deal B.T. Wind, China->Rider,
	   Mexicali, Bertha.
	2: Playin', He's Gone, Jack Straw, bird Song, Greatest Story.
	3: Dark Star->El Paso->Sing Me Back Home, Sugar Mag, Casey Jones.

08-28-82... "Springfield Creamery Presents the Second Decadenal Field Trip"
	     With Peter Rowan, The Flying Karamozov Brothers, Strangers with 
	     Candy, Robert Cray Band, and Tatoo.

	1: Bertha->Minglewood,Tennessee Jed, Me & My Uncle->Big River, Althea,
	   All Over Now, China->Rider.
	2: Day Job->Women Smarter, West L.A., Far From Me->Playin'->Drums->
	   Wheel->Other One->truckin'->Black Peter->Playin'->Saturday Night
	E: Dupree's (revived after four year hiatus)

	(First Day Job & West L.A.)

So, who is all going to these showz?  Deb and I will be there, if we can
muster up some tix...

Randy and I are going.  We just booked our flights up there.  Can't
really afford to take the time to drive up here this year, as nice
as the drive is.  Are there any Oregon DECheads here??  8-)

peace,
t!ng

    Somebody call Coz!
    
    							/
    

I'll be there, rain or shine  8^)


Scott

    You may be able to order by phone, FWIW.

	I'll be there...show or no show   ;-)

>                   -< I'll book a flight when I have tix... >-

You'll miss the airfare wars...

>    Somebody call Coz!

Does anyone has Coz's number??  I don't have her number in Portland and
it's unlisted (e-mail me if you do!  Don't post it!  8-)

peace,
t!ng

    
     I'm planning on taking a week off to go out there, I've been
    looking into flights too.....hope I will be able to get tickets

>>    I'm planning on taking a week off to go out there, I've been
>>    looking into flights too.....hope I will be able to get tickets


	The good airfare deals end on the 5th for this round 
	of competition.

	I think there will be another price war before August
	though.

Well, I got my flight tickets:  2 R.T. tickets boston->seattle for $425.

Now, I just gotta deal w/ the rental car and the TICKETS !!!

    I'll be there.
    
    FWIW, I checked with Ticketmaster here in Seattle yesterday.  They
    didn't know when tickets would go on sale, sort of alluding to not
    being able to say anything until a hotline announcement is made.  I am
    assuming they will handle Seattle ticket sales (Seattle being 300 miles
    from Veneta but still considered "local").  If not, then I'll be in
    Oregon standing in line someplace.
    
    Per mail with JC, I intend to get tickets for him.  Who else might need
    them?  so I know how to handle it for other people if only-local-ticket-
    sales really happens.

    
    
    Me! 
    
    :-)
    
    

Me two please!!  (that's short for two for me please!!  8-)

peace,
t!ng

    Re: 260.13 by TERAPN::PHYLLIS
    
    >>Me!
    
    ... like, you want me to get you tickets?  How many?
    
    I better start a list...

    
    Sorry about that..  2 would be grate.
    
    Thanks,
    Phyllis
    

	Howdy, 

	I'll be looking for tix to Veneta too!

	I'm going to be looking for 2 tix to one show or the other
	or even both for that matter :-)

	Who's JC?

JC as in ZENDIA::FERGUSON.

Chuck, I could use two, please.  

After tomorrow I'll be away for the next two weeks (unfortunately not at Dead 
shows) without access to email or notes, except for next Friday possibly.  Any 
gut feel out there for when tix may go on sale?

Scott

    Okay, here's the list in order entered:
    
    	JC		2 tix	both shows
    	Phyllis		2	both
    	t!ng		2	both
    	EBBCLU::SMITH	2	one show or both?
    	Scott Wentzell	2	both
    
    Is this correct?  Anybody else?  Bob Hapgood?
    
    Once the on sale date is announced and prices and limits and all that
    we'll work out the details.
    
    If mail order is not restricted, do you want to do your own MO?
    
    Re: availability, nothing to add beyond what I said in .12.  I didn't
    check today.  Anything you can say about this Ger Gladu?
    
    

    I haven't heard anything new. Shows still unconfirmed as far as I know.

    chuck, I'm sure Tom Lawlor wants two for each day...he doesn't come in
    till late and is under the gun work-wise now and doesn't read the file
    much.....but I know he's goin.
                                  rfb

Chuck,  if there is MO for the shows, do not order any tix for me (I'll have
that angle covered here).  However, if NO MO, then please get me 2 per show.

appreciate you doing this for us ALL !!!

JC

    Veneta is still unconfirmed but it looks like a go for Aug 22 & 23.

    
    	Thanks Randy ! for mentioning my potential need for tickets ! Rozanne
    and I plan to be in Veneta for the shows so we will need two for each
    show.
    
    TL

    I just called a phone number for ticket info ... a number I got earlier
    today courtesy Bob Hapgood... (503)689-6344.  It's a tape by Kit(?)
    Kesey, related to Ken I presume...
    
    The "good news" according to the tape: tickets will go on sale July 6,
    through all normal Grateful Dead outlets.
    
    If you can't trust a prankster, can you trust his relatives?
    

    Okay, another update.  A friend just tried the number I gave in -.1  He
    got to talk to a real live person!  who confirmed that tickets go on
    sale July 6, via GD mail order, Ticketmaster and GI Joe's in Oregon and
    Washington, and Hult Center ticket outlets in Portland and Eugene.
    
    Remember this comes from Key-Z Productions so may need to be taken with
    that in mind but MAYBE open MO and no-hassle local ticket sales will
    mean that everyone planning on making the shows will have it happen!
    
    More info/rumors as I get them.  Or try the number yourself.
    
    Chuck

	It sounds as though the whole shabang is all happening on the 
	6th.  I am concerned about going out to buy ticket-bstrd tix
	when I am not sure whether I am going to get M/O tix or not.

	I suppose I can go to my local slime outlet on the 6th and
	try but if they can't help me I will have to rely on the
	M/O. 

A friend dropped off the May-June edition of The Coconut Telegraph at lunch. It
has Jimmy Buffett's tour dates laisted (as of May 1) and has him playing in 
Portland, OR Aug. 21 and George, WA (real town?!) on the 22nd. While he is 
playing Vancouver, BC the 23rd, would be interesting to see him make a jaunt
down to the Eugene area. All those Parrotheads and Deadheads in one place would
be alot of fun, and probably enough to make Ross Perot start some sort of 
para-military operation.

just a summer's day thought


jeff

>All those Parrotheads and Deadheads in one place would
>be alot of fun, and probably enough to make Ross Perot start some sort of 
>para-military operation.
    
    What makes you think he doesn't already have one in place, jeff?

Latest Veneta unconfirmed_non-gerryg rumor is that tickets will go on sale July 
6th.  No word _how_ they would go on sale, though.

Fog

from the net (didn't know whether to put this here or in
the ugly rumors note...read to the end...never trust a prankster, I hope...)

Debess
 
	From the Eugene Register Guard Friday June 5, 1992 
	Entertainment and Arts Section
 
	Pictures of: Neville bros, Short-grey-haired Jerry and Ed Edmo
 
 
	  The giant of the area's summer musical events, probably 
	will be the Third Decadenal Field Trip, a two-day concert
	by the Grateful Dead at the Oregon Country Fair site near Veneta.
 
	  Formed in 1965 as the Warlocks, the Grateful Dead became the 
	house band at Ken Kesey's Acid Tests, a series of public LSD parties
	and multimedia events held before the drug had been outlawed.
	This is the legendary San Francisco Bay Area rock group's third
	"decadenal" visit to the rural site.
 
	  "We did one in '72, same site. We did one in '82, same site. And
	now '92, and here we go," said concert promoter Kit Kesey.
 
	  The Grateful Dead concerts will be held Aug. 22 and 23. Up to 
	40,000 tickets will be issued each day. By comparison, the three-day
	Oregon Country Faire in July draws 30,000 to 35,000 paid admissions
	with its musical entertainment on 10 stages.
 
	  The Dead concerts will have a Native American theme because 
	the event is being held on land once used by the Chelamela branch
	of the Kalapuyan tribe and because the Oregon Country Faire plans
	to use the money from its lease of the land for archaeological research
	there, Kesey said. He said his uncle, Pleasant Hill author Ken Kesey,
	is serving as ringmaster for the event. 
 
	  "I'd kind of like to have it be like an old-fashioned rendezvous
	or powwow," Ken Kesey said. "I'm trying to establish it around the 
	Northwest Indian look and lore as much as I can."
 
	  For entertainment, Kesey said he is inviting Ed Edmo, a Native
	American poet from Portland, and Anne Waldman, the Boulder,
	Colo., poet who wrote "Fast Speaking Woman and Other Chants."
	Kesey said he also plans to audition other acts.
 
	  "Usually at regular Dead concerts people just do a lot of
	hanging around," he said. "It's my theory that once you've 
	got an audience, you're kind of obligated to entertain them
	from the time they are there to the time they leave. So I        
	figure we'll start in the morning as quick as we can get 
	rolling and have speeches and acts and whatever seems 
	appropriate, and the Dead somewhere in the middle of the
	day. And then in the evening I'm going to do a performance
	of my little kids' story, `The Sea Lion,' and we'll just see 
	what also happens."
 
	  Kesey said he expects the Dead put on at least a four-hour
	concert each day. "I think it's their last concert before they
	kind of break up into splinter groups," he said. "They are 
	going to go on a long hiatus and not do any more performing. 
	They're worn out."
 
	  This third field trip may be billed as The Field Trip Final, 
	Kesey said.
 

    I don't know, but I'm putting the emphasis on the words, "I think",
    "hiatus" and prankster.  It may be the final decadenal as 10 years 
    down the road is, well 10 years ;-)  
    I suspect (hope) it's all just hot air at the moment, but we should 
    know soon.  If the rumored Fall tour is going to get going,
    mail order should start withing a month or so.
    
                                                Later,
                                                PeterT
    
    

"Field Trip Productions", which is organizing the veneta shows, now has its own 
hotline.  According to the message I just listened to at the other end of the 
phone at the below number, tickets will be available after the 1st of July both 
through Ticketmaster and GDTS, and both the GTDS and FT hotlines will carry 
info RE: ticket ordering.

The message implies that vending is sanctioned for this event if you contact 
them through this number.

Norma Sax is on the Oregon Country Fair commission, and has been an excellent 
source of info on this event over on rec.music.gdead.

------------------------------

From: sax.uoregon (Norma Sax)
Subject: Oregon
Date: 19 Jun 92 15:06:01 GMT

The number to call for info on the Third Decadenal
Field Trip in Oregon August 22-23 is 503-689-6344. So
far there is no info on price or p.o. box #. I left a
message and asked that they put that data on the tape.
It may be July 1 before that info becomes available.

------------------------------

I pulled this from the net, can anyone verify, I can't get through.



>Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1992 18:14:25 GMT

>I just talked to a PERSON (not a recording) at the Oregon Country Fair Info
>phone # (503-689-6344).  She was in the process of updating the message, and
>shared some info w/ me. She said that the Oregon shows are ABSOLUTELY going to
>happen.  It's a done deal.  Tickets will be available after July 15th from
>the Grateful Dead Box Office (mail order) and TicketMaster in the NW.  There
>are 40,000 tickets for each show, and they'll cost somewhere around $25-30.

If this is true, Ticketbsrtrd sales will be all throughout the NorthWest

    
    I heard the updated message, and yeah, that's what it says!  :-)
    
    Waiting 'til July 15th though... GDTS is gonna have it's work cut out..
    
    

RE         <<< Note 260.35 by TERAPN::PHYLLIS "fly through the night" >>>

    
      
  >  Waiting 'til July 15th though... GDTS is gonna have it's work cut out..
    
   

    And what a great day that is :-)






 Jum 

I still can't believe they're going to do mail-order *and* have it
go on sale at TicketMaster on the same day.  Is there a precedent
for this?  What's the TicketMaster number for Eugene??  Are they
going to accept phone orders??

peace,
t!ng

    There is a Ticketmaster in Portland that will accept phone orders, at
    least that's what they told a friend when he called them last Monday. 
    I will get the number and post it in here.
    
    Chuck

    
    	Good questions t!ng ! Maybe the mailorder will start sooner than
    the 15th, but certainly not soon enough to hear back before the on sale
    date. Or maybe they figure they'll be plenty of tickets to go around,
    like no chance to lose out. 40,000 per show is alot of tickets for an 
    event that's really no where near any population centers, probably won't 
    sell out super fast. I'm sure it'll be GA too, so any tic is as good as
    the next. We'll see...
    
    TL

    Hamburg may have been a precedent where, I think, the box office
    sold tix before mail order.

    Sorry if this is in here already, but I don't really follow this note.
    
    I heard that tix are not being sold by Ticketmaster but by an outfit
    called Fastixx. They will do phone sales to non-locals and they do not
    know when tix will go on sale. I just heard this and can't vouch for
    the info. You may want to call to verify that they are handling Veneta 
    sales - 1-800-992-TIXX and 1-503-224-TIXX.
    
    - Gerry

I called, they don't know if they will be handling them or not. "We are waiting 
to hear from the promoter"...

    A friend just got through to Fastixx (spelling?).  What they told him
    was:
    
      Yes they will be handling tickets.
    
      Yes they will be accepting out-of-area phone orders.
    
      Their phone numbers:	(503)224-8499 (Oregon number)
    				1-800-997-8499 (*note* may be '993' not
    						'997', I can't read my 
    						own writing from taking the
    						message)
    
      There will be a $2 additional charge for phone orders.  Usual major
      credit cards will be accepted.
    
      They do not yet know when tickets will go on-sale.
    
    
    The same friend also got thru to Ticketmaster and was told emphatically
    thay they would NOT be doing GD ticket sales.
    
    None of this is absolute so take it for what it is worth.
    
    Chuck

>    				1-800-997-8499 (*note* may be '993' not
>    						'997', I can't read my 

992, see Gerry's note a few back...

Hi.

Someone posted a note 'splaining about the Field Trip, what it's all about,
etc.  I can't seem to find it.  Could someone point me at it.  I want to mail
(as in post-office) it to my sister who live in Olympia.  The backward-ass gal
ain't even got e-mail!  Sheesh! :-)

Dave

    Again, sorry if this is old news. I don't follow this note...
    
    New message on the (Field Trip Prod.) hotline says tix on sale
    after July 15th. They mention Ticketmaster but we know that's
    incorrect, it's Fastixx (never trust a Prankster :-). No mention 
    of GDTS date but only Steve Marcus knows that date anyways. Call 
    the Field Trip hotline for the latest message.
    
    - Gerry

As of last night, the Field Trip Productions' hotline hadn't been updated to 
indicate the newly-rumored change in ticket agencies.

Just for clarification, Fastixx is a subsidy of Fred Meyer, a Food and General 
merchandise chain in Oregon, and I believe all Fastixx outlets are located 
inside Fred Meyer stores. 

	I believe the Fasttixx number is 503-224-8499,  

    
    For those of us that want to call from work.....
    
    Fastix also gave us an 800 number :-)     ...800-992-8499
    
    They still do not know fer sure whether they will be the 
    ones selling tickets or not :-/

    
    
    OREGON IS ON THE HOTLINE!!!  RUMOR HAS IT MAIL IN IS TODAY!!!
    
    I CAN'T GET THROUGH...
    
    SOMEBODY PLEASE START DIALING!!!!
    
    
    

    
    ok - I'm on.  stay tuned for details.
    
    

    
    
    1st mail in date is TODAY July 10th
    
    6 tickets max for Oregon only
    
    Aug 22 and 23
    
    $32.50
    
    8190
    
    FINALLY!!!!!!!!!  :-) :-) :-)...
    
    

    
    oh yeah - somebody please send member that.  thx
    
    

    
    >oh yeah - somebody please send member that.  thx
    
    Done.


	8^)  8^)  8^)

    
    >6 tickets max for Oregon only
    
I can't get through, is this 6 per show??

Scott

    
    yes.  They say that there's plenty of mail order tickets and they
    believe all orders will be filled.
    

    Veneta mail order is today. Please call the hotline to verify this
    info. Someone send/members please. info follows...
    
    					Good Luck,
    		
    					     Gerry
    
    
    
    
New Message as of July 9 on MO Hotline,

Veneta Mail Order has been announced.


Mail Order Starts FRIDAY JULY 10 (TODAY)
                  **********************

Price = $32.50 /ticket, 6 Tickets/Show/Person Max.

August 22 (SAT) & 23 (SUN)

Concerts are GA.
A Taping ticket is required.

    Make your Postal Money Order or American Express Money Order payable to:
        Grateful Dead Ticket Sales - VENETA
   
    Mail your ticket orders to:
        Grateful Dead Ticket Sales - VENETA
        Box C-S 8190
        San Rafael  CA  94912
   
    Postage on your return envelope:
         1-8 tickets - 29 cents.
        9-12 tickets - 52 cents.
   
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
        	GRATEFUL DEAD TICKET SALES

        	  Mail order instructions

Please send your orders in a #10 sized envelope. Include the following:

Index Card:

    A 3x5 index card-NOT PAPER!-, any other size will not fit in our
    files and may get lost.  On this 3x5 card, write in the upper
    left hand corner:

        Your FULL NAME
        Your Address
        Your Area Code and Phone Number

    In the middle of the card, put your ticket request by preference
    
        -if you want tapers tickets make sure to write TAPER
         next to your request
        -"ANYTHING AVAILABLE" as your last preference lets GDTS
         know that you want them to make reasonable substitutions
         if your request cannot be filled by the time they get to
         it.  Otherwise, if any part of your request cannot be
         filled, none of it will.

Return Envelope:

    Include a #10 sized Self Addressed, Stamped Envelope for
    your tickets.  PLEASE do not decorate your return envelope
    with Grateful Dead art or mention of tickets, it only invites
    theft.  (For example: Tickets Enclosed)  We do love and display
    the artistic and colorful incoming order envelopes!!!

    Make sure to include correct postage. Currently this is $.29 for
    1-8 tix, $.52 for 9-16 tix. We recommend that you have your
    tickets sent back by registered mail. Include the fee for this
    in your money-order, do not add extra postage. This fee does not
    include postage, you must still put a stamp on your return
    envelope. The fee for this service is currently $6.25

Payment:
    
    Include a POSTAL MONEY ORDER or an AMERICAN EXPRESS money order.
    Make payable to:   GRATEFUL DEAD TICKET SALES-CONCERT NAME
    for the exact amount.

    No other money orders will be accepted.  Make sure your name and
    address are on the money order.  Keep your receipt!!  If your 
    order is not filled your payment will be returned to you.

    No personal checks or cash EVER!!

Other:
    Please include your name, return address, and the dates and # of
    tickets for each on the OUTSIDE of your order.

    One order per envelope and one order per person.  Each person
    must fill out their own order.  Duplicate orders of any kind
    will cause disqualification of all involved orders.
    (Which means: If we announce 3 concerts in the same city,
    you may order the maximum number of tickets to all 3 concerts
    in one envelope, unless we state otherwise.  Mixed orders or
    orders for more than one city in one envelope will not be
    accepted.)

    All orders will be filled on a "first come, first served"
    basis by date postmark, NOT by when we receive them.  
    
    NO METERED MAIL, EXPRESS MAIL, OR FEDERAL EXPRESS ACCEPTED!!

    (Express Mail and FedEx are never accepted and are a waste
     of your money)

    If we decide to do a random selection mail order we will
    announce it on the hotline before hand.  (If we receive more
    mail postmarked the first day than we have tickets for,
    then the mail order automatically becomes a "random selection"
    mail order.)

    The address to send your order to is:

        Grateful Dead Ticket Sales - Name of Concert
        P.O. Box C-S 8150
        San Rafael, CA 94912

    The P.O. box number alternates between C-S 8190 and C-S 8150.
    Always confirm it before ordering.

    The mail order hotline (415) 457-8457 will give the correct 
    information and address to mail for tickets.  Do not use any
    other address or your request will not be filled!!  If the
    hotline instructions are different from the above, then always
    follow the hotline instructions or your order may be canceled.


Please write to us with any suggestions, problems, praise or
complaints at:

    Grateful Dead Ticket Sales
    P.O. Box  9812
    San Rafael, CA  94912

    DON'T SEND TICKET REQUESTS TO THE ABOVE ADDRESS, THEY WILL BE
    RETURNED!

    HOTLINES:	
        East Coast:	(201) 488-9393	(new jersey)
[NOTE by Tim:  I Believe the Easct Coast # has changed,
 to (201) 744-7700, but the machine is not working....]

        West Coast:	(415) 453-6388	(california)

        Mail Order Information  (415) 457-8457
        Mail Order Problems     (415) 457-8034

    Semi-Normal office hours are:
        M-F 11-5 Cal time (usually only after a mailing)

    Is there anyone going to both veneta shows who would be willing and
    able to transport my D5, batteries, blanks and cables to veneta, hand 
    it off to a taper god for me, then transport it back? I will arrange
    for the deck to be run by said deity, you just have to bring it into
    the pit early enough so that it isn't a pain for them to hook it up.
    Drop it off on 8/22, pick it up on 8/23. You, of course will be free 
    to copy the tapes. Must be reliable.
    
    						Gerry

    oops... sorry if the info in .57 is redundant. I'm not receiving
    mail from send/members for some reason.
    
    - Gerry

    that's OK, we know how ya are! %^)
                                      rfb

Apologies to Janice...

	Oh lord wontcha bless my Field Trip MO
	My friends will all be there
	And so I must go

	Worked hard on decorations
	To make it really glow
	So lord, wontcha bless my field trip MO

	Oh lord wontcha buy me a 44 hz sampling DAT 
	Those DAT trees are calling
	I must have at that

	I'd build you Mike stand
	That's taller than Jerry's Fat
	Oh lord, wontcha buy me a 44 hz sampling DAT

	Oh lord wotcha grant me a permanent backstage pass
	I won't hassle Jerry
	I wouldn't be crass

	I'd help fend off crewsluts
	by offering them my ass	
	Oh lord wotcha grant me a permanent backstage pass

	Oh lord please deliver unto me my holy Dead
	I'll hitchhike from Boston
	Just to hear a "Tennessee Jed"

	I'd sell off my firstborn
	And buy a DAT instead
	Oh lord please deliver unto me my holy Dead...
	
:-)

	8^)  8^)  8^)

    
    mine too.  (thanks to Fredda)
    
    :-)
    
    

	oh Fog!!!!!!!!!  What a great laugh!!!!!!!!!!!

	...about that last verse though...does Charlie-O know about
	this?!?

	Debess

I sent it on up to dead flames, as well, just to make sure the dieties rilly 
hear my plea, and added this verse (just for Mr. Universe, hope he sees it)...

:-)

	Oh lord woncha let me live through my bunjee jump
	My brain's overloading
	Its nearing a crash dump

	I've seen that the universe
	Is all made up of lumps
	So lord woncha let me live through my bunjee jump
    
    

I don't believe it... I took Friday off (to go down to the Oregon 
Country Fair in Veneta, of all places) and MO was announced.

So now I have a dilemma and I need some help.  

I had planned to get tickets locally thru Fastixx phone order or
over-the-counter rather than MO.  But after hearing about MO starting
last Friday, and calling Fastixx 10 minutes ago and talking to someone
who said they still don't know when they will be handling tickets
(actually what he said was, the shows still aren't confirmed; when I
told him about the hot-line announcement he said that was preliminary
and wasn't "real", that Fastixx was hearing that mail order wouldn't
start until the 25th... in other words, this guy knew NOTHING) I need to 
re-think this.  Maybe I should mail order.

Things I need input on to help me decide:

.  is it too late already to MO?

.  "traditionally", are most GD tickets sold thru MO or are plenty 
usually available thru local outlets?

.  I have never MO'd before.  Not to cast any doubts but are the 
instructions in .57 full and complete so that a novice won't screw 
things up?

.  or would it make sense to wait until Fastixx gets it together and go 
with my original plan to get tickets thru them?

Thanks,

Chuck
    

    There are 20,000 tix/show available from GDTS and 20,000/show available
    thru Fastixx. I'd MO anyways, you'll get your money back if they sell
    out. You may get rejected, however, since this may be a hot ticket.
    It doesn't seem to be, though, and lots of people were caught off
    guard by the MO announcement.

FWIW, when I called the m.o. hotline on Friday it said outlets on-sale date is 
July 25 at north west ticket outlets (did not say which company will handle 
it).

RE: Chuck's questions

>.  is it too late already to MO?

They said they expect to have plenty of tix to fill all orders, but didn't say 
if they meant first day orders or what.  I would imagine though that since it 
was a Friday and basically a same-day announcement, that quite a few folks 
might be in the same boat you are and it would be worth sending in your order.

>.  "traditionally", are most GD tickets sold thru MO or are plenty 
>usually available thru local outlets?

I believe (and may be wrong) that it's usually about half and half.  But who 
knows if they are handling this in the usuaul manner.

>.  I have never MO'd before.  Not to cast any doubts but are the 
>instructions in .57 full and complete so that a novice won't screw 
>things up?

They look like they are indeed complete.  Check out note 15.* for other 
explantions (says the same basic thing, but there may be examples as well).

>.  or would it make sense to wait until Fastixx gets it together and go 
>with my original plan to get tickets thru them?

Hmmm, that's going to hasve to be your call.  I've never even heard of Fastixx 
to know how reliable their system is...

Scott

According to a friend of mine in Oregon, G.I. Joes is selling tickets NOW. 
Please confirm this before wasting gas...


From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "Bill Saltzstein" 13-JUL-1992 11:36:14.66
To:	cscma::m_peckar
CC:	
Subj:	g.dead tix

The ticket outlet GI Joes has tix on sale today.  Rae is going to go
over at lunch and try to get 4; I'll let you know later how she did.

All for now,
Bill

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    Isn't GI Joes one of those places that takes *your* money, holds on to
    it until tix go on sale then buys them from Fastixx (or wherever) when
    they go on sale, then sells them to *you* at a markup? Seems I heard
    of this before from them. 
    
    No ticket outlet has them for sale that I know of, but then again, what 
    do I know?  

Thanks for the warning. I passed it on, making sure my friend buys tickets 
only, not vouchers for tickets...

    Okay, I just MO'd... my first time... hope I didn't mess up... I have a
    feeling that come the 25th, I'm going to be in line at Fastixx "just to
    be sure"... :-)
    
    FWIW, it was in the Portland OR papers on Friday that the day before
    (Thursday), a judge ruled against an effort to block the concerts.  A
    group of residents and property owners in the Elmira-Veneta area had
    appealed the permit issued for the concert by the Lane County
    Commissioners under the Oregon State mass gathering permit process. 
    According to the article, it was this dismissal that once and for all
    cleared the way for the concerts to take place.  This explains why it
    took so long for things to become clear and the official announcement
    to be made.
    
    Chuck

G.I. Joes has a Fastixx outlet, and did _not_ have tickets go on sale 
yesterday.  Apparently, some form of media (radio or newspaper) said
otherwise Sunday night.

Gerry's speculation was not correct, either: G.I. joes is apparentlys a 
reputable dealer of tickets...

re: <<< Note 260.73 by CSCMA::M_PECKAR "spinning that curious sense" >>>
    
>Gerry's speculation was not correct, either: G.I. joes is apparentlys a 
>reputable dealer of tickets...
    
    What I meant was, if they were on sale at GI Joes yesterday, then they
    would be selling vouchers because I know of no one who would have been
    selling tickets yet. 

Right, but I just wanted to make sure that no-one interpreted this string of 
replies as representing negative comments about another company.  I've gotten 
personally nailed by that before in another conf.

Fog

Ok, nowe that the ticket deal is known, does anyone know of any motels/hotels
around the show area?  Fog, can you ask your Oregon friend about this?  I'd
like to make reservations ASAP... B&Bs are fine too.

Also, if anyone can recommend a place to look for this stuff, I'd likwe
to know.

JC

JC,

	It been 7 years since I lived out there, so I may not be a very good 
source of information.

Send Email to Norma Sax, decwrl::"sax.uoregon", or if that bounces, 
"[email protected]".

She'd most likely be very happy to help you. 

Let us know how you fair...

Fog

    I will scour my Oregon B&B and inexpensive hotel books tonite and post
    some info here tomorrow.
    
    Word is, that the motels are rapidly filling up in the Eugene area.
    
    Will also include camping information.
    
    Chuck

Immediate vicinity:

  Eugene: about 15 miles east of the Oregon Country Fair site

    Aristea's Guest House B&B, 1546 Charnelton St (503)683-2062
    Atherton Place B&B, 690 W Broadway (503)683-2674
    B&G's B&B, 711 W Eleventh (503)343-5739
    Campus Cottage B&B Inn, 1136 E 19th (503)343-5346
    Chambers House B&B, 1006 Taylor St 1-800-543-0707
    Duckworth B&B Inn, 987 E 19th (503)686-2451
    Eugene Hilton Hotel, 66 E Sixth (503)342-2000
    Farmer's Daughter B&B, 99 Hoyt Ave (503)688-4229
    Fort Smith B&B, 2645 Emerald Rd (503)687-9079
    Getty's Emerald Garden B&B, 640 Audel Ave (503)688-6344
    Holiday Inn, 225 Coburg Rd just off I-5 (503)342-5181
    Kjaer's House In The Woods B&B, 814 Lorane Hwy (503)343-3234
    Lorane Valley B&B, 86621 Lorane Hwy (503)688-0241
    Mapletree Inn, 412 E 13th Ave (503)344-8807
    Maryellen's Guest House B&B, 1583 Fircrest (503)342-7375
    Motel 6, 3690 Glenwood Dr (503)687-2395
    New Oregon Motel, 1655 Franklin Ave (503)683-3689
    Pookie's B&B On College Hill, 2013 Charnelton St (503)686-9312
    The Lyon and The Lambe Inn, 988 Lawrence St (503)683-3160
    The Shepherd's Inn B&B, 91335 Triple Oaks Drive (503)344-1769
    Travelers' Inn, 540 E Broadway 1-800-432-5999
    Valley River Inn, 1000 Valley River Hwy (503)687-0241
    Van Buren House B&B, 1188 Van Buren (503)687-1074

  Elmira: about 2 miles from fair site, 14 miles west of Eugene

    McGillivray's Log Home B&B, 88680 Evers Rd (503)935-3564
    The Dome B&B, 24454 Warthen Rd (503)485-4495


North: 

  Junction City: 17 miles north of Eugene

    Black Bart B&B, 94125 Love Lake Rd (503)998-1904

  Albany: 44 miles north of Eugene

    Lilla's B&B, Ellsworth and 7th (503)928-9437
    National 9/Al-Ray motel, 2727 E Pacific Blvd (503)926-4246
    Pony Soldier Motel, 315 Airport Rd just off I-5 (503)928-6322
    Takeena Lodge Motel, 1212 SE Price Rd (503)926-0170
    Valu Inn by Nendels Motel, 3125 E Santiam Hwy (503)926-1538
    Avalon Farm B&B, 25595 Green Peak Rd (503)424-3598

  Corvallis: 40 miles north of Eugene

    Hanson Country Inn, 795 SW Hanson St. (503)752-2919
    Harrison House B&B, 2310  NW Harrison (503)75-BNB4U
    Huntington Manor B&B, 3555 NW Harrison (503)753-3735
    Madison Inn B&B, 660 SW Madison (503)757-1274
    Nendel's Inn, 1550 NW 9th (503)753-9151
    Riverbank Motel, 101 NW Van Buren (503)752-9601
    Shanico Inn, 1113 NW 9th (503)753-7089

  Philomath: 6 miles west of Corvallis

    Hilton House B&B, 1036 Main St (503)929-3212

  Lebanon: about 45 miles north-northeast of Eugene

    Booth House B&B, 486 Park St. (503)258-2954

  Monroe: 21 miles north of Eugene

    The Valley Grand B&B, 26710 Alpine Cutoff Rd (503)847-5523

  Salem: 64 miles north of Eugene

    Grand Motel, 1555 State St (503)581-2466
    Motel 6, 2250 Mission St SE (503)588-7191
    New Kings Inn Motel, 3658 Market St NE just off I-5 (503)581-1559
    Oregon Capitol Inn Motel, 745 Commercial St SE(503)363-2451
    Pacific Highway Inn Motel, 4526 Portland Rd NE (503)390-3200
    Shilo Inn, 1855 Hawthorne NE (503)581-9410
    State House B&B, 2146 State St (503)588-1340
    Tiki Lodge Motel, 3705 Market St (503)581-4441


South: 

  Creswell: 10 miles south of Eugene

    Orleans Motel, 345 E Oregon Ave just off I-5 (503)895-3341

  Cottage Grove: 20 miles south of Eugene

    Deermeadow Inn B&B, 78876 Bryson Sears Rd (503)942-4878
    Village Green Motor Hotel, I-5/Cottage Grove Exit 1-800-343-ROOM

  Elkton: about 50 miles south/southwest of Eugene

    The Big K Guest Ranch, 5 miles S of town (503)584-2295

  Oakland: 55 miles south of Eugene

    Pringle House B&B, Locust and 7th St (503)459-5038
    Beckley House B&B, PO Box 685 (503)459-9320

  Roseburg: 71 miles south of Eugene

    Douglas Inn Motel, 511 SE Stephens St (503)673-6625
    Garden Villa Motel, 760 Garden Valley Rd (503)672-1601
    House of Hunter B&B, 813 SE Kane St (503)672-2335
    Master Host Motel, 427 NW Garden Valley Rd (503)673-5561
    Ponderosa Inn motel, 10 miles N just off I-5 (503)459-2236
    The Woods B&B, 430 Oakview Drive (503)672-2927
    Umpqua House B&B, 7338 Oak Hill Rd (503)459-4700


West:

  Florence: 61 miles west of Eugene, on the Oregon coast

    Driftwood Shores Resort, 3 miles N of town 1-800-824-8774
    Johnson House B&B, 216 Maple St (503)997-8000
    Money Saver Motel, 170 US 101 (503)997-7131
    Pier Point Inn, 85625 US 101 (503)997-7191


East: 

  Springfield: a couple of miles east of Eugene

    Motel 6, 3752 International Ct (503)741-1105
    Pacific 9 Motor Inn, 3550 Gateway (503)726-9266

  Leaburg: 20 miles east of Eugene

    Marjon B&B Inn, 44975 Leaburg Dam Rd (503)896-3145

  Pleasant Hill: 10 miles southeast of eugene

    Glendale Resort B&B, 85714 Parkway Rd (503)726-2064


This covers about 60 miles north/south of Eugene.  I can send listings 
for Portland and other faraway places if needed.

Room prices for B&B's appear to start at $45-55 and run to $75-95.  For 
motels and hotels, same range with some exceptions.

I don't personally vouch for these B&B's and motels except for the few 
that I have stayed in.  This list comes out of reputable sources, 
though.  Most of the larger towns (Eugene, Corvallis, Albany, Salem and 
Roseburg) will have motels not listed here.  I can get those listings if 
none of the above are available.

I'll post camping listings later.
    

    Friends tell me that Veneta tix have arrived. 
    
    - Gerry

Confirmed, via Flames:

GDTS started sending out Veneta tickets Friday (according to their postmarks)!

This great, casue now we'll really know whether or not to bother with Fastixx.

	my fingers are crossed for all of you!!!

    
    I was just talking to Jerri a little while ago (she says hi!) and I was
    trying to tell her who was going but couldn't remember everyone.
    
    So, who is?
    
    Scott, Fog & Rach, Bill & Jules, Ting & Randy..
    
    

    
     I'll be there :-)    Shoreline and Squaw Valley too!!
    
    
    Sean
    
    

    
    Veneta tix are definately in!  3 orders here in NYC (including mine!!)
    came in yesterday.
    
    The Saturday ticket says "Grateful Dead and other stuff" on it.
    
    :-) :-) :-)
    
    

	I'll be there, permitting I can get tickets.

Fastixx now is definitely confirming tickets will go on sale Saturday...

    High Sierra Road Show Presents
   
    THE RADIATORS from New Orleans
   
    FRIDAY, August 21, 10:00pm
    Eugene Hilton (in the ballroom), 66 East 6th Avenue
    $12.50 advance, $15.00 at the door.
   
    SATURDAY, August 22, MIDNIGHT (doors open 11pm)
    WOW Hall, 291 West 8th Avenue (at Lincoln)
    $14.00 advance, $16.50 at the door.
   
    Tickets on sale at all TicketMaster locations in Oregon and Washington
    and in California at all Bass/TM outlets including the Wherehouse and
    Tower Records.
   
    Tickets also on sale at:
    The Wow Hall, 291 West 8th Avenue, Eugene, 503-687-2747
    House of Records, 258 E 13th Avenue, Eugene, 503-344-7242
    CD World, 3215 West 11th Avenue, Eugene, 503-683-6902
    Record Garden, 1030 Willamette Street, Eygene, 503-344-4363
   
   From [email protected]

	I'll be in Oregon too if I get tix, which looks pretty likely!

	(C'mon Chuck!! :-)

Has anyone received tix via registered mail yet??

Scott

	Has anyone heard from Chuck F. lately, I am wondering if
	he is still planning on hitting Fatixxxxxxxxxxxxxx on 
	Saturday....sent email but no response yet.

re <<< Note 260.91 by EBBV03::SMITH "Lets get together B 4 we get much Older" >>>


>	Has anyone heard from Chuck F. lately, I am wondering if
>	he is still planning on hitting Fatixxxxxxxxxxxxxx on 
>	Saturday....sent email but no response yet.

chuck is out of work w/ some kind of knee injury ... i think he is reading
mail, but not totally sure.

Registered always takes a lot longer...

    
    	We recieved our Veneta tickets on Monday and Shoreline tickets too,
    a couple of days before that ! Neither were sent registered mail.
    	The Saturday Veneta tickets say "Grateful Dead and other stuff",
    the Sunday tickets say only "grateful Dead" ? I guess there will be no
    other stuff on Sunday. The Message with the tickets talks about a
    shuttle bus from Autzen Stadium in Eugene to the fair grounds, which
    is the recommended mode of transportation. Car pooling to the fair
    grounds is also recommended due to the fact that there is only one road
    from Eugene that will get you there. They say there will be "limited"
    camping available at the show site and they also list a bunch of hotels
    and campgrounds which seems to match the list already posted by Chuck a
    few replies back, only not as comprehensive.
    
    TL

Oh Yeah, I got mine, too...

	Howdy fellow Veneta goers!

	I havn't heard from Chuck about him going to Fast tix, so
	I am going to try my hardest Saturday by phone.  Is there
	anyone else who is going to order tickets by phone?  Lets
	team up!  

	I WILL TAKE ANY EXTRA'S 

We got our yellow slip a few days ago, but haven't picked up the
tickets yet 8-}.

peace,
t!ng

I haven't got nuthin yet.  I'll call tomorrow if I still haven't received 
anything to find out if I need to call Fastixxxxxxxx.  8^/

Scott

    
    I talked to Chuck, he's ok, still planning on going to Fastixx
    on Saturday.  I will be talking with him tonight, he said he 
    has not received Veneta Tix yet either.  Stay tuned

    	for you!

    
    I know one other person who hasn't gotten them yet either.   I wouldn't
    worry - everyone I know who has gotten tix got pretty low numbers. 
    GDTS is selling 20,000 per show, right?
    
    I bet they'll be there tonight! :-)
    
    

    Like fog sez, if registered mail takes looooooooooooooooonger.
    Not for the MOSS prone.

    >Like fog sez, if registered mail takes looooooooooooooooonger.
    >Not for the MOSS prone.

Yeah, I know it takes longer, but my mistrust (well, not really mistrust, but 
more like lack of confidence) in the USPS over rules my need for MOSS 
avoidence  ;^)

I only care enough to MOSS (just a little) this time because other people are 
relying on my order for tix and I need to know if I should call or not on 
Saturday.

Scott

Mine was registered mail, but of course since I'm in California, it
probably takes less time.  You should probably call the problem hotline
at 415-457-8034 tomorrow between 11am-5pm California time and ask them
if your order has been filled.  Then, you'll know if you should get tix
on Saturday or not.  BTW, last time I talked to Coz, it sounded like she
was low on cash and she's hoping to have enought cash in time for the
on sale date Saturday, but she running her own business and all, you
can never tell.  If anyone feels like getting two extra tickets for 
Coz on Saturday, she'd probably appreciate it (but you should probably
check with her if you were going to do that to see if she needs it ->
hate to see you get stuck with extras 8-})  Email me if you need her
number.

peace,
t!ng

    I got Veneta tix via registered mail to Princeton MA.
    
    /bruce

    
    Jerri and Roger put money aside and are set for fastixx on Saturday.
    Hope the lines aren't too bad!
    
    Scott, I agree with t!ng.. call the problem number.
    
    

    Back at work and reasonably well today.
    
    Status of my tickets: 
    
    	I definitely have 2 per show (extras from a friend who MO'd for 
    	more than he needed) 
    
    	I nearly-definitely have 3 more per show (my own MO, not yet arrived,
    	but I called the ticket problems hotline yesterday, they checked and
    	told me my order was filled even though I shorted them on the
    	registered mail fee.  I assume they are lost in the registered mail
    	void at this time.)
    
    So that gives me a total of 5 per show, enough to cover all who I was
    working with except for 2 for Deane Smith on Sunday.
    
    	JC - will be covered by what I have
    
    	Phyllis and t!ng - mo'd and got all you need, right?
    
    	Scott - mo'd, hasn't received them yet, but we worked out a 
    	way to figure out how to handle this
    
    	Deane - needs 2 for Sunday only
    
    	Tom Lawlor - mo'd and got them.
    
    Since I am going down to Oregon tonite to get Deane's and maybe Scott's, 
    I can also get additional tickets for anyone else who still needs them.
    
    Let me know today please.  I will be at work until noon then I am
    hitting the road.  Email me by then or call me DTN 545-4221 and leave a
    message.  If I have already left I will still be checking voicemail
    tonight from Oregon.
    
    Chuck

For those still waiting for MO..

I only got mine on Wednesday: they were low numbers and not registered...

I will most likely two have extra's for Sunday's show, but i won't know until 
after I've arrived in Oregon...

Good luck all you Fastixx aspirees!

    
    Hi Chuck..
    
    Yeah, I'm all set.. thanks for asking.
    
    See you there!
    
    

	I wanted to thank Chuck for driving to Oregon and trying to help
	us people (that say Oregon the wrong way) ;-) to get tickets.
	
	Thanks a million!!!

	I too want to publically thank Chuck for dealing with this!!!
	
	If you're in Boston in Sept and have no tix, I will do my best
	to take care of ya mon!!!!

	Thanks and talk to ya (chuck) monday!
	JC, off camping

They (the GDTS folks) must have had a good night last night, they're not 
answering yet.  

8^)

Scott

    they know your calling...they are all sitting around looking the phone
    ringringring laughin...."its Scott ! hahaha I knew he'd be callin' soon
    enough !"
    
    
    Chris :')

heh heh heh heh  8^)

   I'M IN, I'M IN!

	8^)

   Scott

    
    	I too want to thank Chuck about being so attentive in makeing sure
    that everyone with ticket needs are being taken care of. I'm sure we
    all appreciate it very much, I know I do... I also caution people about 
    hanging on to alot of extras since my guess is that if you wait to unload 
    them at the shows you will be very lucky to get face value. It'll likely 
    be a buyers market.
    
    TL

I'm all set, Chuck.  Thanks for all your intended help.  Let me know
if ou ever need tix to California shows (except NYE 8-).

peace,
t!ng

    
     I got mine :-)
    
    Sean

    
    
    	Greetings!
    
    	This talk's got me all excited here...  My friend in Eugene got
    	me a sunday ticket - all I needed was one to book the flight, so
    	I'm goin!!   eeeeeyyaaaahhhooooooo!!
    
    	But I could use one for saturday ... I could offer dibs on my
        boston garden order which I got in on the first day. Ordered tix
    	for each night, but don't think I'll need 6 shows in that ole
    	building after seeing them footloose and fancy free in Veneta!
    
    	Anyone got a saturday?
    
    	Merci!
    
    	/Ken
    

There's a gif file of a map of the fairgrounds which I'll post a pointer to as 
soon as I find the time to log on to my old system and uu-de-encode the thing.

fog

>    	Anyone got a saturday?

Why, is it sold out already??  Tix went on sale Saturday, the 25th,
so it may not have sold out yet, but who knows??

peace,
t!ng

    
    	re: being sold out - {I'm not fluent enough with this notes stuff 
    			      to extract previous comments for reference..}
    
    	I guess I just assumed that saturday sold out `cause my friend
    	went down there on a mission to score three for each night and
    	got only Sundays....  hmmm ...  He *is* kinda low on cash.
    
    	Naw! He woulda gotten emmm!
    
    	May have to give him a call!

	My Veneta tickets are all set!  Thanks again Chuck!

	I'm dancin around my office, I just can't believe I am 
	finally going to see something more than the east coast.
	I have never been more west than friggin Buffulo in my 
	life.  I want to smell the pine trees, climb the highest 
	mountains, swim in a hot spring, drink wine, surf on a 
	pacific wave, and most of all I want to meet people on the
	other coast! especially the DECheads that can't be at our
	camping trips or lunches!  	


	I just can't believe it! 
	

>    	I guess I just assumed that saturday sold out `cause my friend
>    	went down there on a mission to score three for each night and
>    	got only Sundays....  hmmm ...  He *is* kinda low on cash.
>    
>    	Naw! He woulda gotten emmm!
>    
>    	May have to give him a call!

Nope, you're right.  The shows *are* sold out!!  I just got a call from
a friend looking for tickets (one for each night), so if you've got an
extra for each night, let me know so I can get him in touch with you.
Take care of the deccies first though with the extras 8-).

peace,
t!ng

    According to Ticketmaster here in Seattle, both shows ARE sold out.

Fairgrounds map...  Resolution is not that great, but what they hey...


Spice::user1:[peckar.dw.image]veneta.gif

    I'm still looking for a reliable soul to retrieve my deck and tapes
    from reb after the sunday veneta show. He should be easy to find,
    just head into the taper section after the show and walk around
    shouting "Hoboken!". :-) The tapes and deck aren't very big to
    transport - about the size and weight of a large calculus textbook.
    Send email if you can help.
    
    - Gerry

	Hey Ger, If you cannot find anyone I'd be happy to transport	
	it back with me, but I will be doing the "west coast thang"
	for a week after the show and it would have to ride in the trunk 
	of my rental car for the whole time.... :-/

    Actually, I should probably just send it on tour so that it ends up in
    my hands in Boston. :-)

    
    	I'll offer alternate services if it'll help ... I'm doing my
    	west coast thang the week before and will be taking a Red Eye
    	back moday night... No prob picking it up...  
    
    	Work in HLO - 
    
    	/ken 

    
    
    	Ohh, and by the way, it looks like I've got an extra Sunday
    	ticket if anyone needs one...
    

    
    	Airfare Reductions to Portland and Eugene:
    
    	Just thought I'd mention that my friend/travel agent is working
    	a deal for me that gets basically two for one on airfare....
    
    	If anyone else has yet to book and could take a week from tueday
    	the 18th through tuesday the 25th, please send me mail today.
    	The flight must be booked by tomorrow, but I won't be here so I
    	gotta do it today...
    
    	The fare would be ~$200/person rond trip as opposed to $450/pers.
    	The only remaining flights go into Portland though not Eugene.
    	But a car for a week is only ~100. bucks, or I could likely
    	convince my friend there to come get us....
    
    	/ken

	Well I guess it's time to consider and maybe even arrive 
	on a Veneta meeting spot.  I (unfortunately) will not be
	able to be in Veneta for the first show but will be there
	in full attire for Sunday's performance.  I am flying
	out of Logan at 7:00AM Saturday morning, now on United
	airlines, and will be arriving in Portland around noon.
	I will be staying at Armitage (sp) State Park near Eugene
	for Saturday evening.  I think if we could find a notable 
	landmark at the fairground itself where we would be able
	to coordinate a gathering.  

Gather around me.  :-)  I'll be towards the back, and real easy to spot, since
Charlie will be on my shoulders; there should be plenty of room to move around
back there too, and the music wont be so loud that we'd have to scream at each
other just to say "hi".  I'll be hanging so far back for Charlie's sake, btb. 

Meeting before the show will be impossible for me, since I'm coming in from the
coast via backroads, where most of you will probably be taking in the buses
from Autzen; those who are might want to ask someone whose been to Autzen for
advise on meeting places, though...

fog,  i would like to know about any backroads or shortcuts to get into
veneta to make my life easier... can you help?

does the m.o. information mention anything about where to get buses, etc?

    JC, I can help on that one.  I assume you're still coming into Seattle
    on the 14th, right?  I'll have maps with me when I see you.
    
    Chuck

re           <<< Note 260.136 by GUIDUK::FLOOD "stronger than dirt" >>>

>    JC, I can help on that one.  I assume you're still coming into Seattle
>    on the 14th, right?  I'll have maps with me when I see you.
 
Yup.  Still coming.  Next week, I'll be in touch w/ you about meeting up, etc.
that would be grand if you could point us in the right directions, etc.  we're
still not 100% sure we'll camp - we have to put our camping stuff in a pile and
see if we can carry it !! :-)

thanks,/jc

    
    	A good friend is in need of a ticket for both Saturday and Sunday
    Veneta shows. If anyone can help out please let me know.
    
    Thanks,
    TL

    It's been posted on rec.music.gdead that Veneta's been cancelled.  Also
    a rumor that the entire fall tour may be in jeopardy, due to Jerry's
    health problems.
    
    Sorry to bum you all out so early in the morning.
    
    Jamie

    
    Just called, as of yesterday (aug 10th) there is no bad
    news on the problem line.  

    
    	Wow....   My phone rang 4 times after midnight with the same
    	news...  Already made airlines rezzies for Veneta, and just got
    	11th row center in the mail for the bahston benefit show...
    
    	I really hope the ole man is alright!   Must be alot more than
    	your common cold...
    
    						Touch of Grey Taday

    
    	It is true, at least according to Kit Kesey.
    
    	Havn't heard anything from GDTS, but I think this shows
    	us that Jerry is a little more sick than what has been 
    	said in the past.
    
    	Looks like I'll be skiing on Mt Hood after all.
    	 

    
    	>  Looks like I'll be skiing on Mt Hood after all.
    
    	Hmmmmm!!   Tell me more!  I'm still heading west - I need the
    	vacation!  

    
    Well, if this is true, I shall have alot more time
    to see the coast I've never seen before.
    
    Mt Hood is supposed to be open until Sept, I will call tonight
    when I get home to see if their snowfields are holding out
    despite the drought. 
    
    I have reservations in Yosemeti for Mon, Tues, and Wed nights.
    
    Hopefully Thursday I will be at Shoreline show.
    
    Leaving back out of Portland Sunday 8/30.
    
    
    

    According to Field Trip Productions, "Kit Kesey regrets to announce..."
    
    	shows are postponed
    	due to Jerry's health problems
    	a full recovery is expected
    	no re-schedule date yet
    	ticket refunds at point of origin.
    
    Chuck

    I'm waiting for an email reply from Steve Marcus to verify this.
    Not that it seems to need verification anymore. He probably won't 
    be into work for a while, however. He's the one who has to change 
    the hotline messages. Hopefully he'll shed a little more light
    on the situation.
    
    - Gerry

    Bummer for those of you planning to go out there.  I hope the Dead
    organization is waiting for a while to see if Jerry's health improves.
    Good vibes going out to Jerry...
    
    BTW, anyone who went to the Bob/Rob show: did Michelle Shocked seem
    ill?  She was supposed to be at Newport this past Saturday but
    cancelled at the last minute due to illness.  Was really looking
    forward to seeing her, but at least they got an excellent last-minute
    substitute (Shawn Colvin).
    
    Scott
    

Major bummer!  More because Jerry is ill enough to be canceling/postponing 
showz then for my own loss (I was _really_ looking forward to this).  I don't 
know why, but I really did have a feeling this was going to happen.  Time to 
send some good vibes to the Bay area.  Since I have a nonrefundable ticket, I 
guess I'll be going skiing instead...

Scott

    I hear that Shoreline is off also.
    
    Jamie

    
    	Tickets from United are not refundable for cash, but for a $25
    	change fee, you can apply this fare towards another trip...
    
    	Ken_who_is_now_thinking_of_those_3_places_he_described_in_the_
    	SanFrancisco_topic!
    
    	

 Back to Scott A for a minute...Michelle Shocked seemed fine at GW..she was
 dancing around and having a great old time..




 Jum

from the well....
   
            FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE           August 10, 1992
    
      Grateful Dead must unfortunately announce the cancellation of the concerts
    planned for Veneta, Oregon on August 22 and 23 and Shoreline Amphitheatre,
    Mountain View, California, on August 25 through 27, to give Jerry Garcia
    sufficient time to recuperate from health problems brought on by a too-heavy
    tour schedule.  In other words, he's just plain axhausted.
    
      We certainly expect his full recovery, probably by the time planned for
    these concerts, but are unwilling to take even the mildest risk.
    
      Tickets will be refunded at their place of sale.  No make-up dates are
    scheduled.
    
      We regret the inconvenience of this change to our fans and the business
    community of Eugene, but we know that they all will join us in wishing for
    Jerry's speedy and complete return to good health.
    

    hang in there Jerry! and behave yerself! 
    
    rfb sending healthy vibes out 

	Re: Jerry's health problems...

	I'd bet a cup of coffee that it's back to the rehab for Jerry.
	But that's my sarcastic side leaking out...

    Perhaps someone should send/members .152. I have no nmail on this
    cluster.

 I'll do it..




Jum

Oh well, Decadenal, schmecadenal I always say.   :-/

I'll take the extra time to SKI Mt Hood, or maybe make that side trip to 
Olympia Nat. Park!!!

Remeber, the shows are _postponed_, so who knows? Maybe they'll rescedule for 
later that afternoon instead????

    Time to dust off the old wand and see what shakes out.

re        <<< Note 260.157 by CSCMA::M_PECKAR "I second that electron" >>>
                                  -< bummer! >-

>Remeber, the shows are _postponed_, so who knows? Maybe they'll rescedule for 
>later that afternoon instead????

i thought the note Gerry posted said no rescheduling.

    As I understand it the shows are *not* getting rescheduled. I expect
    the hotline to change soon with the aforementioned message and details
    on how and where to get your tickets refunded. 

    at least the RADS will still be in Eugene, so there will still be some 
    dancin to be done....
                         rfb

	Decadenal Field Trip postponed because of musician's illness

		    (Portland Oregonian, Aug. 11)

The Third Decadenal Field Trip, featuring the Grateful Dead, will be 
postponed because band leader Jerry Garcia is not well, concert 
organizer Ken Kesey announced Monday.

"Apparently his doctor advised him to take three weeks rest", Kesey 
said.  "If it's off a few months or a few weeks, it's not going to be 
that devastating."

Kesey said it might even be better to hold the gathering in rainy, cool 
weather, rather than the 100 degree heat of high summer.

Kesey said they would go ahead with performances by acts hired to play 
before and after the appearances by the Dead, which was scheduled Aug. 
22 and Aug. 23 in Veneta.

The Field Trip is a repeat of gatherings held on the site of the Oregon 
Country Fair in 1972 and 1982.  The event was sold out within five hours 
of tickets being offered, Kesey said.

Kesey, the author of the American literary classics, "Sometimes A Great 
Notion" and "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest", had been planning to hold 
the party to celebrate the publication of his new novel, "Sailor Song", 
at the same time.  He said he might have to schedule something else.

Neighbors, worried about the estimated influx of about 40,000 fans into 
the rural community, tried unsuccessfully in court to block the 
concerts.
    

    the "official" report in the Colo Spgs Gazette <----(there's a swastika in
    there somewhere) says Jerry suffers from exhaustion also. here'sHoping the
    kidney rumor is just that.                                      
                                                                       
                                                                    rfb

    exhausted eh? I hope thats all it is,.. but my first gut reaction was
    similar to Bob White's :-/ :-/
    
    I hope we're both wrong Bob
    
    							/Soko
    

    
    I wunder:  Wouldn't Jerry get _more_ rest by just doing shows. sHeck
    all he does is stand there and mindlessly diddle away, occasionally
    mumbling a lyric or two in no particular order...
    
    Just kidding...
    
    :-)   :-)   :-)

    
    
    I tend to believe that he is exhausted.....I'm always amazed when I see
    JGB setlists posted in here so shortly after a Dead tour has finished. 
    He doesn't take too many days off......hopefully he'll learn to pace
    himself a little better.
    
    Hogan

	Even though the spring and summer tours were hot, that 
	hiatus would have been the way to go.  

	Yeah, all those Shining Stars.....where Jerry yells "Oh 
	honey YOU"!!!! must'v have really been a drain

So, who's still heading to Oregon despite the show cancellations?  I'm
outta here tomorrow evening;  I'm going to meet Chuck Flood on Sat in
Seattle (I'm flying in and out of Seattle)...   should we attempt to have
a Oregonian Dechead gathering (ODG) ????

I thought I would enter this excerpt from a longer article  from 
Wednesday's SF Chron.

		GARCIA ILLNESS PUTS DEAD ON HOLD

		by Joel Selvin, Chronicle Pop Music Writer


	"......Garcia, who turned 50 last week, is said to be recovering
	from exhaustion brought on by a heavy summer touring schedule,
	not to mention a cigaret smoking habit, a weight problem, aversion
	to exercise and devotion to junk food."


Hm-m-m, sounds like a lot of people I know.

-jer

I'm still flying out next Friday and back on Monday.  A friend from Seattle is 
coming down to pick me up and from there we don't have any solid plans yet.  
Maybe check out Mt. St. Helens, or maybe just head to Seattle to see some old 
friends (they would have all been coming to Veneta :^().  

Scott

Just talked w/ Scott.  We're thinkin' that maybe we'll all hook up on
Sunday, Aug 23, somewhere between Portland, OR and Seattle (or, one of these
cities) for dinner, beer, etc... be cool to meet at a brewpub of some
sort that has good food and good beer............

i'll be in touch w/ chuck when i'm out there....

/jc

	I'll be a flyin out there next Satuday (22nd), I really
	want to ski, I am going to call Mt Hood tonight, will
	post the status of the conditions after I call.

    
    	I'm goin....  I need to get away, and for a mere $220 airfare
    	I guess there's no sense in stickin around the East coast...
    
    	I'm outta here effective today - won't be able to get tube info.
    	I'll be staying in Eugene with a friend. Actually, we'll in the
    	mountains most of the time, but stopping back from time to time.
    
    	Don't know if Portland is with in striking distance (?), but if
    	`the gang' plans to be NE where in the Eugene/Veneta area, drop
    	a line to me @ 503-344-5282. (Home of Paul Henion) I'd be psyched 
    	to meet up with y'all if we can swing it!
    
    	Enjoy!
    
    	/Ken
    	if we can work it out.

    I'm flying into Seattle on the 22nd as well. Then heading north into
    Bellingham. Cocktails at O'hare anyone? :-)

    
    I'm flying into Portland on the 20th.  I'll be staying at Jerri &
    Roger's. Plans are pretty up in the air, but I'll definately be
    catching a Rads show or two and seeing all the friends who have the
    same non-cancellable airline tickets I do.  
    
    Jerri and Roger are thinking of having some sort of gathering at their
    home over the weekend so they still get a chance to see everyone even
    though the shows are off.  If you think you'll be around the Portland
    area and into stopping by, send me mail.
    
    

    It's so nice to see everyone making the best out of the situation.
    I don't think I've read anyone actually _complain_ about the
    cancellation of the shows!!
    
    What a delightful group of people.  I hope you all have a wonderful
    time!!!
    
    sparkomatic

For those who are going to be in Seattle on the 23rd (Sunday) one spot to gather
would be the Blue Moon on 45th (take I-5 north to the 45th Street exit and
then a right onto 45th. It'll be about 100 yards down on the left). Sunday is
Grateful Dead night. The owners have quite a collection of tapes (perhaps that
elusive Springfield tape GerG?!) which are played throughout the evening. Fine
beer, "rustic" decor and plenty-o-heads.

Speaking of "rustic" good drinking establishments, for those heading to Mt Hood
check out Charlie's (assuming it's open this time of year)

Jeff_who_won't_be_in_Seattle_until_Sept_1

    
    here's another vote for the Blue Moon!!!
    
    Ger and i spent some time (and a fair amount of money on pool and Red
    Hook E.S.B. :^)  :^)  :^) there a couple of years ago...  i don't get
    to Seattle until Sept 4...  after a few days nekkid in a hot spring,
    i'll be back in Seattle mid week on labor day week...  i plan on
    quaffing a Red Hook or three in the Blue Moon at some point though!
    very cool place with some real nice people hanging out...
    
    we were there in time for lunch a couple of years ago...  suddenly the
    aroma of spicy chili filled the room...  one of the patrons had just
    finished making up a BIG batch and he brought it on down to the bar...
    if you were hungry, you could eat...  if you wanted to, you could help
    pay for it...  GRATE veggie chili with lot-o-spices!!!
    
    it was funny walking in there with our backpacks (just off the plane)
    and hearing the woman at the bar say "oh god, more of those god damn
    deadheads!"  one look at the big smile and we knew she was just bustin'
    us...  :^)  
    
    					da ve

re: Note 260.179 by JUNCO::DWEST 
    
    >it was funny walking in there with our backpacks (just off the plane)
    >and hearing the woman at the bar say "oh god, more of those god damn
    >deadheads!"  one look at the big smile and we knew she was just bustin'
    >us...  :^)  
    
    I ran into her at one of the Paris shows. 
    
    
    re: Sprinfield tape
    
    Doubtful. The Deadbase list came from the Vault, and none of the big 
    name tape collectors have it. So I doubt the Blue Moon would. You 
    never know, though.
    
    - Gerry

    I'm still going to Oregon on the 22nd and 23rd, had commitments to see
    family and friends anyhow.  I'll probably get down to the Veneta
    fairgrounds "just to see" what the scene looks like even without the
    band, see if there's vending, I can always use another tiedyed T :^)
    
    Plus, I need to return those **&@#& Fastixx tickets that I ended up
    getting.
    
    I'd like to meet someplace in the Eugene area or Portland that weekend,
    so if something gets decided please let me know.  Or earlier that week
    if people are passing through Seattle.
    
    In both Portland and Eugene, are places similar to the Blue Moon, called
    McMenamin's.  There's a chain of about 12 of them in Oregon, some being
    named something other than that but all part of the same outfit. 
    They're brew-pubs, make their own brews particularly fruited ales (like
    one called Ruby Tuesday which is a raspberry ale).  Not quite the same
    as the beloved Blue Moon in Seattle but close.
    
    Meeting points midway between Portland and Seattle are another story.  
    Other than open road there's not much of interest gastronomically in
    that 180 miles.

Is it the west coast hotline, mailorder hotline, or both that has the refund 
info on it?

Scott

That Blue Moon place sounds very cool!!!  Might check it out!!  thanks for
the tip...

    The place itself is pretty much a dive but the clientele are great.
    Interesting stuff on the walls - including t!ng stickers ;-).

I'm leaving Monday for Portland, and have a full "boat" of activities planned.
Got in touch with an old friend who guides rafting trips, and may be doing an
"exploratory" with him to test the effects of this drought on certain river
runs. Should be "interesting".  He's out of Medford, so I will be passing
through Eugene, maybe I'll give Ed a call if we have time.  No plans to venture
north of the Columbia this trip. 

We'll be staying in Amity, about half way between Portland and Eugene.  If you
really want to reach us, call 835-8113.

We'll try to make sure we at least hook with Coz & Phyllis...

Bye, y'all. don't reply cuz it'll be a month before I see the replies to this 
note again, send me Email by 5:00 if you want to leave me a number so we can 
hood up....

Fog

    
"Life After The Dead"

weekend of August 22 and 23
Conde Lumberyard, Harrisburg, OR
between Eugene and Coburg - Take I5 exit 209

$5/day
$15/weekend - includes camping!  
No re-entry.

Gates open Saturday at 9pm.  Festival ends Sunday evening.

Bands:

Dead Ringers (Tom Constanten + others)
Little Women
Clan Dyken
Renegade Saints
International Anthem
Hairy Mamas
+ some surprises
+ many more 

Other entertainment includes Ken Kesey and his "Magic Bus" and other
surprises.

There will be food booths and other vendors.

There is water on site.

This is a smaller festival (5000-6000 people) to take the place of the
cancelled Third Decadenal Field Trip.  It has absolutely nothing to do
with Oregon Country Fair or Field Trip Productions.  This is a
community/family event.  The purpose is to recoup some of the economic
losses to the community and turn an unfortunate situation into a good
time.

For additional information, call Bill Conde at 503-995-6164.  I suggest
you think twice before calling him.  He has less than 100 hours to get
this whole thing together.

I will post more details as soon as I get them from the promoter.  This
is all the info I have.  Please do not send me email regarding this.

There is absolutely no connection between myself or my employer and the
producers of this event.


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    the band "dead ringers" with TC and others, was review somewhere in
    here before...  they appeared at the old vienna a whilel back and were
    billed as kingfish...  from the stage they called themselves the dead
    ringers...  if you're going, you'll like 'em!  a lot!!
    
    					da ve

	So where's everyone gonna be when?  ;-)

	I arrive saturday 8/22 and will ski at Hood
	then head towards either crater lake or redwood forest til
	Monday.  Will probably continue south to Yosemeti on Monday.

	San Francisco on Wednesday and Thursday, back up North to fly
	out o Portland on Sunday (like way early)

Well, looks like I'll head up Seattle way to visit with some friends 
who were going down to Veneta.  Might check out Jimmy Buffett at The Gorge 
in George, Washington (oh how cute) on Saturday night.  Other than that, who 
knows...

Scott

    no ones goin to see the RADS!?!?!!?

    
    We're gonna try!  Don't know what night yet though.  I had gotten a
    phone call that said they were playing in Portland on Thursday night. 
    If that's true, we'll go then.  If not, maybe Friday night in Eugene,
    or maybe we'll miss them - depends how things go.  The hotline's got
    nothing about a Thursday Portland show so it just might've been a
    rumor.
    
    I'm so psyched to go!!!!!!  Two more days!!!!!!!!!  :-)
    
    

From: [email protected] (loose_connection)
Subject: Re: Announcing "Life After The Dead" Eugene, August 29 and 30
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:49:02 GMT


Notice...I've been asked to post this annoucement on behalf of
the people staging this event.  Apparently they are IN NEED OF
AN AIRLINE TICKET FROM BALTIMORE TO EUGENE, OR THEREABOUT...this
is provide transportation for one of the band members who cannot
get a cheap flight at this late date.

Anyone who knows anyone or has a non-refundable *cheap* ticket
from Baltimore to Eugene please call Steve Block or Bill Conde
at 503-995-6164.

There should be someone out there....


thanks.

Please don't bother emailing me with info...I'm only loosley connected
to this endeavour and am doing this because I was the closest person
with net access.

peace.

------------------------------

   "Life After The Dead" Update
   
   Contrary to the original announcement, Dead Ringers will not appear.
   
   Kesey will have a "Roadshow" there - it will take place on Sunday for
   3-4 hours (!)
   
   Doors open at 9 AM this Saturday August 22.  First band plays at Noon.
   
   Other bands added:
   
   Bloodstone
   Snowbud & The Flower People
   Kentucky Roads (bluegrass)
   
   Dance troups:
   
   Knee Deep
   Paradise Dancers
   
   Also:
   
   poets
   speakers 
   olists
   
   and surprises throughout weekend
   
   "Come with the spirit of adventure."
   

    geez, kesey is haven a rough time with this one, eh? first no dead,
    then no dead ringers...still should be a trip!
                                                  rfb

  Why don't they just play a board tape of 8/22/72 over the PS system ?
  I'd be happy to hear THAT! ;-)

  Josh

    Is dead ringers the same/similar to gratefully yours?  Because
    Gratefully Yours, Kingfish and a local band (Mango Jam) will be playing
    outdoors in Downtown Minneapolis this weekend - that might have been 
    why dead ringers isn't on the bill???
    
    :-) 
    Scott g  
    

I believe DeadRingers is the same as Kingfish.  The difference is that when Tom 
Constenten plays with them they are Kingfish and when ????? plays keys with 
them they are DeadRingers, at least that's how Mystery explained it to me I 
think (and maybe I have it backwards).

Scott

    backassward dude....well the last time I saw them da ve & Mystery were
    there but that night they were both (click) both bands in one.....
    
    Chris

    
    	I beleive they are called Deadringers when TC shows up,
    and Kingfish when Matt Kelly shows up....
    
    	Deadringers = Dead/Garcia/bluegrass tunes
    
    	Kingfish    = Kingfish/Cowboy tunes.
    
    	But both are excellent....
    
    	I think Phylis knows about Gratefully
    
     Yours....
    
    

   We just got back from Eugene this morning.  We caught the Rads on
   Friday and Saturday nights.  Saturday night was our friend Lori's
   birthday, so we had a cake brought up for her during the show.  Reggie
   said to me when he walked on stage "Boy, you sure get around!!"  8-)
   Who me??  ;-)  I was "on the rail" for both shows.  We didn't make it
   down to the "Life After Dead" thing.   On Saturday, we took a drive to
   the Oregon coast.  It was beautiful - kind of a giant version of La
   Honda.  I can definitely see ourselves moving up to Oregon if there 
   are more jobs up there.  On Sunday, we went with our friends Bob & Lori
   to the Terwilliger Hot Springs about 50 miles from Eugene and soaked in
   Nature's hot tubs for a few hours.  We saw a sign on the way into the
   Hot Springs that "some nudity will occur".  Some nudity??  *Nobody* had
   any clothes on.  I hadn't been to any public nudist spots, but I felt
   very comfortable there, so for those of you who have qualms about nudist
   spots, I say take it off (but leave it off at your own discretion)!  ;-)
   8-)

   peace,
   t!ng

Hey Ting!

Deb and I were on the OR coast on Sat too.  Did you see a white ford tempo
anywhere?  :-)  The OR coast is simply bootiful!!!!  A little bit of sandy
beaches, and a little bit of rocky coast.  We saw some seals as well....

I hooked up w/ Chuck Flood ok on the 15th.

then we hit the road.

I tried to hook up unsuccessfully w/ Coz and Phyllis.  Must have rang
Coz's phone 7 diff. times from Sat morn. to Sun morn....

/jc

Well, Coz has a boyfriend now, so .... ;^)

>I tried to hook up unsuccessfully w/ Coz and Phyllis.  Must have rang
>Coz's phone 7 diff. times from Sat morn. to Sun morn....

Coz's phone??  I think they were camping.  Coz lives in Portland which
is 2 hours from Eugene and they left for Eugene Friday afternoon.  I
saw Coz and Phyllis and Roger (Coz's beau 8-) at the Friday night Rads
show.  I didn't catch them Saturday or Sunday since I didn't go to the
Life After Dead thing at the Lumberyard and I think that's where they
were, but Phyllis should know better!  8-)  Hey Phyllis, what did you
and Coz end up doing for the weekend??

peace,
t!ng

    
    Dead Ringers didn't play cause one of the band members lost a parent. 
    Don't remember who..sorry.  Sounds like they would be part of what was
    Gratefully Yours.  When we saw that show, I think it was Kingfish, Tom
    C. solo, and then Merl and the Rainforest Band.  
    
    ~~~~~
    
    Oregon was incredible!  We flew in on Thursday, and spent Thursday
    night hanging out with Jerri & Roger in Portland.  Friday we checked
    out Portland for a while, hooked up with Fog, Rachel, Charlie, and some
    friends from New York at a VERY COOL brew pub called The Barley Mill. 
    Yummy "ruby" raspberry ale!!  We even bought a mason jar full to go!
    Then headed down to Eugene.  Met up with other friends at our motel who
    had come in from Seattle.  Jerri, Roger and I went to the Rads.. I
    thought it was a great show.  Also a good opportunity to see most of
    the friends from the east who had come in for the week and also some
    west coast friends we don't see that often.  After this weekend
    everyone pretty much had different vacation plans so it was nice to
    have a group party spot for at least one night.  Saturday, Jerri &
    Roger headed out to the "Life After Dead" festival but I stayed at
    the hotel for a chance to party with the Seattle folks.  After a pool
    party and TROUBLE championship (next time we're getting SORRY :-) we
    checked out the Eugene Saturday market for a while.  Lots of freaks
    around.  Saturday night we hit the festival for a while, and then went
    back for the day on Sunday.  It was pretty fun, but the music was just
    mediocre.  Little Women weren't scheduled until late Sunday and by then
    we were heading back up to Portland.
    
    The rest of the week was spent checking out one of the most beautiful
    states I've seen.  The coast was incredible.  To get there you drive
    through these beautiful, windy, mountain roads, and then all of a
    sudden you round a corner and there's the ocean!  Really breathtaking. 
    On the east coast, almost all the land leading to the beach is flat.
    And the beach itself was wonderful.  Miles of sandbars you can walk out
    on and play in the surf.  We spent a day at Cannon Beach where Haystack
    Rock is.  Haystack Rock is a huge rock that stands up out of the ocean
    and it's a protected bird sanctuary.  It looks just like one of Monet's
    haystacks! You can walk right up in the water to it and climb around on
    some of the smaller rocks near it.  Lots of neat creatures live there 
    too - whole clumps of live starfish.. really beautiful.  
    
    Another day was spent at Silver Falls State Park.  This is a big
    wilderness area about an hour or so outside of Portland in Silverton,
    OR.  There's miles of hiking trails throughout the park that pass by 10
    natural water falls.  We took a nice 4-5 mile hike and saw about 6
    falls.  The best part was that there were hardly any people there, so
    you could really just enjoy the sights and sounds of nature.  I love
    listening to waterfalls.
    
    Another great day - visiting Bagby Hot Springs.  This was the most
    beautiful drive yet - more mountain roads and winding rivers.  For
    about the last 15 miles or so that lead to the springs there's no signs
    of civilization at all (other than the cars and road :-).  I was really
    psyched to check this place out - friends from California went last
    summer and raved about it - but Jerri had been hearing some
    not-so-great things locally.  Seems like the place had gotten very
    popular lately and there'd been some vandalism.  Also, a friend had
    been there the week before and said it was more crowded than he'd ever
    seen it.  Well, we decided to try anyway.  When we got there, the lot
    was full of about 15 cars - we were kindof bummed.  Then we started on
    the 1 1/2 mile trail that leads in to the springs.  As we're walking,
    (through an intensely beautiful, old, peaceful, forest) people keep
    passing us the other way, heading out.  First two, then three, then
    another two... they kept on coming.  By the time we reached the
    springs, there was only one couple left there out of all those cars!
    Bagby is set up more like a spa - there's all these tubs carved out of
    cedar logs.  Individual ones and group ones, and you can regulate the
    amount of hot spring water that flows in.  There's also a well of cold
    mountain water to mix in so you can get the temperature you like. 
    Really beautiful and very different from other hot springs I've been
    to which was nice.
    
    Spent some time on Mt. Hood - easily the most impressive mountain I've
    seen.  Almost everything around it is very flat - so it looks even more
    majestic!  Watched the sunset from one of the ski areas near the top
    but unfortunately my camera was acting weird.  (I also caught a
    beautiful sunset on one of the flights - and took pictures.  Think
    they'll come out?  I was using one of those throwaway cameras that I
    bought when mine quit for good at the beach so we'll see..)
    
    The rest of the time in Oregon was spent checking out the Columbia
    River Gorge and hanging out in Portland, downtown and at the rose
    gardens.  I had planned to head down to Crater Lake for a couple of
    days but couldn't get to it this time.  I guess I'll just have to go
    back!
    
    Friday night I flew in to Oakland and met up with a bunch of friends at
    the Zero show at the Last Day Saloon in San Fran.  Then Saturday we
    just hung around the Haight, went to Art Rock, stuff like that.  We
    wanted to spend the day in Marin and drove out to Muir Woods and
    Stinson Beach, but Muir Woods was so crowded there were no parking
    spaces for a mile around the place, and then major fog rolled in and
    we couldn't see anything from Mt. Tam, so we just checked out the beach
    a little and went back to the city.
    
    Flew the red eye home Saturday night.  Absolutely one of my best
    vacations and a place I will definately return to.  
    
    Phyllis
    

re Phyllis' desposable camera

We got one of those cameras in San Francisco, and the pictures came out 
really well ...

- dc not a photographer and never played one on TV

RE:         <<< Note 260.204 by TERAPN::PHYLLIS "fly through the night" >>>
             -< mountains and waterfalls and hot springs and..... >-

    
   >    spaces for a mile around the place, and then major fog rolled in and
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^


       He got a promotion and didn't tell us?  :-)

    

	When my friend Steve and I arrived in Portland Oregon we
	hadn't the slightest idea what I was in for.  

	The folks at the airport were great, even the baggage was 
	put out quickly and kindly.  I picked up my rental car from
	a smiley girl at the counter and headed south on Rt 5. 

	Driving down to Eugene, the countryside was rolling with 
	an occasional farm here and there.  When we ascended the
	Cascade foothills I could clearly see why they named
	these mountains such a wonderful name, the mountains
	were lush and green and actually seemed to cascade into
	deep valley's with rivers in them.  It seems as though
	we drove upward for hours, the vegetation switched to 
	a sort of high country alpine forest with stunted conifers
	which lined the roads for miles and miles.  

	Diamond Lake campground was the destination for the evening,
	the cost was a mere $7 for the evening.  The ranger there
	was a superior host and after reciting the rules and regulations
	reminded us "most important of all, have fun!", and that we
	did.  The views were stupendous and the mountains surrounded
	the lake.

	The next morning the sky was as clear as could be, we embarked
	for Crater lake which was close by (10 miles).  Driving to 
	Crater Lake we passed through Pumice Desert, which had been 
	covered with 50' of ash from the volcano in which the Crater
	has replaced.  Upon looking over the edge of the 7500' lookout
	onto Crater Lake I stumbled in my footsteps because I was
	dazed by how absolutely INCREDIBLE Crater Lake is.  The ridge
	around the lake had a reddish brown appearance where the crater
	itself was nestled an average 1500' below the ridgeline.  The
	bottomless lake was such a color of blue it hurt my eyes to
	look at, not to mention the hughes casted by the shallower
	water along the shores.  I wanted to stay there for days 
	but unfortunately we only had a few hours.  An incredible place, 
	I would recommend it highly, so quiet.

	We travelled through a very hot valley onward to Mt Shasta for
	a fine evening at a KOA campground which wasn't all that great
	but it was ok.  The summit of Shasta was topped off with snow
	fields that draped down almost 1/2 way.

	Yosemite was beautiful as well, I was amazed at how far El 
	Capiton loomed over the valley.  We stayed at the Crane Flat
	campground which was about 15 miles from Valley, we were alerted
	by the ranger there that bears have been in the campground for
	a few nights now and two of them were in jeopardy of being shot.
	We saw none.

	The valley was nice, but much to crowded for my liking.  We
	sought relief by hiking up to the top of upper falls.  It was 
	a very difficult, steep, hike with lots of switchbacks that 
	weaved back and forth around and across the steep cliffs that
	surrounded.  We bathed underneath upper falls, the fall itself
	was flowing, but not that strongly, made for a great shower
	spot.  We were accompanied by two German couples where the 
	women had no problems with er...um...ah..revealing themselves
	to us.  Leaving the National Forest was tough, but I didn't 
	miss the crowds one bit, being the non-people person oriented
	that I am.

	Arriving in Mountain View to stay with relatives was nice, a
	real bed was a welcome site.  I was promised a NASA tour
	from the people I was staying with next time I come out and 
	have more time.

	San Francisco....I am sorry to say it but I didn't really like 
	it, we drove down the windiest street in the world, and then 
	I just wanted to get out of the city.  I guess I go on vacation 
	to get away from people, and this was not the place to get away.  
	I'll save SF for a business trip someday.

	Wine country was intense, hot springs, grapes, gotta love it.
	We continued to head toward Humbolt county and it was the *kind*
	place...yes indeed.  I know now why they call this place the 
	Emrald Triangle.  The Redwoods smelled so nice and so did other
	things.

	Alas, the Oregon coast, the most beautiful part of my trip.  
	We spent Friday and Saturday checking out rocky shores, 
	beaches, cool water, cool air, beautiful views, and even 
	rented a pair of dune buggy's at Dunes City.  A remarkable 
	place indeed, so quiet, so nice.  I WILL live there someday, 
	I am convinced, that is the place for me.

	Now my trip is over, back in the office.....kinda sucks, at least
	I have some terrific memories to look back upon.  Oregon 
	has left a very desirable mark in my soul.  It is enlightening
	to know that America has such a place and there is so much to
	be seen.  I have determined that I will spend my vacations in
	America, always, we have so much right here in our own back yards.  

		This land was made for you and me! 
	
							Deane
	

>	Arriving in Mountain View to stay with relatives was nice, a
>	real bed was a welcome site.  I was promised a NASA tour
>	from the people I was staying with next time I come out and 
>	have more time.

Well Deane, if you want a tour of NASA next time you come out, just
give me a ring.  I'm here 40 hours a week 8-).

peace,
t!ng_the_DEC_commodity

>>Well Deane, if you want a tour of NASA next time you come out, just
>>give me a ring.  I'm here 40 hours a week 8-).

>>peace,
>>t!ng_the_DEC_commodity

	
	Great!!!! I  I am really looking forward to that, my friend
	Thom is sells Next Computer systems and he deals with
	NASA sometimes he said he *may* be able to show me some 
	goodies, now I guess it's in the bag :-)

			
				Deane


	btw: DEC commodity?????

>	btw: DEC commodity?????

Yes, DEC offers me as a commodity to NASA.  NASA says "Ok, we'll take
her" 8-).  Ah, the services business!  8-)

peace,
t!ng

Deane, Shame on you for not skiing Mt Hood!

:-)


p.s., I learned whilke out there that a few years ago they opened year-round 
skiing on Mt Bachelor, which is near Bend, Or (Rilly!).   Though they weren't 
open this august due to the drought, the terrain there is much more challenging 
than what Hood offers...

	Yes! shame on me!  I was such a loser for not skiing, if 
	only I didn't drink that extra 20 Portland Ale's Saturday 
	Night, I would have been alive and well to make it to Mt Hood
	to catch the 7:00 lift.  
	
	Well, when our airplane from hell flew over Mt Hood and things
	got really wild from the turbulence, I lost all 20 Portland
	Ale's in a record 2 minutes..... ;-)  

	Did you make it up there?

>	Did you make it up there?

	Nope, I sacrificed skiing day for a return visit to the Elk Cove 
Winery, a place run by heads who pour as many 6 oz tastings of their _vintaged_ 
wines as you want (if you get them going about keeler soundboards, that is)...

*-}

True Fact:  There's a new winery in the Willamtte Valley whose pinot is called:

	 "Grateful Red".

    > True Fact:  There's a new winery in the Willamtte Valley whose pinot is
    > called:
    
    >          "Grateful Red".
    
    Hmmm, I thought that was Bill Walton ;-)
    
    PeterT