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139.1 | | DEDSHO::CLARK | Read My Lips: No New Term | Wed Feb 12 1992 16:00 | 7 |
| I have one CD, "Sharkey's Day," and the video "Home of the Brave." I love them
both, especially the video - everytime I watch it, I get something new out of
it. She seems to me to be able to really communicate through imagery as well
as music. I sure would've liked to have seen that performance. What types
of props, (lighting, film etc.) were used, if any?
- Dave
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139.2 | From the Alternative Music conference | RAB::KARDON | Doctor, Doctor, give me the news... | Wed Feb 12 1992 16:55 | 35 |
139.3 | More about the performance | GEMVAX::ALLISON | Bluestocking sorta kinda | Thu Feb 13 1992 09:05 | 62 |
| The Sanders show was very simple: one keyboard, one screen with one
slide (of a bleak road reaching into nowhere). Laurie showed a few
videos featuring her and her clone. In retrospect, I'm not sure what
the point was in seeing them. She talked about the development of the
clone character . . . but, gee, I can't remember *why*!
Well, that little mental lapse aside, let's see . . . she talked about
Helms, what she considers a serious, concerted attempt to destroy
artistic freedom by the right wing (her seriousness about this really
impressed me). She talked about Helms liking pictures of snowy
landscapes that make you feel good, and Mapplethorpe's being after
something a little bigger, "the big taboos." She talked a lot about the
atmosphere in the U.S. in recent years of accusation, judgment, and
intolerance.
She talked about how people from the ad agencies from New York go down
to SoHo and look at the galleries, then immediately copy what they see,
comp it up, and a month later it's in an advertisement in a glossy
magazine -- and thus, she doesn't know where the avant garde is any
more, or if there even is an avant garde any more.
She told a terrific story about her grandmother, who was a missionary
to Japan; didn't speak Japanese, didn't know anything about Buddhism,
but *did* know everything there is to know about hats: how to make
them, how to wear them with style, etc., etc. The Japanese weren't
interested in her missionary zeal but were intrigued by her hats; she
wound up teaching them about hats and they taught her about bonsai.
This family story leads Anderson to believe that you can't argue people
into accepting your point of view; you can only communicate from what
you already deeply love.
This story is the kind of revealing story/image that I love so much in
her work.
(I supposed I shouldn't try to recap the entire performance -- it'd
probably be pretty flat to read about, but if anyone's interested send
me mail with your DTN. I'm not in ELF, probably because I'm a contractor.)
She read from a script, which made her delivery a little less smooth
than it might have been, but this wasn't a major problem. Some of what
she said seemed a little unfocused, not as well integrated as it might
have been into the flow of story images and ideas.
She sang just a couple of songs, one about the war looking like the 4th
of July, and one about the Native American man who can't remember the
words to his traditional songs. She closed with the device that she
puts in her mouth, and by moving her lips she shapes the tone of a
violin solo tape being played.
Question: How do you guys find out when she's around? I always scan the
Globe ads, but if I couldn't go to her performance here, I'd love to be
able to know if she was appearing in Northampton or Providence. Is
there any way to find out when an artist is going to be in the general
Boston/Massachusetts area?
To Dave: She has a couple other albums out, including Big Science. Did
you know she has two books published, United States and Empty Places?
To -.1: Who's Steve? I agree with you, criticism of the male power
structure does not automatically constitute "male-bashing." I thought
her comments about male-female relationships were based in serious
thought and observation about our lives.
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139.4 | | RAB::KARDON | Doctor, Doctor, give me the news... | Thu Feb 13 1992 13:36 | 9 |
| > To -.1: Who's Steve?
I'm sorry Nancy, my note made reference to Steve Beaupre's review of
the show which he posted in 45.445 ("Concerts you've been to").
Steve was not, however, the friend of mine who made the "male-bashing"
comments.
-Scott
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139.5 | Having fun at someone else's expense? | GLDOA::REITER | | Thu Feb 13 1992 14:23 | 22 |
139.9 | time out | GLDOA::REITER | | Thu Feb 13 1992 15:50 | 15 |
| I think some people are confused (or are pretending to be confused).
My comment on .5 is about Scott Kardon's note, which is .2. OK?
The "male-bashing_is_OK" comment is _Scott's_, not Laurie Anderson's.
The comment is not appropriate for this conference or any other.
This is not a matter of PC; it is a matter of John Sims' memo.
I would _love_ to discuss Laurie Anderson, but I have some business to
attend to regarding appropriateness of notes at the moment.
This (.2) is the kind of unpleasantness that threatens employee
interest noting, in case you're curious. The moderator of this
conference has been informed. Thank you for your patience.
\Gary
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139.11 | This is not supposed to take place. | GLDOA::REITER | | Thu Feb 13 1992 16:37 | 10 |
139.12 | | RENOIR::MARKEY | Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging | Thu Feb 13 1992 16:37 | 14 |
| People, I'm stepping in here. I'm not taking a side here at all. What I
want to do people is keep everyone happy, at least to the point where
you don't harm each other. And so, to that end I am hiding reply .2. I
am also stating that I think Scott should re-enter the reply without
the phrase in question. I further ask that everyone else refrain from
further discussion of the comment in question, but rather talk about
Laurie. Otherwise, I'm going to have to set a note, that I would
personally like to participate in, hidden. We'll all lose at that
point.
Thank you for your understanding.
Brian
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139.13 | Sigh | RAB::KARDON | May contain some/all of the following... | Thu Feb 13 1992 17:49 | 42 |
| I apologize for any controversy that my original note caused. As
mentioned by a previous noter, the controversial comments were made by
a friend of mine and were disagreed with by myself. Laurie had no part
in that conversation...
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I, too, caught Laurie Anderson's Friday night show at Sanders. I didn't
have the benefit of knowing in advance that it was a talk instead of a
performance, though. This is the third time that I've seen Laurie.
The first was at Berkely (and was also an unexpected talk). The
second time was for her "Strange Angels" tour. I can't say that I was
upset at my expectations being wrong. Laurie is one of the most
captivating speakers I've ever heard and I enjoyed her talk. I think
Steve did a great job summarizing her performance.
The only thing I disagreed with him about was when he said that her
talk was disjoint and too long. I felt that this was done on purpose.
There were several times during the show where she got caught in a
rat-hole with herself only to be caught in another and another. She
always unwound them in the same sequence in which they were begun,
though. Being someone who feels that many topics naturally lead to
other (sometimes unrelated) ones, I really enjoyed this. It reminded
me of some of my favorite conversations with people.
I also had a big argument with the person I went with who thought that
she was a little too PC. I disagreed. I admitted that many of her
stands overlapped with the PC movement, but that she made them because
she thought they were right - not because they were the PC things to say.
And that the audience agreed with her, because she made sense - not out
of some blind obedience.
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-Scott
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139.14 | Curious | GEMVAX::ALLISON | Bluestocking sorta kinda | Fri Feb 14 1992 09:09 | 6 |
| Brian, you mentioned to me once that you'd done some work for Laurie
Anderson. Would you describe what you did? Did you ever have anything
to do with the filters that create the car salesman and the female
chorus?
--Nancy
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139.15 | | VMPIRE::CLARK | Read My Lips: No New Term | Fri Feb 14 1992 09:40 | 4 |
| A friend of mine said he believes that Laurie hosted (?) a PBS TV show some
number of years back? Anyone know about this?
- Dave
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139.16 | | RENOIR::MARKEY | Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging | Fri Feb 14 1992 11:00 | 32 |
| RE: 14,15
I'll start with .15. I do remember such a show, I saw a few episodes.
It was the start of Laurie's shift toward being a "performance artist"
as opposed to a "musical artist". I think right now that Laurie should
be classified almost exclusively as "performance art" (I'm not saying
that in a derogatory sense; she's just not performing what I would term
a music concert anymore).
And now for .14.
No, I didn't really work for/with Laurie. I was part of the Peter
Gabriel camp at the time Excellent Birds was done, doing synth
programming. We reworked some of the Synclavier stuff at Real World to
give the song more of a rhythm. The first pass at Excellent Birds was
more like Laurie's traditional song-poem style. The percussion in that
song is the Gabriel influence. Anyway, I claim no real connection other
than running a piece of envelope shaper software over the samples to give
them more of a thwap. It took 10 or 15 minutes, most of it spent loading/
writing the samples from/to floppies.
What was kinda neat, is I was traveling with Peter when Laurie called
him one day and asked him to appear with her in New York. The schedule
could not be worked out as Peter was due in LA (I believe) the next
morning. But when I went to see Laurie at the Opera House in Boston,
she was showing slides behind the musicians. One of the slides was a
bunch of post-it type notes, in her handwriting, with various reminders
of things to do. On one note: "Call Peter about New York."
Well, I thought it was cool...
Brian
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139.17 | TV show? | GEMVAX::ALLISON | Bluestocking sorta kinda | Fri Feb 14 1992 13:26 | 2 |
| Was the show "Live from Off Center"? She did some videos to introduce
episodes of that show.
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139.18 | I'm curious | ASABET::HOWARD | | Tue Feb 18 1992 12:40 | 10 |
| Brian,
Was it the reworked version that became the bonus cut on the So CD
(where it was called This is the Picture)
? It seems a bit funkier and more rhythmic than the version on Laurie's
album. Both are great in their own way.
Darnley
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139.19 | | RENOIR::MARKEY | Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging | Wed Feb 19 1992 12:33 | 13 |
| RE: .18
Darnley,
I reworked the Synclavier stuff for Laurie's version and copied the
samples to the Fairlight for Peter's version. I had more to do, but not
much more, with Peter's version... like I said before, I claim no real
connection to either version. That would be like my claiming to have
worked with an artist who I soldered a cable for... we're talking
completely non-artistic involvement, just pure and simple grunt-work
(at least as far as Excellent Birds is concerned).
Brian
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139.20 | Filters | GEMVAX::ALLISON | Bluestocking sorta kinda | Fri Feb 21 1992 10:53 | 34 |
| Brian, or anybody else who knows--
Can you explain about the filters Laurie uses? How do they work? At
Sanders, she was demonstrating them, and she demonstrated the one that
creates a chorus of female voices. But when she used it, there was a
surprisingly deep voice in it, and she glanced at the back of the stage
(where her support people presumably were) and grinned and said,
"Sounds as if a guy got in there."
So, can the filters be programmed -- can you switch what they're doing
to your voice? Or are they fixed -- you get a filter that does one
thing or set of things, and that's that?
(What is a filter, anyway? Is it a chip or a program that modifies the
frequency of the analog waves of your voice?)
Does each filter have a certain range -- like, for example, a filter
that deals with a fairly high range, one that does a middle range, one
that does a basso profundo range -- or can one filter do any range of
sound from high to low?
Does a certain filter make that goofy salesman voice?
Can you design your own filter, or are they products that certain
companies periodically release, like "Here's Our Latest Boffo Goofy
Salesman Filter!" Or do you work with a programmer and say, "I'd like a
filter that sounds a little like Daffy Duck but with a sort of brass
section sound, too, please" and a programmer writes the code to make it
happen?
Hope this isn't too technical a question, but those filters are so
central to her music, I've always been curious about them.
--Nancy
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139.21 | Hope this isn't too technical | RENOIR::MARKEY | Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging | Fri Feb 21 1992 11:59 | 66 |
| As far as I know, Laurie uses a batterie of processing equipment, some
of it part of her Synclavier and some of it is external processing. In
particular, the Eventide H3000S is used to do a lot of the stuff, but
she also has some of the older Eventide processers (900? I think...).
Without a great deal of technical detail, I shall try and explain how
these things work. To start with, envision a computer with a memory
that you can continuously stuff things in the front and they eventually
come out the rear (First In, First Out, or FIFO). Now, add to the front
a piece of silicon known as an Analog-to-Digital convertor (ADC). What
an ADC does is "sample" the incoming wave-form, such as a voice or
instrument, and convert the amplitude information into a number. A
series of such numbers represents the integration of the waveform over
time using a discrete approximation algorithm very similar, in
function, to the summation to infinite limit that we learned in
Calculus 2 when they introduced the concept of integration. In other
words, the ADC is reproducing the waveform as digital information.
At the back end of the chain, we add a corresponding piece of silicon,
known as a Digital-to-Analog Convertor (DAC). The DAC uses a fixed
sample rate (which happens to be the same as the input) to convert the
bit stream back into an analog signal. The mechanics of this process
are quite technical, but for anyone's who's interested, I recommend the
book "Digital Audio" by Ken Pohlman. Caveat Emptor: be prepared to dive
into some pretty heavy math if you decide to go further.
Anyway, now that we have our FIFO computer and a way to get analog
information in to/out of it, we can do some interesting things. For
instance, if we vary the time it takes for the digitized signal to pass
from the start to the end of the FIFO memory, we can cause a delay in
the signal. If we mix the delayed signal with an unprocessed signal, we
can do effects like echo. If we add a feedback loop, where we pass the
processed signal back into the front of the memory, we can create
effects like reverb. If we slightly vary the clock rate of the
sampling internal to our effect, we can create effects like vibrato.
Now, let's take it a step further and understand the frequency content.
Remember that if we multiply any musical tone by 2, we raise the pitch
one octave. If we divide by 2, we drop the pitch one octave. We can
acheive the same effect by modifying the digital sample rate. For
instance, if we sample at 48khz and play back at 24 khz, our signal
will be half the pitch, or 1 octave lower (let's forget the problems in
filtering the output which result in changing the sample rate). A more
common solution to the pitch change problem is to change our increment
value in our FIFO memory. For instance, when we sample we may sample at
every location in memory, but when we play-back we may skip, say, every
other location. Typically, a pitch-shifting device would have an
algorithm which equates the musical interval you are trying to achieve
with some corresponding increment in the memory. So pitch shifting is
easy, controlling it is not.
The reason for this is simple: suppose we return to the example of
skipping every other memory location (raising the pitch one octave).
The problem is, we also move through our memory twice as fast. This
results in a phrase that is half as long as the original when shifted
in pitch one octave. Most cheapo pitch shifters have this problem. This
results in the infamous "Chipmunks" syndrome. Very expensive devices
have algorithms which detect suitable loop-points in the waveform and
loop so that the envelope period remains constant, regardless of pitch
(the Fairlight CMI is one such device - surprisingly, the Synclavier
does not have a "real-time" equivalent).
Anyway, there you have it, pitch shifting (or filtering, as you call
it), for beginners.
Brian
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139.22 | Thanks | GEMVAX::ALLISON | Bluestocking sorta kinda | Fri Feb 21 1992 13:51 | 38 |
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Thanks, Brian.
That's all prety clear -- actually, I got my start in the computer biz
writing manuals for Cyborg Corporation, a funky outfit in Newton,
MA, that made analog-to-digital and digital-to-analog converter boards,
as well as digital I/O boards. (They were used with heat and pressure
sensors, mostly, mostly for laboratories.) So, once you got going on your
explanation, I thought, "Gee, this all sounds pretty familiar." I get
the octave and delay ideas quite clearly.
But what creates that actual change in the timbre of the sounds, from
Anderson's natural voice to the absurdly thickish, sorta plummy,
back-of-the-throat tones of the salesman, or the sharper, more nasal
tones of one of the chorus members? I mean, the filtered voices sound as if
they're articulated in different parts of the human throat and mouth
and involve different kinds of resonance including chest, nose, and
top-of-the-head resonances. That's what amazes me.
I don't want you to try to summarize ten or twenty years' experience as
a sound engineer; maybe this starts to get too wordy for you to deal
with in a note, if so, let me know and maybe one of these days I'll
call you and you can spend, oh, a couple of hours filling me in on this
stuff . . . . (By the way, I do know about COMMUSIC, but so far I
haven't been able to follow the conversation very well. Everybody has
very specific, technical concerns dealing with specific products and
procedures -- way ahead of what I know about.)
Some of my curiosity is purely practical: do you have to get someone to
program this stuff for you, or is it part of a finished product you can
play around with by yourself to get the results you want?
(The Cambridge Center for Adult Education is offering a short course in
MIDI technology for absolute beginners, so if I can swing it, I'm going
to take it. So don't feel that you have to construct my understanding
from the ground up. But if any of my questions interest you, great.)
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139.23 | sample transposition | SALSA::MOELLER | Psst.. 3 day weekends-Pass it on | Fri Feb 21 1992 14:23 | 18 |
| >But what creates that actual change in the timbre of the sounds, from
>Anderson's natural voice to the absurdly thickish, sorta plummy,
>back-of-the-throat tones of the salesman, or the sharper, more nasal
>tones of one of the chorus members? I mean, the filtered voices sound as if
>they're articulated in different parts of the human throat and mouth
>and involve different kinds of resonance including chest, nose, and
>top-of-the-head resonances. That's what amazes me.
When you sample and transpose a sound, any sound, you enlarge or shrink
its resident formant frequencies. So if you transpose Laurie's voice
down, you enlarge the apparent chest/sinus/throat area, causing a
different formant. Likewise transposing up, even slightly.
I have a friend who physically resembles his father very closely -
same size chest, throat, and head. Not surprisingly I can't tell their
voices apart on the telephone.
karl
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139.24 | | RENOIR::MARKEY | Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging | Fri Feb 21 1992 14:31 | 47 |
| OK, I'll take it a step further...
Another aspect of the purely digital processing I described in .21 is
"filtering" in the traditional sense. Using digital algorithms, it is
possible to create parameter driven filters very similar to the
"parametric EQ" one would find on a mixing console. The digital
equivalents are much more flexible though, as you can very easily vary
the poles (frequency), width (Q) and gain of the filter and tweek it in
real time (although it should be noted that digital filters work on
"signal history" a subject *far* too complex for me to get into here).
Again, read Pohlman if you feel so inclined.
Many of the effects you describe can be acheived using a combination of
pitch shifting and filtering. I believe the Eventide H3000S even has
some fairly rudimentary filtering algorithms.
An easier way of doing this type of subtractive/additive synthesis is
to just use the old analog module stuff. The older analog synthesizers
usually had a fairly well defined set of modules: Voltage Controlled
Oscillator (VCO), Voltage Controlled Amplifier (VCA) and Voltage
Controlled Filter (VCF). These basic circuits are Bob Moog's
contribution to music-kind. Each of these modules typically had two
inputs: the unprocessed input signal and a "control signal". The
control signal would control the pitch of a VCO, the gain of a VCA, or
the frequency/Q of a VCF. You can patch a whole bunch of these bables
together in any order you want and do some pretty wild stuff. For
instance, I frequently use a VCO controlled by a foot-pedal, plugged
into the modulation input on a digital deley, to get some pretty wild
delay effects for my Chapman Stick. With these basic building blocks,
only the imagination limits the result.
The Synclavier, which Laurie uses, has little subroutines which can
perform each of the processing steps one would associate with the old
analog synthesizer building-blocks. Some of them can be used for
real-time effects control. Again, it would take me a whole book to
explain how it all works (which, BTW, I'm very seriously considering
writing). However, it is important to note that the Synclavier is also
an FM synthesizer (like the Yamaha DX7, but in fact the Synclavier came
first). The Amplitude and Harmonic envelopes of FM synthesis can be
used to approximate the effects of the VCA and the VCF, respectively.
For more information on FM synthesis, check the (circa) September 1973
issue of the Journal of the Audio Engineering Society for John
Chowning's (Stanford University) ground-breaking article on the
subject.
Brian
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