Conference rdvax::grateful

    
    
    
    
    
    	Snif, Snif, Snif........
    
    	Don't go, stay, find a job quick.  I'm going to miss you to much 
    	to let you go.  The only hope I have now is that they close 
    	Devens (where Barry works) and send us out to CO.  They are 
    	talking about it.   John, you have helped me so much I couldn't 
    	even beging to thank you.  Just knowing that I could pick up the 
    	phone and you would make me laugh.  The thought of loosing you now
    	makes me crazy.....let them can me instead.  I'm ready for it...
    	it would get me use to being home and becoming a Mommy. This 
    	company really sucks. They always take the good guys and leave 
    	the shit-bums behind.  (Not that any of us are shit-bums because 
    	we still have jobs but you catch my dirft) 
    
    	Love ya John......
    
    	Nicole  

I'm sorry to see you go, John.  I didn't even know you were leaving 8-(.
Hope you find what you want in Oregon, and maybe I'll see you in Eugene.
And maybe, they'll come by this afternoon and tell you they made a mistake
and that they were really going to give you a raise instead 8-}

Keep in touch and please tell Kim and the kids to hang in there!!

peace,
t!ng

    John Ryan,
    
    I am mainly a read only, but every  once in a while put a comment in or
    a request.  I have read your notes carefully lately and I really like 
    what I am reading.  You seem very happy and at peace with yourself. 
    You have been a friendly medium and haven't blown up about little
    things (Some people may have been really P.O.ed about a note title
    change - You were really cool about it).  
    
    Everyone.  John has set a good example.  Lately have have seen way too 
    many extract - slash/repost (as / stateed in earlier notes).  I don't
    remember seeing this so much before - especially many of the personal 
    attacks.  I think people are making to many generalizations and
    opinions about others that they *really* don't know.  Let people have
    there opinion and don't crusify (sp) them for having that belief or 
    opinion.  You can disagree, but you don't have to insult them.
    
    I come to this notes file for the same reason as many other.  For
    GD information, and some fun and games.  I know the world we live in 
    isn't perfect but we are all on this ship of fools together.
    Take it easy and have some respect.  That is the grateful way.
    
    John R. You have made it through many bumpy roads.  CANGRATULATIONS!
    I wish you luck and much happiness.  Take care my friend.  May those
    road in the future be smooth and happy.  :-)
    
    Peace Mon,
    
    Scottg

    I forgot to say You will be missed greatly!! :-(
    
    Scottg
    

Why are we so tense?

Hell, it's MARCH!

;^)  I always start getting a bit antsy or bummed out
around Feb./March ... things get cheerier in the spring.  Humans need that
sun.  (you Californians are all set ;^)

On a more serious note ... hey, we just had a war.  Am I alone in being
pretty upset about that?  Every time I think about it, it nearly breaks
my heart.

I miss Coz's Parties in the Woods.  People are more apt to get uptight
with each other in Notes than face-to-face (as someone mentioned earlier).

Tell you what; let's all take a week's vacation at the same time.  Hmmm,
we'll need to meet somewhere in between ... say, Kansas.  I'll bring the
Zarex.

- Dave

>  If you don't mind, may I please say let's all lightnen up and talk about the 
>Dead and music and not be so darn sensitive.  When I first entered this notes
>file a couple people entered heartfelt entries about leaving, how much they loved 
>this notesfile and the people in it.  I thought "ah come on, this is a damn 
>notesfile of people you don't ever see."  Well, let me say, I'm really gonna miss

John,

Here's a read-only (mostly) from the U.K. who agrees completely. I first felt
that the goodbyes seemed overdone. However, after a year of trying to quit
Grateful, I find myself coming back to it every time. Although the network
access from this side of the pond is atrocious (which is one reason I don't
write much), I still find myself making the effort to catch up on what everyone
is doing.

The feeling is definitely one of openness and trust. In some ways, I see it as
encapsulating the Digital theory of trusting people to do the right thing. We
are all going through a very difficult time, both in company (economic) and in
more general world terms. I think that sort of pressure is bound to take its
toll. However, if we are aware of the stress being caused, then we can make
allowances for it and proceed in a more normal way.

I will certainly miss your notes, John, as one of the thought provoking people
in here. I guess I like my preconceptions to be challenged. It's the only way
to keep you perspective fresh.

Cheers,
Tim

 Say it's no so John. 8-(

  There could be many reasons fo rthetension that exisists in the file 
these day, but it still is a good place to come with thoughts and
emotions without fear of ridicule. Isn't it said that we hurt the ones we
love the most. When your gone and you think of Grateful, and I'm sure
you will, remember the good times.


Shawn

    
    :-(
    
    It does always seem as if the best ones go, doesn't it?  :-(
    John, you will be missed a lot!  Please try and keep in touch somehow
    and hopefully I'll get to see your smiling face at a show someday.
    
    Good luck wherever this golden road leads you..
    
    :-) Phyllis
    
    

john,

Sorry to see you go and I'll miss your contributions.

peace and hugs,
john

    
    
    Hey Marv.
    
    WHAT SAY!!! I work in MCG and we haven't been told didly. That's one of
    the big rumors floating around but nothings out yet. Hey I got my
    coffee to wake me up Idon't need these kinda things.
    
    steve_i_think

> Tell you what; let's all take a week's vacation at the same time.  Hmmm,
> we'll need to meet somewhere in between ... say, Kansas.  I'll bring the
> Zarex.
  
	don't forget the porta potty!  :-)


John, it'll be Tuesday before I catch up in here!  I am so glad I did a
directory and saw this note!!  Wow, I'll miss you ... and your random phone
calls.  I won't wish you luck because you won't need it ... you are a strong
and wise person and as long as you have yourself you should be all set.
Smile and enjoy!!

You are loved and WILL be missed........


Lisa

Hey now john,

Next time i'm in COLO, I do hope to hook up w/ you... I'm sure  RfB will
keep track of your where-a-bouts!

good luck mon and keep the peace...
JC

.14  basically describes the whole nature of this Layoff thing.  Everybody
has a different story, and who knows what is truth and what is fiction...

the story of Digital Equipment Corporation.

RE:        <<< Note 150.15 by BIODTL::FERGUSON "the rainbow has a beard" >>>

>.14  basically describes the whole nature of this Layoff thing.  Everybody
>has a different story, and who knows what is truth and what is fiction...



Which is exactly why I'd recommend that we don't talk about groups rumored
to be laid off or expected imminately, etc.  Not trying to censor anybody,
but I'd sure hate to read about it in here if my group was "rumored" to be
on the chopping block...



Jim

    
    
    re the last few
    
    I not bummin on this cause the rumor mill is so hot and heavy these 
    days anything is possable. The thing that has me P.O is the lack of 
    communication from management(now where have I heard that before?)
    I for one would like to be told atleast what proposals are being 
    negotiated I'm a big kid I can take it. But this kind of thing is why
    so many inmates on death row say "do it and just get it over!"
    
    steve

RE .17


Yeah, I know what you mean.  I guess I was speaking as a manager.  I've got
16 people who are just as concerned as everyone else.  And I try to keep
them up to date with whatever information I hear (albeit very little).  Problem
is however they may read this or another Notes conference and pick up on rumors
and they go into a panic and I spend a day or 2 having to calm everybody back 
down.   



Jim

	oooohhhh Jooohhhnnn :-(  I'm gonna miss you, 
	you wiseguy <--I mean that two ways!  Really, you've
	added sensitivity and thoughtfulness and thoughtprovokingness
	and MUCH humor to our lives...thanks!

	love, Debess

  Oh you guys, everyone say a prayer to teh spirit of your choice between
9:00 - 11:00 Mountain time for me, please.  I have a 2 hour technicsl 
interview that was quickly arranged by my funder, that wants me onboard.
They talked to me last night and I was honest and told them they should
only fill their req, with a highly qualified technical person as it 
would not help DEC to keep people just because they liked them.  Not really
very smart am I??  Anyway, they are hoping i can demonstrate the technical
expertise, but i have been a course developer adn tech. writer for so long
that I have really really lost my confidence in the technical arena.  Hey,
I like the touchy feelie stuff!!!  Anyway here is hoping I even have two hours
of technical in me!!  It is with Sales Support so I could take a step towards
the field I have been told to getr in.

  Bye and thanks for the kind words, sure makes me feel good, I'll put my
home address and phone number in later.

  john 

If it's a job you want, go for it!! Don't be afraid to stretch. Even if you 
don't have ALL of the qualifications/experience you think might be needed but
want the job and the challenge of gaining that stuff, do it. Best of luck. 
Plenty of positive vibes heading your way! :-)

jeff

    
    
    
    
    	Hey John, 
    
    	We train Sales and Sales Support people here in my building. 
    	Very new and very technical training.  Maybe they would be 
    	interested in sending you out here for a few weeks of training. 
    	Sounds great to me.  You would have a much nicer place to stay 
    	then in a hotle, meet some new/old friends, and become a tech. 
    	wize all in one tirp.  Sounds like the best reason to take the 
    	job....only kidding, gotta do what feel good for you.  Wish 
    	you luck John.  
    
    	Smiles...

  Well, ya see, you are a DEC consultant to a College and they have a 
1000 student user expectancy in this one building and then about a 30
user admin. group in another blg. connected to a 15 user admin group in
a city across the state. What do you advise they get, hardware and software
no budget problems.  Please be specific.  WOW!!! did I _not_ have a good 
interview, I didn't know the software or the network or the hardware, other
than that I did pretty well.  ;-)

 It was sweet of them to try, but I really am not Technical enough. I appreciate
the Mail from you all and T!ng, thanks for calling. Everything is good here,
packing up and putting my resume on every telephone pole in the city  ;-)


  peace

  john     
  

$!
$!	Djrr.com
$!   Written by Fog, 4-4-91 for the general sanity of Grateful Noters.
$!
$!
$wr sys$output ""
$inq/nop tense "Are you tense? [y/n]"
$ if f$extract(0,1,tense) .eqs. "N" then goto byebye
$wr sys$output ""
$inq/nop fam "Is your problem related to family, friends or home situation? [y/n]"
$ if f$extract(0,1,fam) .eqs. "Y" then goto SEX
$wr sys$output ""
$inq/nop werk "Is your problem werk related? [y/n]"
$ if f$extract(0,1,werk) .eqs. "Y" then goto DRUGS
$wr sys$output ""
$inq/nop head "Are you having difficulty comprehending the universe? [y/n]"
$ if f$extract(0,1,head) .eqs. "Y" then goto ROCKANDROLL
$wr sys$output ""
$wr sys$output "If you answered no to all these questions, then your karma is truley"
$wr sys$output "outta kilter. Get some sex. Get some drugs, and get lots and lots of"
$wr sys$output "		Good ole rock and roll!!!"
$exit 
$drugs:
$wr sys$output ""
$wr sys$output "Your stress is real and most likely outside of your abilty to cope."

$wr sys$output "		   Take some drugs and you'll be cured."

$wr sys$output ""
$exit
$sex:
$wr sys$output ""
$wr sys$output  "Its all in your head. You are being an idiot socially:"
$wr sys$output "	     Yer not getting enuf. Have sex."
$wr sys$output ""
$exit
$rockandroll:
$wr sys$output ""
$wr sys$output "  You are truly bummed at the whole damned werld and can't reconcile your "
$wr sys$output "  personal life-philosophy/religion with any known form of expression."
$wr sys$output ""
$wr sys$output " You must put on some head phones and listen to your favorite music rilly loud."
$exit
$byebye:
$wr sys$output ""
$wr sys$output "You are doing grate and have a solid grip on your stress. You can relax now."
$wr sys$output ""
$wr sys$output "bye bye"
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re:  	Djrr.com

How come there's no part that asks you if you see a jolly bearded fellow
with the middle digit on his right hand missing sitting in your cubicle??

He's sitting next to me now... 8-\

peace,
t!ng

  Well gee whiz, guess what??  I did pretty well on the technical interview,
they liked by advice to the college and what to buy.  Just so much better
than I thought.  Pretty crazy, I think I'll get a job offer out of it.

  Wanna here something even more crazy, if I do I'm gonna turn it down!!!
man o man am I stupid!!!  ;-)  

   Glad to see you guys hugging and stuff.  I'll in here for another couple of
days and harass you, but here is my phone & address:

             John F. Ryan III
             P.O.Box 43
             Green Mtn. Falls, Co.  80819

             (719) 684 - 9861            

re:  Note 150.26 by OURGNG::RYAN

>  Wanna here something even more crazy, if I do I'm gonna turn it down!!!

Boy, I really wish you wouldn't.  Then that way, you can stay!!  8-)
But you gotta go after that dream, so do what you must and good luck!!

peace,
t!ng

�  < Note 150.28 by XCUSME::MACINTYRE >

  Thanks Marv, I appreciate the nice send off, makes me feel good.  Make sure
and write down my address from the other entry and we'll keep in touch.
Yeah, I goota go, it just feels like the right move to make at this time.

   
�    P.S.
�     John Ryan III
�               ^^^
�               |||
    
�    Ya mean there has been others?  No way, I'm sure you're one of a kind.


  You bet and I have the IVth running around college now!!!  and he wants to
come back east, you better watch out!!!


  john    

Best of luck to you John....stay in touch.








Jim

    Best of luck to you John. While I don't write all too often
    I did want to say bye to you as your replies in here have
    had a rilly positive effect on me :^) Take care.
    
    peace,Andy

Yes Sir....best of luck to the prolific Mr. John Ryan the 3rd.

Hey now John;

I sure will miss you.  Remember our first electronic meeting, when you bashed
me for entering a SubGenius rant in grateful_old? ;^)

Good luck in all you do ....

-dc

John,

	We'll miss you around here. The Happy Couple and The Happy Camper won't
pass you by whenever we're in your area. Just be sure to let us know what area
you're in!

THC&THC

�  < Note 150.32 by LANDO::HAPGOOD "Leroy says, 'keep on rockin'" >


� luck to the prolific Mr. John Ryan the 3rd.
              ^^^^^^^^

  I thank you Bob, that is the nicest it has ever been said about me.  ;-)


   john

  Gee I thought I was out of here??  They didn't get the paperwork out here
from corporate so we have to stay until Thursday.

  What really scares me is my fear that I am too stupid to be afraid!!!
We talked a while back about what is really important in life and I 
believe if I keep my wits about me DEC has just given me a chance to go
prove it to myself.  ;-)  I am confident of getting a job and I need the 
change.  I'm happy for my family and looking forward to leaving the mega
corporate environment, but hope I'm being realistic.  

  I'll login on Thurs. morning tell ya all bye.

  john

 I've been thinking, why don't we pick a day, on that day no noting, 
(at least in grateful ;-), sit back and reflect on what GRATEFUL 
means to you. Think about the atmosphere of the conference, how the 
good and bad effects you. Whether or not you could make it thru
work on a day to day basis without GRATEFUL. Just what are our 
priorities concerning GRATEFUL. Then the following enter what 
you've found about your attitude toward the DEChead comminuity.

I think we would all have the same feelings or close to the same,
no matter what our other differences are. 

yes, no, any opinions?


Shawn

    John,
    
    Thank you so much for your words, and your courage to use them.  I'll
    miss you very much.
    
    So don't go! :-(
    
    Or at least, drop me a line some time.
    
    	Tim Grady
    	P.O. Box 272391
    	Tampa, Fl 33624-2391
    
    ...and whichever path you choose, GOOD LUCK!!
    
    tim
    

    I screwed up my own zip code.  Duh.  It's 33688-2391
    
    tim
    

    re .38
    
    Yeah, right Shawn, that will be the day Summer tour tix
    go on sale and we'll miss the first day for mo ;^) ;^)
    
    Actually I already think I know what Grateful means to
    me. Besides being able to know when tix go on sale it
    provides me with a path to form various friendships which
    in itself is very important to me! The happenings in here,
    like the camping note (hope to make it this year) the
    Slipknot note among many others give me a chance to meet
    some of the most beautiful,caring people I'm sure I'll
    ever get to meet :^) 
    
    peace,Andy

    I agree Andy, what you said applies to me too ...
    
    							... Bob
    

    re .38
    
    Ah, if I only had the time to sit back and ponder, I'd probably ponder
    the things that are already queued up in PONDER$BATCH.  :^)
    
    dave

>       <<< Note 150.43 by SPOCK::IRONS "Shadow boxin' the apocalypse" >>>
>                         -< JBSYSQUEUE.DAT corruption >-
>
>    re .38
>    
>    Ah, if I only had the time to sit back and ponder, I'd probably ponder
>    the things that are already queued up in PONDER$BATCH.  :^)
>    
>    dave



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belongs in the "I've Worked Here Too Long Note" ...

		:-) :-)