Conference rdvax::grateful

    I haven't upgraded from Deadbase II because the filler content of
    Deadbases III and IV is approximately 60-70% of the book.  I feel that
    the statistics are WAY overdone, so much so that the book suffers from
    information overload.  For someone who really needs to know how many
    "Me & My Uncles" opened the 2nd set on Monday nights, that type of info
    can be easily (albeit tediously) extrapolated from the set lists.  i
    find some of the statistics useful (mainly for browsing), but I feel
    that they really went overboard in III and IV.  I also don't care much
    for the reviews, which gushingly praise every note the band played.
    
    I don't have a problem with useless statistics themselves, but
    eliminating them would lower the cost of the book.
    
    Jamie
    
    PS- I'll probably buy Deadbase V when it comes out; I expect to see
    such fascinating data as what color shirt Jerry wore for each show
    included.

    I think Deadbase III is the best of the bunch. DBIV got rid of the
    Garcia lists for about 100 pages of really worthless info. Do I really
    need to know all the songs containing the word "the"? And the
    Bobby-Jerry list is rather useless, and doesn't prove much of anything.
    
    The only parts I regularly use are the set lists, the every time played
    list on occasion to identify a tape, and the song titles list if I need
    to know when a song was first done or who wrote it. Most of the reviews
    are interesting, but like Jamie said, there's too many useless
    statistics.
    
    I'd like to see more effort put into solo set lists and get everything
    in one book If someone really needs all the other stuff, maybe they
    could make an expanded edition for them.
    
    Scott
    

Klearly, the fine folks at Deadbase have been conducting a grand and ongoing
experiment.  As with all experiments, there are bound to be failures and
succeses; the sucesses work themselves into permanent fetures and the failures
go away.  I like that fact that each new edition of Deadbase offers different
features to which I can return, if need be.  One thing is for sure: each year
the setlist section seems to be more complete and accurate, and that in and of
itself is a valuable enough reason to make the investment year after year if
you are a semi-psuedo-serious collector of Dead Tapes.

Fog

       I pretty much agree with the others, I think DEADBASE is invaluable
    if your into collecting dead tapes at all, but much of the statistics
    in IV isn't of much use and I was dissapointed when they took out the
    Garcia section, since I don't have any other editions of it and my
    Jerry tapes are in hurting need of verification of dates, sets &
    venues, now I'll probably have to buy the GARCIABASE edition.....
      Does anyone know if it is out yet....
    
    
                                                   Sean
    
                                                   

    The every-time-played section is really useful for identifying tapes.
    The every time they played each venue is also useful sometimes.
    Beyond that, the statistics are both too much and not enough (too much
    is never enough?).  Of course, if they ever release a machine-readable
    version, we can extract all the statistics we want...
    
    BTW, I don't have IV yet.

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	"don't tell me this town ain't got no HART" and the crowd roared
	back.  In my mind this opener was a clear message (I said, in MY
	mind ;-) ) that the band was glad to be in hartfordtown and they
	were sending out a hello to us all - and we were surely sending it
	back.  I had a good feeling right from the start with the energy
	that was being passed back and forth...

	Little Red Rooster - well, I know a lot of youse hate this song
	but by now y'all must know that the blues speak to my soul and
	that was no exception last night with the second song being a
	nice raunchy rendition of Rooster.  I was in a particularly
	"romantic" mood last night and Guntis and I danced a real-nice-slow-
	suggestive (oh, should I go on ;-) ) number while this was played...
    
	The next four songs - Stagger Lee, Me and My Uncle, Mexicali Blues
	and Friend of the Devil - I'll dub the outlaw medley!  I can
	remember thinking - what if someone trying to discredit the band,
	took the setlist and transcribed this section of songs - well, it
	wouldn;t look too good, would it?!?  Bobby missed a verse of
	Me and My Uncle - he stepped up to the mike, couldn't remember
	the line, shook his head, smiled widely, stepped back and just
	played it instrumentally.  Made me smile, too.  The Mexicali jam 
	featured Jerry doing some Midi work which made me feel like I was 
	actually walking around a Mexican market during a festival or something.
	Horns and a lot of random movement-noise gave me this feeling -
	the sound was coming from different speakers set up around the
	arena.  Friend of the Devil was done with Jerry-intenseness that
	had me crinkling my brow along with him!

    	Just a Little Light - this is a good dance tune.  I enjoyed it.
	At one point there was a "dueling-banjos" kind of thing between
	Jerry and Brent - one would jam and then cut off and the other would
	come in and jam back to the other and so on.  The lights were
	beautiful to go along with this song.  I remember (maybe incorrectly)
	aqua-and-green and then white spots.  Some of the neat light effects
	were being done manually.  Before the show we noticed four people
	WAY the hell up above the second string of lights.  I would say
	they were about 75 up in the air sitting in what seemed like regular
	seats attached to a boom.  It looked pretty scary to me - I hope
	they had seatbelts!  Anyways, whenever the spots were randomly
	flying around the stadium in different directions (creating a
	very nice effect) - THAT was what these people were doing.  I have
	to wonder why that had to be done manually - I felt bad for them
	sitting up there for the whole show (they couldn't dance at all!)

    	When I Paint My Masterpiece - well, I love Dylan and I love Bobby
	and I love the Dead doing Dylan - so I guess you can say I loved
	this song.  I did.  "The hours I've spent inside the Coliseum"
	brought an expected roar from the crowd...

    	Ramble on Rose - nice harmonies.  Their voices seem to be in 
	real good shape.

    	The Music Never Stopped - it seemed like it wouldn't either.
	At times I had to remind myself that it was still the first set.
	The jam at the end was a combination funky - spacey.  I'd find
	myself at times dancing to a real funky rhythm to all of a sudden
	notice myself swirling dervishly to some good ol' space music.
	A band beyond description!
    

	The second set opened with Iko Iko!!!   I LOVE that song.  Dance
	your feet off.  Hey Now...HEY NOW!!...Iko iko all day...CLAP CLAP!!!
	I love it when the audience responds like that to a song.  The
	band can't help but respond back!  Jerry did some more Midi work
	on this one which put me into a parade in the French Quarter of
	New Orleans - jazzy horns.  Guntis and I don't agree on the
	Midi debate - he says he wishes Jerry would just stick to his
	regular guitar sounds, I like to hear Jerry experimenting with
	new sounds...

    	There was a group in the back with a banner for Looks Like Rain-
	they musta been happy!  I was too!  (I like to hear Bobby sing
	love songs ;-)  The lighting was beautiful for this too.  It
	LOOKED rainy - purple and blue.

    	He's Gone - nice harmonies again.  oh-oo-oo and nothing's gonna
	bring him back - it ended with the lights going out completely...

    	Truckin - does this count Coz?  Even though they didn't play
	St. Stephen, does this negate the effect if they do tonight?!?
	What a Long Strange Trip it's Been - yeah, that sums it up for
	me alright...

	Spoonful - yeah Bobby, you give ME fever!  Actually I watched
	him with the binoculars for a while and then turned to have another
	nice slow dance with Guntis.  ;-)...

	Drums took me into a south american jungle.  And I was walking
	through it.  I had my eyes closed to transport myself to another
	place but when I opened them and looked at the stage, it was
	real neat what they were doing with that big round hanging drum
	that Mickey was beating on - somehow they were making a light
	show on it - staticy kind of lights that vibrated with the drum,
	but the lights only seemed to be coming FROM the drum.  And the BOOMs 
	coming out of the back speaker across from where I was sitting 
	entered my body and I opened my arms to let it in easier.  Space was 
	hard to dance to - most of the 	crowd sat down (not ME though!)... 

    	The Wheel - beautiful.
	
    	All Along the Watchtower - I already described my feelings about
	Dylan songs.  I liked this one even better!!  Now that's an
	understatement.  Let me rephrase that - this was the HIGHLIGHT of the 
	night for me.  OWWWW!!!!!!!!!!  My feet still hurt!  It was OUT THERE!

    	Morning Dew - bring us back to earth.  Thanks Jerry - a beautiful
	way to end the set.  One of my favorites.  Intense.
    	
    	The encore was fast and fun.  I'm glad cause I still had quite a
	ride ahead of me and it was good to leave on a real upbeat note.
	They announced before the show started that they wanted the park
	empty by 2...GOOD LUCK - the park was PACKED!  I rolled home at
	4 this morning.  But I feel great today!  Have fun tonight all who
	are going - enjoy the St. Stephen we didn't get last night ;-)

	Debess
    

Well, last week I got my Deadbase '90 update -- # 142.  Lots of statistics
for 1990.  Have not had a chance to read the entire thing yet.

If you buy this, be sure to read my 12/13/90 show review towards the back of
the book!

My first official publication!
JC

    	Julie got her '90 Deadbase also (#141) her review and Lisa Yetto's
    are on page 129 Jamie Ide's is on page 128. The best reviews are from
    Timothy Dalton 10-22 & 24 pages 179 thru 182 (the supporting cast
    member is GerG) sounds like one hell of a trip !
    
    Chris

re:    <<< Note 61.20 by MSHRMS::FIELDS "A Time 4peace I Swear Its Not 2L8" >>>
    
    >The best reviews are from Timothy Dalton 10-22 & 24 pages 179 thru 182 
    >(the supporting cast member is GerG) sounds like one hell of a trip !
    
    Tim sent me the transcript of our escapades so I figured I'd post it.
    
    - Gerry
    
    
From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "Timothy J. Dalton" 30-MAY-1991 12:11:28.76
To:	raise::gladu
Subj:	Europe '90 

 
 
	16 Days in Europe: A Tale of American DeadHeads
	     Traveling Europe in the Fall of 1990.
 
	       Part 1: The German Experience...
 
 
 
   Myself and Gerry Gladu from Northampton, Mass. met at Logan International
Airport on Friday Oct 19, 1990 to begin our long awaited European vacation.
It was not purely coincidental that the Grateful Dead would be playing in Europe
in the same cities that we were visiting.  The whole ordeal began way back on
Tuesday July 17, 1990 in the Orchard Park, NY Post Office when we mail ordered
on the day after the Buffalo show for Europe.  At that time, it was just
Frankfurt, 1 Paris and 2 London shows for us, with rumors of more abounding.
 
   The first leg of our trip took us from Logan to New York's ever popular JFK 
airport, were we saw a number of heads waiting to board an east-bound plane.
We made a quick trip to customs (where we were able to freely walk into 
restricted, security areas) where we registered all of our electronics to avoid 
the possiblity of paying duty on our return.
 
   We were sitting in the non-head section of the plane on the flight from JFK
to Frankfurt.  An hour after taking off, we deceided it was time to begin 
dubbing. We were making some tapes for friends in England.  So out came two
pelican cases and soon we set up a mini studio on the plane with 2 D5's and a D6
dubbing away on 10/9/76.  As the plane slowly made its way to Europe, nothing
seemed real yet.  It all seemed like just another plane flight, maybe a business
trip to the bay area...but not like we were on our way to see the Dead in 
Europe.
 
   We landed in Frankfurt and soon realized that we were in another country.  
Strangely unfamiliar vehicles traveled the roads nearby the runway; military 
vehicles were everywhere.  The first fun part of our journey was luggage
gathering.  We waited for our plethor of luggage to come off.  It was a bit slow
doing so.  Gerry's pack had a broken zipper so he duct tapped it before take 
off. Now, as we waited for it, he wondered if the zipper had popped open during 
the flight or not.  When he saw that it hadn't, he issued a statement to show 
his relief, "Oh good, it didn't explode."  Which caused a mild reaction from
neighboring people as he uttered "the E-word".  My luggage never came off the 
plane, or so it appeared.  It was actually hiding in the "bulky baggage" 
section. So we gather our luggage, strapped my cooler onto my back pack and 
wandered off to find customs, about 150 pounds heaver than moments before.  

Customs turned out to be two doors, a green one for nothing to declare and a 
red one for declarations. As we passed the green doors, we entered a room full 
of people making an exit to the outside.  The customs officers had a head at 
one of the counters and were combing through her luggage like a fine tooth 
comb looking for lice.  As we paused to look, they just push us and told us to 
keep going.  With that, we were quickly ushered out into the main part of 
Frankfurt airport.  

We were greeted by an Americam information booth, run by the military (or by 
other Americans in Germany who happen to like short hair).  We stopped at the 
both and asked the most obvious question, "Can you tell me who won the game 
last night ? (referring to the ongoing world series battle)".  We eventually 
found our way to Avis where we picked up our VW Golf (soon to be decorated 
with a "DARKSTARVERGNUGEN" bumper sticker purchased in Foxboro and a net head 
sticker).  
 
   So here we are, two Americans in Europe, a car, lots of luggage, enough 
taping equipment to open our own store and no plans.  Its now 11 AM of Saturday 
the 20th (6 AM by our bodies, and we've only slept for 2 or 3 hours) and we head
on out into German traffic.  "Where Should we go?", I ask.  "I don't know," 
reponds Gerry.  As I look at the strange and unfamiliar road signs, a little 
more of the reality of Europe sinks in.  Without a real plan, we hop onto an
autobahn, the A5 southbound.  More of the German reality set in as we stopped 
at a rest area in Baden-Baden for lunch and cheerfully discoved that the rest 
areas on a road with no speed limit served a wide selection of bottled beer 
and even had a couple of casks of wine tapped.
 
   We continued on, experiencing more of Germany and her culture.  Southward we 
drove, almost into Switzerland, looking for a good place to camp for the 
evening. After finding a number of places labeled for camping that were 
actually RV parks, we finally discovered a campground in Rothaus, deep in the 
Schwarzwald, that had room for tents and that was "desireable".  So after some 
"conversing" which involved us using key German phrases to inform the camp 
proprieters that we did not speak German and that we desired to put up a tent, 
we paid our DM18 to camp next to some RV's, really roughing it this night.  As 
we looked for a place to pitch our tent, I tried to make a K-turn next to a 
steep hill, during which I let up on the clutch a bit too fast (oops!), making 
some tire tracks.  This led to an old German lady yelling at us in German.  
When she discovered we didn't speak German, she changed over to yelling with 
sound effects and cherades to get her point accross.
 
   So here we were in Germany, already giving new meaning to the term "Ugly 
American Tourists".  We deceided to set up our tent.  So we took out this 
several pound package which I had lugged from America inside my backpack and 
started the setup procedure.  Instantly, I noticed a problem.  We only had 13 
of the 24 required poles.  It appears that the remaining poles were either in 
Massachusetts or Vermont where the tent was used a month before for a Labor Day 
party.  Being ingenious engineering types, we were able to quickly come up with 
a way to keep the tent up using the car and some bungi cords for support.  This 
strange method of keeping the tent erect continued for the remainderof the tour.  
Never did the tent look the same twice.  We had the most identifyable tent 
anywhere on tour.  

After all of our traveling and hard work, we were famished.  Where to find food?
Where to find good German food ?  There were the questions that flashed through
our mind. Luckily, our camp ground also happened to be the town meeting area.  
There was a restaurant/deli/bar/town gathering center no more than 200 feet 
from our tent. So we wandered off and entered the restaurant.  The first thing 
we were greeted with was the deli counter.  The smell was heavenly.  Not your 
typical American cold cuts, but real German food.  And then the desserts; they 
looked like heaven-incarnate.  There was only one empty table, a tremendously 
large U-shaped table that obviously could seat many.  We sat down at the table 
on some finely constructed wooden booths covered with very comfortable pillows.  
Our waitress came over and began conversing with us.  We asker her if she 
spoke English, and as with most of the people we met in Germany, she did not.  
So we used our fluent command of their lnguage to muster up a 'zwei beir'.  
We were soon greeted by two 0.5 litre bottles of Rothaus Pilsner, a beer that 
is without doubt among the best I have ever tasted; its too bad that its only 
available within a few miles of the town.  We ordered traditional German food, 
knockwurst, bratwurst, sauerkraut, and bauernbraut.  All of the meal was 
incredible.  Especially the schwarzwalder kirschtorte, a black forest cherry 
cake without compare!  

We continued to talk and drink beer during the evening.  As the restaurant was 
crowded, our hosts gestured to us that they would like us to share our table.  
We readily consented and were sson joined by a German family.  We could not 
converse in spoken language, but we did develop a friendly rapport using 
a generalize language of gestures and facial expressions; afterall, smiling is 
universal.  We had found a small part of southern Germany that very few have 
found before.  A small, isolated town which met all of our expectations of what 
Germany would be like.  For a brief moment, we caught a glimpse into another 
culture.
 
   To further experience the German culture, we went to breakfast the next day
in Titissee, where we had a traditional German morning meal: cold cuts and 
bread. It seemed strange at the time, but the food tasted great. It was strange 
seeing some Barvarians there downing liters of beer at 9 A.M. like they were 
water.
 
   More of the German character was experienced on the second day of our stay 
in Germany as we explored the Schwarzwald (Black Forest).  We found the city of
Wolfach, home of the werewolf legends.  This was an old city, dating back to
at least the 1200's, surrounded by large walls.  We walked and explored the
city, stepping back through time with each footstep.  We were magically 
transported back in German history; a little plaque here, a marker there.  
History was all around us; we were emmersed in it.  Strolling along century 
old canals, entering old castle gates.  Again, this was Germany!  We also found 
an explanation for the werewolf stories during our journies.  Almost every 
house had a small compost pile out back, and in many of these piles grew 
large numbers of mushrooms.
 
   Our adventures continued as we slowly wandered further up the Black Forest 
on route 500.  In one little town we entered in the German wine country, we 
happened upon a harvest festival to celebrate the grape harvest this year.  
Not ones to pass up a random German street festival, we decieded to join in.  
We quickly located a place to stay outside of this little town, and then 
returned.  There was a band there wearing what we would call, traditional 
German clothing.  Wine was the beverage of the day; both old and new.  There 
was a new vintage, still turbid due to its recent origins.  Food also abounded, 
with the most interesting being a slab of cheese cut off from a 4 foot diameter 
cheese wheel, served on a slice of bread which appeared miniscule in comparison.  
Again, we had managed to find Germany.  Not the tourist filled cities, but the 
countryside, full of average people, living life their way.
 
   The third day was the 22nd.  We had a show to attend that evening.  We were
finally being forced to be somewhere at a certain time.  For that purpose we
returned to the autobahn.  Northward we sped.  As we traveled the great cental 
valley, many castles were seen off to the sides of road.  They dotted the landscape 
like sand dunes dot Cape Hateras.  We tried chasing one, but were unable to 
find the correct road up the hill to reach it.  Then we saw the one, or at 
least a sign for it.  Midway between Heidelburg and Darmstadt, Castle 
Frankenstein.  We thought that this one was too good to pass up so we went 
chasing it.  After a short drive up a mountain, we arrived at the famed castle.  
It had obviously seen better days; could it have been attacked and burned by 
angry villagers complaing about experiments occuring inside it ?  We may never 
know.  One obviously visible thing, there was a beir-garten inside of the 
castle.  Those Germans and their beer...it was everywhere.
 
   After taking in a final view of the valley below, we headed on back towards
Frankfurt.  Somehow, we found it.  And even more miraculously, we managed to
find the camp ground we were headed for.  Along the banks of the Main River, 
that was our goal.  Again, as with all camping in Germany, it was a RV park, 
a little escape from the city that surrounded it.  There was a stretch out 
back along the river where we could camp.  It was already populated by a number
of heads.  This was our first contact with non-Germans in a couple of days.  
As it was late afternoon, we quickly pitched the tent with the aid of a shopping
cart that we tied it to. After this, we packed up our gear and drove off to 
find the Festhalle.  
 
   Frankfurt was a giant cluster f***.  The traffic was horrendous; construction
projects were everywhere.  The road was routed everywhere except on the 
pavement. Somehow, we made our way through the mess and pointed ourselves in 
the direction that we thought was correct.  Soon we saw some heads and knew we 
were close. Then we saw a large building that we thought was it.  We headed for 
a parking lot, but were waved off as it was full.  The next thing, we were on 
an autobahn, rapidly heading away from Frankfurt.  Quickly we made a u-turn 
and found our way back, this time to the parking garage.  It was now 6 P.M. We 
ate a hurried meal of cold cuts in the garage.  A couple from the netherlands 
parked next to us, without tickets.  Luckily we had 2 extras which we sold to 
them at face cost, after convincing them that they were identical to our 
tickets and that they were not fake.
 
   We walked out of the parking garage and immediately ran into Philip and 
Elspeth from England and Byron and Bill from Boston.  What are the chances of 
that occuring ? After a brief conversation, we headed towards the gates, that 
were packed with a line of people waiting to enter.  After a short wait, we 
were able to enter after parading past American Militray Police, probaly there 
to look after the large number of american servicemen and women there, as 
evidenced by their short hair and American accents.  It was a small bit of 
home brought to them.
 
   The Festahlle was just that, a big hall, with an odd shape.  Small and 
close in the front, but rapidly expanding out in the middle.  There was a 
high domed ceiling.  The place looked and sounded like a cavern.  
 
   Finally, at 8:14 it began.  The European Tour suddenly became real as the 
lights dimmed and the Boys took the stage.  The set began with Bertha, which was
missing the opening lyrics, probably because Jerry's mic was not turned on.  
After a couple of uninspired songs, the set began to rock with the Willie 
Dixon party-tune, Wang Dang Doodle.  This began to get the audience into the 
set.  Jerry next gave us a fine version of Foolish Heart.  It started slowly 
as Jerry began the song.  The audience seemed to be more familiar with this 
song and were getting into it, as evidenced by their clapping.  The song 
became more and more rocking as it progressed. Jerry and Bob conversed as 
Foolish Heart faded out as if they wanted to do something. Bob began the 
infinite Dylan song, Desolation Row, which featured a great solo by Bruce 
Hornsby on the grand piano.  Going with the circus theme for the tour, the 
crowd let out a big cheer as Bob uttered the famous "and the circus is in town" 
line.  The Birdsong that followed was highlighted by Phil who shook the very 
floor of the Festhalle with his powerful bass notes!  I thought for sure that 
the set would end with promised land as Bobby began to play it.  However, it 
quickly stopped and we were given the premere performance of a rocking Valley 
Road by Bruce, which featured Bruce on lead vocals with Jerry and Vince backing.
To make it all complete, Phil became the showman with a couple of rock-star-like
jumps on stage; quite a rare performance for the laid back bass player.  All 
of this was squeezed into just about 60 minutes.  Short compared to the shows 
I had just seen at Madison Square Garden.
 
   Just before 10, the lights went out again.  It was time for the second set.  
A strange percussion intro opened the set.  What were we in for ??? I could 
not tell. What ever it was, it was going to be good.  After a half minute of 
this mystery opener, Victim or the Crime started.  Candice did a particularly 
good job on the lights.  They shone up into the voluminous reaches of the 
Festhalle; yellow, blue, purple, green; many colors.  They shone out like light
beams from a space ship suspended over the stage.  Fittingly, the song had a 
long, spacy end reminiscent of Miami. Out of this confusion and disorded that 
was VOTC, Jerry brought the order of Standing on the Moon, with his mellow, 
relaxing voice.  The crowd seemed to have a large numer of Americans in it, as 
evidenced by the rousing cheer given for the reference to San Francisco in SOTM.
As the energy in SOTM built up, it was time for something else, Bobby turned to
Mickey and Billy, giving them the 5-fingers sign twice, which naturally lead 
to Playing in the Band.  During the next song, Uncle John's Band, Dan cranked 
up the PA to really the get place rocking.  UJB led to a jam which I can best 
describe as a spiral.  The music brought visions of traveling through a spiral.
This led into Drumz with full quad effects.  The bass notes Mickey was able to 
hit on the beam were shaking the front of my pants.  The combination of the 
drumz with lightys shining out from behind the stacks gave everything a spacy 
air.  As the drummers left, space began.  Again, the lights were great; a 
myriad of little beams bouncing off reflectors in front of the stage, producing
a materfall of light.  This section of the set featured some audience 
participation, as someone lit some fourth-of-July sparklers in front of the 
board, making a small smoke cloud.  The rest of the show seemed hurried, 
uneventful.  The only other point of note was the encore, The Weight.  The 
second set was a brief 87 minutes from start to end of encore.
 
   The next day was a travel day, as we had to make the long trek from Frankfurt
way up north to Hamburg.  We journeyed up north, passing a long convoy of 
military vehicles.  It seemed that the military was everywhere in Germany, and 
they were always going somewhere.
 
   We managed to make our way to City Camping-Hamburg, along with a few other 
heads. It was located a bit out of the city, in the suburb of Eidelstedt, rather
nice little surburban area.  After setting up our tent with the aid of a fence,
we proceeded to ask the manager of the campground where we could go to get some
good food, cheap.  He directed us to an area of the city known as the 
Reeperbahn. 

We walked around the area for a while, unable to find a suitable place to eat; 
as this turned out to be the red light district of Hamburg.  Instead, we 
deceided to explore Eidelstedt center and look for a place to eat.  We setteled
upon a little German tavern.  The place was small.  With maybe 10 bar stools, 
and 4 or 5 tables.  It had one of the ubiquitous coin-operated gambling machines
that were all too common across that country.  We came in and sat down.  When 
we entered, all of the 5 patrons in there proceeded to turn around and look at 
us.  I guess we stood out. Our dress was different than that of the average 
German; jeans, boots, flannel shirt, vest.  We would later find out that the 
Germans though that we were either English or more likely, Canadian lumberjacks.
 
  The bartender came over, handed us menus and began to speek to us in German.  
We informed him that we could not speak German and instead asked him if spoke 
English. To which he held up his hand, holding his thumb and pointer finger 
together, and said "a little."  We ordered two beers (Astra Pilsner) and looked
through the menu.

Our little dictionary was of little help when deciphering the menu.  We asked 
the bartender for help;  his difficulty in translating some of the dishes into 
English let to some comments by his customers, who were obviously regulars.  
We managed to place an order.  After our meal (which was again quite good, 
although it contained meat and potatoes, just as all the rest of the food in 
Germany) and another beer, we moved on over to the bar and tried to strike up 
a casual conversation with the bartender.  

The bar closed at 10 P.M.  All that happened is the door was bolted. Everyone 
remained inside.  We managed to spend the evening talking as best we could 
with the bartnder, his wife, and a couple of the customers.  They were buying
us shots of Jagermeister and Underberg.  We were warned about the Underberg, but
would not listen.  We finally stagger out of the bar around 1 and walked back 
down to where we were camped.  We awoke the next afternoon, with two of the 
largest hangovers ever imaginable.  Luckily a head in the next tent over had 
some aspirin. 

Finally, we recovered enough to drive on off to find the Sporthalle.  This 
time, we had little idea of where it was.  We got some general information at 
the camp, but it was off our map.  Somehow, we found it; not only that, but we 
managed to park right infront of it, on the street.  Outside, there was quite 
a vending scene. Many vendors were set up on the walkway to the admission area.  
There were a number of European tour busses parked in a parking lot next to the 
Sporthalle.  A wide range of nationalities was represented outside the arena.  
While standing in line, I meta 20 year old German college student who was there
because she heard that Bruce Hornsby was going to be playing there.  She did 
not know who the Dead were, but she knew who Bruce was and that she liked him.  
Apparently, there was little publicity for the Hamburg show.  It was added 
after Essen, Berlin and Frankfurt, and was somehowleft off of the publicizing 
list.  All of the signs visible mentioned other shows, but not the Hamburg one.
 
   Once inside, I realized how truely small the place was.  It could easily 
have been my high school gym; in fact, I think it was designed by the same 
architect ;-) It was a basketball court with a few bleachers around it.  What 
a great place to seethe Dead.  Another small, intimate venue.  The lights 
finally dimmed and we were greated by Bobby and Feel Like a Stranger.  It was 
during the third song, Little Red Rooster, that I again felt the absence of 
Brent, the Hammond B3 and the Leslie cabinets; his familiar keys and rapport 
with Bobby just wasn't there.  Next followed one of the highlights of the first
set, the underplayed and always welcomed They Love Each Other.  Finishing up 
the short (63 minute) first set was a rocking version of Aiko Aiko which had 
Bruce playing accordian.  This was a great way to end the set instead of the 
overplayed "dough knees" that I was expecting.
 
   The second set featured a scorching 19 minutes of Help on the Way -> 
Slipknot! -> Franklin's Tower as an opener.  This was followed by average 
renditions of Trucking and He's Gone.  He's Gone had a nice fade out, of lights 
and music.  However, it seemed hurried, as if the Boys wanted to get off the 
stage.  It was lakcing the feelings expressed at Madison Square Garden on 
September 16.  It lacked any sort of jam afterwards, where the band would be 
open to musical exploration.  Instead, it was performed and ended.  The song 
could have been taken to new heights if they had tried, but they did not.  
Drumz featured a wild beat that I called the Amazon Drums.  It gave me the 
feeling of being deep in a rain forest, getting lost in the primordal 
wilderness.  Little did I know that the nature theme would be taken further in 
Paris where a number of animal sounds would appear during space.  The second 
set and encore ended after an all too brief 85 minutes.
 
   With this show, the German tour was over;  Essen, Berlin twice, Frankfurt and
Hamburg.  A number of Germans had seen shows for the first time and they also
got on the bus.  We would encounter many Germans for the remaining shows, 
including Chris, a German net-head we met in London standing in front of Tower 
Records, while wearing our net-head shirts.  What a small world.  All in all, 
Germany was quite a fun and friendly place.  Given the chance, I would gladly 
go back again.

Is DB V out yet?

Does anyone have it?

What does it lack that DB '90 has, other than song timings and show reviews
(not important, but it would be nice to show the book to friends and say "I
know that person and that person and that person and..."

thanks,

adam

               <<< Note 61.36 by EZRIDR::SIEGEL "Frank Zappa in '92!" >>>
                            -< I want my (first) Deadbase! >-
    
    Is DB V out yet?
    
    Adam,
    
    DeadBase V is due back from the printer on 9/19. DB V does not have any
    show timings, but does have features like a list of every song played
    and what appeared before and after it, reviews from a variety of shows
    from the early 1960s to 1990, and venue listings. New features for this
    edition include a list of canceled shows that people insist they were
    at (;-)), GarciaBase III and AceBase I, a new feature listing Bob
    Weir-related setlists, plus an odds and ends section that has some
    interesting trivia. I've seen most of the new stuff in draft form and
    this is the most impressive edition to date. The lyric section bit the
    dust for this edition.
    
    Mike

    
    Which Deadbase contains all the set lists from 1965 thru the present?
    
    And also does Deadbase 88,89 or 90 only contain info for that year?
    
    
    
    Thanks,
    Don

    1. V (five 5)
    2. yes

RE:    <<< Note 61.40 by GIAMEM::DMITCHELL "You were listening to a fight.." >>>
                          -< couple of deadbase ?'s >-

    
>    Which Deadbase contains all the set lists from 1965 thru the present?
 

     Deadbase V does (as do III and IV)
   
>    And also does Deadbase 88,89 or 90 only contain info for that year?
    
     Yes. Plus other stuff related to those years that I don't believe appear
     in III, IV or V.   
    
    

  Jim who finally ordered db V

re:    <<< Note 61.40 by GIAMEM::DMITCHELL "You were listening to a fight.." >>>
       
   > Which Deadbase contains all the set lists from 1965 thru the present?
    
    None. Although DBV covers 1965 thru part of 1991.
    
   >And also does Deadbase 88,89 or 90 only contain info for that year?
    
   Yes. Expanded info dealing with specific years.
     
    
    Thanks,
    Don

    

While not a deadbase question per se, I do have a question that sort
of fits in here (and not in the bob and jerr - no discussion note)...

regarding Jerry's band Reconstruction with Garcia, Birch, Kahn, Neumeister,
Merle, and Stallings.  I seem to recollect that there was alot of mislabeling
going on with one or two of those tapes.  Of course,  I didn't save the 
notes and may have dreamed all of this up.

Specifically the one labeled June 8th, 1979.  Mine is labeled as The Rio 
Theatre in Rodeo, CA.  Garcia Base II (in deadbase 88 or 89) said that this
date was actually at The Rheem Theatre in Orinda, CA.  The tape contents
don't jive with the setlist Garcia Base II gives.....so I would think that
this tape is not from the 8th of June 1979.  anyone one know about this?

thanks,
bob

   

    It's that time of year again--DeadBase survey time!
    
    There are three parts to this year's survey. Part 1 is Feedback '91,
    which is devoted to shows from 1991 and the results will appear in 
    DeadBase '91. This part of the survey has to be returned by 1/31.
    
    Part 2 is a general demographic survey to learn more about the DeadBase
    audience in general. Part 3 is for feedback to be included in DeadBase
    VI. These parts of the survey do not have to be returned until 2/28.
    
    If you want to fill these out, send me mail with your mailstop and I'll
    mail you a copy.
    
    Mike

Deadbase '91 is out and about...

Got mine yesteray. Apparently they had to chuck the entire print run and
reprint the things cause the bindings were all warped, hence the delay, though
I don't think any year book has ever made it out any earlier anyways?? 

Looks like a lot of fun: No Dechead interviews that I could see, tho, but Ger,
your friend Elspeth had a few interviews published there. 

Fog

Finally getting of my butt and getting a deadbase, dammit.  8^)

Question, do I send a personal check with my order??  What goes in the little 
"pay to the order of" section of my check??

Scott

Scott, I moved your note from 60.


Personal check o.k., make it out to: "Deadbase".


fog

Re:    <<< Note 61.72 by MR4DEC::WENTZELL "IfMusicBeTheFoodOfLove,PlayOn!!!" >>>

>What goes in the little "pay to the order of" section of my check??

	Lisa S. Yetto!!!    :-)

	>Lisa S. Yetto!!!    :-)

If I just write LS will that be ok??  ;^)

Scott

That'll be fine Scott.  I also accept cash, in case you'd like to 
save the check.  ;^)

    	Deadbase VI is out, got my copy over the weekend. It was sequence
    number 86. The usual fine work.
    
    

Deadbase VII is out. The cover art is marvelous: no more monochromatic
mac-based mush: The front color is a wash of purple hue with a
computer-generated parrot flying over some computer-generated flames on a
backround of multi-color rays, reel-to-reel tapes and green stars. It would
make a great cereal box: Deadbaseios?  :-) 

The back cover is much nicer: a wash of color from puple to green and a
large Deadbase reel-to-reel/ying-yang symbol with a phoenix-type
computer-generated bird rising out of it. Same backround features as the
front, but without the little reel-to-reel tapes. Very nice! This is all on
the hard cover. I have no idea if the soft cover copy is full color as well. 

DeadBase VII includes Garciabase and Wierbase, and an updated Lyric
analysis ala DeadBase IV, along with the usual stuff. The Basic Statistics
and Discocgraphy didn't make it in this year. 

What is the "Basic Statistics"?   I'm thinking maybe they are the list of each
performance of each song?  Or a list of songs performed each year, with
frequency of performance?  I want to buy Deadbase, but I'd like to see these
stats in the book.

thanks,

adam

>Or a list of songs performed each year, with
>frequency of performance?  I want to buy Deadbase, but I'd like to see these
>stats in the book.

Yes, the section first lists the total number of known shows, the total
number of known songs played (31,595 through 1992!), total different songs,
a list of the most oft-played songs in descending order, and then a
descending list of states played and how often. Following is the same stats
repeated for each year, including descending order lists of set openers,
closers, into drums, outta drums, and encores. 

You'll never see all the stats in a single deadbase: there's just too much 
to get into one book anymore, so what you'll see is these features rotate 
from year to year, with new features every once inna while. A lot of folks 
consider Deadbase IV to be pretty complete, but there are like a hundred more 
known setlists in VII than there are in IV. 

	anyone here have a Deadbase handy?

	last night Guntis was cleaning up under a bureau or in a drawer
	or something and came across a couple of unmarked tapes.

	one was of, I think, my 2 daughters at a VERY young age singing
	songs together and the other was a Dead show.

	He said that we recorded it - but I really couldn't believe that
	we ever did that.  Guess we did though ;-)

	It is -very- poor quality, but I kinda like it cause I can hear
	my reactions ;-) to different songs.

	Since the 2 tapes were together, I'm guessing it's from the
	mid 80's.  It has "Revolution" on it - so that might make it
	real easy to figure out the date.  I'm guessing October 9,
	in Worcester, because that's John Lennon's birthday and they
	seemed to play in Worcester around my birthday in the 80's.

	thanks for any info!
	Debess

    Debess, YUP, they played the Centrum Oct-9-84, Lennon's birthday, with
    Revolution as the encore...I remember when they broke into the encore,
    I couldn't recognize what they were singing at first (we were behind
    the stage, way up at that point) and then I realized it was Revolution
    for Johny...I was PSYCHED...
    
    check out this show. 'speshlee 2nd set...
    
Wes

     10/9/84             WORCESTER CENTRUM                         TUESDAY
        1: Dancin, FOTD, Me & My Uncle> Mexicali, Althea, Esau, Big RxR Blues,
           Let It Grow
        2: Help> Slipknot>Franklin's>Jack Straw, He's Gone>Smokestack Lightning,
           Drumz> Wheel> Throwing Stones> Stella Blue> Around> Johny B. Goode
           E: Revolution

    
    Hot setlist!

	ask and ye shall receive!!  Thanks Wes.

	I musta got a recorder as a birthday present - and then a 
	Dead show as frosting on the cake ;-)

	Debess

re: 10/9/84

That must've been one of the last Help->Slip->Franklin's before retiring it
until 1989.  I know the last one was in 1984 sometime.

adam

     That was my first Help>slip>franklin's...that WAS a grate show..
    
                :-)  :-)  :-)

    and I think it was the first Smokestack in a looong time too...
    da ve could check his Deadbas (now that he has it back!) thanx again,
    Mr. West :)))

    i could if i had it here at work...  unfortuntely it's at home!
    
    				da ve

  Hey now...  Deadbase X is due out in June or July.

  Someone in rec.music.gdead phoned up to check and was told this.
  'Course they've been known to miss a deadline or three.
  There was a mention of rare photos in the newgroup post, no details.  - JayC.

	I've not ever owned a Deadbase before - only seen one or maybe two...
	now that it will truly be complete :-( I will get a copy of #X.

    can you get amendments to previous deadbases?
    
    might as well just hunker down and get the complete one

Last time I checked you could get yearly updates for deadbase.
But as far as completeness goes - I'd be willing to bet there'll
be future and more complete editions (just to fill in missing
early setlists or update partial setlists....)

btw all my info is old, I haven't bought a complete one since 88
(would that be Dbase III?) and the 89 or 90 update :)

Go here for accurate info:

	http://www.deadbase.com/

bob

>	http://www.deadbase.com/

  Had a look over lunch...  The Deadbase site has come a long way!  I don't
  remember being able to access all this info the last time I tried.

  As far as the latest Hottest Tapes tally (Feedback #2), the following
  shows seem to be rising in tapers' estimations ...

        11/8/69 Fillmore East  (??)
        2/11/70 Fillmore East  (show before DP4 & Bear's Choice shows)
        5/26/72 Strand Lyceum  (over Rotterdam among Europe '72 shows)
        6/26/74 Providence    (?? falls between 6/18/74 Louisville & 6/28/74 BG)
        5/7/77  Boston Garden  (pre Cornell, finally looms larger than Buffalo)
        6/16/85 Greek          (over 11/1 Richmond & other '85s)
        3/24/90 best of the Dozin' at the Knick shows

  I wouldn't be surprised to see the best (middle) show of the Alexandria
  run (DP7) become a hot ticket as well -- I'd like to hear the China
  Cat>Rider, Peggy-O, Loser, and Dire Wolf from that show myself.   - JayC.

  Statistical breakdown (mama):  how the "Hot Tapes" list for Deadbase X
  will probably shape up, based on the current web page... - JayC.
=========================================================================
PRIMAL DEAD:
 03-01-69  Fillmore West

 02-13-70  Fillmore East
 05-02-70  Harpur College Binghamton NY

 02-18-71  Port Chester NY
 04-28-71  Fillmore East
 04-29-71  Fillmore East

 05-26-72  Strand Lyceum London
 08-27-72  Veneta OR

 02-09-73  Stanford CA
 05-26-73  Kezar Stadium SF

 06-18-74  Freedom Hall Louisville KY
 06-28-74  Boston Garden
 10-19-74  Winterland SF

MORE PRIMAL: 02-28-69 Fillmore West, 02-11-70 Fillmore East,
 02-14-70 Fillmore East, 05-15-70 Fillmore East, 05-11-72 Rotterdam,
 02-15-73 Madison WI, 06-10-73 R.F.K. Stadium DC, 11-11-73 Winterland SF,
 12-02-73 Boston Music Hall, 06-26-74 Providence, 10-18-74 Winterland SF,
 08-13-75 G.A.M.H. SF, 06-29-76 Chicago

CRISPY DEAD:
 02-26-77  Swing Auditorium San Bernadino CA
 05-07-77  Boston Garden
 05-08-77  Cornell NY
 05-09-77  Buffalo
 09-03-77  Englishtown NJ

 07-08-78  Red Rocks CO

 10-27-79  Cape Cod MA

MORE CRISPY: 05-19-77 Fox Theatre Atlanta GA, 06-09-77 Winterland SF,
 10-29-77 DeKalb IL, 11-06-77 Binghamton NY, 12-31-78 Winterland SF,
 12-26-79 Oakland Coliseum

LATTER DEAD:
 10-09-89  Hampton VA

 09-10-91  M.S.G. NY
 10-31-91  Oakland Coliseum

MORE LATTER: 06-15-85 Greek Theatre Berkeley CA, 06-16-85 Greek Theatre,
 11-01-85 Richmond VA, 10-16-89 Meadowlands NJ, 03-24-90 Knickerbocker NY,
 07-16-90 Rich Stadium NY, 09-19-90 M.S.G. NY, 03-24-93 Chapel Hill NC,
 08-22-93 Autzen Stadium Eugene OR, 10-01-94 Boston Garden
=========================================================================

  I sent off an analysis of Deadbase Feedbacks (post-IX, pre-X) to non-DEC
  traders and it came back with some improvements:
  
  Fewer main entries, providing better focus for relative newbies among us.

  More See Also entries for better inclusiveness and continuity (we expect
  items like 02-14-68 and 03-24-90 to make a comeback in time for edition X).

    Fwiw, Ymmv...  - JayC.

CONSENSUS THEORETICAL MINI-VAULT
--------------------------------
Updated 3/97 for Deadbase Feedbacks 1 & 2.

PRIMAL DEAD:
 03-01-69  Fillmore West

 02-13-70  Fillmore East
 05-02-70  HarpurC Binghamton NY

 04-29-71  Fillmore East

 05-26-72  Strand Lyceum London
 08-27-72  Veneta OR

 02-09-73  Stanford CA
 05-26-73  Kezar Stadium SF

 06-18-74  FreedomH Louisville KY
 06-28-74  Boston Garden
 10-19-74  Winterland SF

ALSO: 02-14-68 Carousel SF, 02-28-69 Fillmore West, 11-08-69 Fillmore West,
 02-11-70 Fillmore East, 02-14-70 Fillmore East, 05-15-70 Fillmore East,
 02-18-71 Port Chester NY, 04-28-71 Fillmore East, 05-11-72 Rotterdam,
 02-15-73 Madison WI, 06-10-73 RFK DC, 11-11-73 Winterland SF,
 12-02-73 Boston Music Hall, 02-24-74 Winterland SF, 06-26-74 Providence,
 10-18-74 Winterland SF

CRISPY DEAD:
 05-08-77  Cornell NY
 05-09-77  Buffalo

 07-08-78  Red Rocks CO

 10-27-79  Cape Cod MA

ALSO: 08-13-75 Great American SF, 06-29-76 Chicago,
 02-26-77 SwingA San Bernadino CA, 05-07-77 Boston Garden,
 05-19-77 Fox Theater Atlanta, 06-09-77 Winterland SF,
 09-03-77 Englishtown NJ, 10-29-77 DeKalb IL, 11-06-77 Binghamton NY,
 12-31-78 Winterland SF, 12-26-79 Oakland Coliseum

LATTER DEAD:
 10-09-89  Hampton VA

 09-10-91  MSG NY
 10-31-91  Oakland Coliseum

ALSO: 06-14-85/06-15-85/06-16-85 GreekT Berkeley CA, 11-01-85 Richmond VA,
 10-16-89 Meadowlands NJ, 03-24-90 Knickerbocker NY,
 03-29-90 Nassau Coliseum NY, 07-16-90 Rich Stadium NY, 09-19-90 MSG NY,
 09-26-91 Boston Garden, 03-24-93 Chapel Hill NC,
 08-22-93 AutzenS Eugene OR, 10-01-94 Boston Garden