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Title:Take my advice, you'd be better off DEAD
Notice:It's just a Box of Rain
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Created:Wed Jan 02 1991
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Number of topics:580
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40.0. "Tie Dye" by SPICE::PECKAR (More or less in line) Thu Jan 10 1991 11:13

	This topic is reserved for discussions relating to the fine art of
	tie-dying.

		The Keyword TIE_DYE has been added to this note.

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		28   another roadside tie-dye stand	(2 replies)
		621  Tie Dye				(40 replies)
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40.1Pro Chem's addressNOPROB::JOLLIMOREFish are rising up like birdsMon Jan 14 1991 07:575
                         Pro Chemical & Dye Inc
                               P.O. Box 14
                           Somerset, MA  02726
                               508-676-3838
40.2source for software?BCSE::ABBOTPeaceTue Jan 22 1991 18:209
    This may have been asked before, but...
    
    Does anyone have a source for cotton shirts and pants do dye?
    I would like heavy t-shirts like Hanes beefy-t's, long sleeve
    shirts, and plain white pants. I can't even find painters pants any
    more.
    
    Scott
    
40.3I've seen 'em here before.BIODTL::FERGUSONIs it just a waste of time?Wed Jan 23 1991 09:073
T-shirts:  Try Sears, Ames, K-maht.

Painter's Pants:  Try Sears.
40.4Oh the Colors...OH THE COLORS!!!!CLOSUS::BARNESTue Jun 18 1991 10:277
    GRATEFUL DYES, INC. c/o Pirate Records, Inc.
    4664 S. Yosimite St. 
    Englewood, CO. 80111
    
    Phone # (303) 721-6032
    (that's a Denver burb)
                         They carry Procion MX Fiber Reactive Dyes. 
40.5babydieSPICE::PECKARHail Baby!Tue Oct 22 1991 16:238
Anyone have the address for the Not Fade Away tie dye place in New Paltz, NY?

I'm also looking for sources for tie-dyed baby clothes in the area; the kind
which'll stand up to the requisite industrial-strength kleening that my son,
like his dad, will summarily require.  :-)

fog
40.6phone # (914) 339-1087NEST::KIBLINGWed Oct 23 1991 08:4118
    
    Here you go Fog:
    
    Not Fade Away Graphics, Inc.
    71 Main Street 
    New Paltz, N.Y. 12561
    
    	also
    
    54 Tinker Street 
    Woodstock, N.Y. 12498
    
    	and
    
    77 Cornell Street, 1st Floor
    Kingston, N.Y. 12401
    
    		Pete
40.7white cotton outletTLE::LASSENLetYourLifeProceedByItsOwnDesignThu Aug 26 1993 10:2714
Pro Chem will send you a list of cotton dealers (and silk, too!).  I use A&G 
for beefy-Ts (they have an 800 # in Illinois) and Ames for light weight (just
can't beat the price anywhere - especially if you wait for a sale).

Anybody have a recipe for batik resist?  I've used various wax combinations
and Sabra Silk Resist (from Pro Chem).  Wax works well for dye bath methods
(not water solulable).  Silk Resist is good for the painting method, it is
water solulable, a joy to remove afterwards!  I've heard that another option
is a flour paste mixture (certainly less expensive then Sabra Silk, I
suspect).  Anybody got one?

peace, love and tie dye!
-pam
40.8CSCMA::M_PECKARThat would be somethingThu Dec 09 1993 10:1320
Liquid Blue is one of GDM's prime contractors, particularly for tie dies.
This place is chock full of seconds on tie dyes for cheap. You can well 
imagine that the shirt which is $40 at a show would be a great buy at $6.00 
if it had a minor dye glitch...

   liquid blue factory outlet is located in the quality factory
   outlet center, 638 quequechan street, fall river, ma, 02721,
   (508) 674-2330.  their holiday hours are: mon - wed: 9-6;
   thurs - fri: 9-8; sat: 9-9; sun: 12-6.  directions:
   from providence, take 195 East to exit 8A (Route 24 South),
   then left off Exit 2, Brayton Avenue, 1st right on to
   Jefferson Street.  the outlet will be about 2 or 3 blocks
   on your right.
   from boston, take 24 South, to 195 and take the exit for
   Providence (195 West).  in about 1/2 mile, take exit for
   24 South, then take Exit 2, etc.

   shop 'til you drop!  this place also has lots of other stores,
   so grab a guide, and look around :-)

40.9Dyeing adviceROCK::CHARNOKYThe time has come, the walrus saidTue Dec 20 1994 14:31226
    I did some dyeing and batiking this weekend (with a little help from my
    friends :-) and got some pretty good results!  
    
    A little advice for anyone who wants to try it:
    
    	1) Use Procion MX dyes.  It's a little pricey (~$4/ 2 oz jar) and may
    	   be hard to find, but it produces GREAT results!  DO NOT use RIT
           or Tintex dye that you may find at the supermarket.  The color
    	   will fade!  Procion is a reactive dye that, when mixed with soda 
    	   ash, will actually bind to fibers.
    	2) If you are looking for shirts, check the Yellow Pages under
           T-shirts or screen printing.  I bought Lee 100% shirts for only
           $3.90 apiece at Jek Tek in Hudson.
    	3) You might want to use gloves.  The dye WILL stain your hands,
           and won't wash out for a few days unless you use bleach.
    	4) Once you are done dyeing, do not untie the cloth!
           Put it in a plastic bag for 24 hours and let the dye soak in.
    	   Then, untie it and let it dry.  Later, rinse out the excess dye.
           If you untie and rinse immediately, you may lose a lot of color.
    
    Also... here's some good dyeing info I grabbed off the net.  Enjoy!
    (BTW: tie-dyes make great Holiday gifts!)
    
    /Mike 
    
From umd5!haven!uvaarpa!mmdf Thu Jun 28 12:06:32 EDT 1990
Article 27592 of rec.music.gdead:
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>From: [email protected] (Glen A. Wagnecz, X6616)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Tye Dying (semi-long)
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HOW TO TYE DYE IN 185 LINES (11602 characters) OR LESS...

Disclaimer: Most of this info. was arrived @ randomly.
Disclaimer2: Not responsible for kitchens/bathrooms that look different
after this!

1. Obtain your dyes/chemicals.  Brooks and Flynn is a good place, their 
number is (800)822-2372, or (707)584-7715.  They will send you a catalog,
along with a color chart (this chart has sample of fabric colored w/the
dyes so you can get an idea what the colors will look like).  A little
dye will go a long way: last batch we made, we bought about 7 colors
X 2 oz.'s per color and made something like 2 dozen multi-color
(<understatement!) shirts, w/leftover dye!  Use the Procion MX Fiber
Reactive Dyes, they're potent!  You can also get the auxilliary
chemicals from B/F.

2. Shirts to dye.  Probably one of the most important things with dying is
to use 100% cotton (avoid material with finishes: stay-pressed, etc.).  I 
dyed two shirts with the same dye once, one that was a 100% cotton, the other
a 50/50.  (It was a shirt from MSG that was undyed, but I couldn't resist the 
screen!)  The 100% cotton came out brillant, the other one looked like a
completely different dye was used (it was pale, like when you use that crap
(RIT) from the supermarket!).  Another example is when you by shirts on tour
that are stitched with poly thread in the seams, the syn-fibres just don't
take the dye well at all! (the stitches stay white).   Also, try sweats,
socks, towels too! (Just as long as its cotton...

3. Patterns.  This is where you have to use your imagination!  Some of the
more common designs:

	a. Electric bunching: Pre-treated (see below) shirt is crumpled into
a ball and the dye applied.  When you take it apart, you get patterns that
look like leaves in the fall.  If you are planning multiple colors, do them
in separate steps, they come out better (no areas of dye blended, good
color separation, although, depending on preference, you may want some blending
of the dyes!).  Start with the darkest colors first.   Use rubber bands or
string to hold the shirt bunched while you apply the dye.

	b. Various pleats.  Its easier if you get someone to help you fold the
shirt.  Basically, you fold it like an accordian, use about one-inch width 
pleats.  You can go up and down the length of the shirt, or go diagonally.
Different colors are applied across the different pleats (one color per pleat.)
You get a shirt that has different bands of colors corresponding to the pleats.

	c. Swirl effect.  Lay the shirt on the work  surface and using your
index finger and thumb, pinch the shirt where you want to have the swirl
start.  Then walk around the table while still holding on.  The fabric 
bunches into a swirl not unlike a jelly roll.  Apply each color to a different
portion of the swirl, but keep a single color on each portion of the swirl.
Don't cross to different portions of the fold (stay on the same fold) or the
individual color won't be continuous throughout the swirl.  Three or four
colors works nicely (try to use colors that contrast when side-by-side).
Now (this is where it gets interesting) put a piece of plastic-lined
cardboard on top and use the plastic lined cardboard bottom piece (you
know, the one I forgot to tell you about that you had to put down _before_
dying the shirt!) to flip the shirt over, taking care not to disturb the
folds in the shirt.  Repeat dying procedure.

	d. Teats.  Pinch the shirt and and pull up, forming a peak.  You can
either 1. smooth out any ridges (smooth cone) and then apply dye in a 
concentric fashion, or 2. Induce ridges (sort of like the pleats from b.
but pointing to the center of where you pinched the shirt).  Apply dye
to the tops of the ridges or use the previous pattern.  If you dye the
ridges, you'll get a circle w/branches growing out from the middle, and
if you dye concentrically, you'll get what looks like a "bulls eye".

	e. Batik.  Caution: you can make a big mess this way, but this
is one of the best effects I've seen.  Essentially, you dye the shirt lightly
using any of the above (lighter colors such as yellow or orange work best).
Then, melt wax is applied to the shirt and allowed to cool.  When you flex
the shirt with the cooled wax on it, it cracks, creating a webb-like 
pattern.  Dye is wiped into these cracks and allowed to penetrate.
The excess dye is rinsed afterwards, and now for the hard part: wax
removal.  Break off as much of the loose, bigger chunks by hand as you can
Then one of several methods: Put the shirt in boiling water (below the 
surface) and the wax will come off and float to the top (repeat several
times).  Dry cleaning can also be used.   People have also told me that
certain solvents will also take the wax off, but I consider this dangerous!
Besides, what do you do with the spent solvent, down the sink? (if you think
bacon grease = clogged drain, try sending some wax down there!).  Good effects,
but again difficult and time consuming!

	f. Reverse dying.  Bleach can be used as a dye also.  Any shirt that 
already has color on it can be formed into any of the patterns above and
bleach used in leiu of dye.  The trick is to use the right concentration of
bleach solution (H20/bleach).  Also, how quick the bleach solution is rinsed
off takes some practice.  Another interesting way to use bleach is to hang
a dyed shirt on a clothes line, get a squirt bottle full of bleach solution
and blast it from about twenty feet away (looks like the milky way when
you're done!).  Finally, bleach, the wonder solution, can be used like an
eraser on a blackboard if the shirt looks so bad that you can't even give
it to your sister! (smile Linda, I'm just kidding :),:))

There's probably dozens of other ways to apply the dyes, these are the ones
that come to mind.  Please let me know if there's something good I missed...

4. How to apply the dye.  There are two ways to apply the dye: one is to create
a dye bath and soak the fabric in it, the other is to apply the dye (in a much
more concentrated form) directly to the fabric (this is the way to truely
achieve deep, rich colors).   The reason for this is that the dye that you
would send down the drain is instead applied directly to the fabric rather
than being thrown out with the remnents of the bath.

I'll talk just about the second method.  For direct dye application, there's 2
ways to prepare the dye/reactant system: 1. One is to apply the dye to fabric
that has been pre-treated with a base solution, while the second is to add the
base directly to the dye before applying to the fabric.  The advantages to the
second is that you eliminate the pre-soak step.  However, the dye must be used
within 4 hours of base addition or it's shot.  Personally, I think the two-step
process produces richer colors, and the dye keeps for about two weeks w/o the
base in it.

To do the two-step process, first prepare a pre-soak solution by adding 1 cup
of soda ash to each gallon of water (luke warm).  Soak the shirts for about
5 minutes, then wring out excess solution.  This is also an important factor
in how much the dye will penetrate.  If you really wring the sh*t out of the 
shirt, then when you go to apply the dye, it will really soak in.  Conversely,
if you leave it relatively soaked with the soda ash solution, the dye won't
be able to penetrate as deeply (into the underlying fabric), sort of like a
full sponge that can't pick up anymore.  Again, T&E (trial and error).
After the pre-treat, apply the dye to the exterior.  The best way to do
this is to use dish soap/hair dye bottles, which give good control of the dye.
B/F gives mixing instructions for the right concentration for each dye, so I
won't talk to that here.  After dye application, put the shirt in a plastic
bag (don't wring it out!) and seal it.  Put it in a warm place (at least room
temp.) for about 24 hours.  Twenty four hours is OK, I wouldn't go less; and if
you go alot longer than that (upwards of two days), you'll get excessive 
penetration into the underlying fabric.  (Just use 24, trust me!).  It's also
important to keep the shirt with the dye moist during the 24 set, again, seal
the bag.

To do the direct application method (with the base added to the dye directly),
mix the dye per instructions to the right concentration, and then add 
about one teaspoon of soda ash to each 8 oz. of concentrated dye solution.
Before dye application, wet the shirt with warm water instead of soda ash
solution.  All else applies.  B/F sells this stuff called "calsolene",
which is a water-prep. chemical.  I've used it sometimes and other times not,
I'm not sure if the water in my area is that bad ("bad" meaning the
particular mineral content).  Some might require this, so it's probably
not a bad idea to get it.

Two things at this point: 1. Wear disposable rubber glooves, the base is
harsh to your hands, and it takes about a week for the dye to wear off
your skin (don't ask why I know that).  Secondly, a persistent problem is 
cross-color contamination.  You just get done making a nice red shirt.  The
next one is going to be pure yellow (or so you thought).  Problem is it picked
up red!  Always change the glooves between colors, and clean whatever work
surface of the previous color or its gonna be on the next shirt!  Disclaimer:
one of my friends made a nice shirt by wiping a shirt across a trash bag that
he was using as a work surface...

5. The rinse.  After the shirts have sat in a bag for 24 hrs., its time to 
rinse the excess dye off (don't be alarmed, alot comes out but there's
enough left behind for a good color).  Before you even untie/cut the rubber
bands or string, wash the outside of the bundle with cold water.  This helps
to eliminate unwanted "backstaining" (dye where it's not supposed to be).  
Then start to take the strings off, again, keeping it under plenty of cold,
running water.  Finally, I put the shirts into my bath tub, which I have
filled with cold water and added a little laundry detergent (use just enough
to get a hint of bubbles, no more).  Let them sit in it for about a half
hour, occasionally stirring.  Then wash cold in the wash machine per normal
way.

6. Misc.Poop: Any spills can be wiped with a mild bleach solution 1 cup per wash
bucket, but keep this solution away from your dyed shirts!  Wipe spills quickly,before they have a chance to take!
The pre- rinsed shirts won't stain your bathtub after the initial rinse
under running water.  The initial rinse should be for at least 5 minutes
or until the water running off the shirt starts to clear, which ever happens
last.  Then go to the bathtub portion of the rinse... 

7. Final word.  I'm sure that there's gonna be some people out there
that get bent that I posted this info. (they would rather sell you the
shirts).  I hope that whoever reads this info. uses it to make all their
friends happy (some of the best gifts I've given).  If your intent is to
go out and make big bucks milking the scene for what its worth, may you 
get stuck with a 100 shirts you can't sell.  I'm not going to try to
control this info. as its fairly accessable anyway (besides, info. usually
isn't the problem, underlying attitude as to it's use is...).  With that
in mind, have a blast!  You can now have a good supply of t.dyes for 
yourself/family and friends (yeah, I even got Dad to wear a nice sunburst
pattern when he does his gardening!). The only reason I buy shirts anymore
is for the screen patterns (I'm clueless as to how to screen!).  Again, please
feel free to add to /correct these instructions...

				Glen
 


40.10TRLIAN::DUGGANBornInTheDesert,RaisedInTheLionsDenThu Jun 15 1995 13:4713
    Marty just finished tie-dyeing a set of jumpers, shorts, and bib for
    our nephew. She hadn't done any for a long time so she practiced...
    
    
    by tie-dyeing her panties...
    
    
    
    but she put them on before they were dry!
    
    8*)
    
    ...michael t. "Husband of a painted lady"Head
40.11CXDOCS::BARNESThu Jun 15 1995 14:138
    HA! 
    
    last time we tye-dyed, our hands stayed dyed for a week or two
    ....something to look forward to, eh Mike!?!?  %^)
    
    enjoy!
    
    rfb