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Title:MUSIC V4
Notice:New Noters please read Note 1.*, Mod = someone else
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Wed Oct 09 1991
Last Modified:Tue Mar 12 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:762
Total number of notes:18706

255.0. "SUB POP Rock City" by EMDS::GRCOOP () Mon Jun 22 1992 17:03

    Any thoughts on Sub Pop bands? Reviews, Etc.????
    
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255.1ICS::CROUCHSubterranean Dharma BumTue Jun 23 1992 08:136
    Ok I'll bite, pardon my ignorance but what is Sub Pop? Who is
    the audience that this genre of music is after? What are the
    names of some bands that can be grouped as "Sub Pop"???
    
    Jim C.
    
255.2one viewOLTRIX::ZAPPIAMale Odor Dept.Tue Jun 23 1992 11:2257
	Bill's note title "Sup Pop Rock City" is a reference to one of many 
	Sup Pop compilations.  This particular one I believe was a German
	release on Glitterhouse.  

	A couple months ago the U.S. music collector rag Goldmine had a good 
	story on the history of Sub Pop.  In short for now (other references 
	such as HYDRA::RADIO_RADIO...) the C/Z label also out Seattle began
	in 1985 with a compilation release that featured Green River, the 
	Melvins, Soundgarden, Skinyard, etc.  

	Sup Pop 100 then followed in 1986 with a various artist release LP 
	where as other released were fanzine only dating back to '79 as 	
	described below. A few years later Sup Pop 200,	a 3LP was released 
	as well as a CD which soon wen out of print and has since been 
	re-issued.  A follow on to this is Grunge Years which may have been 
	the first introduction for many listeners.  In between all these 
	compilations there were many individual band releases by Soundgarden, 
	Mudhoney, Tad, Fluid, etc.  Later on bands such as L7 released 
	their EP "Smell the Magic", Hole, etc,. and it seems ever since the 
	label has moved considerably from its often narrowly characterized 
	description of "Sup Pop Sound".  I think it's much broader than many
	describe it to be so I'm not going to even attempt to further 
	characterize the sound of any of these bands.

	If anything, at least initially the sound had more to do with style, 
	attitude, geographic commonalty, possibly similar rooted music
	appreciation which must have touched upon everything from early 60's
	beat sound, to 70's hard rock sound, to blues, to punk, etc.

	The sound to develop from all of this was termed by the above phrase 
	Seattle sound which I do think may have been a fair description 
	initially.  Later such bands as Codeine, one of the first that
	I can think of that were a so-called non-characteristc Sup Pop
	band with slow, softer almost melancholic music.  Soon after (jumping 
	ahead) another side of Sub Pop developed which I include Beat Happening,
	Love Battery which while still guitar oriented in my opinion left the
	feed back and distortion behind in favor of a some what more distinctly
	defined guitar playing, in the later case they still with very strong 
	vocal as with some of the earlier bands...At the present time
	it's hardly geographic anymore or a one-sided sound at all, such 
	bands as the Afghan Whigs (Cincinnati), Boston's Come and Green Magnet 
	School, Six Finger Satellite, are all hardly characteristic and pigeon 
	hole material from the early days.

	Getting back to the fanzine and how the name Sup Pop came about, Jim 
	C's personal name is some what of a coincidence ("Subterranean 
	Dharma Bum").  The label name was shortened from Subterranean Pop,
	a fanzine of Bruce Pavitt's started in '79.  He was later writing 
	for Rocket, a Seattle based music paper, (I don;t recall the author's 
	name right now but he's also the author of the recent "Heaven and 
	Hell"  book on Led Zeppelin) a column called "Sup Pop: A Guide to U.S.
	Independent" which then became the label name when he and Jonathan 
	Poneman became partners.

	- Jim

255.3ICS::CROUCHSubterranean Dharma BumTue Jun 23 1992 12:0310
    Hey, great. Thanks for the explanation Jim.
    
    My P-Name comes from a compilation of 2 Jack kerouak's books,
    "The Subterranians" and "The Dharma Bums". 
    
    I think I "get" it now.
    
    Jim C.
    
    
255.4Disco.OLTRIX::ZAPPIASimon Szeto, R.I.P.Fri Jun 26 1992 15:4715
	The June 20th edition of NME (New Music Express) had a fairly good
	Sup Pop discography.  The main difference between it and others such 
	as Goldmine, April 17 is that it included details regarding issue
	quantity and format.  

	In some cases quantities were quite limited which along with 
	relatively poor distribution it's no wonder that some discs were
	hard to come by even early on.
	
	It didn't include UK's Tupelo, Australia's Waterfront, Germany's
	Glitterhouse or Japan's Sony releases.  A recent Record Collector 
	did include a partial UK disco.

	- Jim
255.5pure crapCAVLRY::BUCKDon't fear, Love will make us strongThu Jul 23 1992 17:101
    "Hated it" !