Conference rdvax::grateful

    good question JC...
    
    personally i think it's a bit early to be talking about how the war
    (ok, you didn't say the war specifically but that's pretty much how i
    read "all that is going down in the world today" :^) is going to change
    life as we know it (or knew it) in the US...  i really do believe that
    the possibility exists that it will be a *relatively* short war and
    that not much may really change when all is said and done...
    
    that being said, yes i do believe that the stage is set for a number of
    potential changes in society, what with the s&l's being in the toilet
    and everything else...
    
    i don't know if i would look for as radical a change as we have seen in
    past years, but i do think the possibility exists for a new "cultural
    mind set" that discards much of the semi-values and materialistic
    attitudes that we have seen through much of the 80's...  "the scourge
    of yuppieism" if you like...  
    
    i can envision a certain disdain for materialism...  somewhat more
    spartan lifestyles coming back in vogue...  kind of a back-to-nature
    movement of sorts but with less granola munching...  :^)   i can 
    envision "co-operative communities", or communes if you prefer, in
    which groups of people take off together to somewhat remote places
    (not a bazillion miles from civilization-just out of town) to do thier
    own thing and take care of each other as best they can with what they
    have, away from the external pressures and distractions of the
    "city"...
    
    i can imagine bartering becoming a more acceptable means of exchange...
    after all, money ain't what it used to be, remember?
    
    i don't know if i would call what i envision a "revolution"...  almost
    more of an abandonment...
    
    dramatic changes in society???  i'm not so sure...  a conscious
    discarding of some firmly entrenched sytems, values, etc by those
    who would embrace a "new counter-culture"?  i can picture it...
     
    				da ve
    
    
    

re:       <<< Note 108.0 by 29812::FERGUSON "Is it just a waste of time?" >>>
   
>Do you think there will be another counter-culture revolution in the 90s ?

    I don't see another counter-culture revolution like the 60's/70's
    unless this sort of thing become's the "in" thing to do (like back
    then). I mean we have a nouveau/pseudo ecological revolution kind
    of going on, but only because it's commercially popular. Remember, 
    Vietnam was an unpopular war with a draft lottery, this is a popular war
    involving an all-volunteer military (so far). Patriotism is in,
    so-called anti-patriotism is not. I don't feel anti-patriotic when 
    I exercise my right to free speech and condemn the war, although 
    I'm called that when discussing my opinions with people who back
    the war.
    
>Would you participate in something like this ?

    Depends on if I feel the organizers are right. I don't wholeheartedly
    agree with a lot of the so-called anti-war people either. Some of their
    motives seem out of whack.
    
>What form would it take ?

    Dunno.
    
>Do you think it would turn into violence on both sides ?  (Protesters causing
>destruction and police beating up the protesters).

    Already has.
    
>Think about the possibilities. .... ... 
    
    Dizzying.
    

    Unlike the late Abby Hoffmann, I believe there is genuine substance
    hidden beneath the slightly glitzy facade of the new left.  It's true
    that there are those who use the new movement as a vehicle to
    popularity in their social lives, but that is always the case in any
    popular movement.  Nevertheless, it does not take away from the
    sincerity of those whom I've met who display true commitment to peace,
    ecology, equal rights and freedom.
    
    Remember, we gave them John Travolta as a role model.
    
    After all, I didn't agree with everything Abby said and did, yet he
    remains a dominant icon of the 60's movement.  He was certainly
    entertaining, and brought attention to the issues of the day, even if
    he did get a little out of hand at times.
    
    My impression is that the new movement can learn from the mistakes of
    the 60's as well, such as drugs, and the social duplicity of dropping
    out while protesting for substantive change.  Commitment to a cause
    mandates involvement, not escapism.  I think the new generation sees
    this, and I find them inspiring.
    
    Will I join in?  I think I already have.
    
    tim
    

    hangin out with them youngsters, eh Tim?
    
    
    :^)


       
    rfb

    Willie_Nelson_for_Prez
    
    as Dr. Leary says - drop out and tune inn and just say know.
    
    
    
    kc

KC -----

Good to hear from you in here mon!!  How are things in the Concrete City?  

	JC

    jah JC,
    
    Everything is bueno! Staying busy and all that stuff.
    
    kc