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    I've looked for this release for quite some time with no luck.
    This is one of my all-time favorites. As a matter of fact, Johnny
    Winter And was the first real rock concert I ever went to (with 
    Foghat as backup at the Boston Music Hall). There was also a Jouhny
    and Edgar Together album that was awesome (the ultimate version of
    "You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling").
    
    /Billy_K
    

    You might try the CD notesfile.  

> Does anyone know if the album 'Johnny Winter And' came out on CD yet?

  No, it's not on CD (according to the Summer '93 Schwann/Spectrum).  Right
  now, it's only available on cassette.   - Jay

re .-*

thanks... I'll look for the cassette and be patient for a while until
the CD becomes available (it's bound to isn't it...)

The first one who sees it, makes a reply here? (I've put an alarm on this
note!)

Dirk

    I've never *seen* the CD in record shops either but it's listed in
    the jpc catalogue (jpc is a German mail order company). Oddly enough,
    the CD is not from CBS/Sony but from "Beat Goes On Records" - never
    heard of this label.
    
    Greetings from Munich,
    Rainer                

re .-1

Hi Rainer...

>    I've never *seen* the CD in record shops either but it's listed in
>    the jpc catalogue (jpc is a German mail order company).

Could you post JPC's address so I can write or call them???
That would be GREAT news! (You're sure that is not 'Johnny Winter And Live'?)
Thanks in adv and greetings from Brussels
Dirk

    Dirk,
    
    sorry I have to disappoint you - according to their T&C's, jpc does
    not deliver into foreign countries.
    
    The catalogue lists also the tracks: Guess I'll go away; Ain't that a
    kindness; No time to love; Rock and Roll Hoochie Koo; Am I here;
    Look up; Prodigal son; On the limb; Let the music play; Nothing left;
    Funky music. Is it this what you're looking for?
    
    If you have the chance to come to Germany: jpc has also stores in
    some cities e.g. M�nster, Bremen, Hamburg. 
    
    I never ordered from jpc but if you see no chance to get hold of the
    CD, I would mail-order it and then send it to you. 
    
    Rainer_loves_his_namesake_too  

re .-1

>    The catalogue lists also the tracks: Guess I'll go away; Ain't that a
>    kindness; No time to love; Rock and Roll Hoochie Koo; Am I here;
>    Look up; Prodigal son; On the limb; Let the music play; Nothing left;
>    Funky music. Is it this what you're looking for?

Yes yes... that's it!!!    

Do they perhaps have a store in Aachen or K�ln? those cities are closest
to where I live and I hear SATURN in K�ln is open on the first saturday
of each month and they have a HUGE collection of CD's...
If not, maybe you could order and send it over (let's mail about that then:
I don't think the rest of the world will be interested in our correspondence)

Mind you: I still have to buy a CD-player (could do that at Saturn next
saturday)...

Dirk

    No jpc shops in Aix and Cologne...Yes, stores are open every first
    Saturday till 4 pm (fall/winter till 6 pm). Saturn claims to have the
    widest CD choice in whole Europe. Don't know whether thats true, in
    any case you'll find *many* more CD's you *must* have, than your
    budget allows. 
    
    Though I did not see "And" at Saturn in Munich, you could be successful
    in Cologne. If not, e-mail me and I'll try jpc.
    
    Rainer Winter @rto  

Guess what...

I found 'Johnny Winter And' yesterday in Antwerp!
It was in the Blues rack: I should have known: JW is a white blues giant
and that's where I should have looked in the first place, although this
particular record isn't blues at all... what's in a style anyway...

Ciao and thanks to all.
Dirk

As promised to Rainer, here's a quick review of the CD (Johnny Winter And).

                                  Written yesterday evening at home and quickly
                                      typed in today during my coffee break ;-)

I listened to JWA carefully and it is exactly the same as the vinyl, except
for the numerous scratches and hiss and noise on the latter of course.
It surely stood the test of time (23 years!).

- Overall sound and atmosphere is really dirty, funky, nasty, mean...
  I can't say that this is rock and roll, or rock, or blues, or whatever.
  You can't put a style on it.
- Both JW and RD do excellent and intense singing.
  Sometimes JW is just at the fringe of being out of tune. Very typical
  of him, very honest, very good!
- The bass & drums on all the songs is simple (1970!) but very much to
  the point.
- I think Edgar Winter (producer) plays piano in the background on some
  tracks.
- As I said before in (.0), the guitar interplay between Johnny Winter and
  Rick Derringer is absolutely marvelous.
  I never can tell who's playing what. Normally JW plays lead and rhythm
  guitar and RD is a born rhythm guitarist, but it's very hard to tell the
  difference: lead transforms into rhythm and vice versa all the time.
  Sometimes there are two leads, sometimes two rhythms. It's really hard to
  keep them apart and to know who plays what. In fact, trying to do so is
  great fun: I've been doing it for 23 years now. If anyone can tell me
  who's playing what on which part of which song, PLEASE DON'T as it would
  spoil everything!!! Or better, just tell me that you can, and I'll think
  about getting informed...
  It's a like piano playing: try to play only the right or left hand part
  of a piano piece: they both sound empty when separated, but put them
  together and the piece jumps into existence! After all a guitar has 6
  strings and a hand has 5 fingers. Putting 2 guitars together is like
  putting the 2 hands of a piano together. I think this record is an
  excellent example of this phenomenon.

Track list is:

	Guess I'll Go Away
	Ain't That a Kindness?
	No Time To Live		  ! not To 'Love' as you wrote, Rainer ;-)
	Rock and Roll Hoochie Koo
	Am I Here?
	Look Up
	Prodigal Son
	On The Limb
	Let The Music Play
	Nothing Left
	Funky Music

Go and find it... it's a MUST!

Dirk

    I've been aware of Johnny Winter for years (also Edgar Winter), but
    except for noticing their unusual physical appearance, I never paid any
    attention to them or their music.  However, I recently bought the Bob
    Dylan 30th Anniversary Celebration video and have fallen in love with
    Johnny Winter's performance.  He does a cover of Highway 61.  I just
    love the way he plays the guitar and can't believe I never paid enough
    attention to him before to realize I would like him.  So, I have
    decided that I need to buy an album.  Can anyone suggest a good Johnny
    Winter album to start with?  Is "Johnny Winter And" which is mentioned
    previously in this topic the best?
    
    Lorna
    

    
    Lorna,
    
    I have an LP titled 'Johnny Winter' from '69 which I consider very
    good, and a 2LP (of which one LP has a blank side!) titled 'Second
    Winter', also from '69, also good. I think these are his first and
    they are in fact legendaric. If you can find them on CD, then I'll
    promise you'll fly ;-).
    
    Poul
    

    Re: .12
    
    "Highway 61 Revisited" is on "Second Winter".
    
    "Johnny Winter And" is a good place to start except it's hard to find
    these days (witness earlier replies).  I'd suggest "Still Alive and
    Well" myself (not sure if that is on CD either!).
    
    While his first Columbia album is largely blues, most of his stay on
    that label is rock and roll ("Nothing But The Blues" is another
    exception), then when he went off to record for other labels (Alligator,
    MCA, PointBlank), he'd gone back to a blues approach (though he's not
    very "traditional" as viewed by blues fans). 
    
    							Brian

    Lorna, try "Let Me In".  It's his next to most recent release, out
    about 3 years ago.  This has a good balance of both JW's bluesier and 
    rockier sides and would be a great introduction; it's also one of
    his most listenable albums imo.  The most recent "Hey Where's Your
    Brother?" is in a similar vein, but I think I'd choose the other first.
    "Johnny Winter And" was released circa 1970 and is a bit more on the
    rock side; a great album, but probably not the best intro.
    
    /rick

>    "Highway 61 Revisited" is on "Second Winter".

  Yeah, given that "JW And" is hard to find...  Go with "Second Winter".  It
  has the Dylan cover, his original cover of "Johnny B. Goode", and several
  other good cuts.  And what used to be a 3-sided LP makes a reasonably
  generous CD.   - Jay

    
    	I agree with Rick C - "Let Me In".  Either that or JW And Live".
    	Johnny is alot like Springsteen where his studio albums are
    	nothing like live.  Still Alive and Well is great too.
    
    	And I agree, his performance on the Dylan tribute was killer.
    	Talk about blues slide guitar...
    
    	"Let Me In" has a song called "Illustrated Man" and you can see
    	he's just that with all the tatoos.  "Hey You" is a riot.  He
    	screams "Hey You" and the band replies "Who Me?"  That's most
    	of the words (Edd should like this one ;^)
    
    	Rock and Roooooooolll....
    
    

Lorna...

There is also "The Progressive Blues Experiment". I haven't checked, but
I think it's the very first record JW ever made. If I recall well, there
is a very good version of 'Black Cat Bone' on it. Haven't played that
one for a while: too busy with Zappa!

Most CD versions are available in the good shops. You can always ask the
shop people to order them. Just ask them what they can find.

My opinion: "Johnny Winter And" and "Second Winter" are the best!

Dirk

    Thanks for all the suggestions!
    
    I bought "Let Me In" over the weekend and like it.  
    
    Also, a friend of mine has "Guitar Slinger" and I like that even more
    but haven't found it in a store yet.
    
    Lorna