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Conference msgaxp::optical

Title:Optical Products
Moderator:TAPE::SENEKER
Created:Wed May 04 1988
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:841
Total number of notes:3218

841.0. "RW531 mount verification" by NNTPD::"[email protected]" (Alessio Pier Giorgio) Mon Jun 02 1997 13:40

Hello everybody,
i have a customer with the following configuration:

a Vax Cluster with two CI nodes (Vax'es 6000) VMS 5.5-2 and a Microvax 3100,
Open VMS 6.2, OSMS 3.3-1 serving via MSCP a juke box RW531 (64 platters)
connected on a local SCSI bus.
All the platters are mounted by both the CI cluster nodes, and just served by
the Microvax.

In case of shutdown and reboot of Microvax 3100, just doing a "dir" command on
a JB device all of them go into a Mount Verify Mounted state and one by one
back in Mount state, then ciclically in Mount Verify again and so on for about
one hour and half before having the output of the "dir" command.

Can i have an explanation about this?
Is this a valid configuration?

                               Thanks and Regards.

                                                                 Pier Giorgio
Alessio


  
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841.1more information please...TAPE::SENEKERwhich way to go?Tue Jun 03 1997 10:5813
    Your configuration is valid.
    
    The actions of the system do not appear unusual in action. But with
    the information provided I cannot tell if the length of time these
    actions take is unusual.  I have a few questions.
    
    o What is the MINSWAP value after the reboot?
    o When you say shutdown/reboot do you mean crash/reboot, i.e. why
      didn't the JB devices get dismounted?
    o Were are you doing the directory command from?
    o How long is it taking to get all the JB devices remounted?
    
    Rob
841.2LEFTY::CWILLIAMSCD or not CD, that's the questionTue Jun 03 1997 11:2811
    Actually, a mixed cluster with V5.5-2 and V6.2 is not recommended as
    anything other than a transition from 5.5-2 to all 6.2.
    
    I would not call this a legal configuration, nor is Ovms engineering
    likely to like it. 
    
    I would expect it to work, however... Changes in the MSCP server, etc,
    may be causing the problems. 
    
    Chris
    
841.3good thing about notes, multiple eyesTAPE::SENEKERwhich way to go?Tue Jun 03 1997 14:375
    Chris, thanks for pointing out the 5.5-2/6.2 mix, my mistake.
    Alessio, can the customer upgrade the cluster to a supported mix
    of OpenVMS versions?
    
    Rob
841.4sounds like...CSC32::S_WASKEWICZTue Jun 03 1997 14:437
    
    Sounds just like the problem that OSMSAE1034 fixed, doesn't it?
    But its especially for Alpha 6.2/OSMS 3.4, I believe.
    
    Steve
    
    Alias CSCPAT_2222
841.5TAPE::SENEKERwhich way to go?Tue Jun 03 1997 16:465
    Similar sounding yes, but during the testing of the OSMSAE1034 problem
    nothing was found on the VAX side, i.e. VAXen would not generate the
    I/O that was causing the swapping, only ALphas.
    
    Rob
841.6More info hereTOSSUB::ALESSIOWed Jun 04 1997 15:5225
    Hello everybody and thank for the replies,
    
    i try to give you more informations:
    
    - After reboot MINSWAP is 15 seconds.
    
    - The customer has done some shutdown and reboot of the MicroVax 3100
      serving the juke box without dismounting the disks on the cluster
      nodes using them (no crash has occurred) in order to simulate
      some critical condition to his application.
    
    - The "directory" command was issued on the CI nodes; the MV 3100
      does't mount the JB devices, it just serves them via MSCP.
    
    - The normal mount of JB devices takes about 30 minutes.
    
    - The customer has a DB application that needs to run with VMS 5.5-2 on
      the CI nodes in the cluster, on the MV3100 Open VMS 6.2 and OSMS
      3.3-1 are needed to support RW531; OSMS version 3.4 was not installed
      because it doesn't support MV 3100/10.
    
    			Best regards
    
    					Pier Giorgio Alessio
       
841.7some ideasTAPE::SENEKERwhich way to go?Thu Jun 05 1997 12:4922
    This is what I think is happening.
    
    o Shutdown 3100 - all disks go into Mverify on CI nodes.
    o Reboot 3100 and restarts mounts, all disks must go through mount
      rebuild
    o CI nodes have I/O issued to volumes in Mverify "DIR" so that I/O
      is stalled until the Mverify completes.  The mounts on the 3100
      are forcing swaps which may delay completion of some Mverify
      operations.
    o After all JB devices complete Mverify on a CI node the DIR I/O is
      started.  If some volumes are still mounting on 3100 then additional
      delays may be caused.
    o Due to the constant swapping caused by all volumes being remounted
      and Mverify I/O the jukebox I/O throughput is poor causing the total
      time to be an 1� hours.
    
    If this is a test, try one test with MINSWAP=5 and another with
    MINSWAP=30.  After the system has recovered you can reset MINSWAP to
    the normal value.  I think the best performance will be with MINSWAP
    set to 5 during the recovery period.
    
    Rob