Conference rdvax::grateful

...talked breifly to John Ryan last nite, and was telling him a bit about how
morale was pretty piss-poor at DEC these days, and that tensions seem running
high in Grateful more often not, too.  He made me priomise to pass on the
following Ryanism (tm) to "set y'all straight", perspektive-wise (apologies for
not relating this as well as John did to me)... 

Seems there was this little girl, around six years old who needed an operation
and had a rare blood type.  She would die without this operation.  Turns out
her older brother who was nine had the right kinda blood, and their parents
went to the little guy and explained to him that without his blood, his sister
would die, but that he didn't have to give the blood if he didn't want to; it
was his choice and nobody could force him to do it unwillingly. The boy bravely
agreed, though he admitted he was very scared.

During the transfusion, the little boy was laying there next to his sister, all 
wired up with blood flowing through tubes going this way and that. He looked up 
and asked the doctor: "when am I going to die?". 

Apparently, noone had bothered to tell him he was going to live through the
procedure. Pretty strong stuff; the kid's love of his sister was stronger than 
his own will to live...

    that John Ryan, just when you are convinced he's a raging lunitic, he
    comes up with stuff that makes you realize we need more lunitics.......
    
    rfb

    Yeah,.. but does he make these things up? :-) :-)
    
    I agree,.. even if he does make thse things up,.. we need more
    lunatics like him...
    
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    Wow!  What a story.  Even if it's not true it made me
    stop and .....  sigh.....   ya know?
    
    I think I'll just go think of all the things I have to be
    thankful for.....   
    
    MJ

    Me too.
    

    
    wow.
    
    I'm back from DW today (FINALLY!) and have been paging through hundreds
    of notes.. glad I stopped to read this one straight through. 
    
    

> I'm back from DW today 

What?!?!  I've never even met you! :-)

DW

	I thought it was middle initial T, for...

Ah yes, John Ryan.

I remember when I first met him.... drivin' that old VW Squareback... at some
hotel in Colo Springs.  the first question he asked me out of the hotel was
great, but not something i feel comfortable repeating here...... then, off to
RFB's we went, John leading the way, for a fun-filled afternoon... ....

memories....

if anyone sees him, please extend a hello from me.

This topic needs resurrection!

:^)

- DC

    Ok.  Everyone read "The Road Less Travelled" by M. Scott Peck over this
    weekend.  There'll be a 10 question essay test right here on Monday. ;-)
    
    tim
    
    P.S.  Obviously just kidding, but I have some thoughts on this, which,
    if and when they ever form into whole sentences, I'll contribute.  It's
    funny you mentioned this one, because I stumbled into it this weekend
    and got to thinking that it was time to write something here.  Next
    time, maybe it'll be something real.
    
    Watching the loss of so many here, it seems appropriate to say
    something here, this week.  
    
    Long P.S., huh?
    

   >> <<< Note 252.12 by NAC::TRAMP::GRADY "Short arms, and deep pockets..." >>>

   >> Ok.  Everyone read "The Road Less Travelled" by M. Scott Peck over this
   >> weekend.  There'll be a 10 question essay test right here on Monday. ;-)
    
   >> tim
    
    
    Ah Tim!  An EXCELLENT book!  I highly recommend it to anyone! 
    
    My perception of love was not love at all.  This book was the
    beginning of my understanding.  I'd always looked at love as
    the ability to change someone.  If you loved them/they loved
    you, you could change them, or they could change you.  What
    a bunch of hooey that was!  I don't know when/where/why/how
    I'd gotten that stuck in my brain!  
    
    Unconditional love is such a wonderful feeling (I think everyone
    in here knows what I'm trying to describe here -- since it seems
    undescribable at this moment).  I can't begin to put a definition
    on love, as it means so many different things in so many different
    instances, but I know what it *isn't* (at least to me) now.
    
    I'm overwhelmed at times by the power of real love.  I
    often attribute it to my new found love for the earth.  A walk
    through the forest, a hazy orange sunset, a peaceful stream,
    the stars and moon, a look at the world from a mountaintop, and
    a small delicate flower fighting the power of the cold of winter --
    all these things have become so important.
    
    It saddens me to think that the human race isn't more accepting
    to love.  I watch the birds, horses, cats, dogs, and other wildlife 
    around me and how they love and wonder why we aren't more like them,
    why we set standards for who/what we can love, and how much we can
    love them/it.  If society doesn't agree, the love is outcast.
    
    Love is love, and not fade away . . . 
    
    
    sparky_ramblin'_on_a_cold_morning . . .    

Lennon & McCartney

	Say the word and you'll be free
	Say the word and be like me
	Say the word I'm thinking of
	Have you heard the word is LOVE
	Its so fine
	Its sunshine
	Its the word LOVE

	In the begining I mis-understood
	But now I got it the word is good

	Spread the word and you'll be free
	Spread the word and be like me
	Spread the word I'm thinking of
	Have you heard the word is LOVE
	Its so fine
	Its sunshine
	Its the word LOVE

	Everywhere I go I hear it said
	In the good and bad books that I have read

	Say the word and you'll be free
	Say the word and be like me
	Say the word I'm thinking of
	Have you heard the word is LOVE
	Its so fine
	Its sunshine
	Its the word LOVE

	Now that I know what I feel must be right
	I'm here to show everybody the light

	Give the word the chance to say
	Let the word its just the way
	Its the word I'm thinking of
	And the only word is LOVE
	Its so fine
	Its sunshine
	Its the word LOVE

	SAY THE WORD LOVE !

    it's funny how difficult a thing it can be for some folks to deal with
    at times...  but still, it's powerful stuff, and sometimes that can be
    frightening...  
    
       					da ve

    
    I have to give a reading at a wedding of friends in August and I'm
    looking for suggestions.  I don't want anything biblical or at all
    religious.  I've been hoping something will hit me that I'll feel is
    perfect.. I'll remember a poem or something.. but so far nothing has
    and all of a sudden August doesn't seem so far away.  Any ideas?  Or
    poets/books/authors/anything to check out?  Spiritual is good.. light
    .. love.. peace.. anything about a soul alone and then two souls
    together.. Something that makes you feel all glowy when you read it.
    ;-)
    
    thanks in advance for any ideas..
    

I was going to suggest the weddings notesfile, but it seems to have 
dissapeared. I guess the conference host tied the knot.  :-)

Well, I can suggest what _not_ to read, like Orangebook section 6.23.  :-)

COPIED FROM NATIVE_AMERICANS NOTESFILE...

                          -< Apache Wedding Blessing >-

  Now you will feel no rain,
  For each of you will be shelter
       to the other.

  Now you will feel no cold,
  For each of you will be
       warmth to the other.

  Now there is no loneliness for you,
  Now there is no more loneliness,
  Now there is no more loneliness.
  Now you are two persons
       but there is one life before you

  Go now to your dwelling-place
  To enter into the days
       of your togetherness.

  And may your days be
       good and long upon the earth.

    ok, fess up...  how many people went and looked up Orange Book section
    6.23????
    
    					i did...  :^)
    
    							da ve

    Read "The Prophet".  It contains many wonderfully insightful passages
    concerning love, marriage, children...
    
    I used a passage as a basis for the toast I presented at my sister's
    wedding last November.  If I can find it in my files I'll post it as a
    reference.
    
    Marv
    

>  Like the pillars supporting a temple, you must stand together.  
>However, those pillars must also stand apart, retaining their own 
>distinct nature.  Give thanks for your togetherness but also 
>rejoice in each other's unique character.  
>
>  Today we celebrate the union of two hearts and souls.  May 
>the bonds of love and marriage give strength to each of you as 
>you begin your lives together.  We offer our love and friendship 
>to support your journey through the years.
>
>  Praise one another, share your lives and give thanks for all 
>the moments of love and joy you are sure to share.  Ladies and 
>gentlemen, raise you glasses and join me as I give you John and 
>Suzanne Souza!

 The first para is a direct reference to Khayyam's discussion on marriage. 
    It should give you a taste of his insight.  
    
    It's a fun thing to do for a friend/relative.  Toasts and readings can
    be things they'll remember forever whether they are well done or not. 
    Good luck,
    
    Marv
    

   

    
    Glenn,
    
    When I got into work this morning, my 1st email was that same blessing
    sent to me by a friend in Cal who had it read at her ceremony!  I loved
    it when I read it then, and I love it now.  Synchronicity!  :-)
    
    The Prophet definately has a lot of beautiful passages in it - thanks
    for the reminder, Marv.
    
    Of course it's all moot now - I'm gonna read whatshisnames's theorem.
    ;-)  Maybe we can attach little sliderules to the seating cards. :-)
    
    

Da ve, get a life. Sheesh.


What was it about, btb.

FOg_whose_surprised_there_really_is_such_a_section.

Hey Marv,

I thought "The Prophet" was by Kahil Gibran?

(I know, it's a nit...but it's the thought that counts....:-)

tim

    
    It is.
    
    

RE:    Of course it's all moot now - I'm gonna read whatshisnames's theorem.
    ;-)  Maybe we can attach little sliderules to the seating cards. :-)

Hah!

re: the apache blessing...

I liked it because it was nice, traditional, and 
SHORT - i hate making speeches  ;^)    


Glennnn
    
    
    

    Tim,
    
      As usual (sincerely) you are correct.  Equally usual, I am in error on
    a point of fact. However, you have got to admit my heart's in the right 
    place even if my brain is sometimes hard to locate.  :-)
    
    Marv_who's_lucky_that_eggs_martch_his_skintone
    
    

No problem, Marv,

I just recovered from an attack of silliness over lunch, and had to
actually delete a couple notes elsewhere out of sheer embarassment...

Have a good time!!

tim

    
    6.23   Digital's Corporate Philosophy...  i thought it was kinda
    funny actually, given the context of the discussion...
    
    					da ve