Conference rdvax::grateful

    I'll go first.
    
    I can do without Throwing Stones and Black Peter.
    I'd like to hear Lost Sailor and Let It Grow.
    I'd like to hear more Attics and more Black Muddy Rivers.
    
    
    

     
    I can do without Walkin' Blues and U.S. Blues encores
    I'd like to get Lazy Lightning and St. Stephen back in the rotation
    I'd love to hear more Loose Lucy and Might as Wells
    
            :-) DaveB.

	I'm having trouble picking...

	definately would love to hear Ripple back in the rotation
	my second pick is between Easy Wind and Passenger

	as for what to get rid of (for awhile anyways)...Miracle
	and Saturday Night...they're both rockers and fun and all,
	but I'm getting sick of them

	I'd like to hear more of Black Throated Wind and Comes a TIme

	Debess

  Retire:  Truckin'  and  NFA

  Bring back: Ripple, Death Don't Have no Mercy


  More:  Comes a Time, Black Muddy.





  Jim

    
    Do w/o    -  Throwing -> NFA
    
    More      -  Comes a time , Might as well
    
    Bring back-  Casey Jones  , Sing me back Home
    
    
    Don

    	Retire:		Looks Like Rain
			Women R Smarter    
    
	Bring Back:	Here Comes Sunshine (!)
			Weather Report Suite (the whole thing)
			(though a Cosmic Charlie would be nice ;-)

	Play More:	Dark Star
			Rubin + Cherise

	
	Ken

	Retire:  Playin', Walkin' Blues

	Bring Back: New Potato Caboose, Cosmic Charlie

	Play More: Comes a Time, Black Throated Wind

    Bring Back:
    
    STRONGER THAN DIRT
    The Eleven
    The other half of Eyes of the World
    Supplication
    [OK, so that's 3 1/2 songs]
    
    Give a rest:
    
    US Blues
    Saturday Night
    Man Smart, Women Smarter
    
re .7:
    If you think Playin' in the Band needs a rest, I've got some tapes
    you should listen to.

    
    Bring back:  Here Comes Sunshine, St. Stephen
    Retire:	 Miracle, Walkin' Blues
    Play more:	 Comes a Time, Duprees
    
    

    Do without:
    Picasso Moon
    Queen Jane
    
    Bring back:
    Me & Bobby McGee
    Alligator
    
    Need More of:
    Comes A Time
    Attics

    
    re .10
    
    if we could've picked 4, picasso moon and queen jane would've been
    right up there on my list too.
    
    

retire: none
add to rotation: Lost Sailor, Golden Road
play more: Comes a Time, They Love Each Other

    retire - Throwing Stones, Sat. Night
    bring back - St. Stephen, Ripple
    add more  -  Dark Star, Attics
    
    Heidi

	retire - 	Attics, Comes a Time
	more of - 	Walkin' Blues, Throwin' Stones ->NFA
	bring back - 	Day Job, Day Job


			:-)  :-)  :-)     (just josh'in ya!)

    retire---Throwin Stones, Miracle
    bring back---Alligator, Big Boss Man
    more of--New Speedway, Comes a Time

    retire -- TOG, Throwin
    
    bring back -- Easy Wind, what's that Johnny Cash song on "One From the
    Vaults" that Elvis also sings?
    
    more of -- New Speedway (haven't heard one live yet!) , those heavy
    metal tunes Bobby does (like Victim or Picasso Moon (?))
    
    dave

    How'bout Songs_never_played_live_that_you_always_wanted_to_hear?
    
    
    SNPLTYAWTH:
    Pride of Cucamonga
    Unbroken Chain

Retire:  Throwing Stones (don't we all!! 8-)
	 Useless Blues

Bring Back:  Viola Lee Blues
	     Me & Bobby McGee (me too, Ger!!)

Play More:  Dark Star
	    Attics

this is a tough decision (the retire list):

  Retire:  Throwing Stones
	   I Need a Miracle

  Add:  Bobby McGee
	Dark Hallow

  More of:  Reubin & Cherise
	    Cold Rain & Snow

Someone (Mystery, I think) wanted them to bring back Let It Grow.  They still
do it!

Retire:     Little Red Rooster, NFA (I like Throwing Stones, though)
Bring Back: St. Stephen, Golden Road, Lost Sailor (couldn't stop at 2!)
Play More:  Loose Lucy, Cumberland Blues

    
    retire: a keyboard player
    Add: some horns
    do more: from the gut jamming absent a song/structure
    
    							/
    

	Retire: Picasso Moon, Candyman

	Revive: Lazy Lightning/Supplication

	More:   Comes A Time, Cumberland Blues->Maggie's Farm

re:           <<< Note 207.20 by EZRIDR::SIEGEL "Frank Zappa in '92!" >>>
   
>Someone (Mystery, I think) wanted them to bring back Let It Grow.  They still
>do it!
    
    They only do Weather Report Suite Part II (Let It Grow). The Prelude 
    & Part I have been retired. I believe Ken was referring to the entire
    Weather Report Suite.

OK, here is my vote.  I haven't even looked at anyone else's so as not to
be influenced by them, but that's not to say I won't change my vote after
I see them,  :-)

	Stale songs I wouldn't mind seeing retired:

		US Blues
		Touch of Grey

	Songs I'd like to see revived
	
		Dancin in the Streets!!
		Cryptical Envelopment!!

	Songs in rotation which I'd like to see more of

		West LA Fadeaway
		Big Boss Man (is this still even in rotation?)
	

    Retire:  Masterpiece
    	     Picasso
    	     Black Mud
             LL Rain
             Miracle
    	     Throwing 
             Hell in Buckets
             Woman are 
             
    Bring Back: Viola Lee
    	        Steven
    	        Hard 2 Handle
    		Easy Wind
                The Rub
     	        McGee
    	              	
    More: Loose Lucy
    	  Reubin 
     	  Death Don't
     	  Comes a Time
    	  Duprees
    	  Cumberlands
          Big RR
          Last Times      

    Retire: Dylan covers--all of em!
    
    Bring back: Till the Morning Comes, Viola Lee Blues
    
    Play more: New Speedway Boogie, B.T. Wind

    
    Retire : Picasso Moon , Lil Red Rooster
    
    Bring Back/Add : To Lay Me Down , Rosemary...(C'mon Just ONCE!!)
    
    More Please : Loser , Comes A Time (And I Used To Think I Was Only 
                                        One Who Loved This Tune)
                                        

    
    Can I change my vote??
    
    ;-)
    
    

Yeah, I wanna change mine too...I forgot all about Viola Lee Blues and Dancin'.







Jim

    
    
    >>Yeah, I wanna change mine too...I forgot all about Viola Lee Blues
    
    ditto!!
    
    Dave

    retire: Round and Round, Mexicali Blues (I think they're tired of this
    too)
    
    bring back: Ripple, Cosmic Charlie
    
    more often: The Other One (with "Cryptical"), Death Don't Have No Mercy
    

  And I'd like to hear New Minglewood as opposed to New, New Minglewood Blues.






 Jim

    I *like* Picasso Moon, but I've only heard the album version. The
    lyrics rather put me in mind of William Gibson's first three novels
    ("Neuromancer", "Count Zero", and "Mona Lisa Overdrive" for the
    interested).
    
    I'd like them to retire *the entire repertoire*. Sure, dozens of the
    songs are fantastic, but how many of them have large uncharted areas?
    As far as serious experimentation goes, they're mostly done.
    
    Scrap 'em all and build something new.
    
    John

retire for a while: ToG, Walkin Bluez

bring back: St. Stephen->The Eleven, Dancin' in the Streets

More often: New Speedway, Scarlet (one that I wanted for Boston but didn't get)

I wanna change my vote too ... or more likely ADD to it!

Let's see I forgot Miracle (in the RETIRE PLEASE! category), Bobby McGee, To
Lay Me Down and Viola Lee (in the BRING BACK PLEASE! category) and Loose Lucy,
Might as Well, and Comes a Time (in the PLEASE PLAY MORE OF! category). 

And oh yea, where would Brother Essau fit in?  I forgot that too.

Lisa

Oh yeah....forgot Mighty Swell too!






Jim

 
 Of their own: Cosmic Charlie, Mountains of the Moon

 I always think of songs covers that might sound good if the boyz were to 
 do them. I'm surprised they've never paid tribute to Lowell George (or
 maybe they have). ie: "Fatman in the bathtub", "Willin'".

     From what I can see so far, it looks like we want Bob to get a whole
    new selection of songs...not a bad idea,IMHO...but maybe they wouldn't
    sound so stale if they mixed up the songs alittle more like back in the
    early days...how about a set like this for example:
    
     Set I-  US Blues, Women R Smarter, Scarlet>Touch>Maggies
    Farm>Cumberland, El Paso, Shakedown
     Set II-Loser, Black-Throated Wind, Loose Lucy, comes a time, Lost
    Sailor, Space/Drums NFA ,Bertha, Attics, St. of Circumstance
       Encore: Golden Road :-)
    
    OK...so I can dream, can't I....?    ;-)
                   DaveB.

    Retire:  Saturday Nite, U.S. Bluez (& Drums/space)

    Bring Back: Cryptical, Cream Puff War, Golden Road...........

    More of: Loose Lucy, Comes a time....


  It's not so much (to me anyways) whether they retire, bring back,
play more of, I would just like to see them mix it up more often.
I'm tired of seeing the same songs in the same position every time
it's played. And get *RID* of the complmentary Dylan spot in the 
first set. Out of the 18 shows in Sept, Dylan showed up as
the second to last song (two songs followed) 9 times. 

 Even if you can't predict what they will play you can predict
what WON'T be played in the first set and ditto for the second set.

I really don't hate drums/space in fact I've always loved drums,
but again, mix it up. Do they always have to be in the same spot.

When things get predictable they get stale awfully fast.

I can't count the number of times I've read reviews that contain
this line, "...then I settled down as the drummers took over." 
(I think I even seen something to this effect in a T!ng review ;-)

Well, enough babbling for now.

Shawn

    
    
    
                    Alabama Getaway!!!!!

	Re: Ger - Weather Report Suite

	Yes, I was referring to the whole thing, especially that little
	instrumental part at the beginning I think.  I haven't heard it
	in a while - time to revisit the '73 drawer ;-)

	Re: Cosmic Charlie

	Gerry, they did this on 11/21/85 Oakland, didn't they ?  :-);-)

	Re: get rid of all Dylan covers

	I agree, but mostly for the all-too-predictable-and-mostly-boring
	Bob ones.   Keep Baby Blue, Takes a Lot to Laugh, and play *more*
	Maggies Farm (I just love this tune!).

	It sure was tough to be limited to only 2 songs!  

	Ken

    retire-  little red rooster and walkin' blooz...
    play more-  Bruce Hornsby songs, Attics
    bring back- St. Stephen, Passenger (dare i say it, bring back Donna?)
    
                   :^) :^) :^)
    
    	
    				da ve

re .42        How would you change the rotation of songs?          42 of 42

> (dare i say it, bring back Donna?)

	No,.... you daren't

                   :^) :^) :^)
    
						/

    Bring back: Ripple, Bobby McGee
    
    Retire:  Space, Miracle
    
    Play more:  Maggie's Farm, Valley Road
    
    ... Bob
    

    Well, I'd like to hear some goodies, but I like hearing songs that I can
    relate to circumstances that occur in my life at different times
    
    Right now-
    		Lied + cheated
    		
    		Hurts me too
    		
    		This heart if mine ? (EUR.72)
    		
    		Never Trust a Woman ? or Ring That Bell?
    		 (probably never hear that again)
    		
  And ofcourse  Foolish Heart  		
    		
    
    					Deane

    How about bringing back:  Ballad of a Thin Man
    
    I know its a Dylan tune but I thought it fit the Dead real well
    when I heard it in Hampton .....
    
    And ya, it "Hurts me too" would be great !!

  Geeze, I've just decided I like Bobby's scream songs again :^)






  Jim

hey all you folks who want them to retire songs:  sometimes you just
have to go tothe bathroom ya know! :)  

or as one grateful noter said to me in MSG this year as Weir was
staring up "Stuck inside of....",  "See ya by the 7th verse" or something
like that :)  

retire:  	throwing stones > nfa*
bringback:	Viola Lee Blues**, Spanish Jam (supplication jam for a 3rd pick)
play more:      Loser**, NEw Speedway (cause the BosGarden night I missed 
					was the night this was played :)

* = retire the pair it's been well worn and while I'm not sick of NFA 
    I will be if they keep doing it....

** = thanks for the reminders

but if I could make more bring back selections I'd add in hand jive,
st stephen, the whole cryptical, lazy lightning>supp. jam, mind body
jam, a rap to good lovin' and on and on and on...

dizzy with the possibilities,
retire that resemblance of a lyric! 
bob

    re:.45
    OUCH! sounds like yer goin through some ruff times right now...hang in
    there
         rfb

I agree totally with Shawn.  They really should mix up the combos.  If they are
worried about pairing songs in the same/similar key, that's no problem.  They
have lots to choose from.  I 'called' a lot of songs at MSG and BG, but mostly
because I knew 'patterns' from seeing (via this file) every set list for the
past 4+ years.

I don't *like* being able to call tunes.  I want to be surprised with every
tune.  Granted, there are many surprises at most shows, but they could do more. 
This could be the biggest factor, IMO, contributing to the 'staleness'.

Some people viewed the Help->Slip->Fire like it was the coming of the Messiah. 
Personally, I was surprised but not awestruck.  This is the kind of stuff I'd
like to see them do more.  Uncle->Mex?  Scarlet->Fire?  Estimated->Eyes?
Truckin'->(Spoonful)->He's Gone?  Cassidy->Deal?  Throwin->NFA? 
Wheel->Miracle?  C'mon, mix 'em up!!

adam

>  Geeze, I've just decided I like Bobby's scream songs again :^)


		Yea, I noticed that when you started screaming
		with (like) him at the Sunday Boston show.

		'Twas quite a sight!!  :-)

>I can't count the number of times I've read reviews that contain
>this line, "...then I settled down as the drummers took over." 
>(I think I even seen something to this effect in a T!ng review ;-)

What?!  I would never say that!!  Maybe I said "...then I settled down
as Bobby starts Throwing Up err..I mean, Stones ;-)"

peace,
t!ng_who_happens_to_like_drums_most_of_the_time

    re .47
    
    	Yo Marv,.. Bobby sings (lead) on Bobby McGee,.. so you can't say those
    are all "Jerry" songs.
    
    	Whats the beef with Throwin Stones. I mean yah,.. they've played
    it a lot,.. but what other "recent" Bobby song even comes close to
    being this good. By recent, I mean something that was written in the
    80's at least? I understand they have played it quite a bit,.. but
    if you are going to ask them to retire something,.. shouldn't it be
    something of a lesser calibre with a longer "having been played"
    history,... like Sat. Nite I understand completely wanting to retire,..
    but Throwin Stones is one of his very few relatively new tunes. I
    wouldn't want to ask him top retire that. Its like asking Digital
    not to sell any more 9000's.
    
    	Just my lousy opinion
    
    							/
    
    
    	

re:  the /'ers thing with Throwing Stones

I guess I would be happy if it wasn't sooooo predictable!  I mean 
I like it but you can count on it being there .. so /, how bout
played less....and when I say in my reply, RETIRE , I really mean
retire for a short time and rivive at later date....

see what I mean?
bob 

I dunno slash, maybe people are just tired of it - I can't comment because
I personally like the song.  I like some others that people want to retire 
for example Walkin Blues ... I wait to hear this song but lots of you would
like to see it gone, similarly I'd like to see Black Muddy River go away but
I noticed a few people wanting to see it more.  It's all subjective........

    
    
    Interesting.......I agree completely with /mon, as Throwing Stones is
    one of Bobby's best from the 80's (though Lost Sailor is from 1980, but
    is that actually considered part of the 80's :^).
    
    I haven't caught many Throwing Stones->NFA at all, maybe
    one......however, I've caught more "Playin's" than anything.  That to
    me became predictable, though its been played less lately.
    
    To answer Andy about my request to retire "Playin'".....I don't like
    the way they play it anymore.  I loved hearing the old versions from
    the 70's, with that slower, steadier beat and the heavier sound, and
    the intricate sound created from it.  To me, when they play it so much
    faster, it gets glazed over, the licks fly by too quickly, Bobby spits
    out the words......it gets on my nerves.....and they seem to ALWAYS
    play it fast.......wouldn't it be cool if they played it DIFFERENTLY
    every now and then?
    
    That may also be a refresher for the boys......not only take a look at
    tunes to rotate in/out, but take a different angle at the existing
    tunes.
    
    Dave
    
    PS:  Sorry for adding to the digression, Mystery.....hope you can still
    complete your survey from this here note....:^)

this is tough to vote for only two of each ---

Retire: MIRACLE, 
        Black Peter

Bring Back: Passenger, Lazy Lightning

More: Promised Land, Let It Grow

---------

More retires: US Blues, (all the current combinations, not the songs - just
              break up the same combos) Move/break up  drum/space -- mix up
              drums into other parts of the show - get rid of space  -- 
              the slow version of FOTD 

More to bring back: The fast version of FOTD, 
                    Acoustic sets (i.e. anything and everything from Reckoning
                      - For The Faithful...  Ripple, Jack-a-Roe, Monkey, Bird,
                      Cassidy, Roses, Rosa Lee, ahhhh....) 
                    Dead Blues (Pig and Brent) - just because there not with us 
                      doesn't mean their songs can't live on more often! 

More to Play More of: Comes a Time, 
                      Black Muddy, 
                      Eyes w/ Branford ;^), 
                      Uncle Johns 


 Come to think of it it's amazing they're not TOTALLY bore, considering all the
dizzying possibilities... 

Glenn

Since I put Throwing Stones on the same category at Day Job, I still
say retire it!  It's not that it isn't a good song, but I'm sick of
it.  They're playing it to death.  Once per run average is *too*
much!!  I didn't miss Day Job when they retire it - I'm pretty sure
I won't miss Throwing Stones.  Just my opinion though.

peace,
t!ng

    retire    playin or at least do the shorter non boring version
               put drums and space out of there misery 
     add viola and st stephen
 most important write new songs

    
    BRING BACK::   ST STEPHEN  
    
    PLAY MORE OF::     UNCLE JOHN 
    
    PLAY MORE OF::  SUGAR MAG
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    PLAY  BOSTON  MORE OFTEN .....

re: .42

I'd like to hear Donna do Playin' In The Band just once, LIVE!

	For me, Throwing Stones just doesn't fit the "image" I have of the
Grateful Dead's music.  Sort of an outcast I suppose.  And, every time I
hear it, they play it just about the same way.  Bob always stretches/screams
the lyrics at the same places... the jam is relatively the same, etc...
perhaps this is the reason why I dislike it vs. the non-fitting image thought.

	Perhaps what I see w/ TS is what others see with Playin' In The Band.
I like Playin', I don't like it when they cut it short.  If you want to hear
is very nice Playin', check out the version on 3-24-90, Albany.  Very nice
and very long (I have a very nice tape [thanks Mystery] of this show if
anyone is interested.

	I've been getting back to listening to some '71 tapes, which used to
be my fave "dead_year".  Great stuff!  My rental car here in Ireland has a
nice Kenwood stereo.... thanks Avis!!!  I listened to a great rendition of
Easy Wind from 2/21/71 (?) this morning... Bob actually take lead and does
a decent jam!!!!	

RE:     <<< Note 207.52 by LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTO "child of countless dreams" >>>



		>Yea, I noticed that when you started screaming
		>with (like) him at the Sunday Boston show.

	>	'Twas quite a sight!!  :-)



          That's cuz you were standing on my foot :^)




 Jim

	:-)  oh, too bad I didn't have my heels on.  ;^) :-) :-)     

    Then you would have been able to see over the people in front of us :^)

	Perhaps, but standing on your feet seemed to provide 	
	me with just the boost I needed, Thanks.  :-)

    Way back / made a good input about horns etc.......
    YES!!!!!!! I agree....then they would all have fun again
    (apparently to the rolling stone article fun is eluding them presently)
    rich

    RE:.50 
    Yeah, 
    I don't now how you ever figuered that out though ;^)
    
    Thanks CLOSUS::BARNES
    
    Ya know, without descent songs like those I listed in .45 people
    that are hurtin inside would have nothing to relate to or get us 
    through trying times! 
    
    Time to go out and party "strike another match, go start a new"
    
    I'd sure like to hear them play Comes a Time more dammit!!!!
    
    
    		:^)    smilin

This poll seemed interesting enough to send to some (non-DEC) deadhead
friends.  Here are their votes:

From Karl Eisenhofer:

Add:
    Unbroken Chain
    St. Stephen (of course)

Retire:
    Not Fade Away
    Knockin' on Heaven's Door

More:
    Johnny B. Goode
    Cold Rain and Snow


from Karl's girlfriend:
Michele says

Retire:
    Little Red Rooster
    Not Fade Away

More:
    Jack Straw
    Bid You Good Night

Add:
    The Golden Road
    The Race is On

>Add:
>    The Golden Road
>    The Race is On

They still do The Race is On on Derby Days, so maybe this should be in th
"play more of" category.

peace,
t!ng

Here is a vote from another Dave, so it must count for lots!  :-)

more of:	China Doll, Wd Bid You Goodnight

want back:	St. Stephen, Cosmic Charlie

retire:		Victim or the Crime, and the one thing everyone wants to
		say but is afraid of ....




		Space!!!!



this has been a message from "the one true Dave"  ;^)

re: this has been a message from "the one true Dave"  ;^)

>retire:		Victim or the Crime, and the one thing everyone wants to
>		say but is afraid of ....

>		Space!!!!

...well, not to disagree with "the one true Dave" or anything...but not
EVERYone wants to say that ;-)...while it may not "have a good beat and
be easy to dance to" ! ...there's something about that portion of a show
that -I- personally find very compelling...it can contain moments of great
inspiration, experimentation, imagination...it can let you "see" into
the musicians' souls, maybe, read their moods, whatever you want to call it...
I think it gives them a point where they can REALLY let go and just let
"the music play the band"...they don't know what it's going to be like ahead
of time but it's interesting (to me) to hear what they make up and how it
comes together (and, certainly, how it doesn't too!)...and it just might
be (for them) the most "fun" because they are really on the edge there, 
listening to where eachother is going and going where they want to but also
trying to make it all fit...

but, anyways, I like to hear that "everyone wants to say" something that 
I (again) don't agree with...cause I don't WANT to be like everyone else!

Debess_the_rebel_without_a_cause

oh, and by the way, I'm kinda partial to "Victim or the Crime" too ;-)
yeah, and I miss Donna Jean's wailing in "Playing"...I REALLY do!

touche'! I like a little controversy. 

One thing I forgot that I wanted to just add before I went back home.  
In the category of wanting to see brought back...
Lets see the third set again!!!  :^)  :^)

the one true Dave

    Maybe they should give Bruce a crack at coming up with some new
    arrangements for some of these "retired" songs ... for example, I'd
    really like to see 'em bring back "Passenger", but with a slower
    tempo and more of a "Hornsby" arrangement ... 
    
    ... Bob
    

    Get rid of space???????  NO WAY!!!
    
    (FWIW,  I usually DO dance to it)

    re: .78
    
    Right on!  Don'tget rid of space...
    
    Besides, it's one of the few spots in a show where you
    can actually hear most of the notes.
    
    
    /bruce

    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
                                           0
                            DARK STAR     -  -
                                           1
    
    

Retire:  Thowin Stones -> NFA  (This almost qualifies as 1, so I am nominating
				another)
	Queen Jane

Bring Back:  Ripple
	     Saint Stephen
	     Golden Road

Play More:	He's Gone
		New Speedway Boogie


	Mike

Since its the day before election day, I assume there is still time to get my
votes counted on this important issue!!!!!!

Retire: U.S. Blues
        Day Job

Bring back: Lazy Lighning -> Supplication Jam
            Viola Lee Blues -> St Stephen
{this is the only way I could let three/four choices only count as two :-):-)}

Play More of: Takes a lot to Laugh, A Train to Cry
              We Bid You Good Night.
{as someone said earlier this is a great way to end a show/tour.}


Jack