Conference mr1pst::music

    I don't listen to radio at home...I listen to some, not much in the
    truck...but it is Never BCN....if I'm gonna listen to radio, I want to
    hear music, not those guys on BCN....it's too bad too, I used to listen
    to BCN Faithfully (that's been years, actually) but I can't get past
    their egos and endless talking...
    
    PLAY MUSIC

    Ditto - for me ERS, ZBC, GBH, FNX seem to fit the bill when a
    tape isn't queued up. I tried Howard once, he was ragging on
    John Silber's arm. I found this brief listen rather trite and
    tasteless. What's the appeal? 
    
    Jim C.
    
    

    My take on the BCN switch to Howard is that after the "Bradley J Sex
    Palace" fiasco, they were trying to remain as shocking & controversial
    as possible without taking any more risks. So they bought a syndicated
    (better protection from lawsuits) show & pasted it over Bradley's time
    slot (& a lot of others).
    The first time I heard HS (several years ago) he had Eddie Van Halen as
    his guest, & all he talked about was sex, groupies, decadence on the
    road, etc. which I found really annoying. I'd have been much more
    interested in hearing Eddie talk about whatever he was up to with his
    music. I like Howard's TV show (sometimes) because the pace is much
    better.
    Recently he had Debbie Gibson on BCN, & he tried all sorts of cheap
    ploys to get her to talk about ... Are you still a virgin ? ... How old
    were you when you first did it ? ... etc. ad nauseam & she just
    wouldn't get into it. He even got her mother on the phone & she handled
    the situation well too. 
    Howard Stern is no idiot, he says a lot of things that should be said
    on the radio/TV & he pushes the envelope of the medium, but when he
    gets into his improvised ragging ruts (Silber's arm, his own wife,
    Rodney King...) I gotta turn him off.
    I have one of my car radio buttons on BCN, but I don't press it nearly
    as often as I used to. *Everybody* on that station is a "personality",
    but most of these people are no longer focusing that "personality" on
    the music. I find the birthday wake up calls really annoying as well,
    most of the time they're not funny or entertaining. (I don't even know
    if they still do these. I think it was Charles L.)
    
    Paul

    As usual, *someone* must like it because those guys check their ratings
    *very* carefully when Arbitron publishes them and BCN is still strong
    in the market.  Of course, since the ads are for things like fax
    machines, car phones, business travel, etc. I somehow think that it
    aint exactly a headbanger's station any more.
    
    As far as HS and the Sex Palace, face it, a lotta people eat this stuff
    up.  My brother-in-law, who is college educated, father of two kids and
    a bigwig at some chemical company, has been listening to Howard for
    years and thinks he is just a riot.  Oh well...I think it's not just
    stupid, it's actually very tasteless and dangerous.  But so what, this
    is a world that also has pro wrestling and Andrew Dice Clay taking on
    Joey Buttafouco as a partner (OK, who thinks that a guy who's tricking
    a teenaged girl into murdering his wife would make a good comedian?). 
    As a father of two daughters I am a bit worried.
    
    And don't think that any other commerical station wouldn't jump on
    that format in a second if they thought they could shoot to #1 in the
    ratings.  FNX is just as bad with that bullsh*t "cutting edge" crapola
    and their frigging "wine report", screw that, gimme a quart of Night
    Train Express, thank you.  Go listen to ZBC if you *really* want the
    cutting edge.
    
    If they run commercials they're evil, that's the way I look at it. 8^) 
    8^)  I'm sick of being treated like Pavlov's Dog, you know "crank up
    some Zeppelin and then we'll be able to trick him into shopping at
    Jordan's furniture".  I contribute to public radio because it's worth a
    few bucks to get to hear some real music.  They should sell special FM
    radios that stop at 92Mhz so I don't have to be tempted.  
    
    Hey, you can probably tell I have some strong feelings about radio  8^) 
    8^).
    
    						Murray the J

    Hey Murray the J. I love it. My opinion of radio these days is very
    similiar. I do channel surf and yes FNX does play some interesting
    stuff now and then. They are sounding more like an "alternative" BCN
    lately. ZBC has been on my dial for years. Back in the late 70's and
    early 80's it was about the best alternative to the main stream. One
    of the only stations where I could here Mission of Burma.
    
    GBH and ERS get a lot of airtime as well. But, when opera time or
    broadway show music shows are on it's time to surf or queue up a
    tape. BTW - This is mainly in my car. At home I'm purely a CD/TAPE
    listener.
    
    Jim C.
    

    I ***love*** WBCN and Howard Stern!!!  BCN's morning show is great,
    and I just thinki HS is a riot!  At first, his humor rubbed me the 
    wrong way, but you have to listen to it for a while to get into it,
    as he uses a long of 'inside' (and long running) jokes.
    
    As far as BCN's music selection goes -- I guess I'd rather listen to
    stuff like David Bowie and J Geils as opposed to the HM crap that AAF
    is touting.
    
    Speaking of AAF, I absolutly canNOT stand their homophobic and
    misogynistic attitudes!!  Maybe that crap is funny to 16-year-old
    high school boys, but not to me!  And people rag on HS...

    I listen to BCN too, but the point is NOT FOR MUSIC.
    
    They are ABSOLUTELY NOT the "Rock of Boston" anymore. They are the
    "Talk of Boston" now.  That's fine - I like to listen to that now and
    then, but my sense of "truth in advertising" faults them for claiming
    to be a "music-radio" station.
    
    They are a station of talk personalities who now and then play music
    when they need to catch their breath from talking about who they are.

    Re - all
    
    	Well, now that I *finally* went out and got a CD player for the
    car, I don't have to deal with the radio wasteland anymore - except
    for traffic, of course ;-)
    
    					Jim
    

    Howard Stern dangerous?  You must be kidding.  Pat Robertson,
    now there's a dangerous guy.

    The guy's a laugh riot.  Try taking him a little less seriously.  ;-)

    [Seriously, tho, he does take a little getting used to.  Most
    everybody doesn't like him at first - neither did I.  But I soon
    figured out that that's the whole point of the show.  And the
    guy definitely has a gift for humor.]

    But I have pretty strange tastes anyway...  ;-)

    hey..... by the way what is the frequency for CZB OR ZBC OR CBZ
    or....???
    
    

To me, WBCN symbolizes the best and the worst of FM radio.

In the 60's, I was a devoted listener. The DJs used to trip on the
air. It was wonderfully strange and unpredictable. They used to play
looooong album cuts that no other stations would play.

In the 70's, I started to get disillusioned with the commercialism and
eogmania. I remember calling up the station several times and trying
to convince some jerk not to talk over the applause at the end of the
Basement Tapes. He told me that every second of radio time was
valuable. I asked him why he spent so much valuable time jabbering
about nothing when he could be playing more commercials.

What kept me listening was that the DJs still had fun on the air. I
really enjoyed it when they segued drum solos together. You could be
listening to In Memory of Elizabeth Reed but the drum solo goes into
Do What You Like. "Blind Faith? Wasn't I listening to the Allman Bros?
Is someone messing with my mind?"

In the 80's, I gave up. Charles and Ken spent the entire morning
making fun of the port wine stain on Gorbachev's head. That was it for
me. I'd grown up. They hadn't. It was time to hit the seek button.

Barry

    >Howard Stern dangerous?  You must be kidding.  Pat Robertson,
    >now there's a dangerous guy.
    >The guy's a laugh riot.  Try taking him a little less seriously.  ;-)
    
    Well, I suspect you are white and male.
    
    Imagine you are one of the following:
    
    	female
    	black
    	Hispanic
    	gay
    
    Now, you might not find him so funny.  
    
    							Brian

    Maybe Howard cound have Pat Robertson as a guest !
    
    WZBC-FM is somewhere in the 90's or 91's. My car radio comes in like
    dog sh*t, so I usually can't get it. I'm replacing my car this week
    though. I believe WZBC also has an AM sister station that's listenable
    but not like the FM one, around 1550.
    
    I'd much rather listen to HM (heavy metal ?) than recycled MOR "rock"
    like Creedence Clearwater Revival, Elton John or even the same 3 or 4
    U2 tunes. These are all great musical acts, but to me, it ain't "rock".
    
    If you think the "personalities" on WBCN are a waste, check out WAAF. I
    don't know what their collective "point of view" (homophobic,
    misogynistic, or whatever) is, but they scrape bottom entirely too
    often for my (sensitive ;-) tastes. These stations each have an hour or
    two a week where they feature local stuff or hard core "HM" otherwise
    they're doing nothing of interest.
    
    I think a little epoxy is all you need to keep from tuning above 92.
    
    Paul

    
    Well it just goes to show you...  nothing beats competition.  And 'BCN
    has none anymore.
    
    Sure, there's stations people have switched to, but they all go for a
    different musical target:  WAAF (heavy metal, no matter what they
    claim), WZLX (classic rock - if only they'd go do deep cuts they
    might win some of is '70's fans over), WFNX (alternative - a silly
    name these days, they rotate 40 songs like everyone else, but they're
    the so-called underground songs, so that's different).
    
    Back in the 70's, and even into the 80's, WBCN had to fight for its
    share.  WCOZ was "kickin' ass" (as their oft-repeated tag line
    claimed), WBRU (now the intelligent man's 'FNX) was playing the most
    assorted playlist this side of Pluto (they'd follow the Buzzocks
    by the Ozark Mountain Daredevils by the Doors - they just didn't 
    pander back then), and 'AAF has joined forces with the 16-year old
    Hampton Beach circuit.
    
    Back then the 'BCN personalities didn't even bother me - in fact, they
    added to the station.  Matt Seigel was the coolest lunchtime dj,
    Charles split off into Duane Ingalls Glasscock and had me rolling,
    Bomber LeClair (sp?), Kathryn Lauren (excellent!)...  I miss that
    station.
    
    They've all gotten a little smug over there at 104.1.  And Howard
    Stern?  Man...  I can't believe Charles (Mr. Liberal!) even let that 
    pass.  I'll tell you, its a testament to his clout that Stern is
    played in the morning everywhere in the USA *except* Boston.  These
    dj's - I think they all have potential.  They just got complacent.
    
    I'd love to see a WCOZ come along and boot 'em back into high gear.
    
    - Sean
    
    P.S.  Only Charles (much as I hate his rantings and ravings) would
          play the full length version of InAGaddaDaVida during drive
          time.  It's moments like that that keep me coming back to WBCN.
          And the fact that (amongst all the $#@%#$! commercials, they
          still have the best playlist).
    

    >>Howard Stern dangerous?  You must be kidding.  Pat Robertson,
    >>now there's a dangerous guy.
    >>The guy's a laugh riot.  Try taking him a little less seriously.  ;-)
    
    >Well, I suspect you are white and male.
    
    >Imagine you are one of the following:
    
    >	female
    >	black
    >	Hispanic
    >	gay
    
   > Now, you might not find him so funny.  
    
    Gay people certainly must find Pat Robertson a lot more fearful
    than Howard Stern.  Stern makes jokes, Robertson challenges their
    very rights.
    
    And frankly, I think Robertson is also more of a threat [than Stern]
    to women, blacks and hispanics as well.
    
    	db

    Good guess, I am not a black hispanic gay female.  However, I
    would question your presumption about my tastes in that case.

    I also think you are suggesting that I am prejudiced or 
    (at best) insensitive to minorities.  Bad guess there.

    I do like my humor a bit on the outrageous side, though.  

    Re: .15
    
    Pat Robertson aint high on my list either.  But at least he doesn't
    claim to be doing *comedy*.  And saying Stern is "less dangerous" than
    Robertson doesn't mean Stern isn't dangerous at all.
    
    Re: .16
    
    In no way would I suggest that you are prejudiced or insensitive to
    minorities. I meant that you might find it less funny when you are the
    butt of the joke. 
    
    							Brian

    > Pat Robertson aint high on my list either.  But at least he doesn't
    > claim to be doing *comedy*.
    
    True, but at least STERN doesn't promote himself as a paragon and
    champion of moral values.  Point being: Stern should be MUCH LOWER on
    your list.
    
    One thing you have to realize is that Stern *IS* a member of a
    minority.   He's jewish.
    
    Given that, I sorta think that people MAY indeed be misinterpreting
    something meant as a joke as a racial slur.  If he was genuinely
    prejudiced against blacks, for example, it would seem odd that he
    himself chose a black, actually a black female, for his side-kick
    (as he did).
    
    Actually, I view his statements about other minorities as sort of an
    90's version of old fashioned jewish humor, in which ethnicities
    are frequently the butts of jokes but which is NOT borne from any actual
    racial bias. 
    
    In fact, the most frequently targetted minority in jewish humor is
    jews!
    
    	db

    One rreason for Howard's meteoric popularity is probably that people
    are entirely fed up & disgusted with half-baked self-righteous
    neo-Fascist right wing political opportunists like PR gobbling up huge
    shares of media exposure & contributions in the name of God. 
    
    IMHO

    re: .19
    
    > One rreason for Howard's meteoric popularity is probably that people
    > are entirely fed up & disgusted with half-baked self-righteous
    > neo-Fascist right wing political opportunists like PR gobbling up huge
    > shares of media exposure & contributions in the name of God.
    
    Somebody say "Amen"!
    
    And while it had never occurred to me, I expect that there is truth
    in these words.
                                                                       

    
    After 2 years in exile out here in the radio-wasteland of Colorado,
    I would give just about anything to be able to tune into Charles
    in the morning (or even Mark Parento's self important blathering, 
    for that matter). No truer words were ever spoken than "You don't 
    know what you got till it's gone". As bad as 'BCN has become in the
    past several years, it is still far above the continuously recycled
    junk that they play in Colorado Springs. There has been one slight
    ray of hope lately, however. The MAX (102.7 .. I forget the call sign)
    is a slightly more commercialized version of 'FNX. It's not great,
    but it's better than nothing (which is excactly what you get from 
    the rest of the stations out here). I keep trying to click my heels
    together, saying "there's no place like home" ... to no avail.
    
    
    /Billy_K
    

    
    
    > One rreason for Howard's meteoric popularity is probably that people
    > are entirely fed up & disgusted with half-baked self-righteous
    > neo-Fascist right wing political opportunists like PR gobbling up huge
    > shares of media exposure & contributions in the name of God. 
    
    Somehow I doubt it.  Much as I'm impressed (i.e. surprised) with the 
    success of either, I find it a stretch to think one's fame was a
    retaliatory result of the other's (niether has to be a conspiracy - maybe 
    people are tuning in who they choose to hear).
    
    More power to both of 'em, though, it's a free country (still?  I 
    think?).  Can I join in and slag my favorite "danger to freedom and 
    rights" target, though?  :^) I have a *big* list, although most are on 
    opposite end of the "neo-Fascist right wing" spectrum (oops, I am in
    a music file - that might be blaspemy).
    
    I do find an interesting parallel between Rush Limbaugh and Stern,
    though.  Both seem to spend LOTS of time promoting themselves and
    talking a lot about how people are out to get them (like they're
    assembling a bunch of excuses for when they fail simply due to people
    not liking them anymore).
    
    - Sean

    Man, I feel for ya Billy the K. I guess you're right. There are quite
    a few choices back East in the Beantown area. I spent 6 months in
    the foot hills of the Sierra's, hour from Fresno Ca., and not only
    were there no "real" radio stations the Fresno Bee didn't thrill me
    as a very good newspaper either. But who needed radio when the beauty
    of the wild west was out my back door? 8-)
    
    Jim C.
    

    RE .22: I'm not suggesting that either of these individuals are part of
    any kind of "conspiracy". I believe people will quietly "tolerate" a
    lot of pseudo-popular rubbish for a long time, then when someone (like
    Howard) *does* come along & expresses a point of view that embodies
    many of the thoughts & feelings of the quiet many, a lot of people are
    going to take an interest even though the individual personality may
    feel the need to push the envelope of acceptability on a regular basis.
    One of the continuing difficulties in this country is that people are
    not inclined or encouraged to think for themselves. Just look at the
    level of voter apathy in national elections, not to mention that
    politicians know only too well that voters respond to smear tactics. 
    
    Another sign of this is the lack of alternatives available to a radio
    station that "has the balls to run Howard Stern". If he had real
    competition, he'd get a lot better. I doubt that Pat Robertson would.
    
    It might also be said that the primary reason for the soaring
    popularity of "talk radio", in whatever form, is the lack of
    availability of "good" music on the airwaves. This gets into
    distribution, advertising, & "lemming psychology" as well. 
    
    Paul 

    "Bob Roberts for Senator"  ;-)

    
�   RE .22: I'm not suggesting that either of these individuals are part of
�   any kind of "conspiracy". I believe people will quietly "tolerate" a
�   lot of pseudo-popular rubbish for a long time, then when someone (like
�   Howard) *does* come along & expresses a point of view that embodies
�   many of the thoughts & feelings of the quiet many
    
    Forget the conspiracy then...
    
    Actually, the real reason I felt the need to respond (as I am no fan
    of Pat Robertson at all) was the same feeling expressed here.  You're
    note(s) hint at and presuppose a lot of things:
    
      o people who listen to Pat are lemmings who can't think for themselves 
        (and are the ones symptomatic of voter apathy)
      o PR fans are a falsely-moral minority
      o Howard's point of view is of the silent and correct majority.
      o "talk radio" is an evil that exists due to lack of the good things
        like "music" (which you happen to like), it has no value in and of
        itself.
      o political oppurtunists are a subset of right wingers
      o exaggerated ("pushing the envelope of") raunch is balls, exaggerated 
        religious zealousness is unacceptable (Howard and Pat are both after
        your $$$, Stern certainly isn't doing it for "art").
    
    Sure, it is probably a safe set of statements to make in a rock'n'roll
    file, but it begs the question "What makes you think your tastes are
    so righteous?"  You like what you like - period.  And fantastic.  But why 
    do you have to belittle PR fans just cause you don't agree with them?
    Lemmings and people who think for themselves are in both camps -
    Howard's and Pat's.  
    
    Btw, this is just a pet peeve of mine, so don't take this personally.
    I occaisionally listen to Stern (here's embarassment - I even bought "Butt
    Bongo Fiesta").  He's an interesting entertainer who I almost universally 
    disagree with on most subjects.  On the other hand, Pat is not that 
    interesting imo, but I still disagree with him.  :^)  I really don't see 
    Stern as any more righteous than Pat or all the other hucksters out there.
    In addition I think you are stereotyping a larger set of people than would 
    be apparant if you weren't in a music file (people who might agree with 
    some of Pat's ideas).
    
    - Sean

    Is Pat Robertson married to Nancy Schaffer?

    RE .26: Neither one has a whole lot to do with music.
    
    I never made *ANY* of the statements you've attributed to me as
    *presumptions*. Most of them are quite unwarrented extrapolations not
    based on the actual comments.
    
    I agree with you:
    	Howard Stern is more interesting than Pat Robertson.
    	Both are in it for the $$$.
    	I disagree with many of the viewpoints of Howard Stern.
    
    I'm aware that a "MUSIC" notes conference is not a perfect survey data
    base, but in the intesest of exploring the topic premise, I conjectured
    that, given a medium like WBCN, & the station's history there could
    *possibly* be a link between the appeal of the currently available
    mesic & the popularity of "talk radio". Regional demographics might
    have more to do with it than either the music or the talk. I'll have to
    remember to post that in the "REGIONAL DEMOGRAPHICS" notes conference. 
    
    One phenomenon I've observed is that if I'm listening to Howard Stern &
    I start thinking "Gee, I could be listening to Steely Dan, or Eric
    Johnson" I start pushing buttons. I don't recall the last time I turned
    off my Eric Johnson CD to catch the insightful banter of either of
    these baffoons.
    
    Paul

    
    > One phenomenon I've observed is that if I'm listening to Howard Stern &
    > I start thinking "Gee, I could be listening to Steely Dan, or Eric
    > Johnson" I start pushing buttons. I don't recall the last time I turned
    > off my Eric Johnson CD to catch the insightful banter of either of
    > these baffoons.
    
    Me too.....  But that's us.  
    
    I think your categorizations of those who wouldn't are way off base.
    
    Everybody has different tastes.  Ours aren't any more "correct" than
    anyone else's.  Steely Dan - one of my all time faves - I guess you
    like 'em, too.  Bet a lot of people aren't into lyrics that constantly 
    reference drugs.  Would you appreciate them labelling you a "buffoon"
    or "apathetic" or "fill in the blank" for your support of them?  Seems 
    like that would be the same display of attitude you chastise Pat for.
    
    - Sean

    I was the guy that said something that had the same meaning as Stern
    being "more righteous" than Robertson (although I used different words,
    something like "Stern should be MUCH higher on some list".
    
>    Sure, it is probably a safe set of statements to make in a rock'n'roll
>    file, but it begs the question "What makes you think your tastes are
>    so righteous?"  
    
    I don't think anyone in here said that they personally were "righteous".
    
    However, I would hope that it is simply uncontestable that Pat
    Robertson attempts to pass HIS tastes as being "righteous" (excellent
    choice of words btw) so much more than Stern that you can't even
    compare them.  I mean one claims he's representing god, the other doesn't.
    
    The reason why I don't regard Stern with the same disdain as Robertson
    is because neither Stern nor his "fans" are trying to force others
    to conform to their tastes thru legislation/laws.
    
    It also seems uncontestable that Robertson and his fans clearly ARE
    doing that.
    
    In my opinion, the most heinous act on earth is to force your will
    upon another.  It is the true "root of all evil" (slavery, war, crime,
    you name it.)
    
    Given that, it's not hard to see how one can view Roberston as being
    significantly less "righteous" than Howard Stern.

    Getting back to the "talk radio" issue:
    
    It's interesting to notice that music doesn't seem to hold the average
    joe's attention.  Check out MTV...they have game shows and that stupid
    thing where they videotaped a bunch of slackers living in a condo
    somewhere.  TNN has shows on auto racing, bass fishing, cooking (!!??),
    etc.  I thought these were *music* channels, but I guess they need to
    pad it to keep people tuned in.  All I know is I'm glad I dropped the
    cable...
    
    							Ed Murrow

    All I can say is, thank god for my tape deck!!!  
    
    I hate listening to the incessant blabbing on the radio these days. 
    The worst part are the people who call into talk shows.  Who *are*
    these people?  Then, again, who cares.
    
    Lorna
    

>    The worst part are the people who call into talk shows.  Who *are*
>    these people?  

    Obviously, these are the people setting the agenda for the national
    body politic's debate.  

    :-(

    > All I can say is, thank god for my tape deck!!!
    
    When I first decided to get a CD player for my car, I thought it was
    just sorta "excess" and pampering myself.
    
    Now, I can't see how I lived without one.  It's where I do the vast
    majority of my music listening anyway.   If I were to do it all over
    again I'd get something cheap for my home stereo and get a killer unit
    for the car!
    
    	db

My tape deck died, so I've been listening to FM lately.  I have three stations
set ... WBCN, WZLX and "oldies 103" (WODS?).  I have a (at least) 45 minute
drive to work, and I'm amazed at how frequently I can punch those three buttons
and find no music at all.  I have to admit, though, that the folks at WBCN
can usually make me laugh.

- dc

    
    If they could get Howard Stern to interview Pat Robinson, now that 
    would be something worth listening to !!!! (Fartman vs. Fathead).
    This could be even better than "Beavis and Butthead"...
    
    /Billy_K

    re: .-1
    
    Heh... heheh  yeah.... that would be cool.  Heh... heheh...
    
    	db

    I think Howard & Pat should work out a deal where Howard appears as a
    guest on the 700 Club in exchange for Pat doing a full length interview
    on The Howard Stern show. Now *that's* alternative radio !
    
    Paul

    That I would love.  I can just imagine Howard grilling Pat
    about his sex life.  

    I have a question for you "listen to tape/disc in the car" people. How
    do you remain up-to-date on traffic ? Most of the time, I listen to CDs
    or cassettes in my DECmobile too, but then I don't have a clue which
    roads to avoid.
    
    In Germany, radio stations send a special signal when they are giving
    traffic info (or severe weather situation) and my car stereo was
    equipped with that feature which recognizes that signal, switches to
    radio until the traffic update is over and returns back to the tape.
    
    ref. Howard Stern
    
    We don't have this person in Canada.  I have been hearing about him and
    was very curious. When I was in California, one morning I caught a few
    minutes of his show on the radio. He was talking to a black lady. he
    asked her if she ever made love to a white man. She said she didn't.
    And he started telling her that she should try a white man and once she
    sleeps with a white man she would never go black again.
    
    I am Kate Thompson and I was there.
    

    
    	I have a police scanner in my car ... if I see it stop on a
    	station and I want to hear what's going on, I turn the radio
    	off and listen.
    

    At first, I thought .40 was a joke, because usually I'll either have a
    "normal" ride in or just when it's impossibly jammed in all directions,
    some "traffic control copter" jock will come on & say, "Wow, what a
    mess today's commute is ! Allow yourself plenty of extra time." I guess
    it's not like that everywhere. 
    
    I stil think a car CD player is the way to go. If you're stuck in
    traffic....so what ?
    
    Paul

    
 �  I stil think a car CD player is the way to go. If you're stuck in
 �  traffic....so what ?
    
    I still like the tape deck idea...  For one, my car makes too much
    noise to make a CD sound any better than a well-recorded tape.  For 
    two, I don't really like having my primary media sitting around in my
    car - rather keep the CD's at home and make dupes for the car.
    
    - Sean

    .42
    
>    At first, I thought .40 was a joke, 
    
    ;-)
    
>    mess today's commute is ! Allow yourself plenty of extra time." I guess
>    it's not like that everywhere. 
    
    It is not like that everywhere. Traffic update is very useful. They tell
    you that there is an accident at Riverside/Baseline then you take
    Hog's Back. 
    (they do say things like "allow yourself plenty of extra time" or "keep
    the headlights on", but they also give the closed ramps and
    construction zones.)
    
>    If you're stuck in traffic....so what ?
    
    You are late for a meeting and you say "I'm sorry, the traffic.." and
    they say "Yeah, right" ;-)
    
    ref. CD vs tape
    
    I can only listen to CD when there is someone else in the car. Yup, I
    cannot change CDs while driving.
    
    Lale

    	I guess you people do not listen to BCN at all during the morning
    anymore....Ken Shelton has left WBCN and will show up on WZLX as the
    new morning drive guy (same times as Chuck !) starting July 26....
    
    Chris

    You don't suppose that we'll have people nodding off behind the wheel.
    I-95 might get even more dangerous.

    Oh yeah, and Mr. Sex Palace, Bradley J, gets Ken's old slot.
    
    Has anybody figured out the rationale behind this BCN Rock Babe concept
    other than they want to make sure no females listen to their station?
    	
    							Brian

re       <<< Note 443.47 by TECRUS::ROST "Graduate of More Science H.S." >>>

>    Has anybody figured out the rationale behind this BCN Rock Babe concept
>    other than they want to make sure no females listen to their station?
    	
I guess they still consider their primary audience to be adolescent males who
would be impressed by that kind of thing ... ;^)

    
    	RE: Sean
    
    	The case I bought for my pull-out has a compartment that'll
    	hold 4 CD's [in the cases], so I carry them with me.  I don't
    	think I like the idea of them sitting in the car all day
    	either, even though it might not bother them anyways ... but
    	at 90+ outside and probably 110+ inside the car, I like to
    	play it safe.
    
    							GTI

    I've had my CD player in my car for 3 years now and I leave CD's in
    there all the time, even hot summer days.
    
    On really hot days I just made sure the CD isn't exposed to direct
    sunlight and that seems to be enough - I've never had any problems.
    
    I think you're giving up a lot of convenience unnecessarily.

    
    How many Barry Manilow CDs do you have ?
    
    

    
    re. car CD players.
    
    It's not really just the heat (although I do have a black car) I worry
    about.
    
    It's theft - got my car stolen once, and once had case of newly bought
    CD's stolen out of a friend's car.
    
    And as for convenience, car CD players don't allow me the pleasure of
    making "mix" tapes (which I do a lot).  Also, I can use the tapes in
    my walkman (don't like portable CD players - low battery life, can't jog
    with 'em, and expensive).
    
    I'm not against great car stereo (in fact it cost more than my home
    system), it's where I listen most.  Maybe I could rethink it, but I
    kind of like the convenience and disposability of tapes.
    
    - Sean

    Well, you see, the thing that I had to recognize before I was ready to
    buy a CD for the car was that it's NOT for "great sound".  Who the hell
    cares if the signal-to-noise is great when your six cylinder is whining
    as loud as the music?
    
    What finally sold me on a CD player was the convenience of being able
    to look at my rack of CD's before I leave for work every morning and
    say "I... think... I'll.. listen to..... THIS ONE." without having
    to be limited by what I currently have on tape.
    
    I spent bundles on blank cassettes and hours copying CD's just to be
    able to have some portion of my CD library availble for car listening.
    
    And by the way, whereas I have yet to damage my first CD by keeping it
    in the car, the same can not even remotely be said for tapes.  I've
    had meltdowns, jams, spills, cracked-under-foot, you name it. 
    Literally have lost dozens of tapes as a direct result of them being in
    car and yet not even a close call with even one CD.
    
    Well... actually I lost one - a passenger said "I gotta borrow this"
    and never returned it.  Grrrrr!!!!!  ; =-)

    
    >How many Barry Manilow CDs do you have ?
    
    
    	I have 2.  8^)
    
    
    							GTI
    

    
     I lived in lower New Hampshire till 1990, and had listened to
    BCN since 69. I now live in Knoxville Tennessee. I visited New
    England last May and although I hated the Stern Show, it was a
    real treat to hear BCN again. It may be a shell of its former
    self, but compared to radio in my new home it is a breath of 
    fresh air. I keep hearing about bands like Soul Asylum and many
    other bands but they haven't got a chance at airtime in this
    area of the tightest of tight format radio. I finally got to
    hear Soul Asylum (liked em) and at least one other band i've
    wanted to hear while I was up there, thanks to BCN.
    
     The only way to hear "alternative" bands like Porno For Pyros
    or others here is if you're within the limited broacast range 
    of the local collage radio (i'm not). Or to take a chance and buy
    them: not at $16 per CD I won't.
    
     I guess what i'm trying to say is Yeah, BCN, WAAF, and whoever
    else may not be exactly your cup of tea, but the Boston area may
    have one of the widest varieties of radio in the country.
    
     Come on down sometime and flip through the dial: 2 of every 3
    stations are country, and the only local rock station with a
    decent signal plays a wide variety of music: Boston, Pink Floyd,
    Boston, Black Crowes, Boston, John Melloncamp, Boston, and post
    1972 Pink Floyd.
    
     Yeee Hahhhh from Knoxville yall!
    
    
     Paul W.
    

    re .56, you shoulda listened to BRU, from Brown Univ., in Providence,
    for even more cutting edge.  It's my daughter's favorite.
    
    Lorna
    

    I think this is the note for car stereo equipment discussions ;-)

    I don't have a CD player in my car. What I have is a discman which
    I boot from the TU58 drive and feed thru the cigarette lighter (finally
    I figured out why they build lighters in the cars ;-)). I also have one
    plate for the suspension, I don't know what it is called, a floater? ;-)

    Some discs play perfectly throughout and some keep on hickupping all
    the time. I used to associate it with the quality of the road,
    like, in Quebec and Vermont it plays well and in Ontario and Newyork it
    doesn't. I think that was the wrong track. Now I think it has got
    something to do with the CD itself. Analog ones are the ones that cause
    the problems and digital ones are the ones that play just fine.

    Anybody observed a similar pattern ? Am I way off ? Should I take only
    the DDD ones with me to listen in the car or is this just a coincidence?

    Lale
    

    
    	I do the same thing.  I haven't noticed the problem being analog
    	vs digital.  The newest kd lang skips like crazy.  A very old
    	Eagles hits plays fine.  I had read an interview with Nuno
    	Bettencourt and he talked about how packing tons of "info"
    	(# songs? / #tracks/song?) on a CD makes them skip.
    
    	I have absolutely no clue what he meant or whether he's right.
    
    	Pretty sure the latest Thomas Dolby skips alot and that could
    	backup Nuno's theory...  
    

    Hey, just heard this the other day.  BCN is auditioning for a new
    "Rock Babe".  Interested parties should have the following
    qualifications:
    
    			The ROCK mindset...
    			The ROCK attitude...
    			The ROCK look...
    
    Think how great it would look on your resume!
    
    /rick 
     :-) in case you weren't sure

Think 'bcn would take Patti Smith?

    re .60
    
    just to be REALLY clear, BCN is really auditioning and the
    qualifications were exactly as stated.  My :-) was re offering
    this as a public service announcement.

    Is "Rock Babe" the official title, or just a job description?
    
    Too bad they aren't looking for any "Rock Hunks", eh guys?  %^)
    
    Stud Finder

    'rock babe' is an official title and a job description.
    the current rb is supposedly a fox, as they are always
    referring to her physical attributes.  remember, 'bcn
    targets 19-35 year old males.
    
    rb atted 'bcn functions and is ogled.  rock babe gets
    clothing credits, just like the female news anchors,
    'rb's clothes by xxx's fine fashions'.
    
    she makes appearances so i assume she either gets paid
    appearance fees and/or some sort of salary.
    
    they will look for 'rock hunks' when they start targetting
    19-35 year old women.
    
    'bcn listener since i was too young (and now I'm too old ;-0     )

Shouldn't they have a "talk babe" instead?  Maybe Joan Rivers?

    Let me see if I can say this without arousing snide remarks........
    
    I use my Discman in the car sometimes. I don't have one of those
    special car attachment things with the shock absorbers so I usually
    just let it ride shotgun. But on those days when it's really skipping
    and p&$%ing me off, I find that if I hold it in my lap while I drive,
    it doesn't skip nearly as much. 
    
    *Please* give me a break on the replies!
    Louise

    i nominate lale eskicioglu as 'bcn rock babe.
    
    anyone who boots her discman from the tu58 drive and feed thru
    the cigarette lighter has the rock attitude.
    just don't tell them you like classical music.
    they think classical music is what they play on the
    oldies station.
    
    blind willis mcduck

    
    :-} 
    
    Gee, Mr. Willie. I really don't know how to take this.
    Is this an insult or a compliment ?
    
    I liked it regardless. It was funny.
    
    Lale (her smile is making knots at the ears)

    compliment.
    you're so active in the music notes file.
    you're tastes are so eclectic.
    on second thought, you're probably too good
    for 'bcn.
    
    AND you're a stone fan.  i used to get in fights as a youngster
    cuz i thought the stones were it and the beatles were ok!
    
    blond willis mcduck (the sun is bleaching my hair)

    
    
    Blush.
    
    Thanks.
    
    Lale