Conference rdvax::grateful

I thought I'd put together some ideas for places to go to catch good tunes
after the shows, and places for good, cheap eats too.  There's a lot of great
local bands, so when it gets closer to tour time, I'll let you know who'll be
where, but for now, here's some cool places to go and the type of music you
can usually find there.  I'm not gonna get into the bigger places right now,
that get the bigger names.  They're more expensive and IMO, only worth going
to if there's someone specific playing there you want to see.  So, for them
we'll wait until the Sept. schedules come out.

Nightingales - 2nd Ave at 13th St. - good rock bands, pool table, cover is
usually $5, can be crowded.

Dan Lynch's - 2nd Ave btwn 13th & 14th - good, local blues, pool table, cover
around $5 also, can be crowded.

Manny's Car Wash - 3rd Ave at 87th - you can catch some great blues men here,
cover is around $3-$8 depending on how great :-), very small place, will be
crowded.

The New Frontier - this is the old Lone Star Cafe at 13th St & 5th Ave.  It's
now a TGIFriday's.  Once you get over that :-/, you start to notice that they've
been having a lot of good rock, reggae, funk bands, with no cover, and usually
$1 drafts between bands. 

Delta 88 - 8th Ave at 26th St.  They get a lot of good New Orleans, cajun,
zydeco type bands here.  Usually no cover up front, $5 to sit in the back at
a table.

McGoverns - Spring St. btwn Hudson & Greenwich.  No cover, gets some good
local rock bands and some weird stuff :-), pool table.

The Pool Bar, Bway at 8th St. - Sometimes no cover, sometimes a few bucks,
I haven't figured out the system yet :-).  Some good local rock bands, some
weird stuff, pool table.

Mondo Perso & Mondo Cane - both in the village, both get good local blues,
both have a $5 cover

Here's some places to keep your eye on for more music, but the prices will
be higher:  Wetlands, The Lone Star Roadhouse, Tramps, SOBs, the Bottom Line,
the Marquee

Now for good, cheap eats:

If you're just walking around and will stop in somewhere, you're best bet is
the east village, but you can find good meals for under or around $15 just 
about anywhere - just gotta poke around.  If there's a certain type of food 
you'd like and don't see listed, or a specific area of the city, let me know.

Also - if you just want to pick something up and go sit somewhere nice, here's
where some of the best parks are:

Central Park runs from 59th St. to 110th St. between 5th Ave on the east and 
Central Park West on the west.  It covers over 800 acres.  A nice, quiet spot 
to check out is Strawberry Fields, at 72nd St. & Central Park West, across from
the Dakota.  Most social/hangout spot is Sheep Meadow, at 72nd St. & mid-park.

Washington Square Park, in Greenwich Village at the base of 5th Avenue.  This
is far from the prettiest park, but it's the best hangout.  

Riverside Park, from 72nd St. to 150something, west of Riverside Avenue.  The
best place to catch the sunset.

Carl Shurz Park, from 84th to 88th on the East River (and 1/2 block from my 
apartment so come say hi :-))  This is where Gracie Mansion is in case you feel
the need to speak to Mayor Dinkins. :-)

Here's some restaurant ideas:

Veggie/Natural/etc..

  Dojo on St. Marks Place
  Yaffa Cafe on St. Marks Place also
  Spring St. Natural, Spring St. at Lafayette

Middle Eastern

  Mamouns, McDougal & W. 3rd St. - for the worlds greatest falafel :-)
  Ovo Cafe, Bway at 22nd or 61st St. & 3rd Ave.

Tex/Mex

  Benny's Burritos, Avenue A at 6th St. or Greenwich Avenue at Jane St.

Indian

  Anything on Indian Row, 6th St. btwn 1st & 2nd Avenue.  My favorites are
   Somali and Passage to India

Chinese

  In Chinatown, your best bet is somewhere that looks like a hole in the
   wall, down some stairs, with no Americans eating in it. :-)  You can get
   great Chinese all over the city, especially of the Szechuan variety 
   (although in Chinatown I think it tends to be Hunan or Mandarin)

Thai

  Thailand Restaurant, in Chinatown at the corner of Bayard & Baxter.  This
   is my new favorite restaurant in all of NYC and the best Thai food I've
   ever had.  

Barbeque

  Dallas Barbeque, there's one in the village at 8th St. & University, but I
   like the uptown ones better (Central Park West & 72nd or 3rd Ave & 73rd)
   If you're seated by 6:30, you can get 2 full meals for $7.95
  Brothers Barbeque, Houston St. btwn 6th Ave & Varick
  Brother Jimmy's, 1st Ave btwn 81st & 82nd
  Tennessee Mountain, Spring St. at Wooster (the way it should be spelled
   everywhere, btw ;-))

Delis

  Carnegie Deli (probably the best deli in the world - also where Broadway
   Danny Rose was filmed :-)), 7th Ave btwn 54th & 55th.  Picture the biggest 
   sandwich you can, then double it and you begin to get the idea.  Definately 
   made to be split.  Or, if you don't want to wait on line to be seated:
  The Stage Deli, 7th btwn 53rd & 54th.

Jamaican

  Vernon's Jerk Paradise, 29th St. btwn 7th & 8th

Italian

  If you're around MSG during lunch, there's an incredible Italian place called
   Veronicas.  Unfortunately it's not open for dinner, though.  It's around
   38th & 7th Ave.  It's cafeteria style.. just big, long tables and you'll
   definately have to wait on line, but it's worth it!  Delicious, homemade 
   food, probably cost you around $8.
  There's also lots of chain places around the city that have huge menus, pasta
   cooked 8 million ways :-), for around $10.  My favorite is Pasta Vicci,
   Amsterdam Ave btwn 79th & 80th

Afghani

  Khyber Pass on St. Marks Place in the village.  If you're a group of 4, call
   beforehand and reserve the pillow-table in the window.

Eastern European

  Veselka, 2nd Ave at 9th St
  Christines, 1st Ave btwn 12th & 13th, or 2nd Ave at 25th St


Well, unless you're incredibly hungry, that should be enough for starters. :-)
Seriously, if you're looking for something or somewhere specific, send me mail.
I'm sure we've got it.

See you in September!
Phyllis

    Sooo, does ne1 know the Albany Chamber of Commerce #?  Or better yet,
    what's fun to do in Albany when not at showz. Are there any cool bars
    where we can get a game of dahts going or perhaps a little pool
    somewheres?
    
    Andy

don't know the # for the Chamber of Commerce but the area code is 518.
(518) 555-1212 should get you any number you want in Albany.

The good ol' Hill Street Cafe has been a popular meeting place for deadheads. 
THey do have a pool table in the back.  It's about 2 blocks west of the arena,
and 2 or 3 blocks up (Madison?)

adam_gettin_to_know_Albany_pretty_well

re   <<< Note 28.12 by EZRIDR::SIEGEL "The revolution wil not be televised" >>>

>The good ol' Hill Street Cafe has been a popular meeting place for deadheads. 
>THey do have a pool table in the back.  It's about 2 blocks west of the arena,
>and 2 or 3 blocks up (Madison?)

	... and, as i remember, they have good brew on tap.

    
    and they have a dart board .... in a very challenging section of the
    back room - adjacent to the restrooms :-)
    
    c

    they have excellent wings and Bass on tap

    For a cheap afternoon you could wander around the Capitol building
    and Empire State Plaza.  Free tours are given through each.  That's
    where I met my wife. We were both tour guides.  There's a bunch of 
    modern art in and on the Plaza, unless they've done some re-arranging.
    Or go looking for the devil in the Grand Staircase in the Capitol
    building (modeled after the Paris Opera staircase).  Pointers to the 
    devil given to interested parties ;-)  It's been a while since I 
    gve the spiel, but I can remember some things.
    
    PeterT
      

    
    there is also a most excellent Ben & Jerry's near the back edge of the
    Knick.  My nephew Matt is the manager and he loves when the Dead come
    to town.  He stays open for after the showz - but only whne the Dead
    play the Knick.  He says the other acts don't draw people who eat
    icecream after :-) 
    
    so say 'hi' to Matt and tell him his aunt Carol sent you
    
    c

    IF you are lucky enough to get tixs for Vegas....
    check out ENZOS PIZZA in GREEN VALLEY...yummy stuff, best seafood pizza
    I've ever had! The first dates in Vegas, Enzo let us stay in the place
    for 2 hours after closing to drink beer. %^)
    
    rfb

    Anyone know of any good places to see a blues show, or other neato
    musical happenings in Chicago?  Gotta know tomorrow - leaving
    Friday!  Actually, anything that might be of interest to do or see
    is welcome.  Thanks.
    
    -HA

    
     I'm pretty sure that Buddy Guy owns a blues bar in Chicago....
    not sure of the name, it might be called "Legends".
    
    Sean

Try looking in the Digital blues conference AKOFIN::AFTER_HOURS

I think there is a note in there that has several entries with places 
and addresses.

Jim

    
    We went to Buddy Guy's Legends a few years ago and had a blast.  Great
    local blues and 4 pool tables!  One of the biggest, most popular local
    spots is Kingston Mines.
    
    Check out Lake Michigan.
    
    And make sure and have pizza somewhere (and that recommendation comes
    from a New Yorker so it must be good pizza ;-)
    
    

    I didn't care for Legends, but I will recommend BLUES and Kingston
    Mines, practically across the street from each other on Halstead. 
    There's good restuarants on Halstaed too (Chicago ranks 2nd to San
    Francisco for food, imho).  Here's some numbers:
    
    Blues
    -----
    
    Biddy Milligans	7644 N. Sheridan	761-6532	$6-$7
    B.L.U.E.S		2519 N. Halsted		528-1012	$4-$6cover
    B.L.U.E.S Etc.	1124 W. Belmont		525-8989	$3-$6cover
    Kingston Mines	2548 N. Halsted		477-4646	$4-$7cover
    Lilly's		2513 N. Lincoln		525-2422	$2-$4cover
    Player's on Clark	3714 N. Clark		472-4843	0-$3cover
    Rosa's Lounge	3420 W. Armitage	342-0452	0-$3cover
    Sweetwater		1028 N. Rush St.	787-5552	no cover
    U.S. Blues		1446 N. Wells		266-4978	No Cover
    Wise Fools Pub	2270 N. Lincoln		929-1510	$2-$3cover
    
    Local acts to check for are Magic Slim, Hubert Sumlin, Big Time Sarah,
    and many more, I'm sure.
    
    Goose Island Brewery is one of the best brewpubs in the country (it's
    just off Halstead).  The Berghoff is good too, and has two downtown
    locations.
    
    Have fun, it's a great city.
    
    Jamie

I went to Kingston Mines when I was there about 1month ago or so.  Cool place;
it has 2 stages.  While music is cranking out on one stage, the other is
setting up.  When stage 1 is done playing, stage 2 kicks in.  this repeats
until 4am or so!!!


and, if you don't like kingston mines, there is another place across the street.

cab fares in Chi-town are very cheap, compared to NYC and Boston, imo.

    
    ahhhhh, Chicago...  :^) :^) :^)
    
    you might also want to check for Joanna Connor's band out there...
    she can occasionally be caught here in town at Gilrein's but she hails
    from Chicago these days...
    
    					da ve

    
    And look for Son Seals too!!
    
    

    
    thought some of you headed in for the MSG shows might be interested:
        
    Star Trek -- The Next Generation
    June 4 to October 3, 1993
    
    Museum of Television and Radio
    25 West 52 Street
    New York City
    
    This is a combined gallery and screenings exhibit.  That is, there are
    exhibitions of paraphenalia from both the original and new series, and
    shows are available on monitors from both series.
    
    GALLERY EXHIBIT: Award-winning costumes and the makeup artistry of
    Klingons, Romulans, Ferengi, Tamarians, the Borg, and others...as well
    as a Romulan phaser(tm) and PADD, a Klingon(tm) knife, a medical
    tricorder(tm), Geordi's VISOR, and more in two Museum galleries.
    
    SCREENINGS: The screenings are organized by pairing thirty-two defining
    episodes [of "The Next Generation"] to illustrate continuing narratives
    and themes that have developed throughout the series and in relation to
    the original Star Trek.
    
    Screenings are daily at 12:30, 2:15, and 4:00; Thrusday nights at 6:00;
    Friday nights at 5:45 and 7:30.
    
    Screenings and titles (I dropped off the ones already done):
    
    July 6-11	The Voyage Begins	"Encounter at Farpoint" (Premiere)
    
    July 13-18	Issues of Identity	"Time Squared"
    					"The Inner Light"
    July 20-25				"Conundrum"
    					"Rascals"
    
    July 27-Aug 1 Time Travel		"Yesterday's Enterprise"
    					"Cause and Effect"
    
    Aug 3-8	Allegory		"The Measure of a Man"
    					"The Game"
    Aug 10-15				"The Drumhead"
    					"The Outcast"
    
    Aug 17-22	Safety in Numbers	"The Enemy"
    					"Disaster"
    Aug 24-29				"Remember Me"
    					"The Next Phase"
    
    Aug 31-Sep 5 The Virus that 	"The Naked Time"
    		Wouldn't Go Away	"The Naked Now"

    Sep 7-12	The Klingon Saga	"Sins of the Father"
    					"Reunion"
    Sep 14-19				"Redemption"
    					"Redemption II"
    
    Sep 21-26	Does Not Compute	"The Big Goodbye"
    					"A Fistful of Datas"
    Sep 28-Oct 3			"Clues"
    					"Ship in a Bottle"
    
    ADMISSION: Members free; $5.00 adults; $4.00 for students; $3.00 for
    senior citizens and children under 13.
    
    HOURS: Gallery is open 12:00-6:00 Tuesday through Sunday.
    			   12:00-8:00 Thursday
    			   12:00-9:00 Friday (theaters only after 6:00)
    	   Closed Mondays.
    
    For information, call (212)-621-6800

    On a similar note:
    
    My wife and I were at Universal Studios park in LA a few weeks back. 
    We got into the Star Trek Adventure.  They pick 30 people to play parts
    in the psuedo movie they film.  You can buy the video later.  My wife
    was part of a landing party.  I was a Klingon dressed in full costume.
    The majority of that costume was foam rubber, so it was pretty damn
    hot.  
    
    Anyway, my wife and the landing party beam down to a planet.  They
    didn't know it, but the Klingons were waiting to attack.  We surprised
    attacked the landing party.  The wife and I got to pound each other
    with fake rocks!!  Lots of fun!!
    
    I've always wanted to be in this, ever since I heard about it in 1987.
    
    Oh well, just wanted to share that.  Thanks to DEC for the free airline
    ticket because of a trade show I was attending.
    
    dave

Speaking of STTNG, when does the new season start? I need to see Descent 
part 2!!!!!

Geoff

    re Descent pt 2
    
    Septemberish. I haven't seen any schedules yet.
    
    re .27
    
    The Museum of Television and Radio is a neat place. I'd spend a lot of
    time there if I lived in the area.
    
    ST:TNG looks great on a big screen. If you're a Trek fan it would
    definitely be worth trying to catch one of their screenings. They have
    a very nice theater setup.
    
    gary

    
    there's also a big Star Trek thing of some sort going on at the Hayden
    Planetarium at 81st St. and Central Park West.  It opens today or
    tomorrow and runs for several months as well.
    
    

> ST:TNG looks great on a big screen. If you're a Trek fan it would
> definitely be worth trying to catch one of their screenings. They have a
> very nice theater setup.
  

So does this mean that every episode is filmed for a 16x9 screen???

Cool!

re                       <<< Note 28.28 by SPOCK::IRONS >>>

Does the person who plays the Captain get to seduce a beautiful female alien?

- DC

    >>Does the person who plays the Captain get to seduce a beautiful female alien?
    
    Actually, the captain in our movie was a female.  She didn't seduce
    anyone.  :^)
    
    dave
    

>So does this mean that every episode is filmed for a 16x9 screen???
    
    Nope. 'Big' screens only went 'wide' (16:9 or greater) after TV became
    a commercial success in the early 50s. Prior to that it was 4:3
    (Academy Ratio) just like TV.
    
    Regardless, some shows look good a big projection screen, some do not.
    A lot of recent stuff does not, particularly if it was shot on video. 
    A lot of 60s stuff looks pretty good, possibly because a lot of the
    production staff would have originally come from the film world and
    paid more attention to lighting, composition etc.
    
    ST:TOS doesn't look too bad, although it's low budget show through
    occasionally. TNG and DS9 look great.
    
    gary

    Would ne1 be up for a sox game on Sunday the 26th? I've  an extra tik
    for the game if ne1 is interested.
    
    Andy

    re last:the tik is gone. Is ne1 else going to the game? Perhaps we
    could hook up if so.
    
    Andy

    
    The Embassy Pub in Boston has added a few things to the menu for the
    shows. Things like Terrapin Station Stew and Uncle Johns Stuffed
    Mushrooms..hmmmmmm..read an article in the Globe and man;the whole
    area is ready and waiting for the Heads. Heres a list of Pubs and
    Restaurants offering food and music before and afta the shows..
    
    paddy burke's -portland st.
    commonwealth brewery-portland st
    the causeway-causway st
    the harp-causeway st
    irish embassy pub-friend st
    the bean pot-canal st
    bobby's- canal st
    
    all these places are within 2 blocks of the garden..
    

re      <<< Note 28.38 by AKOCOA::DMITCHELL "just might be ur kinda zoo" >>>
                                -< food/music >-

>    the harp-causeway st

Scott Wentzell will be here on Friday night before and after the show, more
like after the show though as he'll be running on a tight sched.  His bro's
band (i reckon) is playing there.

>      <<< Note 28.39 by BIODTL::JC "going where the chilly winds blow" >>>
>
>re      <<< Note 28.38 by AKOCOA::DMITCHELL "just might be ur kinda zoo" >>>
>                                -< food/music >-
>
>>    the harp-causeway st
>
>Scott Wentzell will be here on Friday night before and after the show, more
>like after the show though as he'll be running on a tight sched.  His bro's
>band (i reckon) is playing there.


Why would he go to the Harp, when he can come to the Causeway and see 
Slipknot:-)

Geoff

re       <<< Note 28.40 by SALES::GKELLER "be alert, we need more lerts" >>>
                 -< Yah-but the Causeway is where it's at... >-

>Why would he go to the Harp, when he can come to the Causeway and see 
>Slipknot:-)


maybe it has something to do with his bro playing in the band at the harp?


:-)

>      <<< Note 28.41 by BIODTL::JC "going where the chilly winds blow" >>>
>
>re       <<< Note 28.40 by SALES::GKELLER "be alert, we need more lerts" >>>
>                 -< Yah-but the Causeway is where it's at... >-
>
>>Why would he go to the Harp, when he can come to the Causeway and see 
>>Slipknot:-)
>
>
>maybe it has something to do with his bro playing in the band at the harp?
>
>
>:-)


Cool,  we were offered that gig but couldn't do all 6 nights requested.  
That would have meant 10 shows in 12 days while trying to hold down 40+ 
hour a-week jobs.

Geoff

    If'n ne1 is going to Sunday's Deadsox game, I'll be at Who's On First
    for a bit before the game.
    
    Andy

    "Exploring the Cutting Edge of Digital Music Technology"
    
    a lecture/presentation by BOB BRALOVE of the Grateful Dead
    
    Monday, September 27, 7pm
    Mail Lecture Hall, Franklin Patterson Building
    HAMPSHIRE COLLEGE, Amherst MA
    
    Bob Bralove is the primary digital music wizard and onstage MIDIengineer for
    the Grateful Dead... producer of _Infrared Roses_ ... Bob will present a
    detailed overview of his experiences in this realm, offer advice for those 
    who might choose to explore digital music, and (time permitting) answer
    questions.
    
    Tickets are LIMITED!  $4 to the general public; $3 w/ student or teacher ID
    Available at Yesterday and Today Music (233 N. Pleasant Street, Amherst MA
   413-549-7588) and the Northampton Box Office at Thorne's Market, Northampton.
    Phone orders: 566-8686 or 1-800-THE-TICK.
    
    No audio or video recorders or smoking allowed.
    
    This event will sell out!  Get tickets in advance!
    
    (from John Dwork of Dupree's Diamond News)

    I know the Ceparski-Mitchell clan will be rendezvousing in Philly, is
    there anyone else who would like to meet up before the shows? Fredda,
    you are travelling with a group as well, correct? Anyone else?
    if there is a good spot to coordinate that anyone knows about feel free
    to input...
    
    chris and the Nashua connection

	{pout}

    Chris,
    
    So far we haven't been able to score any tickets (hint, hint) for Sat
    nite which is the only show we wanted to go to.  
    
    From my last memories of Philly, the Spectrum is on the perimeter of
    the city.  I really don't know of any places to meet.  Even if we don't
    get tickets to the show, we'll be coming to town.  We have tickets to
    see the Barnes Collection at the Philly Fine Arts Museum at 11AM!  We
    could probably meet up for drinks/dinner etc.
    
    Fredda

    The price for Philly tickets at the local scalper in Maryland 
    is 85-150 for Saturday, and Sunday, none available for Friday.
    
    

    tdavis 
    you are heading down as well?
    perhaps rich fromm phillyextraordinaire  could shed some light on a
    place to meet...only point of interest i remember are the terminal
    market, south street...the stairs rocky ran up..and the open air
    italian market akin to quincy mkt on a saturday.....
    
    chris_wondering_why_agencies_get_away_with_selling_MAILORDER_tickets_at_
    absurdly_high_prices_when_it_says_scalping_dead_tickets_is_punishable_by_
    fines_and_arrest??????

    Not heading down to Philly, however points of intrest are many and
    easy to get to, via The Broad Street Subway, the Italian market
    is almost walkable from the Spectrum around 9th and Snyder.
    Atlantic city is only 1 hour away, maybe more if traffic.
    
    

>    perhaps rich fromm phillyextraordinaire  could shed some light on a
>    place to meet...

ya know, for having grown up near philly, i really know surprisingly little
about the city.  guess your point of view as a kid is a lot smaller, and a
city that's 10 miles away seems far.

for just hooking up with someone at the show, i'd suggest one of the statues
around the spectrum:  rocky is one, kate smith is another.

as for places to go in philly, hmmm...  there's a few brewpubs (dock street
is the only one i can remember).  and there's south street, penn's landing,
the art museum (run up the steps that rocky did), cheese-steaks (i like them
best from a street vendor), soft pretzels (used to be only 25� from a vendor -
probably a bit more now), and probably a ton of other stuff that i didn't
really appreciate as a kid.  oh yeah, the franklin institute (as in ben
ben franklin) is fun too.  and then there's all the historical stuff, like
the liberty bell, independence hall, etc.

what was the question anyway?  i have a feeling it was more like specific
meeting spots before the show that was being asked, and i've just started
to ramble on a bit.  as was said earlier, the spectrum is on the outskirts
of the city.  i don't really know the area around there at all.  only went
down there to go to either the spectrum, the vet, or jfk (last event ever at
jfk was a dead show!  it's a shame they tore that place down...)

i guess i haven't really provided too much truly useful advice.  sorry.

- rich