Conference mr1pst::music

    What is "Amused to Death"? 
    
    Regarding Syd, the latest I heard about him is that he's now devoting
    his time to painting, and doesn't have a thing at all to do with music. 
    
    (By the way, my personal name is all in jest!) :-)
     

I heard on 'ZLX the other day the following 'stranger than fiction' report:

Gilmour, Mason and another PF guitarist were injured last week in an 'dune buggy'
accident which occured during a multi-day 'desert racing' event in the southwest
US.  Gilmour and the other guitarist were unable to continue the race, but Mason
(only mildly injured) continued alone and completed the race in a Ferrari.

sounds like definite rumor material to me...

-jn-

> Gilmour, Mason and another PF guitarist were injured last week in an 'dune 
> buggy' accident which occured during a multi-day 'desert racing' event in 
> the southwest US.  

Yes, I believe this is true. The "other guitarist" was not a band member, 
but the band's manager Steve Rourke. Gilmour and Mason were fine, but Rourke 
had a broken leg. 

alan

    
    Last I heard 'Amused to Death' was scrapped because it was so down
    on the whole breakup thing...
    
    					Listenup

    Here's one for the fans of the older Pink Floyd material.
    
    What is the song "See Saw" about? I have listened to it several 
    times, and it seems to be about something meaningful, but I'm not quite
    getting it. 
    
    This song is on the 2nd side of "Saucerful of Secrets." 
    
    
    Wes
    

    I think if anyone can figure out any of the Floyd material from that
    era, they are doing well
    
                            ;^)
                                ;^)
                                    ;^).

    
    	re:.2
    
    	Nick Mason owns a '62 Ferrari 250 GTO.  I saw one several months
    	ago in the New York Times - $12 million.  This a Ferrari V12 
    	racing car - it is VERY potent.  Supporting one (mechanic,	
    	tires etc) must cost lots of money
    
    	tom
     

This originally appeared in the September 1988 issue of Penthouse; it
is an interview with Roger Waters and David Gilmour in which they both
give their vastly different accounts of the whole "which one's pink?"
battle, as well as insights into what predicated the breakup of the
band.

I only typed this in; the writer, Timothy White, has an obviously
pro-Waters stance, which I couldn't resist diluting with my own inserted
pro-Gilmour comments (denoted by (** **) so you can tell they're not 
part of the original article.)

Information about rare or unreleased tracks mentioned in the article,
insights into the bands evolution (i.e. the only song on _Obscured By
CLouds_ written by ONE band member was _Mudmen_ written by Gilmour) and
subsequent buildup of tension will all be appreciated but please read up
on the net so we don't flood it with Pink Floyd posts and drive out all
the Alternative rock fans :-) 

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   "Is there anything more sad and unjust than a  *fake*?"  frets
radically  flustered  British rock legend Roger Waters, seated in
his Spartan loft offices in London. His  fervid  question  fairly
scars  the  afternoon air with its savagery. "Can you imagine the
disappointment in learning you'd spent your savings  on  a  false
Magritte  or  a fraudulent John Lennon manuscript? Not to mention
the spiritual trust and emotion people  invest  in  the  symbolic
power of any name."

   Indeed, Waters allows, in many ancient cultures names were sa-
cred  things that could never be changed, transferred, or falsely
assumed. To tamper with a name, much less manipulate  it  in  the
marketplace,  was  to desecrate the spiritual force it contained.
It was like spitting on the soul.

   "And it was the struggle *against* these kinds of  attitudes,"
adds  the  wiry  Waters,  his square jaw stiffening, "that helped
John Lennon create the sense of artistic decency that I  like  to
call `the Lennon Instinct.'"

   The fight that Waters is discussing is closer to home than any
cunning  exploitation  of  the  farflung  Beatles legacy, but the
stakes are still plenty high. Indeed, one of the biggest and most
bitter  battles in the annals of the billion-dollar rock business
concerns the much-coveted  legal  custody  of  a  quirky  musical
trademark: Pink Floyd.

   In the beginning were the words, and the words were  the  Pink
Floyd  sound. Derived from the first names of two obscure Georgia
bluesmen (Pink Anderson and Floyd Council), the term was  applied
in 1965 to a certain experimental British rock band; and over the
course of two decades it has become synonymous with  a  magnetic,
edgy music in which its pervasive chilling mood is the star.

   The man at the center of the ugly contest for control of  this
potent  rock presence is songwriter Roger Waters, a lyricist *ex-
traordinaire* whose spiky meditations on death, madness, and apo-
calypse  were  pivotal  in leading an obscure British psychedelic
group to the pinnacle of commercial  preeminence  in  progressive
rock.  In  particular,  Waters wrote all the words and the better
part of the music for Pink Floyd's 1973 album, _The Dark Side  Of
The  Moon_.  One  of the most successful records of all time, the
hypnotic _Dark Side_ has lingered for a staggering 725  weeks  on
_Billboard_'s  pop  charts;  yet  its  spooky  cover  image  of a
prismatic pyramid is the closest its faceless creators have  ever
come to iconlike stardom.

   Waters' legendary fertile imagination yielded another phenome-
nal blockbuster in 1979, the epic autobiographical ode to postwar
alienation, _The Wall_ -- and under his leadership the band would
ultimately  move  more  than  55 million albums. But the focus of
fans' adulation remained the anonymous banner of "Pink Floyd."

   The Floyd broke up in 1983 -- notwithstanding  all  flamboyant
appearances  to the contrary -- and now Waters and longtime Floyd
lead guitarist/vocalist Dave Gilmour are locked in a  fight  over
rights  to  the  name. Waters wants "the reigning trade-emblem of
rock" to be permanently retired, pleading, "Let's be fair to  our
public,  for  pity's sake, and admit the group disintegrated long
ago!"

   Gilmour vehemently rejects such notions,  raging,  "I've  been
working  on my career with Pink Floyd for 20 years -- since 1968.
I'm 44 now, too old to start all over at this stage of my career,
and  I  don't see any reason why I should. Pink Floyd is not some
sacred or hallowed thing that never made bad or boring records in
the past. And I'm not destroying anything by trying to carry on!"

   Actually, these pitched  acrimonies  evolved  out  of  a  1985
management  rift,  in  which  Waters  ended his representation by
veteran Floyd manager Steve O'Rourke. Their falling-out was  over
contractual agreements for future Floyd output -- a matter Waters
deemed moot since the  band  was,  to  his  mind,  defunct.  When
O'Rourke  bridled,  calling his termination by Waters a violation
of his own formal agreements with, and  responsibilities  toward,
the  entity known as Pink Floyd, Roger sought support from former
band members Gilmour and drummer Nick Mason  (Roger  even  rashly
proposed  to cede the band's rights to Pink Floyd if they'd close
ranks against O'Rourke's claims; neither Gilmour  nor  Mason  ac-
cepted Waters never-to-be-repeated offer.)

   As Waters tells it, when he calmed down and took the long view
on  both  the deepening breach with O'Rourke and his estrangement
from Gilmour, Mason and Floyd orphan Rick Wright (who Roger  says
was  fired by mutual consent of the rest in 1980), he decided the
sanest course of action was a  writ  to  nullify  the  name  Pink
Floyd.

  In 1986, on  Halloween,  Roger  Waters  filed  suit  in  London
against  Gilmour and Mason. Last year, the dispute spilled out of
the offices of the principals' attorneys  and  onto  the  world's
concert stages. Roger Waters mounted a massive tour in support of
_Radio KAOS_, his second solo LP, while Gilmour, Mason and Wright
performed  the  _A  Momentary  Lapse  Of Reasn_ LP under the Pink
Floyd flag.

   Waters' record drew wildly mixed reviews  and  sold  modestly;
yet  his  much-praised KAOS concert pageant, while pitted against
the rising tide of pseudo-Floyd promotion,  slowly  prospered  to
where  Waters  could  sell  out  solo shows in England's gigantic
Wembley Arena on two consecutive nights. Meanwhile,  the  product
of  Gilmour's  Floyd  facsimile  drew similarly mixed notices but
triumphed in record stores, sparking a hefty 3 million  purchases
in  the  U.S.  alone;  and the lasers- and props-packed _Lapse Of
Reason_ dates proved a steady sellout internationally.

   On both tours, crowds were treated to the bountifully forebod-
ing sweep of the Pink Floyd aesthetic. Hits and FM favorites like
"Welcome to the Machine," "Money,"  and  "Another  Brick  In  The
Wall"  were  lavished on all comers -- but it was only during the
_Radio KAOS_ concerts that noted  Los  Angeles  deejay  Jim  Ladd
(performing as the voice of the mythical KAOS station) deigned to
declare, "Words and music by Roger Waters!"

   While Waters' authorship of the best of the Pink Floyd  reper-
toire  was plain from the start, it was opponent Dave Gilmour who
won the crucial first round at the box office. While savoring the
bounty from _A Momentary Lapse Of Reason_, Dave permitted himself
a bit of boasting last november in the pages of _Rolling  Stone_:
"We never sat down at any point and said, `It doesn't sound Floyd
enough. Make this more Floyd.' We just worked on the songs  until
they  sounded  right.  When  they sounded great and right, that's
when it became Pink Floyd."

   Roger Waters read that "arrogant soliloquy" down  in  Nassau's
Compass  Point Studios last spring while at work with Paul "Don't
Shed A Tear" Carrack and the Bleeding Heart Band on the then  un-
titled follow-up to _Radio KAOS_.

   For Roger, Gilmour's assertion was the last straw. "That's  an
outright  lie,  absolute and barefaced," he seethed, slamming the
magazine down, "and someday the world will know the depth of this
entire hoax!"

   Waters saw Gilmour's quote in  _Rolling  Stone_  as  the  rock
equivalent of the Iran-Contra crew and their droll demurrals con-
cerning official misconduct, despite a damning paper trail to the
contrary.  The  Gilmour statement emboldened Waters to come forth
for the first time with details of what he sees  as  the  behind-
the-scenes  disloyalties and double-dealings that gave rise to _A
Momentary Lapse of Reason_. "I must  say,"  Waters  quips,  "that
under the circumstances, it's a superb title for a so-called Pink
Floyd record."

   Granted, anyone can say anything to the press to  justify  his
position  to  Pink Floyd's legion of rabid fans. However, the in-
trigues that emerge from six months of independent  inquiry  into
this  epic  test  of rock'n'roll wills differ shockingly from all
previous accounts.

   What emerges is a saga of greed, cynicism, and  misrepresenta-
tion  in  the modern music business. Over the last 20 years, rock
has grown from the simple  expression of a  spirited  singer  and
his  song  into a gigantic entertainment juggernaut in which even
the most splendid displays of "talent" and  "vision"  can  be  of
synthetic origin. Thanks to the convolutions of current recording
technology, a musician needn't play, a band needn't assemble,  an
artistic  bond needn't exist. A songwriter-producer can adopt the
focused traits of an assembly-line foreman as he brings the illu-
sion of a supergroup and its latest album into being. This is the
story of a massive controversy, centered on the marketing of  two
seemingly foolish words: Pink Floyd.



   "You learn nothing from a lie," says Roger  Waters,  stretched
out  in  the Billiard Room, a home studio that has supplanted the
game room of his spacious house in Barnes, West London. It's been
a  troubled six months since our initial Pink Floyd-related talk,
and the sinewy Waters looks distinctly world-weary. "Even as  you
discover  a  deliberate untruth, it always only confirms what you
already knew but refused to face."

   This blunt observation  is  at  the  core  of  Roger  Waters's
outlook  as  a  composer, since unsentimental confrontations with
delusion form the fundamental themes of his work. Like many  old-
guard  rock  practitioners, Waters values the unconditional open-
ness of the best rock as a public expression of a personal truth.
Naysayers  claim  that  rock no longer requires any creed or sub-
stance beyond the brazen announcement of itself.

   "In Aldous Huxley's book *Brave  New  World*,"  mulls  Waters,
nursing  a  cup of strong tea, "he warned about every human being
conditioned to accept his lot so that the bosses arrive at a nice
smooth  situation  where nobody questions anything and everything
is supposedly `taken care of.' This is the deluded scenario I put
forth  in *Radio KAOS* -- which was my doomsday-bound vision of a
`soap-operatic republic' in which nobody gives a shit if, for in-
stance,  Oliver  North  did the right thing or was wrong, or what
effect it had on anything else. All that many viewers still  care
about  concerning  the  indicted  Mr.  North is whether he gave a
good, solid,  John  Wayne  television  performance.  And  because
North's  airtime  suddenly became entwined with the American net-
works' sickening concept of what constitutes great television, it
was literally excused!

   "What it comes down to for me is:  Will  the  technologies  of
communication  and culture -- and especially popular music, which
is a *vast* and beloved enterprise -- help us to  understand  one
another  better, or will they deceive us and keep us apart? While
there's still time, we all have to answer for ourselves. But nei-
ther  Huxley nor Meese nor Ollie North could have prepared me for
the creative, technological and moral issues I'm facing with  the
Pink  Floyd  sham -- a grand display that's also being excused in
public because it makes for great arena rock.

   "Naturally," he chuckles, showing a handsome, seldom seen grin
that  merits  more exposure, "all of this solemn contemplation is
showing up in my music. *Radio KAOS* was hopefully  universal  in
its  pained concern, but my new album's themes involve anguish in
my very own backyard."

   Indeed, one day last winter, as the  personnel  calling  them-
selves  Pink  Floyd  were moving across the map from San Diego to
Sydney in fierce pursuit of ticket sales, a pensive Roger  Waters
went  to the Billiard Room and began writing stanzas for what be-
came a song for his new album:

             We watched the tragedy unfold              
             We did as we were told
             We bought and sold
             It was the greatest show on Earth
             But then it was over

             We oohed and aahed
             We drove our racing cars
             We ate our last jars of caviar
             And somewhere out there in the stars
             A keen-eyed lookout spied a flickering star
             Our last hurrah

             (COPYRIGHT 1988 ROGER WATERS. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED)


   Waters gradually realized the two verses were  a  requiem  for
the  fragile  integrity of the Pink Floyd reign. And yes, tens of
thousands of spectators *were* at that moment crowding arenas  to
hear  a  band calling itself Pink Floyd. Yet the most devout fans
surely were aware that the whole presentation could not be furth-
er in fact or intent from the aims of the idealistic school chums
who forged the Pink Floyd Sound.

   When a title for his bittersweet new song eventually  occurred
to  Roger  Waters, it also seemed an apt name for both his latest
solo album and the tragic creative destiny that it summarized. "I
didn't  know  what  else  to call it," he shrugs, "but *Amused to
Death*."



   Among ultra-hard-core Pink Floyd zealots, the period of mourn-
ing  for  the band commenced way back in 1968, when another Roger
-- Roger Keith "Syd" Barrett -- was booted from  the  psychedelic
act  he'd  named.  A fellow student of Waters's at Cambridge High
School for Boys, Syd Barrett was invited by Roger in late 1965 to
join a combo he'd formed with two other architecture majors (Nick
Mason, Rick Wright) at London's Regent Street Polytechnic.  Spew-
ing  barrages  of  feedback-cum-Chuck Berry chords during Sunday-
afternoon "Spontaneous Underground" sessions at the  fabled  Mar-
quee  Club,  Pink  Floyd quickly became the vanguard experimental
outfit on the London underground scene.

   Unfortunately,  young  Syd  too  quickly  became  high-priest-
without-portfolio of a surreal strain of hallucinogen-fueled rock
songcraft, whose halcyon era was as hazy as his  own  cerebellum.
While  still  sufficiently  grounded as of January 1967 to author
Pink Floyd's first British  hit,  "Arnold  Layne,"  Barrett  soon
tired  of  the  rigors of reality. He was halfway to the laughing
house when *The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn*, the debut Floyd  LP,
emerged from Abbey Road Studios in August 1967.

   Cambridge High School alumnua`s Dave Gilmour, fresh from  gigs
as a male model in France, was brought on board in February 1968,
to serve as backup guitarist and  vocalist  for  the  dangerously
balmy Barrett. When too many visits to the popstar pharmacy paved
the way for Syd's inevitable on-mental tour collapse, Gilmour got
the nod as new guitar hero. Waters, Gilmour, and Rick Wright went
on to assist Barrett in two loopy solo LPs (*The  Madcap  Laughs;
Barrett*),  and  then  Syd retired to his mum's house to preserve
his premier rank as acid-fried rock savant.

   With Gilmour the appointed front man, Waters  gripped  Floyd's
artistic   reins   and   steered   them   into  years  of  exotic
progressive-rock reveries.  The electronics-drenched  albums  had
titles  like *A Saucerful of Secrets; Ummagumma; Atom Heart Moth-
er; Meddle. And the spacey songs followed suit: "Set The Controls
For The HEart Of The Sun," "Astronome Domine." The band also pro-
vided soundtrack scores  for  a  few  of  the  more  outre'  late
sixties-early   seventies   art   movies,   notably   *More*  and
Michelangelo Antonioni's daffily desolate *Zabriske  Point*(1970)
in  which  the  Floyd song "Careful With That Axe, Eugene" soared
over the closing sequence  of  desert  explosions.  (**note  from
typist/poster:  the  song  in the movie is titled "Come In Number
51, Your Time Is Up." and is a very souped-up version of "Careful
With  That Axe." This article contains some other minor inaccura-
cies, but I couldn't let that one stand.**)

   The  Pink  Floyd  stage  productions  of  the  era  were   the
forerunners  of the modern rock extravaganza, featuring elaborate
special effects and one of rock's  inaugural  light  shows,  plus
protracted  instrumental  suites  served up via a remarkable 360-
degree sound system called the Azimuth  Coordinator.  At  one  UK
concert,  a 50-foot inflatable octopus rose from an adjacent pond
during a climactic number, the Floyd playing so loudly the  deci-
bel level actually decimated the real aquatic life in the water.

   For all its bizarre overkill, the Floyd had no impact  on  the
American market until 1972's _Obscured By Clouds_ was embraced by
FM radio. From there it was a short step to a  commercial  blast-
off courtesy _The Dark Side Of The Moon_, with its immaculate in-
strumentation,  ominous  phonic  mumbles,   and   jarring   sound
effects(ticking clocks, ringing cash registers). Each band member
contributed something to the mix of _Dark Side_,  but  lyrically,
musically, and conceptually it was Roger Waters's coming out par-
ty. While the rest of the group  basked  in  the  glow  of  their
abrupt  mass  acceptance,  Waters  busily exorcised his ingrained
demons, expounding throughout _Wish You Were Here_(1975, dedicat-
ed  to  Syd  Barrett), _Animals_(1977), _The Wall_(1979) and _The
Final Cut_(1983), on gloomy human themes rooted in grief for  his
airman father's World War II death.

   "My father was a schoolteacher before  the  war,"  Waters  ex-
plains  evenly. "He taught physical education *and* religious in-
struction, strangely enough. He was a deeply committed  Christian
who  was killed when I was three months old. A wrenching waste. I
concede that awful loss has colored much of  my  writing  and  my
worldview."

   It has also shaped Waters's intense  sense  of  protectiveness
toward  Pink Floyd's recording heritage, since it encompasses ma-
jor developmental horrors in his life --  whether  they  involved
coping  with  the  death of the dad he never knew, or the psychic
dissolution of adolescent companion Syd Barrett.

   "Syd and I went through our *most* formative years  together,"
Waters  shyly admits, "riding on my motorbike, getting drunk, do-
ing a little dope, flirting with girls, all that basic  stuff.  I
still  consider  Syd  a  great  primary  inspiration; there was a
wonderful human tenderness to all his unique musical flights."

   From his alternately slack and hypertense body language to the
crackling clarity of his discourse, Roger Waters, 44, is the epi-
tome of the overly bright man for whom intellect, self-awareness,
and  social  conscience are a decidedly mixed blessing. The hard-
ness of his chiseled visage and flinty gaze are leavened,  howev-
er, by the disarming vulnerability of his nature.

    "There's something to be said for disastrous business miscal-
culation  and failure in the marketplace," he says with a hapless
chuckle. "They send you back home to ponder your  value  systems,
and at the same time they reward you with a new freedom to follow
your creative heart without worrying about commercial tyrannies.

   "I've also discovered that the law is not so  much  interested
in  moral  issues  as the cold factors of ownership, treating the
name Pink Floyd as if it were McDonald's or Boeing! On a personal
level,  I  have  nothing  against Dave Gilmour furthering his own
goals. It's just the idea of Dave's solo career  masquerading  as
Pink Floyd that offends me!"

   Gilmour is the polar opposite of his adversary in both appear-
ance  and opinion. Round-faced, smiling, with a teddy-bear torso,
he projects amicability and approachability -- until his  darting
eyes  sense weakness in their vicinity. At which point, the smile
turns to a fixed leer and a fabled sarcasm spills forth.

   "I don't share Roger's sense of  angst  about  music  and  the
world,"  he banters scornfully, speaking at dusk in a Providence,
Rhode Island, hotel room shortly before  another  concert  stand.
"If  I  did,  maybe  we  would  have  come to an agreement on our
dispute. While Roger's acted dumbly and  isolated  himself,  I've
discovered  new strength with the extra work load I've had to put
on myself in this last year. But like him, I did several solo LPs
myself  and made no demands on anyone when I did.  Granted, I did
less work with Pink Floyd back in the  old  days,  but  that  was
something  Roger  was  forcing. And now," Gilmour adds with glee,
"the poor chap's lost his whip hand!"


   Perhaps. But David Gilmour is singing a vastly different  tune
than he did back when his solo future seemed brighter.

   "Roger comes up with the concepts -- he's the preacher of  the
group and spends more time home writing with Pink Floyd in mind,"
a breezy Gilmour told _Rolling Stone_ in 1978, as his _David Gil-
mour_  album  was being issued. "We get along fine. I know what I
give to our sound, and he knows it, too. It's not a  question  of
him  forcing  his ideas on us. I get my ideas across as much as I
want to. They would use more of my music if I wrote it."

   **(typists note: why might Gilmour have wanted/needed to  publicly
    deny internal strife within the band  in  1978?  Think  about it.)**

  Gilmour took an aggressive stab at writing his  own  music  for
his _David Gilmour_ and 1984 _About Face_ collections, but it ap-
pears that only Pink Floyd cultists bought them (**typists  note:
and who bought Waters's solo projects?**) It was after his second
solo album that he began to press the Pink ploy.

   "From there, the story takes a sordid  turn,"  claims  Waters,
"and  after  long thought on this mess and the mountain of false-
hood (**not to mention the money they're making with the  band  I
thought was *mine* Waaah! -- typist's insertion. sorry, I'll stop
:-)**) mountain of falsehood that this scheming bunch has  creat-
ed,  I'm now going to divulge the cold, hard, indisputable facts.
Please do feel free to go back to any of  the  parties  mentioned
about  their  side of the story. I think you'll stop them dead in
their sneaky tracks."

   The first bombshell Waters drops is that Bob Ezrin, who served
as coproducer on _The Wall_ as well as _A Momentary Lapse of Rea-
son_, was originally supposed to produce _Radio KAOS_.

   "That's right," Waters says with a grim nod. "We  met  in  New
York  City  in  February of 1986. This was after Gilmour had been
spouting for a year about how wise it would be to get Pink  Floyd
back  together  in  any  passable form -- with me always refusing
that scam.

   "So I see Ezrin for a two-day meeting and give  him  cassettes
of  the _KAOS_ material I'm working on. He said he was interested
in doing the record. We shook on the  _KAOS_  agreement,  and  we
agreed to start work in England on April 16 of 1986."

   Come early April, Waters found it impossible  to  contact  Bob
Ezrin.

   "I couldn't reach him," says Waters.  "Then,exactly  ten  days
before  my first scheduled _KAOS_ session in England, I manage to
catch him at home in the wee hours of the morning.  He  picks  up
the  phone,  is startled to find it's me on the other end, and he
blurts out, `My wife says she'll divorce me if I go work in  Eng-
land!'  I  was  stunned.  I said, `Couldn't you have told me that
three months ago?'

   "I'm in a state of shock, and the minute I put the phone  down
after  the  conversation,  my  wife Carolyn says to me, `I'll bet
he's going to do that pseudo-Pink Floyd record David wants' All I
could reply was, `I can't believe he'd do *that*.'

   "I discovered exactly one week later," Waters says,  "that  he
had indeed been hired to do a Pink Floyd record."

   After having Waters's detailed accusations read to   him,  Bob
Ezrin  replies,  "I  was  in  Los  Angeles  in the midst of a Rod
Stewart album when Roger called from London in February  of  '86,
and  I  set  two days aside at Roger's insistence and we met each
other halfway, both of us  flying  to  New  York  to  talk  about
_KAOS_.  At  the time I met with Roger, I said I wanted to do the
album, but I had an instinctive sense that he was being too rigid
and intense in his attitudes about the project. And believe me, I
know how rigid Roger can get from doing _The Wall_ with him.

   "See, Roger was completely inflexible about when and where  he
wanted to do _KAOS_. I have five kids, and he was wanting to move
my whole family to England for a minimum of three months. My wife
was  against  it because she felt it would disrupt our children's
school schedule. And so after I thought it through,  I  exercised
my right as a potential employee of Roger's to decline.

   "It was a *full month* afterward," Ezrin  proclaims,  "that  I
was  approached by Dave Gilmour about producing a Pink Floyd pro-
ject. I hadn't been in touch with Dave since producing his _About
Face_ album."

   So why, after rejecting a three-month Waters-related  stay  in
England  for  the  good of his family, did Ezrin wind up spending
almost seven months in London recording  _A  Momentary  Lapse  of
Reason_ with Gilmour?


   There, a long pause. "Dave didn't  demand  things  like  Roger
did,"  Ezrin  finally  replies. "While Roger was thinking only of
*his* family's schedule, Dave was willing  to  work  out  a  more
flexible calendar plan that would accomodate the school schedules
of both our sets of kids.  Also, Dave flew to LA to hang out  and
play his work tapes -- rather than insisting that I go to him."

   Ezrin's disclaimers sound peculiarly  prissy  coming  from  an
itinerant  veteran whose studio dance card has regularly included
heavy-metal hell-raisers like Alice  Cooper  and  Kiss.  However,
giving  him  the benefit of the doubt, we move on to the artistic
integrity of _Lapse of Reason_.  Roger  Waters's  outspoken  ire,
you'll  recall,  was triggered by Gilmour's assertion to _Rolling
Stone_ that "we never sat down at any point  during  this  record
and said, `It doesn't sound Floyd enough. Make this more Floyd.'"

   On the contrary, according to Waters, it  was  Bob  Ezrin  who
rang  just  such an alarm at the halfway mark in the _Lapse_ ses-
sions.

   "After four to five months of constant work with  Gilmour  and
company,"  says  Roger,  "Bob spoke to Michael Kamen, who did or-
chestral arrangements on _The Wall_ and also coproduced my  first
solo album, _The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking_. (** typists note:
Kamen also did some arrangements for Queensryche, a  very  Floyd-
sounding  band at times**) Bob told him the tracks were `an abso-
lute disaster, with no words, no heart, no continuity.'"  Michael
Kamen,  who had declined involvement at the start of the project,
confirms Waters's account of the conversation with Ezrin.

   "Ezrin was so depressed," says Waters,  "he  took  a  cassette
copy  of the tapes home to his house in Encino, where his teenage
son Josh discovered it and played it with his friend. Both of the
kids  got  angry,  and  Josh  told  Ezrin,  `Dad, it's *not* Pink
Floyd!'

   (** typists note: what would a teenager  in  1986  have  known
about the many different phases and sounds of Pink Floyd??? **)

   "What happened next," says Waters, gathering steam, "was  that
Bob  Ezrin, David Gilmour, and CBS Records executive Stephen Ral-
bovsky had a confidential lunch meeting  at  Langan's  Brasserie,
the famous London bistro in Hampton Court, in October or November
of '86, wherein both Ezrin  and  Ralbovsky  told  Gilmour,  `This
music  doesn't  sound a *fucking thing* like Pink Floyd!' And ac-
cording to what Dave told me, they had spent $1.2 million on it!"

   Back to Bob Ezrin. Is Roger Waters's account  of  this  secret
meeting correct?

   "Omigosh!" gasps Ezrin in dismay. Then,  in  a  quavery  tone:
"How  Roger  could have known that we all had that meeting is re-
markable to me! Okay, fair enough; the *point* of the meeting was
for me to tell David that what he had thus far was not up to Pink
Floyd standards.

   "Wait a minute, let me rephrase that: I said it was not up  to
*our*  standard of a Pink Floyd project, and that we should start
over again.  And David was open and willing to do that.

    "But the fact, amazingly, that Roger has become a *detective*
to  learn  about  that  meeting  says  to  me that this thing has
become...er, it's gone too far  past,  er...It's  not  about  the
music  anymore!  It's  about the simple `making' of the _Lapse of
Reason_ record -- as well as the fact that Roger's not on it."

   Precisely. Roger Waters's most vociferous  charge  has  always
been  that  the  intention on the part of Gilmour, Ezrin, et al.,
was never to create music that succeeded on its  own  terms,  but
instead,  from  the  corporate estimation on down, to endeavor to
fake the Pink Floyd Sound. Right?

   Another uncomfortable pause. "Well," Ezrin murmurs,  "I  won't
tell  you  that there weren't times when I didn't say to David or
David didn't say to me, `This  would  be  easier  if  Roger  were
here,'  or `Roger would know what to do,' or `Roger could give us
that flavor.' But both David and I knew that that would mean con-
tending  with the rigid, intense, obsessive, and *artistic* Roger
-- which we didn't want."

   And which Roger had closed the door on anyway.

   "Er,...yes. So we had no choice but to go our  own  route  and
start over -- and we did."

   Which brings us to the question of exactly whose  fingerprints
are  on  (and *not* on) the version of _A Momentary Lapse of Rea-
son_ that reached the marketplace. Scanning the fine print on the
inside  of  the expensive gatefold album jacket, one discovers --
in addition to Gilmour, Nick Mason, Rick Wright, and Bob Ezrin --
a guest list of 15 noted session musicians. (** typists note: How
many session musicians are on _Dark Side of the  Moon_  and  _The
Wall_?  Even in the days of Barrett, session musicians were used.
An entire high school marching band sat in on _Jugband Blues_ and
I  don't think that's Roger's voice singing _The Great Gig In The
Sky_ either....**) No less than 18 *more* musicians and technical
experts  are acknowledged and thanked in the sub-fine print.  ANd
the songwriters tucked away on the record's  label  include,  be-
sides  Gilmour and Ezrin, Messieurs Anthony Moore, Phil Manzanera
(** typist's note: Manzanera is a guitar wizard in his own right.
Check  out his solo _Guitarissimo_ if you have a chance. **), Jon
Carin, and Pat Leonard.

   This mysterious multitude is discreetly  substituting  for  an
act  that last consisted of Waters, Mason, and Wright, with Roger
doing the overwhelming majority of the songwriting. (**  typist's
note:  the  article does NOT mention Gilmour in the previous sen-
tence. And what about Michael Kamen, or the  orchestra  hired  to
play  Kamen's  arrangements  on  _The Wall_? Plus, while I rarely
listen to _The Final Cut_, I think I  recall  distinctly  hearing
other  singers and instruments on it as well.  **) Does Dave Gil-
mour still presume to call this  army  of  hired  guns  and  mer-
cenaries Pink Floyd?

    "Listen," Gilmour fumes, "the band is  bound  to  change!  It
must,  regardless  of  the external or internal climate it faces.
But Nick and Bob Ezrin and I ultimately sat down with the materi-
al and decided what worked and what didn't!"

    Notice there is no mention by Gilmour of the fourth  "member"
of the unfathomable Pink Floyd, Rick Wright.

   "That's because Rick Wright is merely on a wage on this entire
Pink Floyd world tour," Waters explains. "Rick has been burnt out
since 1979, when Gilmour, Ezrin and myself unanimously decided to
fire him.

    (** typist's note: so it's ok with Waters to  call  it  Floyd
without Wright OR Barrett...just not without Waters? **)

  "Ezrin was the person to first call Rick during Rick's odd lit-
tle  vacation that fall to Greece -- just as _The Wall_ was being
completed -- and said, `You're no longer  pulling  your  weight.'
And  Rick  told him, `Fuck off!' It was then we all discussed the
matter, and Gilmour said, `Let's get rid  of  Nick  Mason,  too!'
Eventually  Rick  did  some  _Wall_ shows, but he only received a
wage, and then in 1980 we fired him for  good."  (Gilmour  corro-
borated  these  charges  of Wright's failings and "severance" ar-
rangement in a 1984 interview, in which he said  of  Wright,  "He
wasn't  performing  in  any way for us; he certainly wasn't doing
the job he was paid to do. On _The Wall_...Rick didn't play  many
keyboards.)

   "On August 4 of '86," Waters says, "I had a meeting with  Dave
on the _Astoria__, his houseboat-recording studio that's anchored
on the Thames, because we were still trying to settle our differ-
ences.  Dave told me himself that he still had no respect for ei-
ther Wright or Mason, but that they were useful to him.  The  man
who  was  most  useful, however, was Bob Ezrin, which is why Dave
and Bob now each split three points right off the  top  from  the
gross  retail sales of _Lapse_. The remaining 12 or so points are
divided amongst a sea of other participants like  Mason.  As  for
poor Rick Wright, he's on a weekly salary of $11,000. I know, be-
cause I've seen his contract with my own eyes.

   "At least Rick knows it's  just  a  payday.  Nick  Mason  goes
around  acting like Pink Floyd might really be a functioning tour
band. And once again, I invite and urge you to go to  Wright  and
Mason and repeat all these charges."

   Unfortunately, Wright and Mason refused all requests  for  in-
terviews,  which  were repeatedly tendered through both the press
offices of CBS Records (which also remains Roger Waters's  label)
and  those  of  JLM  Public  Relations,  Waters's  own  Manhattan
representative.

   If, as Waters alleges, the erstwhile personnel of  Pink  Floyd
merely  function  as potted phantoms and paid-off tour props, who
can be counted on to propagate the Pink Floyd Ploy beyond the '88
World Tour?

   "That's the most scandalous facet of this whole ruse,"  Waters
rules,  "because Gilmour has built up an entire cast of backstage
characters that he's sought to enlist as sources of material  for
the *next* so-called Pink Floyd album. Many of them are leftovers
from the first abortive try, when he and Ezrin were pulling their
hair  out  in  vain  efforts  to concoct a concept album. Failing
that, they just established relationships with anybody willing to
cook up songs that resembled something Pink."

   Could Waters reveal the names of any of  these  other  phantom
Floyds?

   "Oh, sure. One is Eric Stewart, a founding member of the  ori-
ginal 10cc band and a very talented British songwriter who's col-
laborated with Paul  McCartney,  for  instance,  on  Paul's  1986
_Press to PLay_ album.  Another lyricist David has waiting in the
wings is Roger McGough, the Liverpool poet, who was a  member  of
the  famous experimental mid-sixties rock group Scaffold -- which
also had Mike McGear,  McCartney's  brother.   And  then  there's
Carol  Pope,  who's one of the finest contemporary Canadian song-
writers. I'll give Gilmour credit: When he devises  a  fraud,  he
goes to first-class talent for assistance."

   "Yes," Eric Stewart confirms, "Dave Gilmour and I got together
around  August or September of 1986 to work on a concept that was
definitely intended for the next Pink Floyd album. We sat  around
writing  for  a period of time, but we couldn't get the different
elements and ideas to gel. The songwriting itself was  acceptable
in certain parts, but not as awhole; so the concept was eventual-
ly scrapped.

   "I don't want to divulge the concept because, especially know-
ing  Dave,  he  may want to go back and revive it. It may well be
used in the future."

   Peter Brown, former director of the Beatles  NEMS  Enterprises
management company and present manager of Roger McGough, is happy
to give similar confirmation of his client's  Pink  Floyd-related
collaborations with Dave Gilmour.

   "Dave worked with Roger McGough late in 1986 on original ideas
for  the  Pink  Floyd  project," Brown explains, "but those ideas
remain a grey area. We're waiting for Dave  to  finish  his  Pink
Floyd world tour to see what will come of it all."

   "The idea to contact me came from Bob Ezrin, says Carole Pope.
"It  was  January  of  1987 and they were looking for somebody to
rewrite a batch of Dave Gilmour's material, so  I  went  over  to
England  for  a  few weeks to lend assistance. Bob and David also
asked me if I had any suggestions for concept albums in the  Pink
Floyd  style.  By the time I left England in February, they still
couldn't decide what to do. They did have one song, though, which
I  thought  was quite nice, though it never surfaced on _Lapse Of
Reason_. It was a mid-tempo  thing  about  Roger  Waters,  called
`Peace Be With You.' Seems strange that they didn't use it."

   And so, while the genuine creative alliance of the Pink  Floyd
Sound  lies  in  an  unquiet grave, David Gilmour has contrived a
ghoulish farm-club system designed to generate prolific stand-ins
and  impostors.  As you read this, the current Floyd cavalcade is
fulfilling its last global concert commitments. But peace is  not
at  hand.  Once Gilmour completes the tour, perhaps he'll contact
those collaborators currently on hold  for  whatever  Pink  Floyd
roles  stand  vacant.  It's as if a surviving Beatle -- say, Paul
McCartney -- had instituted  an  employment  agency  for  Beatles
clones,  and  found it worked efficiently enough to dare call the
fickle roster the Fab Four.

   Bob Ezrin, who could be at the helm for the  next  episode  of
this pop chicanery, has his own convoluted rationale for this en-
terprise.

   "I think Roger is brilliant, but he's a tough guy to  disagree
with,  and  he  can be overly passionate and uncompromising. It's
those qualities that go into making him a great artist, but  nei-
ther  Dave  nor  I  would  ever consider ourselves great artists.
We're more interested in creating something  that's  popular  and
fun. Actually, I *hate* the word *artist*, but I would definitely
concede that Roger is a great artist -- as well as a total obses-
sive  and  a psychiatrist's dream. I love Roger, and I truly love
most of what he does, but not enough anymore to go through what's
necessary  to  be a part of his process. It's far easier for Dave
and I to do *our* version of a Floyd record."

   For Gilmour's part, he will press on unless a  court  decision
prohibits him from such activities.

   "I don't see any reason why I should stop," he states tersely.
"It  took  decades of care and feeding for Pink Floyd to find its
loyal audience, and I won't throw in the towel, especially  after
_Lapse  of  Reason_  has  been such a huge success. Roger doesn't
have the right at present to tell me what to  do  with  my  life,
although  he believes that he does. And he'll not ruin my career,
although lately he's been trying to."

   Actually, apart from the ongoing legal fray, Roger  Waters  is
pouring  most  of  his  energies  into  promoting  and performing
_Amused to Death_ -- plus writing material for a fourth album  of
his own.

   "Things change so drastically and yet they remain  the  same,"
Waters  assures, leaving his chair in his West London home to be-
gin another afternoon of trial-and-error songcraft  in  the  Bil-
liard  Room.  "The  Lennon Instinct tells me that, as with John's
song of the same name, my approach to the Floyd  fight  is  `just
like  starting  over.'  Yet  I'm also pleased that I've got a new
career, a solo career, that I've been nurturing since 1984.

   "The main difference between me and Dave Gilmour is that, when
it  comes time for him to finally confess his dishonest...venture
to the world, I'll at least have the justice of a solid, credible
head start on him."

   Waters shows a fatigued grin. "That's the advantage of putting
your *own* good name on your work. If people do decide they enjoy
it, they always know who to thank and where to find you."

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    Any right to wax indignant about the Trademark of Quality lapsed when
    Waters decided to keep the name even though he'd just ousted the
    group's founder, songwriter, singer, and lead guitarist.
    
    Ray

    
    Yup...I'd go with that!
    
    I heard a rumour recently that Gilmour, Mason and Wright were working
    on another Floyd album...possibly to be released soon.
    
    Anyone have any info on this ??
    
    
    Kevin.
    ~~~~~~
    
    

    An irony to me is that I found Radio KAOS unlistenable, and loved
    Momentary Lapse.  And I've been into PF since 'see Emily play'.
    
    Waters is good at playing the injured party in public.. sounds like a
    real pr*ck in the studio.
    
    karl

    
    
    The way I see it, Waters has the lyric/concept capability whilst
    the others have the music.
    
    In many respects they're missing each other...
    
    But yes, Waters seems to be constantly moaning about the past and
    NOT concentrating on proving his pint via the music he produces.
    
    
    IMHO,
    
    Kevin.
    ~~~~~~
    
    
    

    As said before, both partys are missing each other...Both bands seem to
    be missing something. Either the music isn't there, or the vocals...or
    the whole feel of the band isn't there. Both partys are taking
    advantage of the fans IMO. I think the band members are missing the
    point, which is... making great music with something to say.
    
    
    sean.
      

    
�                                           Both partys are taking
�   advantage of the fans IMO.                                          
    
    How do you feel that Roger is taking advantage of the fans?
    
    - the other Sean

    The music just isn't there, but if you like Roger alone than your fine.
    I like both......a lot of the Floyd albums were music, just listen to 
    Wish You Were Here/Meddle/Atom Heart Mother/Animals ect.
    
    signed, 
    
    another 
    
    Reilly.
    IMO?
    

    
    I agree, the sound is different - in both cases, imo.  But Roger isn't
    saying he's Pink Floyd.  So, while his music may not up to PF standards, 
    he isn't claiming it to be, either.  Gilmour is, and that's why when
    you say both parties are "taking advantage of the fans," I don't feel
    that Roger really is.  His music may seem worthless to you, and you
    may not like his ego/attitude, but that's a different point...
    
    - Sean_whose_suprised_we_don't_get_each_other's_mail_ever :^)

The article in .8 was really interesting, but sad too, like any squabble between
two/three/four people you admire, though only two in this case.
Like others, I wish they'd all shut up and just keep creating.

On the Humblie Opinions soapbox, I liked Kaos a lot, the Pros and Cons is quite
good. Gilmore's (first?) solo album is ok, but only, I suspect, because it 
reminds me of the good ole pf days. Neither of them is Floyd, that's self-
evident, how could they be? A band is a synthesis, no matter how the talent is
balanced. But if I had to choose one (and I don't, but I'm going to anyway :-) )
it would be Waters. I just hate hearing him bicker. Ok, it's obviously an issue
of great personal pain, etc, I can understand that. But while giving HOs, I
would advise as deep a silence on the whole issue as possible. Silence is, in 
the end, the most dignified thing. Otherwise, there's always one word too many
that spoils any cogent argument.

I'll stop in a minute: but this is my first time opening my mouth in this 
note, and I'd just like to add that my favourite Pink Floyd album(s) (copout on
a decision) are Animals, Atom Heart Mother, DSOTM, and Wish You Were Here.

Does anyone else think that Umagumma is a mess, with really good bits?

SB. 

>Does anyone else think that Umagumma is a mess, with really good bits?

I love the entire live side of Ummagumma, and generally never listen to the
studio side (though Gilmour's tune "The Narrow Way" [?] isn't bad).

Take a look at the album cover ... there's a cartoon depicting "laughing all
the way to the bank."

    I heard some stuff from UMMAGUMMA a few weeks back on college radio. 
    
    (Um...did anyone else finally figure out that this strange title 
    was picked because it's a double set (hence the word "Umma" twice). 
    Very wry on their part!)
    
    I like UMMAGUMMA. It's the sort of album I remember having respect
    for back in the days when it was cool to drive around in a 
    beat-up '66 Volkswagon van with a flower decal in the back window. 
    
    One disc is live and contains four songs. One of 
    the tunes is written by Barrett. I would think the tunes'd sound
    pretty great these days on CD, with all of the hiss cleaned up. 
    (anyone verify this?) On LP, they sounded a bit empty. But the 
    performances were genuinely "spacey" and "arty" and all of that good
    stuff that made me a Floyd fan way back when.
    
    I love "The Nile Song" from the MORE film soundtrack. 
    
    Anyway, this reply's basically about UMMAGUMMA... 
    
    The second LP contains their solo efforts. Kind of interesting in
    places...boring in others. They were trying to be arty, for the most
    part. "Several Small Species..." may sound a bit dated these days, eh? 
    
    Love "The Narrow Way" by Gilmour ("Rest your aching limbs, etc."). 
    
    I may end up getting this on CD some fine day - the cover artwork is
    great, with Gilmour IN YOUR FACE and some Gnome or Gnomes scaling 
    weird cave-looking props in the background. Not to mention the infinite
    regression cover (ending, finally, with a photo of the SAUCERFUL 
    cover?)...and Nick Mason in a series of photos in the Fat Old Sun. 
    Not to mention all of their equipment spread out on the back cover. 
    
    Wow...for 1969, the album's still respectable. That's because it was
    made to last by an up'n'coming band. 
      

I count "The Nile Song" as my number-one heavy-metal favorite

    'Grantchester Meadows' accurately foretold the rise of acoustic New Age
    
    the "..grooving with a Pict" genre died with this album, fortunately
    
    karl

    
    re. T_PARMENTER:
    
    "The Nile Song" !!!  People disbelieve when I tell them PF has a 
    great heavy-metal song, then I play this, and they look very
    confused...  Great choice!
    
    - Sean

    My friends think PF is heavy-metal.......? Those are the Harry Conick
    Jr. people. 
    
    Careful with the Axe Eugene...
    
    sean.
    

    re: .23
    
    Priceless!
    
    

    One Pink Floyd mystery that remains is...
    
    Where is the release of RELICS on CD? I always felt this to be a good
    mix of the old and new, and it contains a few songs unavailable on other
    albums.
    
    If EMI was the original owner of the tracks, and they've put out PIPER
    and all of the old EMI albums, why not RELICS?  

    "Granchester Meadows" has especially good lyrics - poetry, really; it 
    doesn't remind me of acoustic New Age - it's just a very restful song.
    
    Can't anyone comment on the transference of this onto CD? :-) 
      

re             <<< Note 48.26 by PSYLO::WILSON "Oranges & Lemons" >>>

>    Can't anyone comment on the transference of this onto CD? :-) 
      
I can only comment on the live songs ... still a lot more hiss than I'd like;
it especially is annoying during the quiet parts, such as the great spooky
organ solos.  Not sure if the CD has been re-released in a cleaned-up format,
if this is even possible; I bought the CD several years ago.

- Dave

    If someone has a track listing for the LP, "More," which came out in
    1969, and if you can post it, I'd be grateful. 
    
    Thanks!
    

    
    
    MORE
    ====
    
    Side One:	Cirrus Minor
    		The Nile Song
    		Crying Song
    		Up The Khyber
    		Green Is The Colour
    		Cymbaline
    		Party Sequence
    
    Side Two:	Main Theme
    		Ibiza Bar
    		More Blues
    		Quicksilver
    		A Spanish Piece
    		Dramatic Theme
    
    
    Regards,
    
    	Kevin.
    	~~~~~~
    
    

    HI, BIG RICHE HERE I"M INTERESTED IN ANY BOOTLEG ALBUMS OR PHOTIES OF 
    PINK FLOYD. 
    ALLSO TOUR MECHANDISE AND COLLECTABLES.
    
    CHEERS RICHE.
     

    Hi everyone! My name is Rupert and i am a Roger Waters fan. I am also a
    fan of Pink Floyd up until 1985 when Roer left the group. To me, Pink
    Floyd no longer exist.
    
    Anyway, the news is that Roger Waters is finally going to release
    Amused To Death. A single is expected out the second week of August and
    an album will follow by late August/early September. Unofficial reports
    are that the new album will 'blow your mind'. Roger is now signed to
    CBS worldwide.
    
    As for the individuals who call themselves Pink Floyd, there is a
    rumour that they will release a farewell album and do a farewell tour
    towards the end of the year.(I didn't think they would do much or last
    long)
    
    If i hear any more news i will post it up,
    
    Regards,
    
    Rupert.

    <<< Note 48.31 by SED750::ENGLANDER "The Moment of Clarity ..." >>>
    
    � Hi everyone! My name is Rupert and i am a Roger Waters fan. I am also a
    � fan of Pink Floyd up until 1985 when Roer left the group. To me, Pink
    � Floyd no longer exist.
    
    Oh, I see you've experienced a 'momentary lapse of reason' ... ((:^))
        
    � As for the individuals who call themselves Pink Floyd, there is a
    � rumour that they will release a farewell album and do a farewell tour
    � towards the end of the year.(I didn't think they would do much or last
    � long)
    
    'A Momentary Lapse of Reason' and the tour were HUGE commercial and
    artistic triumphs for Pink Floyd. They are much better off without
    Roger's self-aggrandizing and overbearing style. IMHO.
    
    - acp
    

    The only reason 'momentary lapse of reason' was a sucess was that it
    was hyped out of all proportion as was the tour. The majority of people
    who bought and liked the album did not even realise that Roger was no
    longer involved. I am talking about the new generation of Pink Floyd
    listeners who started by buying AMLOS and then moved on to the far
    better works of DSOTM and WYWH etc.
    
    I think it is fine that Gilmour and Mason (forget Wright) continue to
    make average to good music but why call themselves Pink Floyd? If they
    had let it lie they could have marketed themselves as Ex-Pink Floyd and
    people would still have bought their stuff and gone to see them. Roger
    is doing alright that way. It just seems a shame to me that with only 1
    origional member of the band left, in theory they could sign up any old
    musician, keep the name going and make a fortune from the name itself.
    
    If you are fair you have to admit that DSOT was a let down and it was
    only the classic Floyd (influenced by Roger) that really got the crowd
    going at all. If you listened to AMLOR without realising that it had
    the name Pink Floyd on it i don't believe that it would have such an
    effect on you than if you knew it was Pink Floyd. I will give you an
    example. To be quite honest if Rogers next album had a single burp on
    it or something i would probably still love it. (i.e Music from the
    Body.) although i am probably exagerating. What i am trying to say is
    that perhaps nowadays too much lies in the name of the band. I dare
    say, if Roger had been present on AMLOR i probably would have loved it,
    simply for the fact that the band Pink Floyd had produced it and not a
    group calling themselves Pink Floyd.
    
    In the same way, If a group started out and called themselves Fink
    Ployd they would probably sell a certain quota of albums to people
    who have been sucked into this huge marketing outfit.
    
    I think i have waffled a bit but this is how i feel. In the same way,
    do you think that the Beatles should re-band without John Lennon and
    still be able to call themselves the Beatles?
    
    I realise there is the argument about Syd Barrett. However, if Syd had
    stayed with the group, Pink Floyd would have been finished long ago.
    Pink Floyd succeeded hugely without him. In the same way, The present
    Pink Floyd will never produce a blockbuster album again, on the same
    scale as DSOTM or The Wall. I believe that they  sell a certain quota
    of albums. If then the album is really good add to this 1-2  million.
    If the album is rubbish add nothing to this figure as it will only be
    the Floyd die hards who buy the album.
    
    I must admit to owning AMOLR although i rarely listen to it. The reason
    i got it is that i got it cheap and i wanted to hear how badly Roger
    was missed by the band, and IMO it showed.
    
    Any comments on this waffle?
    
    Regards,
    
    Rupert (8*  )

    
    
    Rupert,
    
    So what did you think of K.A.O.S. ?
    
    
    Kevin.
    

    
    Kevin,
    
    I think KAOS was the best thing that Roger has done to date as a solo
    outing. However, i still do not think that he has proved his worth to
    the masses yet. I think he was still to angered by his ex-collegues. I
    have a dodgy live version of going to live li L.A. which, from what i
    can tell, i think he should have put on the album. I think the
    storyline was a bit OTT for a 42 minute album but i love The Tide Is
    Turning. I think this song showed Roger beginning to relax once again.
    
    What did you think of the Wall Live in Berlin? I think the versions of
    mother and nobody home (especially nobody home) were the best versions
    i've heard. What did you think of KAOS? 
    
    Alot of people don't like the Pros and Cons... I think and agree that
    it was bitty but there are some classics in there. I love Ever
    Strangers Eyes. I think that perhaps that is one song that really
    represents Roger.
    
    I can't wait for the new album. I believe that he is touring as well.
    Do you support Floyd or Waters? (having not remembered what the other
    notes say.)
    
    Rupert.  (8* )

    
    Rupert,
    
    
    K.A.O.S.
    ========
    It had it's good moments, but for the most part I didn't like it. 
    "Tide is turning" stands out on its own as by far the best track on the
    album. I too have "Going to live in LA" - but it's on a CD single of 
    "Tide is turning" together with a really awful version of "Money" live
    with Mr.Carrick singing. It actually isn't a real live version, it was
    recorded in a studio and had an over excited crowd placed over the top.
    It's really off-putting !!
    
    
    Pros + Cons.
    ============
    Even worse !!  Why clapton decided to play on it I don't know !  Again,
    "Strangers Eyes" is good...it's the only part of the tape I ever listen
    to !
    
    
    AMLOR.
    ======
    Mixed feelings, some good some bad. I agree they probably went out to
    capture the "Floyd Sound" as much as possible, and in parts they've
    succeeded. 
    
    
    I've seen floyd live twice (both on the last tour) and I was impressed.
    It wasn't half as bad as the live video appeared it to be ! (It seemed
    "lazy" and "mechanical" on video, but certainly being there wasn't the
    case).  I didn't go to see Waters.
    
    
    The way I see it, each is missing each other. Gilmour and Co. need the
    lyrics and concepts where Waters misses the overall feeling of the
    music. It would be interesting to see what they could produce if they
    worked together again (and just think of the money !) - but I doubt
    that'll happen.
    
    I'm looking forward to the next Waters album. If he's calmed down a bit
    then it might be worth getting on CD - but I'll wait and see what other
    opinions are before I take the plunge !
    Is the album still to be called "Amused to death" ??  Is it still to
    have a scarfe drawing of three people (you know who) in a cocktail
    glass ???
    
    
    As for more Floyd work - how official is this? The last time I saw
    Gilmour I don't think he'd fit through the studio door !!
     
    
    Kevin.
    (sorry for being brief - gotta meeting!)
    
    
    

    `
    
    BTW:
    
    I neither "support" Floyd or Waters, I take them as they come !!
    
    I'll wait and see what the next offerings are like, see the shows, and
    enjoy myself !
    
    
    Kevin.
    

    
    
    Kevin,
    
    Thanks for the info on Going to live in LA. If you ever want to sell
    it, can i please have first refusal.
    
    I definately believe that the album is called 'Amused to Death'
    although Our price rather jokingly had it down as 'War, War is bad'.
    
    I also believe that after that Roger believes to release an opera that
    he seems to have worked on for ages, but i have no proof.
    
    As for the Floyd news, this is highly un-official and i got this info
    from Our Price also.
    
    Have you seen the video of the four songs from KAOS? What did you
    think?
    
    What do you think of the Final Cut? I think it is probably my favourite
    album of all time.
    
    Rupert  (8* )

    Kevin,
    
    As for the Scarfe drawing of three 'Floyd', if he used it he would
    probably be sued out of existence.(probably a bit exagerated) I would
    love him to use it though!
    
    Rupert (8* )
    

    Kevin,
    
    One more quick note. RE.- .107 in uk_music the video is now widely
    available in stores. It is called Las Carreras Panamaricanas but costs
    13 quid and i would not be seen dead buying it!
    
    Rupert (8* )

    
    
    Rupert,
    
    Yes, I saw the film when it was shown on Beeb2 during Christmas.
    A lot of the music is stuff off AMLOR, apart from a couple of
    unreleased blues type jams.
    
    I haven't seen the KAOS video, but if you want a copy of the studio
    version of "Live in LA" and "Money" (live) then let me know...
    
    I'll have to visit HMV and find out when the album is expected, is it
    the end of next month ??
    
    
    I *LOVE* the Final Cut (when I'm in the right mood) !!  Compare that to
    KAOS and you'll see why I don't like the latter album !
    
    
    Kevin.
    

    
    
    Rupert,
    
    Do you get "Brain Damage" ??
    
    It was a Fanzine a chap by the name of Glenn Povey used to produce a
    couple of years ago.
    
    I don't know if it's still going though, but rumours via that magazine
    were usually pretty concrete...
    
    
    Kevin.
    
    

    
    Kevin,
    
    I would *LOVE* a copy of the studio version of live in LA and Money. I
    have two bootleg albums (four tapes altogether) of Rogers concerts of
    Pros and Cons and KAOS as well as all the great oldies. However, the
    quality leaves much to be desired, but if you have a hi-fi with graphic
    equalisers you can make it bearable by turning down the treble. I think
    the concerts were recorded on a walkman type thing hence the quality. 
    If you would like a copy of these or one or anything, please let me know.
    
    Did you ever get Las Carreras Panamericanas and if so, what's it
    like.(try not to be too biased) Also have you seen the video of The
    Final Cut (four songs again)? Its not particularly brilliant but it is
    filmed in a clever war because Roger is shaded throughout giving the
    impression that he is not altogether there.
    
    Rupert  (8* )

    
    Kevin,
    
    I did not see your second note before i replied. Also forget the
    question about the video, i saw your answer.
    
    I have a few copies of Brain Damage (about 4 i think) and i have one
    with info about the new album. I can photcopy it for you if you want. I
    also have a few copies of The Amazing Pudding, the latest one being a
    few months old. I could probably send you these so you can copy what
    you want.
    
    I'm not sure where the MODS stand on bootlegs so i hope my last message
    is not deleted,
    
    Rupert  (8* )

    I happen to like "Mometary Lapse" very much and consider it better than
    good or average. I think it is a very well-crafted album, and I know
    Floyd's material very well. I would bet I've been a fan at least as
    long, if not longer, than anyone in here.
    
    As for Waters, his whole approach grates on me after a while. His "I
    suck, you suck, they suck, we all suck" personae is just too much. He's
    the "Mikey" (who hates everything) of the music biz.
    
    At least Gilmore and Mason are exploring different themes now that
    Roger isn't imposing his doomsday will. Further, I don't hold it
    against Gilmore that he wasn't the first person to play guitar in
    Floyd. In my opinion, he's Floyd's primary guitarist. Syd Barret was
    creative, but certainly not extraordinary, and blew his gray matter out
    before he even reached what limited potential he had. Gilmore, on the
    other hand, contributed to shaping the modern Floyd sound more than any
    other member of the group and deserves better than the "Floyd's other
    guitarist". Waters split the group, the rest who invested a major part
    of their lives in it decided to stick it out. Why should they not be
    allowed to call themselves Floyd. If it was just Mason with a bunch of
    studio cats, I'd say they should not call themselves Pink Floyd. But
    the presence of Gilmore makes the name claim legitimate in my view.
    
    Well, at least Waters has something he can whine loudly about.
    Otherwise, he'd have no reason to go on living at all...
    
    Brian

    I think the real irony of the matter is that if Roger had insisted on
    keeping the Floyd going Gilmour and Mason would have succeeded in
    spliting up the group and laying it to rest. However Roger, by leaving
    the group, inevitably made it possible for Gilmour and Mason to
    continue.
    
    Do you think that the 2 Vs 1 position greatly helped Gilmour and Mason
    beat Waters?
    
    Rupert  (*8 )

The greatest PF albums are the two with Syd on them and the one *about* Syd.

    Roger Waters real offering to Pink Floyd IMO was the ability to write
    concept albums and then use every track on a multitrack recorder to
    force you to get adicted to the album for months. Like how in the
    begining of the wall you here "were we came in" and at the very end of
    the album you here "isn't this" put the two togther and you got "isn't
    this were we came in". I think all his solo work is great. He gets 
    great people to perform on his albums.
    
    	As for David Gilmor he added some great musical ability. original
    sounding gutair work. I also thought his solo work was great.
    
    	Now if the new Pink Floyd could get Pete Townshend to write a
    concept album for them???
     

    
    
    Re: -1
    
    Sorry for being picky but...
    
    The Wall beginning of side one :  "...when we came in."
    	     end of side four      :  "Somebody spoke..."
    
    
    Therefore, getting "Somebody spoke when we came in" !
    
    I'm willing to be contradicted, but this is what I believe to be so...
    
    
    Kevin.
    

    OK, let's get real down and dirty here...
    
    Everyone is entitled to their opinion and mine is that PF without
    Waters is a good thing.  After "Wish You Were Here", I felt the band
    began a long downhill slide, mostly over *material*.
    
    David Gilmour did as much if not more singing as Waters in the early
    days of the band.  He also claims that he played a lot of the bass
    lines on the record as it was faster than trying to get Waters to learn
    his parts.  
    
    Gilmour claims Waters pushed Rick Wright out saying that he couldn't
    play (the guy who did the beautiful synthesizer work on "Wish You Were
    Here"....right!).  
    
    "The Final Cut" was the worst selling PF album in years.  As a followup
    to "The Wall" it was a commercial disaster.
    
    Gilmour and Wright had cowriting credits for much of the PF material
    over the years.  Waters' dominance was a relatively recent phenomenon.
    
    As far as assuming that Gilmour and Mason would have forced Waters to
    break up the band, remember we are talking 2 against 1 here.  I
    certainly see no reason why Roger Waters would have the right to "fire"
    his band mates and retain the name.  Since Waters chose to quit
    himself, his only argument is that his hopes that the others would
    retire the PF name was not fulfilled.  
    
    To my ears Gilmour and Mason were the two immediately identifiable
    members of PF.  Waters albums don't sound like PF to me simply because
    Gilmour and Mason are absent.
    
    						Brian

    
    RE.-51
    
    I don't think Roger wrote The Final Cut specifically to make the most
    amount of money he could etc.. I feel that perhaps it was something
    that he felt he wanted to do. It may sound very unlike Floyd etc.. but
    bands are not restricted by their sound. If they were they would still
    be playing as they were in Syds time, but to me that sounds too dated.
    I think that perhaps Rogers writing had matured greatly by the time he
    produced The Wall and The Final Cut. You say that the band were in a
    downhill slide after WYWH but don't for get the success of Animals and
    The Wall in terms of sales as they were both pretty successful. The
    Final Cut sold 4-5 million i think, which i would not constitute a
    commercial disaster by most standards. Just to add to this, Waters did
    approach Gilmour and Mason when they complained about the album and
    offered that it could be a Waters solo album, but Mason and Gilmour
    wanted Royalties etc. so i don't think they have the right to complain
    that much.
    
    I too have Gilmour's solo works which i think are extremely average.
    Musically they are fine but lyrically i think they are a bit of a joke.
    I find them far too easy to forget whereas i find Rogers music always
    leaves an impression whatever that may be.
    
    RE.-50  I believe that the quotes are "...isn't this where we came
    in..." I will listen again tonight and try to confirm this.
    
    
    Just for extra info, Don Henly and Jeff Beck are believed to be playing
    on Amused to Death which i think will be a good mix with Rogers sound.
    
    I also believe that one reason AMLOR was successful was that it was the
    first "FLOYD" album for five years, and this may have constituted for a
    few more sales. How well did Delicate sound of thunder do?
    
    Regards,
    
    Rupert (8* )

    BTW.- I don't think it was ever Rogers' intent to retain the name for
    himself, he would thus be a hypocrite for sueing the present 'Floyd'. I
    believe it was his intention to lay the group to rest to save himself
    from having to compete 'with himself'.
    
    There are two very good books out which are both paperback. The first
    is called Syd Barrett and i believe the author is Mike Williams
    although i can't be sure about that. The second is the book by nicholas
    schaffner which is called (i think) the making of thr Pink Floyd
    oddessy. I have read both; i have both. The schaffner book i think is
    pro-waters although if you were anti-waters it would not ruin the
    enjoyment of the book because the bias does not show up that much. It
    is just a general feeling i got having read the book.
    
    Rupert (8* )

    
    
     IMO David Gilmour IS Pink Floyd. Waters weak attempt at "The Wall"
    was really a let down. Gilmour has the touch that distinguishes the
    PF "sound". I don't think it hurt PF a bit with Waters gone. Its too
    bad he's not with them anymore, but to imply he was the backbone of
    PF is rubbish.
    
                     mike
    

    I think it is silly to belittle Rogers artistic input to the band. It
    was undoubtedly Roger who came up with the concepts for DSOTM and WYWH
    and Animals and The Wall Etc.., all huge selling albums. Rogers ability
    to add superb lyrics to music developed by the band added to the
    albums' attractivnes and undoubtedly added to the number of sales.     
    Gilmours solo offerings were nowhere near as strong as these albums,  
    although you can argue neither were Rogers.
    
    IMO Roger was more Pink Floyd than David Gilmour.
    
    Rupert  (8* )

    
     I'm not trying to belittle RW at all. All I was saying is that IMO his
    production of "The Wall" was awful, both in the bit parts of the people
    that played parts and just the overall production. I kinda got the im-
    pression that at the time PF had a hugely successful album out without
    him and he chose that time to say "Oh yea, well this is what I can do",
    and it didn't show me anything at all except that he was a part and
    only a part of the big picture of PF. I wish he were still with PF, but
    I grew real tired of his comments about PF and his ego after he left,
    quit, got kicked out, whatever of the band. I think he is very talented
    but I don't think PF lost anything with him gone.
    
                                                       mike
    

    
    I hate getting into this debate, but Mike, "the production of 'The
    Wall' was awful?"  C'mon.
    
    One of the key elements of "The Wall," for me, is that you have to
    listen to it *all* together, not in separate songs.  I hate when radio
    stations even bother to play "a cut."  It just doesn't work.  You've
    really got to take a few hours out of the day and let the whole thing
    rip - that's when you realize how great it is (an interesting side note
    is that the only songs that may be partially acceptable as a single are
    the ones David wrote).
    
    I think the split sucks.  But I also loathe David for carrying on the
    PF name.  AMLOR and DSOT both sound like "About Face" outtakes.  Pretty
    mediocre stuff.  That's not to put down Gilmour - I have his solo 
    material - but he's not PF and the "new" PF isn't either.  All in my
    opinion, of course.
    
    I guess this is an eternal debate.  I'm never going to understand
    how anyone can NOT think "Final Cut" is awesome, and people are never
    going to understand how I think AMLOR is boring.  And on and on...
    Some folks are going to be excited about new 3/4-Pink-Floyd CD's
    and some folks are going to look forward to "Amused To Death."  Some
    will anticipate both!
    
    In the end, David and Roger combined to make a great band (even
    "Animals" cranked), the likes of which won't be duplicated by either
    tangential effort.  But only one side of the fight is admitting so.
    
    - Sean

    RE.-56  As far as i believe, it was never Rogers intention to perform
    the concert at any particular time. When he was approached by Leonard
    Cheshire about doing the show, Roger stated that he would not do it
    until the Berlin Wall came down. i.e. Until pigs can fly! whoops. It
    was purely by chance that the wall came down three weeks later and the
    concert could thus be put on.
    
    I also find it hard to criticise a show of such enormouse scale such
    that the technology failures had nothing to do with Roger. As for his
    guests, i presume he was trying to satisfy the whole spectrum of music
    listeners by having such a wide range of support bands etc..
    
    To me the show was a piece of music/theatre history and i suppose if i
    was ever approached to do something like that i would not turn it down
    very easily. O.K., perhaps a side effect was that Rogers name is now
    more widely known, but there's no harm in that is there?
    
    Rupert (8* )

    
    personally, after listening to Roger whine in an interview, i can't
    see how anyone would not conclude that this guy is a total jerk, but
    then again JMO. I find his lyrics to be usually very silly.
    
    Now, i've said many a time here that there's plenty of jerks in rock
    music and one should not judge the music by the personality, but I've
    just not been able to get past Roger.
    
    I do find that i do like Dave Gilmores guitar playing a lot. I can even
    respect the honesty in going around and asking other writers if they
    could create some "Pink Floyd" like lyrics.  Says plenty about Roger's
    input IMO.
    
    
    bob

    I'd Very_Much appreciate if Some_One would Vax_Mail me the words to
    the song"The_Final_Cut".
    This is the most Soul_Wrenchin_Song I've ever heard.
    
                     Crazy_Thanx_Al

    RE.- 60 consider it done.
    
    Has anybody heard When the wind blows (Rogers music in it) and what did
    you think. I have it but don't listen to it nearly as much as i would
    like to. I think it is great and i wish parts of KAOS were more like
    it. I once read something that said it was right up Rogers Armeggedon
    alley, which i thought was quite amusing.
    
    Has Rick Wright been re-instated into the 'new' Pink Floyd or is he
    still on a wage?
    
    Has anybody seen the film of The Body, if so, what is it like?
    
    
    Rupert  (8* )
    
    
    P.s.  Roger is King!
    
    

    Re: .61, Rick Wright
    
    According to a recent interview with Gilmour, Wright is still on salary
    as he did not want to enter into the financial risks that Gilmour and
    Mason are party to (including lawsuits from Roger Waters!).  Ah, the
    joys of the music biz.  So much for the hippie dream....
    
    						Brian

    Re.62, lawsuits from Roger Waters
    
    Do you not think that Roger has given up trying to sue the new floyd
    out of existence? I would think he has and i hope it shows in his new
    album where we will hear celestial organ chords and blistering guitars
    once again!
    
    Rupert  (8* )

    Don't mean to sidetrack the topic back to Syd but...
    
    Does anyone own "Barrett" or "Opel" and is the production/quality of
    these albums as good as "The Madcap Laughs"? 
    
    I used to have TML on vinyl. Sorry I still don't.
    
    I see that "Barrett" is available out of Japan on CD!
                        

    I have all three on CD. IMO Barrett is the best sound quality, TML is
    second and Opel comes third. However, Opel was not released to be Syd's
    third studio album but rather a collection of out_takes
     TML is probably a better album then Barrett despite IMO the poorer
    sound quality.
    
    They are all available here in Britain on mid-price labels.
    
    Regards,
    
    Rupert  (8* )
    

Barrett out-takes?

    What i meant was that many of them were left untouched so as not to
    sound like a typical studio album. i.e Syd talks (quite off his head)
    quite alot before starting a song. (classic one being in the middle of
    a song, he stops, groans,sniffs, turns the page of music and starts playing
    again)
    
    I don't know if this is what you were driving at.
    
    Regards,
    
    Rupert.  (8* )
    

The other Syd albums give a distinct impression that he was pretty much 
raving and the job of his buddies was to come in after he'd recorded the
songs and paste some structure on top of them.  I guess I meant that both
the other albums -- which I truly love -- sound pretty off-handed.

    Also available in Britain (and I think in the US) is an Alan Duffy
    produced tribute to Syd, on the Imaginary Label, featuring various
    bands doing Syd's songs. 
    
    It's called, "Beyond the Wildwood: A Tribute to Syd Barrett." 
    
    
    --Wes
    

    I don't have it but i have heard that it is really quite good.
    
    Any views?
    
    Rupert.

    I would recommend it for the Barrett aficianado. 
    
    It's a tribute to both his solo work and his days with Floyd. 

    re: Pink Floyd vs Roger Waters
    
    When I want to relax but still want something to really "listen" to I
    put on Pink Floyd 
    
    When I need something to terribly depress me I could put on some ROGER
    "I'M SO PITIFUL" WATERS...But I put on some old Neil Young instead, at
    least he's got heart.
    
    FJE

    Neil Young doesn't hold a candle to Roger Waters. IMO...
    
               Friz
    

    
    OK, in case I missed it, just which two Floyd albums include Syd
    Barrett?  I'd like to fill out my collection with some of the early
    stuff.
    
    BTW, I picked up Animals this week and am absolutely addicted.  I can't
    believe that I'd ignored this one for 15 years.  Track 4 (Sheep) is a
    work of art, and for me, epitomizes the classic Floyd sound; eerie
    beginning, building to several crescendos, and finishing with a
    tremendous climax.  Great stuff!
    
    Ed

The two Syd albums are Piper at the Gates of Dawn and Saucerful of Secrets.

I think these two have been repackaged as A Nice Pair.  I'm not sure of
the distribution of songs, but there were some Syd singles as well that you
might find on Relics.

The Syd songs will probably jump out at you, but these are two damn good
albums.  

    Re: .75
    
    Syd's contribution to "Saucerful" is small.  He has some writing credit
    but I believe he's not playing on it at all.  
    
    BTW, those who like Syd should check out Kevin Ayers, another UK
    oddball songwriter.  His credentials include being a founding member of
    Soft Machine and having Mike Oldfield in his band (on bass!) when Mike
    was 16 or so.  On his fourth LP "Bananamour", there is even a tribute
    to Syd called "O Wot A Dream".  Naturally, you can't get any of his
    albums in the US anymore 8^(
    
    Any UK/Euro noters know if he's done anything since 1980 or so?  The
    last album I picked up from Ayers was dated 1978 I think.
    
    							Brian

    "Saucerful" has one Barrett song (and I believe Barrett is singing it). 
    Yes, it will jump out at you.  The rest of the album is already tedious
    later-Pink-Floyd-type stuff.
    
    "Piper" is all Barrett except for one grating number by whatzisname. 
    Can be a little hard to take if you're not in the mood for elves and
    bicycles, though.
    
    The best Pink Floyd recordings are the Barrett singles -- "Arnold
    Layne", "Candy & A Currant Bun", "Scream Thy Last Scream", "Apples &
    Oranges", and "See Emily Play" are the pinnacle of pop psychedelia, not
    nearly as twee as the album -- and I can't forgive the jerks in charge
    of the bandname for not packaging 'em all with "Piper" on a CD.  A few
    of them were put on "Relics" (which is now out of print, I think), but
    the rest have been unavailable for a decade or so...  
    
    Ray

"The Piper at the Gates of Dawn" is the title of a quite mystical/beautiful
chapter in The Wind in the Willows.

Piper is one of the most embarrassing CDs I've ever bought.  I find it painful
to listen to...  The only song I like at all is {something} overdrive.  

Tim

    Re. -1
    
    "Intersteller Overdrive" I think... and I agree, the record wasn't
    too good.
    
    Scotty

    Just for info, the new Roger Waters single should be out this week or
    next week. It is titled "What God wants God Gets" and the b-side is
    called "Monkey Telivision"
    
    Can't wait!
    
    Rupert (8* )

    
    
    Rupert,
    
    Are you sure about this ??
    
    I asked HMV on Saturday about a Waters Album being released towards the
    end of this month and all I got were blank looks. (THey did check on
    some listing they had).
    
    But then...perhaps the Album will be in September.
    
    Ho-hum,
    
    Kevin.
    
    
    PS - Local TV (TVS) showed "Live from Pompeii" last night 1-2am, it
         was pretty good to see though !
    
    
    

    
    
    So where did you hear about the single ?
    
    k.
    

    I went into HMV in Richmond, and they had it on their computer database
    as a forthcoming release (single that is) for the next couple of weeks
    although the date was not specified. I did go into hmv in Oxfors street
    last week and they didn't have a clue as did Tower Records. One
    possible explanation is that it might have been delayed because they
    are filmimg a video to go with it and the video has been given a huge
    budget because CBS were so impressed by the music.
    
    One extra quote i heard was from a guy called Munzoz or something, who
    said that he was willing to bet that if they could call the new album
    Pink Floyd then it would sell 10 million in this country alone.
    Apparently he is not a betting man.
    
    When Roger did Expo 92 last year he apparently performed the title of
    the single and one other. I watched it on TV but it was probably edited
    out.
    
    The Monkey Television song is along the same lines as Springsteen's 57
    channels(and nothing on) but apparently is not nearly as polite!
    
    One extra snippet, Floyd are planning an album for the beginning of
    next year, as long as Gilmour can get in the studio and still breathe.
    
    I'll go to OUr Price at Lunch and try and get a update.
    
    Regards,
    
    Rupert. (8* )

    Our Price have only got down a September release for 'Amused to Death'.
    However, normally a single is released 3-4 weeks before an album so i
    am still living in hope that it will be sooner rather than later.
    
    I was very sad to see the death of Leonard Cheshire VC recently. He was
    the man who made the Berlin Concert reality, Roger agreed to do it
    because he was the only true Christian he had ever met. Obviously, this 
     is way down his lists of merits, but that's how i got to know about him
    (showing my age now!).
    
    Regards,
    
    Rupert. (8* )
    
    P.s. Is that offer of a copy of Going to live in LA still open? 

    
    
    Rupert,
    
    Yup...offer still open. Actually I have :
    
    
    CD Single  -  Tide is turning
    	          Money "live"  
    	          Get back to radio  (unreleased)
    
    12"	       -  Radio Waves (extended mix)
    		  Radio Waves (album version)
    		  Going to live in LA
    
    
    ...and a few other boots which I probably shouldn't detail.
    
    
    wanna fire over a tape?
    
    
    
    Thanks for the info on the Waters stuff...
    
    
    Kevin.
    
    

    I spoke to a friend last night who said she was sure that the new
    Waters single was played on Radio 1 this weekend one evening. She may
    have been mistaken because she is not a Floyd/Waters fan but if this is
    correct it could be that the single will be released very shortly. She
    said that it was an exclusive (whatever that means). I will try
    harrassing a few record shops to try and get some details.
    
    Rupert. (8* )

    RE: .76 (RICKS::ROST) - Kevin Ayers...
    
    I think Ayers did release an album sometime around 1980 too - I recall
    vaguely seeing it then - that was about the time of my musical
    awakening.  Think it had a pink cover ?  Or did the release you were
    thinking of in the 1978 have a pink cover ?
    
    Bananamour is a classic.
    
    \chuck

    As i was shuffling around at home, i came across a book called
    'Knebworth Rock Festivals' by Chryssie Lytton Cobbold (the owner of
    Knebworth House). I thought it might be an idea to transcribe the
    chapter on the 1975 concert which was headed by Pink Floyd. It would
    give people a chabce, who went, to relate it to their own experience of
    the event.
    
    "After a long and boring delay of two hours, as the sun set over the
    park, Pink Floyd, the number one exponents of psychedelic rock, came on
    stage. There could not have been a more spectacular start. The giant
    stage 15ft above the crowd was bathed in beams of light and at times
    obscured from view behind blasts of green smoke and shimmering volleys
    of fireworks exploded in time with each musical climax. Then came the
    moment everyone was waiting for:a rocket like projectile, held on a
    60ft mast at the rear of the arena, was finally released and careered
    down a long wire over the heads of the crowd to the stage to be met by
    an organic burst of sound from the group and a wild roar from their
    audience.
    
    They didn't let anyone down. The show was highly professional, very
    entertaining and just what the fans wanted. The sound was good, their
    own PA being augmented by three other two and a half kilowatt PA
    stations on towers amidst the audience. The second set was sensational,
    composed entirely of 'Dark Side Of The Moon.' A large back projection
    was used, a circular screen on which images and films relevant to the
    music were projected with great precision. When 'Money' was performed,
    we saw great piles of coins tumbling down and tapes of jangling cash
    registers. It all added to the amazing show. When they returned for an
    encore and performed 'Echoes' everyone was on their feet.
    
    Ten years later i still think Pink Floyd put on the best show i have
    ever seen at Knebworth or anywhere for that matter, but the reviews
    were disappointing.
    
    
    Any coments?
    
    Rupert.
    

    
    I have just been to Our Price and they said the new single is out on
    MONDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Guess who will be in the shop when it opens?

    I heard the new Waters single the other day on the radio...
    
    I was bored about half way though it... I didn't pay much attention to
    the lyrics, but I'm sure they were quite interesting.  But the music
    just didn't cut it for me.  
    
    Thank goodness he isn't running around calling himself "Pink Floyd".
    
    Later...
    Steve
    

    The Radio_Stations(well,some of em)are playin"What_God_Wants".
    I've heard it 3 times,and I hate to admit that(For a Waters Tune)
    it doesn't grab me at all.The Lyrics are very neutral.As in God
    wants War,God wants peace..etc..
    IMHO,it's a very"safe"song for Waters.
    I know he must really lash out on other songs..but this doesn't
    sound like a cut that will get much Air_Play for long on the 
    Commercial_Stations.     I don't know if that was his goal,this time
    around(I would think it might be)but the kids Ain't gonna buy this on.
    F*ck em,Right?:-)
    It has the same Wall/Final_Cut sound to me.Complete with black female
    singers and Crowd_Hollerin in the Back_Ground.
    
    I Don't know...This one is a dissapointment so far to me.
    
              Crazy_Gotta_Hear_More-Al

    It's interesting what you say. I feel that perhaps Roger compromised
    too much on KAOS, and that perhaps he might have been forced to
    compromise on his first single. I know Monkey Telivision, the B side is
    apparently along the lines of Springsteens 57 channels and nothing on,
    but is supposidly no where near as polite.
    
    I have high hopes for the new album, and i will buy the single anyway,
    but i do hope that he has produced an album that he wanted to and has
    not had to compromise too much.
    
    Roger IS Pink.
    
    Rupert.

    
    
    Roger IS Pink ???
    
    I disagree...Syd's the man. Without him, none of this would have been
    around.
    
    
    Kevin.
    
    

    But,,,
    
    Would we be here discussing Pink Floyd and Roger Waters if Syd had not
    be ousted?? I very much doubt it. I know for sure a certain Mr Gilmour
    would probably not be as rich and famous as he is today if Syd had
    stayed.
    
    IMHO
    
    Rupert.
    
    P.S. Roger IS Pink. - IMHO

    It's true that there's no Love or 13th Floor Elevators topic in MUSIC.
    
    Ray

Ray,

You'll be interested to know that Jonathan Richman, in an interview in the
current Monk, states that his two main 60s influences were the Velvet 
Underground and the Lovin' Spoonful.  I'm particularly keen on that because
I've been listening to a lot of Velvet Underground lately (way more than
I ever did "then") and I'll be dagnabbed if the Lovin' Spoonful influence 
isn't everywhere.

Rathole Rat

    
    I've just been silently "listening" here for a little while, but I
    think I should add my $.02 now, FWIW:
    
    In my opinion, Pink Floyd's heyday, their best albums musically
    speaking, started with Dark Side Of The Moon and continued through to
    The Final Cut.  While I like A Momentary Lapse Of Reason, I don't think
    it's as good as the earlier stuff.  However, I'm not convinced that
    this is a direct result of Roger's leaving the band, though that is a
    partial reason.  It could be that the level of creativity was being
    exhausted over time, and that post-Wall Floyd would have deteriorated
    (musically speaking) whether Roger had stayed or not.
    
    As far as solo albums go, I have Pros And Cons Of Hitchhiking, Radio
    K.A.O.S. and Gilmour's About Face.  I think Pros and Cons was a step
    down from the Final Cut (which some might say was a step down from The
    Wall...)  KAOS was a further step down.  I haven't listened to these
    albums very much, though (particularly KAOS which I just bought
    recently -- used) so maybe I'm not qualified to comment too much.
    
    Gilmour's About Face is a good album by itself, but it doesn't even
    compare to any of the Floyd albums I've heard (I haven't heard much of
    the early stuff yet).  Two of the stronger songs on the album were
    written or co-written by Pete Townsend of the Who.
    
    Enough of my opinions for now...
    
    --Brian
    

    Well,
    
    The new single is now out!! The three tracks are
    
    		1) What God Wants Part 1 (special video edit)
    
    		2) What God Wants part 1 (album version)
    
    		3) What God Wants part 3 (taken from album)
    
    
    My opinion:-
    
    Musically is is stronger than Radio Waves was. (perhaps not difficult)
    The album version is much better than the vieo edit, because the video
    edit misses the great build up. The third track is the best, with
    blistering guitar solos etc. and i hate to admit it, but it sounds like
    the best parts of a certain Rogerless Floyd album, but with better
    lyrics and a FUNNY ending. I always knew he had a sense of humour!!
    
    Summary:-
    
    I like it very much. Shows more promise than Radio Waves ever did and
    is really musical in parts. Sound effects created by Qsound are quite
    amazing, probably state of the art.
    
    The cover:-
    
    No Martini glass with three drowning men. Ther is a monkey standing on
    a TV with rogers face on it. Possible album cover shown inside. Again
    no martini glass.A monkey watching a television with just an eye
    showing on the TV
    
    Finally:-
    
    I love it!

    Goddamn, that's perfect.  I think I'd crossed the Velvets with just
    about everything else to try to explain the Modern Lovers, but I just
    never came up with the Lovin' Spoonful. Pretty reprehensible given how
    much I listen to "Do You Believe in Magic" and "Darling Be Home Soon"
    and "Coconut Grove".
    
    Rathole Ray

    
    Roger Waters will be on Rock Line tonight for a 2 hour interview.
        
    John

    Did anyone see it? What was it like and did it play some new songs from
    the album??
    
    By the way, in the UK here, the single seems to be selling well and has
    even been recommended in some shops.
    
    Anyone have their viws on the single?
    
    Rupert.

    I just heard that What God Wants was on Radio 1 this morning in a
    competition they hold tosee which song they will play every day next
    week. What God Wants did not win, BUT it didn't come last!!! Can't be
    that bed then. Watch out "Pink Floyd" your under attack!!
    
    Roger IS Pink.
    
    Rupert.

    
    Anyone remember an album called "Ummaguma"(sp?)?
    

    
    	Yea, great album. I believe it had several excellent cuts, Echoes
    One of these days and I forget the rest. It was released about '72'.
    I wish I still had a copy of it myself.
    
    			fred deady
    			wbc::deady
    

    
    Thank you.  '72 or '73 would be about right.
    
    I had wondered if perhaps I had hallucinated it.  I remember one very
    strange song called "Several Small Animals Sitting in a Cave
    Grooving with a Pict."  Or something.  Never did figure it out.
    
    Helen

...you're talking about.
Echoes and One of these days are on 'Meddle'.

Ummagumma is a double LP, with one live record (where the covers of the
Syd Barret's song are far from being good, the only interest is the cover
of the quite hard to find 'Take care of that axe Eugene').
The other record is made of solo songs of each member of the band, nothing
really interesting. The 'less worst' :-) songs of the one of the drummer Nick
Mason.

Really one of the worst Pink Floyd LP : up to now, I've never found someone
that could have listened to it from the beggining till the end. 

Didier

Well, the "Pict" song is on Ummgumma.

The worst Floyd album (not counting later non-Floyd albums)
is Atom Heart Mother.

    For some unknown reason, the compilation "A Nice Pair", which was
    nominally the albums "Piper at the Gates of Dawn" and "A Saucerful of
    Secrets" combined, used the live "Ummagumma" version of "Astronomy Domine"
    instead of the original Barrett version from "Piper...".
    
    Grrrrrrrr!
    
    - Dave

    re.
    
     That's "Several Species Of Small Fury Animals Gathered Together In A
    Cave And Groovin' with a Pict"
     and "Careful With That Axe Eugene"
    
     I just heard the new Roger Waters song and I think what God wants
    is for Roger to either start writing good music again or get out of the
    business. Other than the guitar I think (IMO) that the song is awful.
    I would have said stinks, but awful is a good enough description.
    
     - Steve S.

    Well,
    
    IMHO, What God Wants, is probably one of Rogers best solo pieces to
    date. He is now settling down and writing good rock music. This isn't
    an immediate reaction to the song. I bought it the day it came out and
    have listened to it in great depth. Every time i listen to it,
    something new pops out at me. Did you hear the What god wants part 3.
    This is probably slightly better with two great guitar solos that
    remind me of Comfortably numb. Did you pick up the Echoes blip at the
    beginning?
    
    I look forward to the album and i hope Roger never shuts up! I only
    wish the band people still call "Pink Floyd" would!, but i suspect we
    wont hear much from them in a long time.Not a bad effort, 1 new "real" 
    album in about 10 years, is it? (sarcasm rips through there!)
    
    No, sorry, IMHO
    
    Roger IS Pink.
    
    Rupert.

    
    
    Re Steve.
    
     I agree with you. IMO Waters' new song is way lame! I don't really
    have anything good to say about it. I'm really disappointed with this
    new song, I expected much more.
    
                                     mike
    

    
     Unfortunately, IMO, the creative talent Roger Waters had as a member
    of Pink Floyd seems to have been lost somewhere in his solo efforts.
    In listening to both Pink Floyd after RW (yes, IMO they deserve the
    right to use the PF moniker) and RW's solo work it's evident that to
    produce true Floyd music they all depended on each other. It's like
    leaving an ingredient out of a recipe - something just doesn't taste
    right. Let's face it, when you're in a group everyone contribute's
    (no matter how small a contribution it may be depends on an individuals
    veiwpoint) to the music/sound the band makes. And everyone knows what 
    a good producer can do (a garage band ends up sounding like a
    symphony). IMO, Roger Waters is stuck - his creativity stagnated and
    his new song show's just how stagnated he is. Maybe he should stop
    trying to "compete" with PF and just be himself - he might just end
    up putting out something decent (again). 
    
    
     - Steve S.

    There seems to be two distinct camps among the "Floyders". One is that
    Roger Waters is Floyd and that there cannot be a Floyd without Waters.
    The other camp is that Waters was a fly in the ointment and that Floyd
    will flourish without him.
    
    I happen to be in the second camp... Having only heard the version of
    "Want God Wants" on the radio, I am totally underwhelmed. I find it to
    be a totally lackluster example of songwriting and performing.
    
    As I said earlier in this reply chain, I think Waters has been to the
    "angst watering hole" a few times too often. I believe that he is
    totally in a rut, unable to make music unless he has something to bitch
    and moan about. Roger's bass playing has always been very average. His
    voice is no better than average - it is limited in range of both pitch
    and emotion. The type of song he sings best is one of total anguish,
    like someone who's been lost walking in the woods for days and discovered
    that they just went in a big circle.
    
    There is nothing that I've heard so far that suggests that Waters is
    able to put his past behind him and to get on with making music. I find
    another Waters catharsis to be a very boring prospect indeed.
    
    Brian

    A lot of this talk about "Roger IS Floyd" vs. "Dave IS Floyd" vs. "Syd
    IS Floyd" reminds me of the breakup of the Beatles, where all the
    ex-Beatles solo albums for years were panned as not being up to snuff. 
    In retrospect, many of them were nearly as good as the group stuff and
    fail mostly in not having the others' stuff to contrast with.  Remember
    all that "Paul's solo stuff has no balls" argument?  Well, what about
    "Your Mother Should Know", "Martha My Dear", "Maxwell's Silver Hammer",
    etc.?  Not exactly profound, heavy statements those!  In the PF case,
    it's almost like Roger is John and Dave is Paul and they are having the
    same catfights in the press that Lennon and Macca had.  Let's wait and
    see what's shakin' in ten more years.
    
    						Pete Best

    Here follows the first review of the new Waters album that i have seen.
    
    Roger Waters
    AMUSED TO DEATH
    (Columbia 468761)
    
    After two patch attempts to match the splendour of his work with Pink
    Floyd, Roger Waters has come close with Amused To Death. Pouring scorn 
    on global conflict, the potentially disastrous power of television,    
    and with Jeff Beck looking after guitar duties, Waters has backed up   
    his angry rhetoric with a collection of memorablesongs. The wistful    
    Watching TV features a shared vocal with Don Henley. Late Home Tonight, 
    with its dark imagery of US pilots over the English countryside,
    borrows its acoustic introduction from the Floyd's Goodbye Blue Sky.   
    And even rubber-lipped West End tunesmith Andrew Lloyd-Webber gets     
    dragged into the dock for a caustic dressing-down during It's A
    Miracle. While little one-paced n parts, Amused To Death is Waters'    
    best outing since The wall and makes for grim but compulsive listening.
    
    **** (four blocks out of five = Try It!!!)
    
    
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    I don't feel that Roger should have the sole right to the name Pink
    Floyd. I would have felt far more satisfied though if all members
    agreed to finish the group and then just refer to each other as RW of
    Pink Floyd or DG of Pink Floyd. That way the identity problem is
    overcome and the musical talents of the individuals can shine on.....
    
    
    Roger, Syd, Dave, Nick and Rick WERE Pink Floyd. (IMHO)
    
    Rupert.
    
    P.S. Promising review hey!! (please save judgement until you hear the
    album. Everyone knows that singles are for the kiddies and the ego of
    the record companies.)

    
    I'm on my fourth pass through 'Amused to Death' now and I'd say it's
    Waters' best (best = most Floyd-like) work yet.  It's very Wall-like in
    places, with lots of chorus and choir.  Jeff Beck sounds like he's
    trying to sound like Gilmour a bit, which isn't such a bad idea.
    
    So far, I love it more and more with each pass.  As with most of
    Waters/Floyd music, listening to singles really don't do the work
    justice.  You really have to pay attention and run the album from
    beginning to end.
    
    Ed

    
    Unfortunately for us brits, the album is not out until Monday.
    
    Any other reviews/comments of the album??
    
    Rupert.

    This review is taken from the October issue of Q Magazine.
    
    Amused To Death is Roger Waters's third solo album. It follows a period
    of difficult legal negotiations with the current members of Pink Floyd,
    and it sound more like a Pink Floyd album than anything he has done alone
    before. It is the brother of The Wall, perhaps even the distant cousin of
    Dark Side Of The Moon, which should delight the fans of those albums.
    Then again, there will be nothing here to dissuade those who think of  
    Waters's music-making as terminally adolescent.
    
    In the absence of the band, Waters rigs up some strikin studio
    partnerships : Don Henley joins him on vocals for Watching TV, the
    Natonal Philomonic Orchestra leaps in for Too Much Rope, and Rita      
    Coolridge pops up in the title track. Jeff Beck, meanwhile, is all     
    over the show, lending a toght solo to Three Wishes and a deft piece   
    of string-tourturing on It's A Miracle. And yes, the tracks all
    flow into one another. At one point, Waters sings "Lloyd Webber's awful
    stuff runs for years and years". Some may regard this as a bit rich,   
    coming from the man who almost single-handedly fashioned the concept
    album, and still fancies making one in 1992.
    
    Amused To Death is dedicated to Private William Hibbard, a Royal
    Fusilier who died in World War 1. It opens wih The Ballard Of Bill     
    Hubbard, a bed of lush synthesizers and sound effects over which comes
    some slyly bent guitar notes courtesy of Beck. Meanwhile, a fusilier   
    recalls Hubbard's death in the trenches. Then some chimps squeal and   
    we're of into the menacing thump of What God Wants, which sets the tone 
    and pace of much that will follow.
    
    Lyrically the album is a catalogue of sixth-form cliches - the futility
    of war, the mindlessness of television, the ubiquity of American fast  
    food. Stanley Kubrick's 2001 makes a guest appearence ("the monkey sat 
    on the pile of stones/ and stared at the broken bones in his hand");   
    you thought that movie was fantastic when you were 17, and Waters      
    apparently still does. And when the title track resolves into gentler,
    major tones for pretty much the first time, Waters continues in his    
    themes as if he hadn't noticed - "the little ones sit by their TV
    screens/ No thought to think".
    
    The record is, needless to say, beautifully recorded, lavish in the
    depth and richness of its sounds. Occassionally the music falls away   
    to nothing much but moody synth across which come snatches of talk,    
    of televisions playing as if in other rooms, or of children playing    
    and shouting. This conforms Amused To Death's status as a late example
    of what used to be called "a headphones album" Waters's singng voice   
    seems to have this in mind - it is the quiet croak of someone with
    their eyes closed.
    
    Still, the album has at least one redeeming functional application.
    There's a handy home stero hint written among the sleevenotes: "If the 
    dog barking at the beginning of the record doesn't sound like he's in  
    the yard next door, then your speakers are out of phase". Quite. ** (two
    stars = average, caution advised)
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Rupert. 

    I have heard the song "What God wants, God gets" and I liked the
    main hook of the song and Jeff Beck's playing , there I was cranking
    this new tune...then Roger Waters started his croaking and angst
    ridden moaning...Ruined the song IMHO. After buying The Final Cut,
    Radio Kaos, Pro's and Cons of Hitchiking, and Momentary Lapse
    of Reason, I'd have to say Pink Floyd lives on and Waters ought
    to get out of his rut and move on. Gilmor is Pink and Waters like
    Syd. will fade into oblivion. JMHO
    
     JT

I suppose there is a little mispelling :

>>> Gilmor is Pink and Waters like  Syd. will fade into oblivion.

You surely meant :

Syd is Pink and Waters just like Gilmour will fade into oblivion 
;-)

Just compare 'Barret', 'The Madcap laughs' and 'Opal' more than 20 years
after to The Final Cut, Radio Kaos, Pro's and Cons of Hitchiking to see who 
will be forgotten first...

But here too, it's just my humble opinion, you know that us,frenchies, we
always liked loosers and we must be the only ones to still idolize Syd
Barret, Roky Erickson, Peter Green, Brian Wilson or Sky Saxon.

Didier

    Well, it looks like Waters is here to stay!
    
    The new album came out yesterday and is simply stunning. I know i am
    biased, but, the album is a revelation and must rate as one of the best
    works he has ever done. If you don't believe me, ask anyone who has
    heard it. The single is totally unrepresentitive of the album although
    it does fit particularly well into the album.
    
    Has anyone else heard it?
    
    What do you think?
    
    Rupert.

    Bought the album on Saturday. Very good, in places brilliant. Except
    for `What God Wants', which I don't think fits in well with the rest of
    the album, musically, and aside from which I think this particular
    song is rubbish. Best song for me is the opener - `The Ballad of Bill
    Hubbard'. The album is full of `Floydian slips' - if you like Pink
    Floyd (pre-Momnetary Lapse), you'll like this album.
    
    Phil Gill.
    
    P.S. Qsound doesn't seem to make much difference.

    
    My nominee for the most Wall-like track is number 5, 'The Bravery of
    Being Out of Range'.
    
    Best song on the album is track 3/4, 'It All makes Perfect Sense'.
    
    Ed

I nominate Watching TV as the most different song Rog has ever written, 
and is one of my favourite tracks on the album. Probably my favourite 
tracks are Perfect sense 1 and 2.

    I've gotta say, I think this is a really great album!  I didn't
    like it at first listen but then Roger has always been like that
    for me.  I think his songs & instrumentation have a lot of depth.

    "What God Wants" has grown on me, I now see it as very integral
    to the album.  Beck is an added bonus.

    Roger's definitely up to his old tricks, in grand style.  A
    timely album (unfortunately).

I recently acquired the promotional video for What God Wants II that 
was distributed by CBS. The video starts with the title and the date 
of 30th July 1992. (i think this is when they started recording the 
video, but don't take my word for it)

The video lasts for 5.02 minutes i think and starts from where the 
young boy talks about watching war on tv.

The video is in much the style of Peter Gabriels Sledgehammer video 
although all the shots of Roger and Jeff Beck are in Black & White, 
with the monkeys etc in colour.

I think things happen too fast on the video and thus is quite 
confusing. Towards the end (the bits they don't show on tv) the shots 
of Roger and Jeff are longer and it is slightly mor coherent.

I wouldn't say it was a particularly good video and from what i hear 
the budget was, it is slightly disappointing.

I also acquired the limited edition single which contains two extra 
prints. One print is the single cover, the other the album cover. A 
bit of a waste of space really.

Finally, i acquired an advanced promotional cd single of the single 
and this is identicle to the released single except the cd number is 
APCD 2 instead of the usual pile of figures. Also the sleeve has 
COLUMBIA written across it rather than the release cover.


I've dipped into collecting in the past, and these sort of items 
fetch good money. Except for the video, i can't really think why.


I also heard that there is a distinct difference between Holophonics 
and Qsound. Apparently Holophonics is designed for headphone use 
whilst Qsound works only on speakers. Don't know how true this is.

Any news on a possible tour, or how the album is selling??


Cheers,

Rupert.

    Hello world,
    
    I need some help with this *great* last album from Roger : as I'm a
    french listener, I've some trouble understanding what the old man is
    saying, at the beginning and at the end of the album.
    
    But I'm sure YOU can help me.
    So, thanks a lot in advance,
    Jean-Pierre.

Jean-Pierre,

These are the words said by the old man in the song 'The Ballard of 
Bill Hubbard'

" Two things that have haunted me most are the days when i had to 
collect the paybooks; and when i left Bill Hubbard in no-man's-land.
I was picked up and taken into their trench and i'd no sooner taken 
two or three steps down the trench when i heard a call; 'Hello Razz, 
i'm glad to see you. This is my second night here,' he said, 'and i'm 
feeling bad'. It was Bill Hubbard, one of the men we'd trained in 
England; one of the original battalion. I had a look at his wound, 
rolled him over; I could see it was probably a fatal wound. You could 
imagine what pain he was in, he was dripping with sweat; and after 
i'd gone about three shellholes, traversed that, had it been...had 
there been a path or a road i could have done better. He pummelled me 
down, 'put me down, put me down, i'd rather die, put me down.' I was 
hoping he would faint. He said 'I can't go any further, let me die.' 
I said 'If i leave you here Bill you won't be found, let's have 
another go.' He said 'Alright then.' and the same thing happened; he 
couldn't stand it any more, and i had to leave him there, in 
no-man's-land."

(switch of channels)
"i don't mind about the war.....(etc)



At the end of the album the old man says:- (Alf Razzel is his name)

"Years later i saw Bill Hubbards name on the memorial to the missing 
at Aras, and i ...when i saw his name i was absolutely transfixed; it 
was as though he was now a human being instead of some nightmarish 
memory of how i ahd to leave him, all those years ago. And i felt 
relieved, ever since then i've felt happier about it, bacause always 
before, whenever i thought of him, i said to myself, 'was there 
something else i could have done?' and that always sort of worried 
me. And having seen him, and his name in the register - as you know 
there's a little safe, there's a register in there with every name - 
and seeing his name and his name on the memorial; it sort of 
lightened my heart if you like."

(woman) "When was it that you saw his name on the memorial?"

(Alf) "Ah, when i was eighty-seven, that would be the year, 
ninete..eighty-four, nineteen eighty-four."



Regards,

Rupert.

    
    
    		Thanks a lot !,
    					And enjoy MUSIC !
    
    Jean-Pierre.

Just for those of you who haven't heard Pink Floyd are releasing a 
'limited edition' box set of remastered albums. It will also include 
a cd of early singles and a booklet. It is called Shine on.. and has 
been reportedly priced at around $100 and �125. Could this be the 
last Pink Floyd release?..........


Rupert

    
    
    
    
    
    They're also releasing a video disk: "La Carrera Panamericana" - it
    includes Run Like Hell, Pan Am Shuffle, Yet Another Movie & more. 
    Apparently this same footage is already available on VHS...
    
    
    
    

Yup, Live at Pompeii and The Wall live in Berlin are also on Laser 
disk. Not sure about the Wall (original) though. Las Carrerras 
Panamericanas is just about the Floyds expliots in this race. Little 
new music to go with it and it's pretty boring.

Any news about a Waters video or tour??

Rupert

    Hello, PF Fans,
    
    I've seen the original Wall (the film) on Laserdisk. Nice.
    
    I've read in a french newspaper an interview of D. Gilmour, about the
    Berlin concert of Roger; he says : "it was dreadful, nothing worked,
    people played or sang out of tune; some songs were prerecorded and
    not well synchronized. And the CD was recorded in studio after the
    concert."
    
    			IS   THIS    TRUE  ?????
    
    If yes, how it was possible to release a so wonderful Laserdisc,
    looking so "live" ?
    
    Jean-Pierre.

    
    
    Does the phrase "the magic of television" mean anything to you?  With
    enough raw footage, equipment, and time, a competent director can
    salvage the worst performance.
    
    In fact, lots of "live" albums are sweetened in post-production.  The
    concert is recorded in a multi-track format.  Later, they'll take that
    tape into a studio and do punch-ins to fix muffed notes and basically
    rework anything that needs fixing.  That's why some artists emphasize
    that a particular cut is totally live...they're justifiably proud that
    the performance didn't need any touch up.
    
    It's a shame about Roger and Dave - nothing like a messy divorce to
    ruin a good friendship...
    

There was an article in today's Boston Globe about the new Pink Floyd
box set, which consists of eight discs, seven of which are remastered
albums and one of which is singles and B-sides. There will be no
previously unreleased material and the price will be in the $150
range.

David Gilmour was quoted as saying something like "as long as we're
doing a box set, we might as well do it right." From my point of view,
this is a joke. I've already shelled out big bucks for the Mobile
Fidelity Ultradisc version of Dark Side and The Wall, and the Harvest
versions of Wish You Were Here and Animals. If he thinks I'm going to
buy those again without getting any previously unreleased material,
he's very wrong.

Barry

    re -.1
    Hear, hear!  It's about time these record companies stop soaking us
    for cheap knockoffs only to turn around and soak us again after we
    already sank our cash into stuff we wanted.  Talk about biting the
    hand that feeds you...

RE last two.

Yup. But although the record company are not complaining about the 
move, i'm afraid the band is just as much to blame. Rogers definition 
of the new floyd (Fake Floyd) is becoming more apparent as the 
days/years go by. Gilmour is a great guitarist and it would be a 
shame if he didn't come up with anything creative again and i think 
Mason and Wright must be given a chance to express their creative 
genious that was so brutally quenched by Waters. (;* )

I won't be buying the set 'cause i already have all the CDs, and i 
really can't justify spending that kind of money to have two copies 
of many of them.

I think the box set would have been far better if they had included 
rare singles of the group as a group and solo, some rare live 
recordings etc.. Remastering just doesn't cut it for me.


Rupert.


"Don't be afraid, it's only business" - R.Waters (WGW III)

Alright, so i bought it!

Market forces persuaded me that it was something that was worth having. Well, 
here's my initial review of the Box Set.


Shine On. The Pink Floyd Box Set.


The first thing that struck me was that the packaging was really good indeed. 
This didn't surprise me but i was impressed. A great deal of care has 
obviously gone into the presentation and packaging and i even quite like the 
little stickers as opposed to the full cover. However, i do regret that they 
didn't include the standard sleeve inserts as opposed to the single piece of 
peper with the track listings. However, the book sort of makes up for this 
and again is excellently packaged and includes many photos i've never seen 
before. It has a chronological short History of the group and then covers 
each of the albums in detail. It also gives lyrics to the albums that before 
didn't have them listed such as meddle.

The postcards are a pretty irrelevant givaway although they are better than a 
kick in the teeth.

Sound quality, the big seller, is quite wonderful on some of the albums and 
not really noticable on others (namely Momentary Lapse of Reason). The wall 
is a fantastic recording, bringing the whole album to life.(I supposedly had 
a very good quality origional but even thisis a GREAT difference) Animals too 
is vastly improved but this was expected. The sound quality on the others is 
less striking but still well noticable.

Overall, although i was suitably impressed. I wish they had included more 
rarities and i still question the motives that produced the box set, but 
having said that i will enjoy this box set greatly (and sell my other 
copies).


Rupert

    
    
    I *KNEW* you'd be impressed !
    
    :-)
    
    Kevin.
    
    

Kevin,

Well the only remblence of a number is the bar code sticker on the bottom of 
the box. However, this number is totally meaningless to me as it is something 
in the 5 million mark which i don't think you can call 'limited'.

Any news on the rumour of the re-mastered CDs being released to replace the 
origional CDs?? his would be a bit of a cheek me thinks!

Rupert

    
    Rup,
    
    That number sounds like the catalogue number for the set, not a limited
    edition number or anything...
    
    Well, it wouldn't surprise me if they did start releasing the
    remastered stuff separately, but at �15 each (at least) it wouldn't be
    so bad. I mean, I'd probably end up getting all of them (bar Lapse)and
    it would cost me more! (and I wouldn't have the book!)
    
    I'm happy, The Wall and Animals alone make it nearly worth it!
    
    
    k.
    

Kevin,

At �15 each they would only be 50p more then the present lot!! I don't know 
about the number. Maybe it's limited to an infinite number. (8* ) Nah, i 
can't believe this but maybe the number on the individual CDs is different in 
each set (much doubt expressed here).

If they do release the remastered lot individually i will be *ANNOYED* 
because it seems that they are stinging the people who bought their stuff in 
the first place rather then offering them something new or unavailable. I 
mean, i now have at least 1 copy of the released albums (no collection etc) 
on CD and in some cases 2 (Anyone want a copy of Dark Side of The Moon?? 7 
quid asking price) and there is no way i can afford to go out and keep buying 
new releases as they come out if i already have it. However, that then annoys 
me because i know that i am losing out by not having the good sound quality. 
Perhaps they should have released ALL the albums in their remastered form and 
just made the BOX SET un-limited. That way people wouldn't have been 
pressured into buying it (on a whim in some cases) and could plan their 
expenditure so that one day they could have the best quality CDs of all their 
recordings but in the same way have made provision for the CDs they already 
have (in some case ALL). Hence at the moment i am in the process of selling 
off my 'regular CDs' and though they are selling alright it is still possible 
that i will be left with redundant copies at the end of the day.

Rupert - Who enjoyed the box set but am getting increasingly annoyed with the 
Floyds marketing philosophy.

    If they don't release the lot individually they'll continue to make the
    Barrett-era singles very difficult to get.  So I think they won't -- or
    they'll release everything _but_ the Barrett-era disk.
    
    Ray

    I don't have the $ to go out and get the boxed set - but I do wonder
    about the sound quality of the Barrett "singles" CD and also 
    about Saucerful of Secrets, which IMO wasn't recorded very well
    (rather muddy). Are the new discs a sonic improvement? Does "See Saw"
    (one of my favorite tracks) sound unmuddled now? 
    
    
    Wes

The Early singles are still (mostly i think) mono and thus the sound quality 
is still poor by modern standards. However, it is still nice to have the 
singles on one disc. As for Saucerful of Secrets i have only got round to 
listening to it once. I have to say that it didn't make me jump up and take 
notice but then i never had the normal pressing of any kind. Anyway, it's not 
one of my favourite albums but i'll listen to the recording soon and note 
what the sound quality is like.

Rupert

The latest issue of Brain Damage reports that Pink Floyd are in the studio 
recording their Final Album. There are also reports that they have been in 
touch with Fisher Parks set designers (of The Wall, Animals etc etc concerts 
fame) asking them to design a set for their farewell tour that will include 
3D film footage. There are no details of what the album will be called or 
tour dates but they have got the dinosaur rolling again.

Rupert

I thought The Final Cut was Pink Floyd's final album?  ;^}

- DC

Glad you said that and not me.

    If anybody is looking for a collection of the Barrett-era singles
    you can find them all collected on a Dutch record called "Masters of
    Rock:  Pink Floyd".  It's probably out of print, so check your local 
    used vinyl store.
    
    - Dave

Well it now seems that there are three versions of the album Dark Side Of The 
Moon (at least in the UK anyway)

1st - The standard CD

2nd - The Shine On Re-Mastered version

and now

3rd - The 20th anniversary edition of the album in a special cd box and 
cover. The cd costa 11.99. I'm not sure if this is the re-mastered version or 
the standard version.(Perhaps this is the standard version and they'll 
release the re-mastered version once everyone has bought the special standard 
version) (8* )


Hmmmmm.



Rupert

    
    It's the "Shine on" version - with ticket to ride at the end !  :-)
    
    Kevin.
    
    

Just as a follow on from that.

There is an article in the latest Q magazine about the album. Apparently it 
has sold 25 million copies world wide. Apparently, going by those stats, a 
copy of the album must be playing somewhere in the world at this moment. 
(well, you get the idea).

Rupert

    What are those sounds that come after "Have a Cigar" and before "Wish
    You were Here" in the Wish You Were Here CD? "Have a Cigar" seems to
    come to an abrupt end, followed by what appears to be some people
    talking, then a news report etc. Is this an intentionally left
    recording glitch in an otherwise flawless album? 
    
    -Ravi 

Isn't that on the album (vinyl) also?  The beginning of "Wish You Were
Here" is supposed to sound like it's being heard off a cheap radio
... the stuff after "Have a Cigar" sounds like someone fiddling with the
tuner to change the station, then "Wish You Were Here" begins ... that's
the way I've always interpreted it.

- DC

    That makes a lot of sense. If you notice "Wish You Were Here" starts at
    a low volume and then becomes clear, possibly indicating that the
    tuning is OK at that point.
    
    But do you know why such an idea was conceived by the band? 
    
    -Ravi

    No news of any new material or tour  - It's one of my ambitions to see
    them live.

This is the way i see it.

The previous but 1 note was right. It is in fact meant to give the impression 
that it starts on the radio. What in fact happens is that the radio is 
playing the song and then David Gilmour (you can hear him clear his throat 
just before he starts playing) starts accompanying the song on the radio. I 
think the theme runs along the lines of being there, but not being there. 
I.E. being there physically but not mentally, which is something the band 
were going through at the time of recording and what the album is based on.

As for band news. Gilmour and Co are currently in the studio recording the 
base tracks for the new (and probably last) album. It is widely believed that 
they will follow the album with a farewell world tour.

Roger Waters is still un-decided about touring Amused To Death, although the 
later it gets the less likely it becomes. He is (I believe) finishing off an 
Opera he wrote for the Bastille celebrations in France, and will probably 
release it, although this is pure speculation based on the fact that he liked 
the opera so much he shelved Amused To Death to work solely on the opera. 
Un-official reports say that top politicians listened to the opera and were 
highly impressed with it. BTW It's in French - apparently. (Also not that 
politicians have any great taste in music but...)


That's my lot for the moment.

BTW : (Quick Plug) The information in this not was got from REG The 
international Roger Waters Fan Club. Anyone interested in details??








Thought not!  (8* )


Rupert

    re: .156
    
    You'd have to have lived in the times, known what was going on with
    the band at the time and be under the spell of a magical concoction
    of one sort or another. ;-)
    
    I "saw" the reason clearly when I first heard the song/album.
    
    Jim C.
    
    
    
    

    
    
    I've seen them once on each tour since the Meddle album.  If you're a
    Floyd fan you really can't wait any longer...  and careful with that
    axe, Eugene!
    
    

    
    	"Wish You Were Here" is now available on Gold CD from the
    new Sony Mastersound Series. This is done on Sonys new Super
    Bit Mapping system, pressed on 24 CT gold CD.
    
    
    Vinny

    RE: -160
    I have checked out the Live At Pompeii video which was pretty good but
    ,I haven't read all the notes,I haven't heard anyone mention the
    Delicate Sound Of Thunder video - it's so bloody excellent.
    Esp.Signs of Life,Great Gig In The Sky (makes your hair stand on end -
    on your back as well),One Slip,Whish You Were Here ect. ect.
    
    
    					Stuart.

Delicate Sound of Thunder is a good video. It does slightly annoy me the 
amount of slow motion they use in it. Live at Pompeii is more of a Jam (when 
they are playing) and the rest of it is Pink Floyd "at work" in the studio. 
Both videos are really pretty different but both as good as each other on 
differing merits.

Rupert

Re: several previous
>    What are those sounds that come after "Have a Cigar" and before "Wish
>    You were Here" 

As others have explained, it's an unusual transition that's meant to 
create the image of someone suddenly changing stations on a radio. 
What hasn't been mentioned is how extremely effective it is in concert.
The first time I heard them do it was on the Animals tour, everyone
in the audience thought the PA system had failed. Then those cheap, 
tinny radio sounds started coming out. When Gilmour starting playing
acoustic guitar over it, people realized what was happening and loved
it.

Re: .161 (Vinny)
> "Wish You Were Here" is now available on Gold CD from the
>    new Sony Mastersound Series.

I wonder how this compares with the Harvest recording (British import),
which is vastly better than the original U.S. release.

Re: several previous

Live at Pompeii is great if you're interested in the creative process
that goes into recording Pink Floyd albums. I listen to it often but
I get tired of listening to the band members responding to the assertion
that their music is all electronic gadgets and no real talent.

Barry

    
    I don't know if you guys in the States got to see this, but during
    their last tour Floyd played live in Venice (a reduced set) and the
    whole thing was transmitted live across Europe. I still have a
    recording of the concert (somewhere) which I found much better than the
    released "Delicate Sound Of Thunder" video. Somehow the official
    released video lost some of the 'liveness' that my Venice one has an
    abundance of. Ah well, for the ultimate experience go and see them
    yourself !! :-)
    
    
    Kevin.
    
    

    I watched that - couldn't tape it 'cause I was visiting friends.
    It was very good but seeing it only once means I forget a lot of it 
    although I do remember the crowd seemed "massive" stretching for what
    nearly 3/4 of a mile.One of the cameras was this far back a showed a
    great view of the laser flashing past and on up into the sky into the
    clouds.
    
    			Stuart.

I have the video of the event. If anyone has recording facilities and wants a 
copy drop me a line at sedpcw::englander or rupert englander @eso.

Rgds,

Rupert

Does anybody have any news to support the rumour that Roger Waters will do an 
Un-Plugged session for MTV. This runour broke a few months ago but nothing 
concrete has come of it.

Cheers,

Rupert

    Re: .168
    
    Oh boy, will he play "Granchester Meadows"?    How about "Set Your
    Controls for The Heart Of The Sun"? 
    
    						Eugene

Eugene,

Careful with that axe..


(;* )

    Hi, you there who said 'bout the Unplugged on MTV.
    
    I've not heard anything on it,  but, just to agree,
    I think "Wish you were here", "Breathe", "Mother" would sound greater
    on accoustic sections...
    
    Hopefully,
    
    dori.
    
    Brasil.
    

    
    Rumour #1: Roger and the band are getting back together for a tour.
    
    Rumour #2: Pink Floyd is signing a deal with Volkswagen in Europe.
    A huge ad campaign with Pink Floyd edition volkswagens and all that.
    
    Lale
    

    
    
    Maybe they had VW vans in mind when they wrote the lyrics to "One of
    These Days"...  I'm trying to imagine what features a Pink Floyd
    edition Volkswagen might offer...  and just when I'm too old to enjoy
    that sort of thing anymore!
    
    

    Pink Floyd edition VW:
    
    Let's see...
    
    		Dark Side Of The Baby-moon Hubcaps...
    
    		A year's supply of Umma-Gumout carb cleaner...
    
    		High grade sheet-meddle construction...
    
    Argh...
    
    Edd
    		

    
    
    Just received the 20th Anniversary Edition of Dark Side of the Moon. 
    God, 20 years!  I remember going to sleep (euphemism for passing out)
    with this playing on my college roommate's 8 track and waking up the
    next afternoon with it still going, another day older and closer to
    death...
    
    I'm thinking about leaving this in the shrinkwrap, since I have DSOTM
    on the ordinary CD and several LP copies.  What's actually on the CD?
    
    

    I read in Playboy that Pink Floyd was offered $100,000,000 guaranteed
    to tour with Roger Waters.
    
    Anyone hear more about this?
    
    John

I wonder if Waters knows about that.  ;^)

    
    shorter of breath, one day closer to death....
    
    

    My nephew told me last night that he has seen an advertisement for a
    trip to see Pink Floyd in Rotterdam next August. Is this part of a
    tour or a one-off?
                  
    Phil Gill.

Re. 180. Pink Floyd will be playing in Rotterdam on September 4th. Ticketssale
starts December 11th. If the Sunday is sold out (which I expect to be, usually
within 2 or 3 hours) then they will also play on September 5th. It's part of
their European tour, which starts on July 26th in Lisbon, Portugal, and will
lead them through 16 countries. 
And, by the way, the new album is scheduled for April, so they will probably
promote some stuff from this record, though the tour lay-out hasn't been made up
yet. 

Willem.

    
    
     Any news on who is in the line up? Did Waters and Gilmore get their
    differences worked out?
    
                              mike
    

    >Any news on who is in the line up? Did Waters and Gilmore get their
    >differences worked out?
    
    In an interview with Wright, Gilmour and Mason in a Norwegian paper
    today, it seems they're not on speaking terms with Mr Waters.
    
    Nothing more about the line-up.
    
    Next year's tour is sponsored by Volkswagen, and it seems they'll
    be producing a car called Pink Floyd, to be launched at the same time
    as the tour... 
    
    	Henrik

According to the newspaper it's (again) a tour from Gilmour, Mason and Wright.

Willem

    
    
     I didn't think that relationship will ever mend. I look forward to
    hearing a new PF release. It seems so long ago that the last one was
    out. What was it about '88 or so that "Momentary Lapse......" was
    released?
                mike
    

    Pink Floyd will be playing in Rotterdam on the 28th August
    (Feyenoord Stadium),I know this is correct as I Have got a ticket to 
    see them, They will also be playing in Paris and somewhere in
    Germany,and on the information that I have got it seems these concerts
    are celebrating the 25th Anniversary of Pink Floyd - I've also heard
    that Mr Waters be will there aswell(I hope so but I doubt it).
    
                                                             Rich.

This is as good a place as any to ask - I'd prefer an e-mail reply as I don't
read this board too often...............

What album is the song titled (I believe) 'Hey you' on?

- Hey you  out there in the hall throwing bottles at the wall  can you help me -


                  (or something like that......)

- jw

    Re. .186. Well, that surprises me a lot! Are they giving a special
    concert at August 28th? I've seen the date of September 4th mentioned
    in all the ads and newspapercolumns. Even this morning there's a
    "Volkswagen presents: Pink Floyd" ad with the 4th of September.
    
    Oh well, I guess you're just lucky to be a few days earlier. It's not a
    private concert for you, is it? :-)
    
    Willem.

    
    The Wall.
    
    

>
>Note 48.187                        Pink Floyd
>
>What album is the song titled (I believe) 'Hey you' on?
>
>- Hey you  out there in the hall throwing bottles at the wall  can you help me -
>
>
>                  (or something like that......)
>
>- jw
>
>
>Note 48.189                        Pink Floyd
>    
>    The Wall.
>    

    The answer "The Wall" has been given a few times in conversation etc.

                        BUT .................

    The only reference I have is a cassette recording of the soundtrack from 
the videotape "The Wall" and I don't recall this song being on it.  Is this
a case where the studio release contains a track that the video soundtrack
does not?  I don't want to buy the factory/studio mix of "The Wall" as I like
the recording of the soundtrack from the videotape much better....... is there
another studio/factory release that this track would be on?

- jw

    
    It is "Hey You", and it's the first track on side A, disc 2.
    i.e. It's on the studio Album, but I'm not sure if it's in the movie.
    
    One track that is in the movie but not on the Album is "When the tigers
    broke free"
                                 
    k.
    

>    One track that is in the movie but not on the Album is "When the tigers
>    broke free"

Another one is the extended version of "Empty Spaces", which has the whole
shopping list of things to buy.... "Should be buy a new guitar, should we
drive a more powerful car", etc.

alan

    
    
    I will always remember my mission, for the rest of my life.
    
    Thank you.
    
    Lale
    

    re:188
    Is this a private concert for myself??
    No I don't think so as myself and 3 friends are booked up thru
    Euro-event and they also informed me that most of the places have been
    snapped up,I also have 4 receipts and insurance policies for the gig-
    (I don't think its a private showing),the concerts have been advertised
    in the Sunday Newspapers for the last 3 weeks in Britain.
    Intinery:-
    Coach leaves Fri 26/8/94-arrive Sat 27/8/94 at 7am in Amsterdam,whole
    day out in amsterdam-lovely!,1 nights B & B in hotel in
    Amsterdam,picked up at 4pm on Sun 28/8/94 and taken by coach to the
    Feyenoord Stadium,Pink Floyd will be playing at 8pm.Back home after the
    concert.
    If willem in note 188 was implying I was bull-shi**ing I'd have to be
    an awful good bull-shi**er to come up with this note.
    
                                                   Rich.

    re:192
    It is not an extended version of Empty Spaces on the Movie: -( Shall we
    work straight thru the night-shall we get into fights-leave the lights
    on-drop bombs etc.) the song title is called "Backs to the wall" and
    ' Hey you '  was cut from the movie,you can also get "when the tigers
    broke free" on a Pink Floyd album called "Monsters of Rock".
    
                                               Hope this helps,
    
                                                                Rich.

Re. .194 > If willem in note 188 was implying I was bull-shi**ing

No, I just was confused about the fact that I couldn't find any references about
that gig. Hope you're having a good time. Next time I'll add a few more :-):-).

*I* wouldn't mind a private showing :-)

Willem.

    
    Hmm...
    
    The piece of music BETWEEN "Empty Spaces" and "Young Lust" is called
    "What shall we do now". This is in the movie but not on the Album. It
    just missed out being on the album, so much so that on some sleeves the
    song and lyrics are pronted even though it doesn't appear on the record
    !
    
    Check out Roger Waters live attempt in Berlin a couple of years back,
    that had Brian Adams singing "What shall we do now"
    
    Kevin.
    
    

    Kevin - I do believe you are correct!
    
    I have got the Video and I do recall that track being the song title
    between Empty Spaces and Young lust,and did you know that Empty Spaces
    on the album is different from the one on the video,video-'shall we set
    out across this sea of faces,in search of more,and more applause'.There
    was also a limited number of 'The Wall" albums which were released with
    'What shall we do now' and 'When the tigers broke free' on it.
    
                                                           Rich.

    RE:196
    Willem,
           You're not going to believe this :-I just got word from
    Euro-event today about the concert and it is now the following Sunday
    (4th Sept !!!!),You were right in what you were saying and it seems
    that at least 4 Sunday papers were wrong,Sorry for being a bit up-front
    in my previous reply but you can understand My feelings when I had the
    bookings and the insurance policies.  
    
                                              Regards,
                                                    Rich.

re                     <<< Note 48.186 by MASALA::RBERNARD >>>
                -< Zig-Zag away ,through the boredom and pain. >-

>    Pink Floyd will be playing in Rotterdam on the 28th August
>    (Feyenoord Stadium),I know this is correct as I Have got a ticket to 
>    see them, They will also be playing in Paris and somewhere in
>    Germany,and on the information that I have got it seems these concerts
>    are celebrating the 25th Anniversary of Pink Floyd - I've also heard
>    that Mr Waters be will there aswell(I hope so but I doubt it).
    
Could someone confirm or deny this rumor, that Waters is joining Pink Floyd
for this or any upcoming concert?!?

- thanks
  Dave

    
    
    Does anyone know which album/cd/tape has " 1-2-Free-4" on it?
    
    Thanks!
    
    /andy

    "OBSCURED BY CLOUDS" is the album you are after.

The song's called "Free Four."

    
    ...It's also on a compilation called "Works" I believe. Trouble is that
    in the UK this is labelled as "Import" so you pay through the nose.
    Stick to Obscured By Clouds...there's some other good stuff on there.
    
    Kevin.
    
    

    
    
    	thanks folks!
    
    	/ab

                      <<< Note 48.204 by IOSG::STANDAGE >>>
             -< The memories of a man in his old age, are the... >-
    
    }}Stick to Obscured By Clouds...there's some other good stuff on there.
    
    	Wasn't "Obscured By Clouds" the soundtrack that Pink Floyd did for
    some movie or something?  Any background on this?  Or am I thinking of
    some other album?
    
    -=Dave=-
    
    

    Re: .206
    
    Yep, a French flick called "La Vallee".  That means "the valley" for
    you non-francophiles.
    
    						Jacques Beefsteau

    I heard a rumor that 3 dates, May 19,20,21, at Foxboro Stadium have
    been submitted to the Foxboro selectmen. Has anyone else heard this,
    or does anybody know of any other dates by Pink Floyd. I heard that
    they are opening the tour in April sometime at the Skydome in Toronto.
    Any information greatly appreciated. 
    
    FAST EDDIE

    
    re: .208.......
    
    DITTO!!!  Send any info to me too please!!!  I love Pink Floyd!!
    
    
    Terrie
    

    At 5pm ToDay on Rock 101 FM,the band members will be talkin about the
    new record and tour.I'll record it if I can Pull in the Station.
    
    
          Crazy_Keep_Yer_Hands_Off_My_StasH_Al

    
    Where is this station?  Is this the one in New Hampshire?  I think
    I can get that in here at work!  I have a radio/recorder sitting right
    here in front of me, now I just hae to find a tape worth destroying
    for Pink Floyd.  Anyone got any old Elvis tapes hanging around? :*)
    
    Just kidding, no offense to Elvis fans intended.
    
    Who wants copies?
    
    Terrie
    

    Terrie , I definitely would like a tape, and yes that is that station
    in New Hampshire, I told my boss I had to leave at 5:00, so I will
    listen to it on my way home from NQO- Nashua.
    Hope it happens with Foxboro
    FAST EDDIE

    
    Well, got a tape worth dumping, and I have the station.  It's not
    coming in that clear, but I'll do the best I can, then copy it on
    NR at home.  I have to leave at 5:45, so I'll tape till then.
    
    
    Terrie
    

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Subject: Pink Floyd Tour Dates 1994. Here they are....  (well, the know ones!)
Date: 11 Feb 1994 15:38:11 -0000
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To be announced (info taken from rumours on the PF mailinglist) :
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??? ??  USA:Alabama (?)    - Birmingham   - Legion Field
??? ??  USA:Ohio           - Cleveland    - Cleveland Municipal Stadium
??? ??  USA:Colorado       - Denver       - Mile High Stadium
??? ??  USA:Connecticut    - New Haven    - Yale Bowl
??? ??  USA:Florida        - Orlando      - Citrus Bowl
??? ??  USA:Florida        - Tampa        - Tampa Stadium
??? ??  USA:Georgia        - Atlanta      - Bobby Dodd Stadium (GA Tech)
??? ??  USA:Illinois       - Chicago      - Soldiers Field
??? ??  USA:Indianapolis   - Indianapolis - Hoosier Dome
??? ??  USA:Iowa           - Ames         - Cyclone Stadium (ISU)
??? ??  USA:Louisiana (?)  - New Orleans  - Louisiana Superdome
??? ??  USA:Missouri       - Kansas City  - Arrowhead Stadium
??? ??  USA:Missouri       - St. Louis    - Busch Stadium
??? ??  USA:NO (?)         - New Orleans  - Superdome
??? ??  USA:North Carolina - Raleigh      - Carter Finley Stadium (NCSU ?)
??? ??  USA:Pennsylvania   - Pittsburgh   - Three Rivers Stadium
??? ??  USA:South Carolina - Clemson      - Death Valley Stadium
??? ??  USA:Tennessee (?)  - Nashville    - Vanderbilt
??? ??  USA:Washington     - Seattle      - ??
??? ??  USA:Washington     - Wash. D.C.   - RFK Stadium (?)              52K ?
??? ??  USA:Wisconsin      - East Troy    - Alpine Valley
??? ??  USA:MI (?)         - Detroit      - Pontiac Silverdome             70K

??? ??  CAN:British Columbia - Vancouver  - British Columbia Palace Stadium
??? ??  CAN:??             - Edmonton     - Commonwealth
??? ??  CAN:??             - Winnipeg     - ??
??? ??  CAN:??             - Montreal     - Olympic Stadium


Canadian and North/Central American tour dates:
===============================================

MARCH '94:
----------
Wed 30 *USA:Florida        - Miami        - Joe Robbie Stadium        *Feb  5*


APRIL '94:
---------
Sun  3  USA:Texas          - San Antonio  - AlamoDome                 *Feb 12*
Tue  5  USA:Texas          - Houston      - Rice Stadium              *Feb 12*
Sat  9 *Mexico             - Mexico City  - Autodromo Hnos. Rodriguez  60K-70K
Sun 10 *<same>
Thu 14  USA:California     - San Diego    - Stadium Jack Murphy       *Feb 12*
Sat 16  USA:California     - Pasadena     - Rose Bowl                 *Feb 12*
Mon 18  USA:Nevada         - Las Vegas    - Silver Bowl               *Feb 12*
Thu 21  USA:California     - Oakland      - Alameda Oakland Coliseum  *Feb 13*
Sun 24  USA:Arizona        - Phoenix      - Sun Devil Stadium         *Feb 12*
Tue 26  USA:Texas          - El Paso      - Sun Bowl                  *Feb 12*
Fri 29 ?USA:Texas          - Dallas       - Texas Stadium             *Feb 12*
                                         or Arlington Stadium


MAY '94:
--------
Thu 19  USA:Massachusetts  - Foxboro (?)  - Foxboro Stadium                45K
Fri 20  USA:<same>
Sat 20  USA:<same>
Sun 29  USA:Ohio           - Columbus     - O.S.U. Stadium OSU)


JUNE '94:
---------
Wed  1  <reserved, see below>
Thu  2 *USA:Pennsylvania   - Philadelphia - Veteran's Stadium      *Feb 5* 55K
Fri  3  <same>
Sat  4  <reserved, see above>
Mon  6  USA:New York       - Syracuse     - Carrier Dome
Fri 10  USA:New York       - New York City- Yankee Stadium            *Feb 12*
Sat 11  <same>
Sun 12  <same>
Sun 26  U.K.               - Knebworth    - Knebworth Park

JULY '94: 
---------
Fri 22  Portugal       - Lisbon       - Estadio Jose Alvalade
Wed 27  Spain          - Barcelona    - Estadio Olimpic
Fri 29  France         - Paris        - Chateau de Chantilly
Sat 30  <same>


AUGUST '94:
-----------   
Tue  2  Germany        - Cologne      - Muengersdorfer Stadion
Thu  4  Germany        - Munich       - Olympic Stadium
Sat  6 *Switzerland    - Basel        - St. Jakob Stadion
Sun  7 *Switzerland    - Basel        - St. Jakob Stadion
Tue  9  France         - Montpellier  - Amphitheatre du Chateau de Grammont   
Thu 11  France         - Bordeaux     - Esplanade des Quinconces
Sat 13  Germany        - Hockenheim   - Hockenheim Ring
Mon 15 %Belgium        - Werchter     - Festival Ground
Fri 19  Austria        - Vienna       - Lufthafen Wiener Neustadt
Sun 21  Germany        - Berlin       - Maifeld
Tue 23  Germany        - Hannover     - Niedersachsenstadion
Thu 25  Denmark        - Copenhagen   - Parken (formerly: Idraetsparken)
Sat 27 *Sweden         - Gothenburg   - (Nya) Ullevi (Stadion)    *Dec  6* 45K
Mon 29 *Norway         - Oslo         - Valle Hovin Stadion       *Dec  4* 35K


SEPTEMBER '94:
--------------
Thu  1 #Finland        - Helsinki     - Olympiastadion                     42K
Sat  3  The Netherlands- Rotterdam    - Feyenoord Stadion (De Kuip)   *Feb 26*
Sun  4 *<same>                                                    *Jan 21* 45K
Mon  5 *<same>                                                    *Jan 21*
Wed  7  CSR (Czech Rep)- Prague       - Stadion Praha Strahov           100K ?
Fri  9  France         - Strassbourg  - Stade de la Meinau
Sun 11  France         - Lyon         - Stade du Gerland
Tue 13  Italy          - Turin        - Stadio delle Alpi
Thu 15  Italy          - Udine        - Stadio Friuli
Sat 17  Italy          - Modena       - Festa Nazionale del Unita
Mon 19 ?Italy          - Rome         - Ippodrome Tor Di Valle
Tue 20  <same>
Thu 22 ?<same>

Some notes on this:

-> # before the country/state indicates a cancelled venue !!!
       
-> * before the country/state indicates a sold out venue
       
-> % before the country/state indicates a rumoured venue

-> ? indicates conflicting reports. Does anybody have details about them ?
       
-> The Knebworth concert (within the U.S.A.-leg of the tour) is
   rumoured to bill both Pink Floyd and The Rolling Stones...
   Rumoures about Knebworth being canceled: NO. It is possible that it is
   moved to an other venue due to work on Knebworth Park not being ready.
       
-> Concerts for Greece, Israel, Turkey and Russia have been rumoured.
   Dates for U.K. will be announced in '94. It is not know to us whether
   Pink Floyd will tour Australia.
   
-> There are rumours about 5 days Earls Court (after Sep. 20.)
   Other rumours talk about 9th to 26th October !!

-> Rumoured number of gigs: 154

-> Semi-confirmed album title: "Awaken to the Sense of Reality".
   Other suggestions: "Awake on the Verge of Insanity", "Above the
   Water", "Waiting for the Sun".

-> Release dates for the new album: (not confirmed)
       U.K.           - March 21 or 28
       U.S.A.         - March 22 or 29

-> The band is rumoured to consist of:
       David Gilmour    - Guitars    & Vocals
       Nick Mason       - Drums
       Rick Wright      - Keyboards  & Vocals
       Jon Carin        - Keyboards  & Vocals
       Tim Renwick      - Guitars    & Vocals
       Gary Wallis      - Percussion
      Guy Pratt        - Bass       & Vocals
       Dick Parry       - Saxophone           (does this mean DSOTM/Echoes ?) 

       Durga McBroom    - Backing Vocals
       Sam Brown        - Backing Vocals
       Claudia Fontaine - Backing Vocals

-> The stage is rumoured to measure 200*80*70 feet. It takes a crew of
   120 people and three full days to set up and 48 transport trucks.
   Its unusual shape also reportedly affords "unprecedented sightlines"
   from virtually anywhere in the stadium. Revolutionary lasers with
   military power (!) are also rumoured to become part of the show.

-> Rumoured rehearsal-venue: USA:Texas - Dallas. The following venues
   for this have been rumoured: Goodyear Blimp hangar, Texas Stadium,
   Alliance Airport. The Pink Floyd aircraft (blimp) has been spotted
   at several places on the bottom half of the USA


Hope this helps.

Richard Alexander Shackleton
MEng Software Engineering
Imperial College Of Science And Technology
LONDON ENGLAND
email: [email protected]

    O.K. Here it is, Pink Floyd tickets for Foxboro Stadium will go on sale
    at 10:00 a.m. Saturday morning. So far they have only announced 1 show
    but it is beleived that as soon as it sells out they will announce a
    2nd and possibly 3rd show. May 19th is the confirmed date of the first
    show. 
    Tickets are priced at $25, $35, and GOLDEN CIRCLE seats for $75
    this news was obtained from WZLX at 6:00 a.m. this morning, they did
    not say where the tickets would be sold. Does anybody out there know 
    where they will be sold, and also does anybody know what a Golden
    Circle seat is, are there any extras that go along with the seat?
    
    FAST EDDIE

    ...tix will be sold at Ticketmaster outlets, Orpheum box office, and
    by phone on the Ticketmaster phone charge line (you can get this from
    any radio station...I think its 617-931-2000)...I will be lining up
    EARLY Saturday morning...can you say "mucho caffeine"???? (or maybe I'm
    getting too old for this stuff!!!)....
    
    psyched_mac
    

    Glad to hear there are some "cheap" seats.  A recent Globe article
    mentioned the $75 seats and made it sound like ALL seats were $75. 
    Anyway, the Stones tour this summer will also have $75 seats.  The
    argument was that if scalpers can get that much, then the bands should
    be able to (the counter-argument is that scalpers are now causing
    ticket prices in general to go through the stratosphere.  Now the
    scalpers will have Golden Circle tix for $300). 
    
    Oh, and $75 is not too steep.  The Globe reported that Van Morrison
    *sold out* a $75 a pop show in NYC last year.  And Van is hardly a top
    grossing conert draw.
    
    							Brian
    
    P.S. Since I consider even $25 a bit exorbitant, guess I can forget
    about going to see anyone charging $75!

    
    $75.00 isn't bad at all when you concider that we paid
    $125.00 for Rod Stewart golden circle tickets.
    
    I'll be away this weekend.  Anyone know where there's a
    boxoffice near Loon Mtn. that would sell for Foxboro???
    
    Terrie
    

	$75 each is ridiculous, regardless what you paid for the Rod
	Stewart [or any] tickets.

	But heck, if people are stupid enough to pay these prices then
	agents and performers will continue to be smart enough to charge
	the same prices.

							GTI

re: .219

>	$75 each is ridiculous, regardless what you paid for the Rod
>	Stewart [or any] tickets.

Especially considering that it's only pseudo-Pink Floyd! :-)

-Hal

>Especially considering that it's only pseudo-Pink Floyd! :-)
				       ^^^^^^^^^^^

Er, you mean like chartreuse or mauve or sumpin'?

Any Colour You Like   :^)

Newest ticket-sales info:                                      TickMas  SALE
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
940420  USA:California     - Oakland      - Alameda Coliseum            Feb 27
940426  USA:Texas          - El Paso      - Sun Bowl                    Feb 26
940428  USA:Texas          - Dallas       - Texas Stadium               Feb 26
940506  USA:Florida        - Tampa        - Tampa Stadium               Feb 26
940508  USA:Tennessee      - Nashville    - Vanderbilt                  Feb 26
940512  USA:South Carolina - Clemson      - Death Valley Stadium        Feb 26
940514  USA:Louisiana      - New Orleans  - Louisiana Superdome         Feb 26 
940516 %USA:Missouri       - St. Louis    - Busch Stadium               Mar  5
940519  USA:Massachusetts  - Foxboro      - Stadium            Feb 24   Feb 26
940520  <same>                                                 Feb 24   Feb 26
940606  USA:New York       - Syracuse     - Carrier Dome               ?Feb 26
940717  USA:New Jersey     - East Rutherford - Giants Stadium           Feb 26
940718  <same>                                                          Feb 26
940815  Belgium            - Werchter     - Festival Ground             Feb 26
940903  The Netherlands    - Rotterdam    - Feyenoord Stadion           Feb 26


+========+==============+==================================+=================+
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+========+==============+==================================+=================+
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| not bother the list, so we can get to shorter digests again.   Thank you ! |
| Please mail me if you can fill in any of the ?? in the list.  Also I would |
| like to know when each venue went on sale (also the ones that already went |
| on sale !!). Should I split the tour info continent-wise ? Or not at all ? |
+============================================================================+
| Info below: day date code country:state - city - venue *ticks-sale*/#ticks |
+============================================================================+

Rumoured, or yet to be announced (info taken from various sources): 
-------------------------------------------------------------------- 

??? ??  USA:New York       - New York City- Madison Square Garden
        (rumoured that all NYC dates will be at Yankee Stadium)
??? ??  USA:North Carolina - Raleigh      - Carter Finley Stadium (NCSU ?)
??? ??  USA:Wisconsin      - East Troy    - Alpine Valley
??? ??  CAN:British Columbia - Vancouver  - British Columbia Place Stadium
??? ??  CAN:Alberta        - Edmonton     - Commonwealth
??? ??  CAN:Manitoba       - Winnipeg     - ??
??? ??  United Kingdom     - Birmingham   - NEC
 



Canadian and North/Central American tour dates:
===============================================

MARCH '94:
----------
Wed 30 *USA:Florida        - Miami        - Joe Robbie Stadium        *Feb  5*


APRIL '94: 
--------- 
Sun  3 *USA:Texas          - San Antonio  - Alamo Dome                *Feb 12*
Tue  5  USA:Texas          - Houston      - Rice Stadium              *Feb 12*
Sat  9 *Mexico             - Mexico City  - Autodromo Hnos. Rodriguez  60K-70K
Sun 10 *<same> 
Thu 14  USA:California     - San Diego    - Stadium Jack Murphy       *Feb 12*
Sat 16 *USA:California     - Pasadena     - Rose Bowl           *Feb 12* 100K+
Sun 17 %<same>
Mon 18  USA:Nevada         - Las Vegas    - Silver Bowl               *Feb 12*
        (postponed or moved to be another LA show ?)
Wed 20  USA:California     - Oakland      - Alameda Oakland Coliseum  *Feb 27*
Thu 21 *<same>                                                        *Feb 13*
Fri 22 *<same>                                                        *Feb 13*
Sun 24  USA:Arizona        - Phoenix      - ASU Sun Devil Stadium     *Feb 19*
Tue 26  USA:Texas          - El Paso      - Sun Bowl                  *Feb 26*
Thu 28  USA:Texas          - Dallas       - Texas Stadium             *Feb 26*
Fri 29 *<same>

MAY '94:
--------
Sun  1  USA:Alabama        - Birmingham   - Legion Field              *Feb 19*
Tue  3  USA:Georgia        - Atlanta      - Bobby Dodd Stadium/GATech 
Thu  5%pUSA:Florida        - Orlando      - Citrus Bowl
Fri  6  USA:Florida        - Tampa        - Tampa Stadium             *Feb 26*
Sun  8  USA:Tennessee      - Nashville    - Vanderbilt                *Feb 26*
Thu 12  USA:South Carolina - Clemson      - Death Valley Stadium      *Feb 26*
Sat 14  USA:Louisiana      - New Orleans  - Louisiana Superdome  *Feb 26* 56K?
Mon 16 %USA:Missouri       - St. Louis    - Busch Stadium             *Mar  5*
Wed 18 %USA:Massachusetts  - Foxboro      - Stadium                        61K
Thu 19  <same>                                                        *Feb 26*
Fri 20 %<same> 
Sun 22 *CAN:Quebec         - Montreal     - Olympic Stadium     *Feb 19* 115K?
Mon 23 *<same> 
Thu 26 pUSA:Ohio           - Cleveland    - Cleveland Municipal Stadium
Fri 27 p<same> 
Sun 29  USA:Ohio           - Columbus     - Ohio Stadium (Ohio State Univ.)
Tue 31 pUSA:Pennsylvania   - Pittsburgh   - Three Rivers Stadium


JUNE '94: 
--------- 
Wed  1  <reserved, see below>
Thu  2 *USA:Pennsylvania   - Philadelphia - Veterans Stadium       *Feb 5* 55K
Fri  3 *<same>
Sat  4  <same>                                                        *Feb 19*
Mon  6  USA:New York       - Syracuse     - Carrier Dome             *Feb 26?*
Wed  8 %USA:Connecticut    - New Haven    - Yale Bowl
Fri 10 *USA:New York       - New York City- Yankee Stadium            *Feb 12*
Sat 11 *<same>                                                        *Feb 12*
Sun 12 *<same>
Tue 14 pUSA:Indiana        - Indianapolis - Hoosier Dome                  65K?
Thu 16 pUSA:Iowa           - Ames         - Cyclone Stadium (ISU)
Sat 18 pUSA:Colorado       - Denver       - Mile High Stadium
Mon 20  USA:Missouri       - Kansas City  - Arrowhead Stadium         *Mar  5*
Fri 24%pUSA:Washington     - Seattle      - ??
Sun 26 %U.K.               - Knebworth    - Knebworth Park


JULY '94:
---------
Sun  3 %USA:Wisconsin      - Madison      - Randall Stadium
Tue  5 *CAN:??             - Toronto      - Canadian National Exhibition
Wed  6  <same>                                Stadium                 *Feb 12*
Thu  7 %<reserved, see above>
Sat  9  USA:D.C.           - Washington D.C. - Robert F. Kennedy Stadium  65K?
            (District of Columbia)
Sun 10  <same>
Tue 12  USA:Illinois       - Chicago      - Soldier Field
Wed 13  <same>
Fri 15  USA:Michigan       - Detroit      - Pontiac Silverdome             70K
Sun 17  USA:New Jersey     - East Rutherford - Giants Stadium     *Feb 26* 60K
Mon 18  <same>                                                        *Feb 26*
Tue 19  <reserved, see above>
Wed 20  <reserved, see above>

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

European tour dates:
====================

JULY '94:
---------
Fri 22  Portugal       - Lisbon       - Estadio Jose Alvalade
Wed 27  Spain          - Barcelona    - Estadio Olimpic 
Fri 29  France         - Paris        - Chateau de Chantilly 
Sat 30  <same>
        (or 30-31 ??)

AUGUST '94:
-----------
Tue  2  Germany        - Cologne      - Muengersdorfer Stadion 
Thu  4  Germany        - Munich       - Olympic Stadium
Sat  6 *Switzerland    - Basel        - St. Jakob Stadion 
Sun  7 *Switzerland    - Basel        - St. Jakob Stadion
Tue  9  France         - Montpellier  - Amphitheatre du Chateau de Grammont 
Thu 11  France         - Bordeaux     - Esplanade des Quinconces 
Sat 13  Germany        - Hockenheim   - Hockenheim Ring 
Mon 15  Belgium        - Werchter     - Festival Ground               *Feb 26*
Fri 19  Austria        - Vienna       - Lufthafen Wiener Neustadt 
Sun 21  Germany        - Berlin       - Maifeld 
Tue 23  Germany        - Hannover     - Niedersachsenstadion 
Thu 25  Denmark        - Copenhagen   - Parken (formerly: Idraetsparken)
Sat 27 *Sweden         - Gothenburg   - (Nya) Ullevi (Stadion)    *Dec  6* 45K
Mon 29 *Norway         - Oslo         - Valle Hovin Stadion       *Dec  4* 35K


SEPTEMBER '94:
--------------
Thu  1 #Finland        - Helsinki     - Olympiastadion           *Dec  7?* 42K
Sat  3  The Netherlands- Rotterdam    - Feyenoord Stadion (De Kuip)   *Feb 26*
Sun  4 *<same>                                                    *Dec 11* 45K
Mon  5 *<same>                                                    *Dec 11*
Wed  7  CSR (Czech Rep)- Prague       - Stadion Praha Strahov           100K ?
Fri  9  France         - Strassbourg  - Stade de la Meinau 
Sun 11  France         - Lyon         - Stade du Gerland 
Tue 13  Italy          - Turin        - Stadio delle Alpi 
Thu 15  Italy          - Udine        - Stadio Friuli 
Sat 17  Italy          - Modena       - Festa Nazionale del Unita 
Mon 19 ?Italy          - Rome         - Ippodrome Tor Di Valle 
Tue 20  <same>
Thu 22 ?<same>


OCTOBER '94:
------------
Wed 12 *United Kingdom - London       - Earls Court              *Feb 17* 12K?
Thu 13 *<same>                          (concert: 7.45 - 10.30)
Fri 14 *<same> 
Sat 15 *<same> 
Sun 16  <same>
Wed 19  <same>
Thu 20 %<same>

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Some notes on this:

-> # before the country/state indicates a cancelled venue !!!
   * before the country/state indicates a sold out venue 
   % before the country/state indicates a rumoured venue
   ? indicates conflicting reports. Does anybody have details about them ?
   p before the country/state indicates a date that was on the tour list
     from Planet Earth Management (these are fairly accurate !)

-> Information collected by joining data from :
   - Herwig Henseler       [email protected] 
   - Vesa-Matti Sarenius   [email protected]
   - Piet de Bondt (me)    [email protected] 
   - Stefan Hauser         [email protected]
   - Alan Dundas           [email protected] 
   - Charlie Byrne         [email protected]
   - John T. Douglas       [email protected]
   - Jens Backlund         [email protected] (he also supplied the
             rec.music.gdead info from [email protected])
   - Geoff Rimmer          [email protected]
   - The Dutch Pink Floyd Fanzine "ECHOES" (thanks, Charles !) 
   - and of course the Pink Floyd mailing-list ([email protected])
             (many thanks to bear for making this all possible)

-> Ways to get the most recent dates: see header of this file

    by this list it states that Foxbore will be two dates May 19th, and
    20th, but no confirmation as far as I've heard for the 2nd date.... at 
    least they are free for the 2nd date....
    
    
    thanks for posting that info BTW !!!
    
    Chris

    
    I heard they'll let it got to 3 if necessary from some dj.
    

    ...i was fortunate enough to see the DSOTM concert at the Orpheum in
    boston some 20 years ago from 7th row center...i knew i was seeing
    a great concert, i just didn't know at the time that it would stand the
    test of time and be one of the greatest shows i'd ever see......having
    said that, i can't imagine that the experience i had seeing this band
    would translate well to a stadium setting...but i suppose they'd have
    to play a big venue at this time................../k 

    I should have look a little further...it lists the 18,19, & 20 for
    Foxbore giving them a day to get to Canada for the 22.....so it could
    happen, if they get greedy enough :')

    
    Last time, they had at least 2 full stage sets moving around the
    country, so they don't need more than a day or so between shows.
    
    And as far as 3 dates goes, it'll probably happen since they got
    permission from the Foxboro board of selectmen for three shows.
    
    Later...
    Steve
    

    anyone have any idea how the floor sections will be set up ? the ticket
    lady was no help as to how it was going to be set up.....
    
    
    thanks
    Chris

    rep. .229
    Im sorry I should at least state what venue huh !
    
    Foxboro

    ...well, well, well......I got two tickets, section 217....and I am
    PSYCHED!!!!!! I never thought i'd be able to get any tickets for this
    show.....now all we gotta do is wait for the new release....I hear
    late march/early April for the new one...anyone else confrim this??
    
    mac
    

    I got my tickets, and cannot wait to see Pink Floyd on this tour. I
    heard this about the tour. 
    
    REDEFINING THE ARENA CONCERT
    It should be incredible, anybody else get tickets, I got mine for the
    2nd show Friday night. They gave out wristbands from 1 to 150 and then
    picked a number that they would start with. I had number 77 and a
    friend had 74, so naturally they picked 85 to start with. But with
    about 35 to 40 people in front of us still they sold out the first show
    and we got the second show, I like the idea of going on a friday night
    better anyway.
    FAST EDDIE

    
    I got my tickets! :>
    
    Does anyone know where B1 and B2 is????
    
    Thanks,
    
    John

> Does anyone know where B1 and B2 is????

I called a couple of ticket agencies yesterday and asked them. They
both said that the field sections are designated A,B,C across, so B is
the center section. However, they don't have layout maps yet so they
don't know what the numbers mean. They expect to have that information
in a week or so.

Barry

    what gets me is that they don't know....how the hell can they sell
    seats and not know where the hell they are, I mean someone has thought
    up the seating layout to give the tickets a letter/number (such as B1
    and B2) so why the hell can't they tell the person selling the ticket
    vie the phone where these seats might posible be ?????
    
    let me ask this are those, B1 and B2, for the same night or different
    nights.....also is that just a location for a group of seats ?
    
    I ask because I got seats in A3.....and was told the location was a
    mystery to the ticket seller....Im guessing that A is the section and 3
    is the row.....or they set up the floor like so...
    
    			S	T	A	G	E
    			---------------------------------
    
    
    		A1			B1			C1
    
    		A2			B2			C2
    
    		A3			B3			C3
    
    and so on...
    
    I know I should just relax but whats the freaking problem with letting
    us know what we just bought !.....I might not have wanted them and
    would have liked to take something else...
    
    Chris

    re: I might...have liked something else.
    
    I've heard this is the reason they won't tell you. They don't want to 
    spin their wheels while the customer picks and chooses. Time is money.
    
    Rathole alert: With all due respect, I blame the consumer who puts up
    with it. Vote your wallet.
    
    Edd (hey db, scalpers always tell me where my seat is!) 

    
    I heard b1 was rows 1 thur 11......

    really I could care less, and as the rathole gos I did use my vote with
    my wallet, I HATE SCALPERS so I will not buy from them.
        
    >I've heard this is the reason they won't tell you. They don't want to
    >spin their wheels while the customer picks and chooses. Time is money.
    
    time is money ? they have the tickets and all the time in the world to
    sell them to you....I don't get your statement
    
    if a customer is not sure if he/she likes a ticket thats offered and
    asked for another ticket, they will lose the 1st ticket that was offered,
    because someone else has now taken that ticket....
    
    
    its a two way street

    hummm just called Foxboro and heres what they told me !
    
    
    
    		S	T	A	G	E
    
    		---------------------------------
    
    
    	A1			A2			A3
    
    
    
    	B1			B2			B3
    
    
    
    	C1			C2			C3
    
    
    
    and so on !
    
    
    she also told me that sections on the floor might have different
    amounts of rows, and the Sec I'm in (A3) has 16 rows.
    
    
    Chris

    > I don't get your statement....
    
    They can take 1/2 an hour to sell me 2 tickets I hand-picked, or
    take 10 other calls and sell tickets to all those folks.
    
    Edd

    it took them almost 15 minutes to sell me the ticket I got, I asked for
    non-floor seats 1st and I didn't like the section they were in so I
    said give me floor seat and was given A3 but she didn't know how the
    floor was set up, why she didn't know is what I don't understand.
    
    they will sell the tickets, time is not a factor to them as far as I
    could tell....as in she was not rushing me to pick what I wanted
    
    (I re-read what I wrote before and I can see why you made the statement
    you did Edd, I did pick what I wanted between floor and non-floor
    seats, my problem was if they only sell floor seat by the phone then
    they should be able to tell you just how it will be set-up....)
    
    Chris

    Well, I recall going to ticket outlets for "hot" shows where they were
    just printing tickets out as fast as they could and asking you "how
    many?".  If you even whimpered about location they would just ask the
    next person in line "how many?".
    
    On shows that are fast sellouts, the computers are running through
    seats so fast that by the time an operator could figure out what seats
    were available they could be sold before the poor guy can key in the
    commands to print the ticket!
    
    							Brian

    yes I remember those days, but then we didn't have the out-of-state
    ticket agents then so it was a even game ! if you slept out (like I
    have done) you got some damn good seats ! but that was then this is
    NOW ! different rules to go by....some like the new rules other don't.
    
    I don't think they are printing them out when you buy by the phone, I
    believe they are simply taging the seat on the computer to say you order
    number then when its all over they print out your ticket stuff it and
    then mail them to you.
    
    when you get to the window they ask how many...punch it in then show
    you where (you know they can do this but will they all the time is to
    be seen) I think it locks the tickets to that seller's terminal.
    
    I remember Bruce Springsteens Tunnel of Love tour in worcester, they
    had printed all the tickets out (there were stacks of them all over the
    place at the centrum box office) you had to pick which nite you wanted
    to go (as tickets were sold in pairs only and you could only buy two)
    no rush, as all the ticket were out, you could pick, they would give
    you the best they had but you still could pick...not the greatest
    system but the idea was to give everyone that had a wristband two
    tickets without worry of a sell-out.

I agree that Ticketmaster not knowing (or disclosing) the seating
arrangement for a concert stinks. I really wish there were some way to
force them to provide better service. Voting with your money is
futile. There are thousands of other people ready to spend their money
if you don't.

Re: .243
> I think it locks the tickets to that seller's terminal.

Yes. For a hot show like Pink Floyd, they must have many agents
all trying to access the same data at the same time. For an agent to
offer a specific set of seats, he would have to hold an exclusive read
lock on those seats until the customer makes a decision. I suppose
that's a reasonable thing to do as long as there are limits on the
number of locks any agent can hold and a timeout mechanism.

Barry

    well I got the tickets...not bad section A3 row 4 seats 17-21

Re: .239

> Floor layout from the Stadium info line

Would you mind posting that phone number? Thanks,

Barry

    questions on stadium policy.....508-543-0350
    

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Got this off of echoes for the rest of you:  to be released in early
April in the US.  (held back because problems choosing title and
artwork)

Track listing:

1.  Nearly Touching/Cluster One
2.  What Do You Want From Me
3.  Poles Apart
4.  Marooned
5.  A Great Day For Freedom
6.  Wearing The Inside Out
7.  Take It Back
8.  Keep Talking
9.  Coming Back To Life
10.  Lost For Words
11.  High Hopes


remember, I only saw (and know) what I read... Andy


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To be released April 5th in US.

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In article alt.music.pink-floyd Andy Lindeman wrote:
: To be released April 5th in US.

But: World exclusive premiere: morning of March 21st on Virgin 1215 in
UK! (Richard Skinner said so this morning, so it must be true!) What's
the betting that there'll be  Tommy Vance interview soon as well?

--

Paddy Spencer             | "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene
   [email protected] |  bag is fast and bulbous. Got me?"
   [email protected]    |    - Capt Beefheart

    ...I also hear the title is something like "the decider bell" or
    something to that effect...it's taken from the Parliament, specifically
    the bell they use to limit the politicals to a time-limit...thanks for
    the update on the track listings....
    
    macx
    

Re -1

.248

>Subject: New lp: The Division Bell

    From the Internet....

Subject: Keep Talking on the radio! (First impressions & lyrics)


I just heard "Keep Talking" on the radio!  I happened to be listening
to Virgin 1215 through my satellite receiver (BTW, that's the only way
to get it in stereo). Just before twelve o'clock, someone said "Watch
out for the Pink Floyd special, coming between twelve and one". Wow!
So, I stayed tuned, and then, at 13:32 CET came the announcement:

"You're listening to Virgin 1215, I'm Richard Skinner, and here comes
a very very special moment in the history of this radio station, as we
become the very first radio station in the world to play music from the
brand new album from Pink Floyd. The album is called "The Division Bell".
It's a couple of weeks away, it'll be in the shops soon. From it, we
must thank the Floyd and EMI and the boys at Abbey Road studios for
an exclusive first play of a song called "Keep Talking". This is the
Floyd, first time anywhere, and listen out for the synthesized voice
of professor Stephen Hawking as featured in that dramatic BT satellite
TV ad. "Keep Talking", Pink Floyd, on Virgin 1215."

And then (surprise!) they played "Keep Talking". I wasn't particularly
impressed by it at first, but now, after a couple more listens, I think
it's very good. Dave's singing reminds me a bit of "Sorrow". Overall,
the sound is much "thicker", more complete, sort of, than on MLoR. It
definitely sounds "Floydy" enough. The instrumental parts (especially
the guitar and synth solos) are excellent!

After the song, Richard Skinner said:

"Should Virgin be on FM stereo, or what, eh? Like to hear that on FM
stereo? Do your bit, call for a petition pack, now, our number 0645
75 1215. I can tell you, that was magnificent in stereo. "Keep Talking",
exclusive to Virgin 1215. Pink Floyd, and a song from their new album
"The Division Bell". That was the first time anyone in the world (outside
of the band, and the record company) have heard that song. Thanks again
to EMI, Pink Floyd and Abbey Road studios for letting us play that for
you today. And make sure you keep it on Virgin for more exclusive first
plays of music from that album. Pink Floyd, first on Virgin 1215!

Here come the Smashing Pumpkins. Wasn't that a good record? I'll play
that again for you soon."


I wrote a transcript of the lyrics, and they're included below.

WARNING: If you don't want to see the lyrics, stop reading now!




Ok, here are the lyrics. Stephen Hawking "speaks" the "" parts, the ()
parts are sung by the backing vocalists, and the rest is Dave.


	Keep Talking
	~~~~~~~~~~~~

"For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then something
happened that unleashed the power of our imagination -- the urge to talk."

There's silence around me
I can't seem to think straight
I sit in the corner
And noone can bother me

I think I should speak now        (Why won't you talk to me?)
I can't seem to speak now         (You never talk to me)
My words won't come out right     (What are you thinking?)
I feel like I'm drowning          (What are you feeling?)
I'm feeling weak now              (Why won't you talk to me?)
I can't show my weakness          (You never talk to me)
I sometime wonder                 (What are you thinking?)
Where do we go from here?         (What are you feeling?)

"It doesn't have to be like this. All we
need to do, is make sure we keep talking."

[Guitar & synth solos]

                                  (Why won't you talk to me?)
I feel like I'm drowning          (You never talk to me)
You know I can't breathe now      (What are you thinking?)
We're going nowhere               (What are you feeling?)
We're going nowhere               (Why won't you talk to me?)
                                  (You never talk to me)
                                  (What are you thinking?)
                                  (Where do we go from here?)

"It doesn't have to be like this. All we
need to do, is make sure we keep talking."

    Anyone else still waiting for their tickets from Ticketmaster for the
    Foxboro show? I ordered them the day they went on sale and still 
    haven't received them.
    
    	Thanks,
    
    	Barry

    I believe they don't send them out until a couple of weeks before the
    show date.
    Best bet is to call and verify this.
    
    Joyce

    I got my tickets quick because my wife had them sent fedx next day or
    something like that....

re .251

It sounded like Stephen Hawking was using a DECtalk unit, with the voice of
"Carlos" yet ...

- DC

    
    
    I think the actual phoneme generator is a common chip.  I have a
    MicroVOX speech synthesizer that sound much like this.
    

    Well the new album has been out for a few days now, and very good it is
    too. Sounds a lot more like a Pink Floyd album than `Momentary Lapse of
    Reason' did. Nice to hear Rick on vocals again. Buy it.
                                    
    Phil Gill.

    ...It looks like a sculpture to me, and I wonder whose mansion that is
    behind the sculpture, and the field? Sincew the entire album is devoted
    to communication or the lack of it, perhaps that's Dave mansion, and
    the album is about his relationship and its shortcomings? BTW, is Dave
    married, etc? Anyone know? 
    
    I love the album, very rich texture to it....I'll be listening to it
    all this weekend.....and looking forward to the show at Foxboro....
    
    mac
    

   There is a credit for "art and sculpture" on the album.  I don't have the
   CD with me so can't tell you who it is.

   Good album.  Has parts that sound like some of the older stuff.  I, too,
   can't wait for the concert, though I'm seeing it in San Diego next
   Thursday!

   -- Sam
   

    Has everyone that has ordered Pink Floyd tickets gotten them?  I
    ordered tickets for the Friday night show via Ticketbastard and haven't
    recieved them yet.....yet all of the people that I have talked to
    recieved their tickets weeks ago....there is another month left before
    the show so i guess I shouldn't be worrying yet...
    
    hmmmm...
    
    :), danielle

    >>I'm still patiently waiting for July 5 to arrive.
    
    Lucky you! I have to wait until October 26th to see them at Earls
    Court, which at the last count had been extended to SIXTEEN nights!
    By a complete fluke I managed to get 5th-row seats, so it should be
    worth the wait. 
                              
    Phil Gill.

    >>         BTW how many people can you fit in Earl's Court?
    
    I believe it's about 15,000.
    
    I think the reason for the never-ending addition of extra nights is
    because it is the only venue they are playing in the UK, and as each
    night sells out, they add another.
    
    When I called last week, the 26th October was nearly sold out but I
    managed to get 2 seats near the back. When I rang 3 days later on
    behalf of my nephew, I was offered front-section seats for the same
    night! As they had only decided that day to add yet another night, I
    think it possibly freed up some front seats that they may be reserving
    for the last night.
    
    Phil Gill.
                                         

    No Yoko, no fighter jets, no Blimp, no orchestras.  Just PINK Floyd.
    Frankly, they were so good I'm glad they didn't have the other
    distractions. There was a very huge steel Hat-shell like stage, a Quad
    system that knocks your ears off, unbelievable pyrotechnics and lasers.
    This past Saturday night 75,000 Rosebowl (Pasedena) fans, all ages, all
    enjoying quite a concert. For those of you who can, I strongly
    recommend attending.  A-W-E-S-O-M-E  3 hours.
    
    BTW, did I mention the huge pigs?

   (I don't usually do this kind of thing, but someone asked for it a while
    back.  Hope it's not too long.)

   Well, I'm back from the P.F. show in San Diego which I attended last
   Thursday, 14-Apr-1994.  In a word, "awesome".  The most spectacular
   concert I've ever attended.  Describing the show is nearly futile to
   someone who hasn't seen it.  Everything from laser generated "film" quality
   images on stage to holograms in the sky.  For those that don't want to know
   more I'll put the rest behind a <FF>.



   The show was held at Jack Murphy Stadium in San Diego.  It was full to
   capacity, but the staff managed to keep everyone moving well. They had
   erected a huge "shell"-like backdrop at one end of the field, which
   contained a large circular "screen".  Into this screen they somehow blasted
   lasers to create pictures, which ranged from shots of their album covers to
   motion oriented "films".  This was *not* a standard back-projection screen,
   as was evidenced by their ability to tilt and rotate the screen at will. 
   The entire stage setup was huge, to the point you could barely make out the
   band members on stage.  Just as well:  the show here was as much lights,
   smoke, lasers, and images as it was "seeing" the Pink Floyd members.  We
   were, however, close enough to see them.  (Hint to those going:  It so big,
   it doesn't really matter how close you get, as long as you're "out in
   front". If you've got seats off to the side you won't see as much of the
   laser show.)

   Oh yes, at one point huge inflated pigs came out from either side of the
   stage and bobbed up and down.  Regardless of the fact that they didn't do
   any songs from "Animals".  (See set list enclosed below, if you're
   interested.)  There's also a huge silver ball that gets lifted above the
   audience and the opens like a flower - but I won't spoil it by revealing
   what's inside...  :-)

   They came on about 15 minutes after they were due to start (8pm) and played
   for 3� hours including one ~15 minute intermission.  There was no opening
   band.

   All in all it was the best concert I've ever been to.  I've been a fan of
   theirs since '72 when I bought "Dark Side" hot off the presses (I was 12 at
   the time...).  I've since acquired, or at least listened to, most of the
   stuff they've ever done.  My nephew, who's 24, is also really into them,
   and is the one who got the tickets for us.  Getting to see the concert with
   both him and one of my best friends from my high school days, who moved to
   San Diego years ago, added quite a bit to the overall experience for me.

   Set list for the concert behind a <FF>.  I'm told this is the same list
   used for all shows.
   


   Pink Floyd "Division Bell" tour set list from 14-April-1994
   show in San Diego's Jack Murphy Stadium
   -----------------------------------------------------------

   Astronomy Domin�
   Learning to Fly
   What Do You Want From Me
   Great Day for Freedom
   Sorrow
   Take It Back
   On the Turning Away
   Keep Talking
   One of These Days
   
   <intermission - ~15 minutes> 
   
   Shine on You Crazy Diamond
   Breathe
   High Hopes
   Wish You Were Here
   Another Brick in the Wall, Part II
   Great Gig in the Sky
   Us & Them
   Money
   Comfortably Numb
   
  Encore:
   Hey You
   Run Like Hell 

re   <<< Note 48.269 by SSDEVO::LAMBERT "I made life easy just by laughing" >>>
                    -< Review of 4/14/94 show in San Diego >-

>   interested.)  There's also a huge silver ball that gets lifted above the
>   audience and the opens like a flower - but I won't spoil it by revealing
>   what's inside...  :-)

Nice ... they had that at the '89 shows, too.

>   Money

OK, here's my stupid question for the week.  I was under the (obviously
incorrect) impression that the P.F. songs which were written by Waters could
not be played by the Waterless P.F. ... but I guess the group now has rights
(? you can probably tell I'm not that familiar with the music biz) to the
entire P.F. catalog of tunes?

- DC

    
    They played Waters stuff on the last tour, too (from which Delicate
    Sound of Thunder was made).  I remember there being some sort of hubbub
    about it when Momentary Lapse of Reason came out, but I don't remember
    any details.
    
    DFW

    
    	A few replies back stated that they played Great Gig In The Sky"
    
    	- who are the female singers?
    	
    					Absolutley love that song.
    
    
    	Hope they don't "scale down" the concert at Earls Court - 
    
    
    
    
    
    
    						Stuart

    
    	MMMM,
    		Haven't heard Claudia Fontaine - 
    
    	were they good at Great Gig?
    
    
    
    						Stuart

    Surprised at the lack of dicussion regarding "Division Bell"...
    
    The first Floyd album in, what, 7 years? Of course, the tour is
    exciting, and possibly overshadowing what I have come to recognize
    as a great album.
    
    Back there someone asked who's mansion that is behind the sculptures on
    the cover, and if it was Dave Gilmore's...
    
    I don't think so, as Dave's mansion is actually a boat! Dave lives on a
    restored 19th century house boat on the Thames river outside of London.
    Most of the boat has been set up as a recording studio, and much of the
    "tracking" for DB was actually done there.
    
    Also, I hope no one is "fooled" by the optical illusion created by the
    statues... because they appear in the foreground of the picture they
    look very large, possibly as much as 20 feet high, but I would bet they
    are actually no more than 2 feet high. I've had a fair amount of
    experience lately hacking with a software package for the Macintosh
    called Adbobe Photoshop (there's a Windows version which I've also
    used), and I can tell you from experience that it's a piece of cake to
    superimpose one picture on another. Got anyone you want to blackmail?
    Maybe put your least favorite politician next to a hooker? See me! :-)
    Anyway, I would bet that there is really only one of the sculptures,
    and they just used the "invert" feature of this (or similar software)
    to create a mirror image. It's really cool though the way the two faces
    combine to form another face. Just another mind f*ck, courtesy of the
    masters!
    
    Brian

    I bought it. I think it's great. I think if you take all of what I
    consider to be the best PF pieces of the past and extrapolate that
    curve out, what, 7 years, you have The Division Bell. I think that's a
    good thing. I'm still working my way through it. But I fell better about
    it with each listening. The only negative remark I *might* have is that
    Gilmore's guitar work sounds a little bit conservative. Like he was
    staying with what worked well for him in the past. I don't get the
    feeling that he did much stretching on this outing.

    --Ron

    	The Division Bell spends a lot of time in the CD player at my
    house. I find that it flows (all the tracks) together just wonderfully,
    and as usual I still have no idea what song titles go with what song
    (like most of the Floyd LPs, except for the big radio hits) which by
    the way is how I like it :') to me its one long song @65 minutes I
    think.
    
    Chris

    
    I've had Division Bell for two weeks now and have listened to it a lot.  
    I've heard complaints that Division Bell sounds like just another Pink
    Floyd album.  Absolutely, it sounds just like an extension to Animals, 
    Dark Side Of the Moon, The Wall (my favorite), Momentary lapse of
    reason, etc.  That's what I like about this album, it's the latest
    variation on an old theme.  I think what's great about Pick Floyd is
    that there entire career has become one big concept album.  It all
    flows together.
    
    Comfortably_Numb_Al
    

   Yep, I agree.  I've been listening to it a lot, and find similarities
   between it and several other albums (one song starts off sounding very much
   like "Welcome to the Machine"), yet sounding fresh at the same time.

   If you want a good laugh check out the alt.music.pink-floyd newsgroup on
   USENET.  As usual, a bunch of overly-opinionated college freshmen trying
   to act the part of music critics.  Hah hah.

   Keep Talking,

   -- Sam
   

	I attended the Pink Floyd's Concert in El Paso, Tx. [Sun Bowl Stadium]
last April 26th... together with 35,000 fans.  It was something really hard to
explain... the lasers, the lights, the fireworks, the videos, the special
visual-effects on the stage, the INCREDIBLE surrounding sound, and the best:
Pink Floyd and its Music on the stage, Live!!

	The sole PF music worths the ticket price, and the sole show also does
it. But if you gather together both, the music & the show, is something simply
Awesome.

	I really recommend you to attend the show. It worths! [check the "High
Hopes" Concert's Version. It's great!].

	I wouldn't like to use this words to describe the concert, because
they are from Waters' "Amused to Death" song, from the same-name album, but
I think they fit to this purpose: "...It Was The Greatest Show On Earth...".

	Now, I'd like to comment on other PF stuffs...

	In some previous replies, someone asked about the mansion behind the
sculptures in the  Division Bell's cover.  That's not the Dave Gilmour's 
Mansion. That is the Ely Cathedral in Cambridgeshire, England [BTW. You, 
guys from England, is this Cathedral close to "Grantchester Meadows"? they 
are supposed to be in Cambridge...].

	And responding to the Stuart's notes .272 & .274, where he's asking
Who sings "Great Gig in the Sky"...

	The original version in Dark Side of the Moon [the best I've ever
heard] was performed by Claire Torrey, and the Division Bell Concert's
version was performed by Sam Brown [1st. part], Durga McBroom [2nd. part]
and Claudia Fontaine [3rd. part]. In my very personal opinion, the Claudia
Fontaine's part wasn't good enough [specially if you've heard the DSoM
version before, or even the Delicate Sound of Thunder version...]. But in
general, it was a "Great Gig in the Sky"...

	I'd like to comment on the Division Bell production. In my opinion,
they are trying to follow the Old PF's line, and they do it very well...
except one song: "Coming Back to Life". I think this song doesn't sound
like Floyd's material [REMARK: Excepting the Guitar Solos...], and I think
that Roger Waters wouldn't launch a song like that as the PF leader...

	When I think about the PF's "Waterless" productions, I wonder what
would happen if Roger Waters would still on the band; and I realize that
the actual PF band is missing a part of its Soul, Concept and Lyrics that
RW gave to the band. I think that Roger has more of Pink Floyd  than Dave.
[Just compare Gilmour's "About Face" vs. Waters' "Amused to Death"...
which one follows more the PF line?? think about it  ;-)  ].

	Roger and Dave were complement to each other to make Great Music,
so the band without Waters will never be the same... [It's sad   :-(   ].
Nevertheless, we will still listening music from Dave and Roger, each one
on his own road, and I'm sure that it will be NOT only music, but GREAT
MUSIC... 
	They know how to do it...     :-)


	P.S.   Sorry for my English, but I am Mexicano!


	- Egbert

		    The Ultimate Pink Floy Trivia Test *

 1. What do "The Tea Set" "Sigma Six","The Flowers" & "Jokers Wild" all have in
    common?
 2. Whose are the vocals on: a)"One of these Days", b)"Have A Cigar" & c)"Great
    Gig in the Sky" (DSoM version).
 3. Who are Madamoiselle Nobbs & Seamus, and what is their relationship with
    Pink Floyd?
 4. Who else made an album called "Dark Side of the Moon", and when?
 5. Who directed "The Wall"? Name two other films made by him featuring music
    and entertainment.
 6. What is the underlying theme for "Wish you Were Here"?
 7. Who drove a van for which famous fashion house?
 8. Who attended which music college?
 9. Who produced "Arnold Layne"?
10. Who is Norman Smith, what other name does he use and for what is this alias
    noted?
11. What does "Ummagumma" mean?
12. Name the two stars who provided spoken material for DSoM, but were rejected
    in favour of, among others, Jerry the Irish doorman.
13. Who played on a session for WYWH, but was not eventually used. With whom
    was he recording at the time in EMI studios?
14. In what country was "Another Brick..." banned?
15. Who was first considered as a replacement for Syd Barrett in 1967?
16. Which future Lieutenant Governor of California worked on wich Pink Floyd
    soundtrack & who directed that movie?
17. Which director went on to make which successful Hollywood film after making
    "More" & "La Vallee"?
18. What is scientifically incorrect on DSoM's cover, and what is missing?
19. Is Syd Barretts's real name Roger, David, Nick or Rick?
20. Was DSoM originally conceived in Abbey Road, St Augustine's Road or Rodeo
    Drive?
21. Where did the title of Atom Heart Mother come from?

    Where would you find:
22. "Coral Caves"
23. "Watchig the Watcher"
24. "Distant ships' smoke.."
25. A wooden leg
26. Reference to the I Ching
27. " quiet desperation "

28. Who is the strange figure on the right hand side of the cover of "Saucer"?
29. Which ballet company did Pink Floyd play live for? Who was it's director &
    who initially agreed to dance the lead role? Who intended to direct the
    proposed movie, and what was the story to be based on?
30. What was DSoM originally called, when performed live?
31. What was the previous studio album called?
32. What did the engineer of DSoM go on to write & produce?
33. Who appeared at the recording of "Shine On You Crazy Diamond"?
34. What escaped from Battersea power station?
35. Who else was on the bill when Pink Floyd first played The Winterland
    Ballroom in 1967?
36. What's behind the red veil?
37. Where was "Animals" recorded?
38. Who was the orchestral arranger on "The Wall" and what is his connection
    with Sherwood forest?
39. Who was in which studio recording what album during the making of Piper at
    the Gates of of Dawn?
40. Which artist animated "The Wall"? Who is he married to and who was her
    previous boyfriend? Who is her brother, and what was his partner called?
41. What is the longest song title in the Floyd repertoire and what is the
    shortest?
42. What is the meaning of the Division Bell?
43. What is the building behind the statues on the cover of the Floyd's latest
    album?
44. Where were the "Games For May" held and in which year?
45. Which of Floyd's secretaries later married a pop star?
46. What was Hipgnosis and what names were associated with it?
47. Where is Grantchester Meadows?
48. Who is Gerald?
49. Who supported Floyd on their first Japanese gig and which year was this?
50. Who inspired "One Of These Days" and who inspired "Shine On You Crazy
    Diamond"?

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Answers:

1.  They were all bands containing one or more members of Pink Floyd.
2.  a)Nick Mason, b)Roy Harper, c) Claire Torrey.
3.  They are both singing dogs who have recorded with the band.
4.  a)Medicine Head, b)1972.
5.  a)Alan Parker, b)"Fame", c)"The Commitments".
6.  Absence, physical or mental.
7.  David Gilmour for Ozzie Clark's Quorum.
8.  a)Richard Wright, b)The London College of Music.
9.  Joe Boyd.
10. a)Producer of both "Piper..." & "Saucerful", b)also known as "Hurricane
    Smith", c)an English hit record called "Oh Babe, What Would You Say?".
11. Cambridgeshire slang for fucking.
12. Paul & Linda McCartney.
13. a)Stephane Grappelli, b)he was recording with Yehudi Menuhin.
14. South Africa.
15. Jeff Beck, but the band were too in awe of him to ask.
16. a)Mike Curb (as in "gutter"), b)"Zabrkie Point", c)Michaelangelo Antonioni.
17. a)Barbet Schroeder, b)"Barfly".
18. a)There are only six colours of the spectrum when there should be seven.
    b)The missing colour is Indigo.
19. Roger Keith Barrett.
20. St Augustine's Road.
21. A newspaper headline.
22. Echoes.
23. Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun.
24. Comfortably Numb.
25. Corporal Clegg.
26. Chapter 24.
27. Time.
28. Doctor Strange from Marvel Comics.
29. a)Ballet de Marseilles, b)Roland Petit, c)Rodolf Nureyev, d)Roman Polanski,
    e)"A la recherche du temps perdu" by Marcel Proust.
30. Eclipse.
31. Meddle.
32. The Alan Parsons Project.
33. Syd Barrett.
34. The inflatable pig that was being photographed for the animals album cover.
35. Richie Havens and big Brother & The Holding Company.
36. A nude woman.
37. Britannia Row Studios.
38. a)Michael Kamen, b)he co-wrote "Everything I do..." for Bryan Adams.
39. a)The Beatles, b)Abbey Road Studios, c)"Sergeant Pepper".
40. a)Gerald Scarfe, b)Jane Asher, c)Paul McCartney, d)Peter Asher, e)Gordon
    Waller (of Peter & Gordon).
41. a)"Several Species of Small Furry Animals gathered Together in a Cave and
    Grooving with a Pict", b)"If".
42. The bell that is rung in the Houses of Parliament to call the members to
    vote with either "ayes" or "noes".
43. Ely cathedral in Cambridgeshire, England.
44. a)Royal Festival Hall London, b)1967.
45. June Child, later to marry Marc Bolan of T-Rex.
46. a)The design company that produced all of Floyd's early artworks, b)Storm
    Thorgerson and Aubrey Powell.
47. Cambridge, England.
48. A Mouse in "Bike" from Piper at the Gates of Dawn.
49. a)Buffy Sainte Marie and The 1910 Fruit Gum Company, b)1971.
50. a)English Dj. Jimmy Young, b)Syd Barrett.

Scores:
    0-10   You probably thought you were coming to a ball game.
    11-29  You really prefer Led Zeppelin, but they're not touring this year...
    30-50  Mr Average.
    51-60  You have few friends, but all the albums.
    61-78  This depth of knowledge is simply unhealthy.
    79     Cheat. A career in politics beckons.

* Taken from a programme for sale on the Division Bell Tour
  1994 Pink Floyd Music 1987 Ltd.

  Enjoy it.

  - Egbert.

    ...GREAT trivia,I'll be bringing it to the Foxbror, Mass. show...BTW,
    are any other noters from the Mass. area going to the shows? I'm there
    on May 19th....anyone else? PErhaps we could get a notesfile tailgate
    pahty going......
    
    mac
    

    
    Anyone know how the rows are set up? I know it goes sec A, B... But how
    about how many seats per sec ex.
    
    Thanks
                                   
    John

    ...any Ticketmaster will have the seating, ot the ticket agency where
    you got you tix...mine had a layout, I'm in Sec, 210 (i think, though
    it's been a while since i looked at the tix!)...We'll be a'
    tail-gaiting in the closest pahking lot near Foxboro stadium...steak
    tips will be cookin'!!!!
    
    mac_who_is_going_to_the_MAy_19th_show_and_then_graduates_from_college_on
    _May_23rd_and_will_be_on_a_roll!!!!!
    y
    

    floor seats are set up like so (as I was told by Foxboro Managment)
    
    
    
    	stage
    
    A1   A2   A3
    B1   B2   B3
    C1   C2   C3
    
    
    and so on....I know I put a layout in here a few notes back...check it
    out.
    
    Chris

    Hey, anybody going on the 18th??  There's six of us going (mostly from
    DEC).  
    
    H

    
    In some phone books there are layout of different stadiums and foxboro
    is in the framingham book.
    Is there anyone else going on the 20th?
    
    A
    

    
    Hi Ann,
    
    I'm goinf on the 20th. Sec B2! :>
    
    John

    ANy reviews of the show last night? I have 12 people heading up
    tommorow (20th) from Conn.
    
    Thanks,
    John

    
    
    It's the Floyd, dude!  The show's different for everyone...  unless
    you've got some new kind of pharmaceutical I haven't heard of...
    
    

They have by far the most impressive visual effects I've ever seen or
heard of. Lights, strobes, films, smoke, multi-colored laser arrays, 
etc., on a massive scale. Giant inflatable warthogs on top of both 
PA towers. A huge mirror ball that rises and opens up like a flower. 
Synched flash powder pots. Fireworks.

The sound wasn't too good to start with. The bass was tubby and the
side and rear speakers weren't working. Once they got everything
working with the EQ set correctly, it was excellent.

The performance... superb. The highlight for me was the sax solo
in DSOTM. They're touring with the same guy who played on the album
and he was much better than the others they've had.

Barry

    How long was the show 

    Last night(Thursday) was show #2 for Foxboro. Most of the first set the
    sound was muted. Although they did adjust the mix during the end of the
    first set(which was mostly Division Bell material) and it did improve 
    overall, it was unfortunate that the audio quality did not measure up
    to the visual spectromagic which was devastating!
    
    Highlights: Best Song...Hey You..
                Best Guitar Solo...Comfortably Numb..
                Best Vocal(Band) You'd better run
                Best Vocal(Solo) Breathe (Female)
    
    Overall Impression: The rain and cold licked it...Sooooooooo
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    I be goin again TONIGHT!!!!
    
    
    
    
                                                         Doug.

    
    
    	Cant wait!!!! Leaving Merrimack,NH around 3:30pm!!
    	SueJ

    
    I went to the Friday show... great as usual.
    
    I sort of wished that, although it was cold, I'd gone to one of the
    misty-rainy shows.  The wind kept blowing away the smoke, and coupled 
    with the clear sky, made for fairly wimpy lasers.
    
    The "Division Bell" blimp was pretty cool...
    
    Later...
    Steve
    

    I was at the Friday show as well...
    
    As Steve said, it was a great show. From Foxboro, they pack it off to
    Montreal Quebec for three nights.
    
    We were sitting stage left, in the additional seats that opened up the
    week of the show. When we sat down, we were almost directly to the left
    of the stage. However, Foxboro has bleachers (which is a good and bad
    thing, but I'll get back to that), so as soon as the show started the
    people to the right of us started to push us to the left, so we pushed
    the people to the left of us even further to the left and by the encores,
    we had a full view of the stage. I'd say I ended up moving a good 50'
    to the left from start to finish. It was getting downright cozy there
    at the end. I can't complain though because I was also fortunate
    enough to be sitting next to a way cute young lassie. :-) The bleacher
    seats are indeed a mixed blessing... by the time they closed the second
    set with "Comfortably Numb", I was thinking the song should be called 
    "Uncomfortable Bum!". Even sitting on a pad, the metal bleachers raised
    some serious hell with mon derrier! The other thing, as Steve said, was
    that even though we were doing the Sardine Thang, it was still
    freezing!
    
    Some other random thoughts... best version of "One of These Days" I've
    ever heard to close the first set... A little cloud cover would have
    helped the laser light show... the Division Bell blimp was cool, but
    did a disappearing act after the start of the show. I was surprised at
    this because it appeared to have lights on it which I would expect
    were intended as part of the light show. And finally... I liked
    the material from Division Bell the best as I've heard (and seen
    Pink Floyd perform) most of the other stuff enough times now that
    it doesn't impress me much anymore.
    
    PF are looking old, especially with David Gilmour dressed in a suit, but
    they still write and play great! This could very well be the last PF
    tour (it's been seven years since they took "Momentary Lapse" on the
    road), so I'm glad I got to see them.
    
    Brian

    
    Yikes!
    
    	I thought that show was awesome outside of the vocals on 'Gig'.
    	That has to be the WORST version I've ever heard from the band. The
    	Division Bell stuff was very good as well as the older stuff. Can't
    	say I ever got tired of hearing the older stuff, especially done LIVE.
     	As usual the special effects were outstanding. Gilmore was definately 
    	in great form. I think PF shows are absolutely UNBEATABLE. As 
    	mentioned earlier, I noticed the absence of the blimp also. I think 
    	that would have made a great addition to the light show. I have a 
    	laser disc with a similar show and the effects in that show were 
    	outstanding. Just the thought that they could come across with BETTER 
    	effects than that show made the night even more enjoyable. Because of 
    	the outdoor setting, fireworks were possible and used is great 
    	abundance for the show. Plenty of light! Definately a cool version
    	of One Of These Days! Loved it when the pigs fell out into the
    	audience at the end of the song. This is definately the band to SEE
    	and HEAR. Sound was absolutely awesome. I thought the sound was
    	almost as good as having a pair of headphones on. Imagine that in
    	a stadium?? BTW I didn't think PF look old...the Stone's look OLD! :^)
    
     
    John

    >BTW I didn't think PF look old...the Stone's look OLD! :^)
    
    John,
    
    Lemme guess... you didn't buy the program, did you? Fifteen bucks
    gets you a copy of Geriatric Digest... talk about looking old!!!!
    (It's even worse when you look stoned _and_ old!)
    
    Brian

	Great show, my first Floyd and well worth it.
	
	The crowd was enthralled the whole second half of the show
	(there was too much moving around, getting drinks, etc. during
	the first half for my taste).

	The lights were thrilling when combined with the sound, which
	was very clear.  They made good use of the extra speakers along
	the sides of the stadium, but only for sound effects for the most
	part.

	The warthogs were hilarious.  The big question in my row was,
	were they pushed or did they jump?  :-)

	The reflecting ball was especially fun.

	Having never been to a PF show before, I didn't know quite
	what to expect.  But they really managed to bring the albums
	to life.  Quite something when you get 50,000 people time-
	tripping.

    re: 298
    
    	Yes, I DID buy the program. Nice job on this one. NO advertisment
    	like most others. I really didn't expect them to look like they 
    	were in their twenties... Mason looks puzzled, doesn't he?
    
    
    John

    John:
    
    Then it must be that age is relative to the eyes of the beholder! :-)
    
    I heard someone refer to the Stones tour (which you mentioned earlier) as
    the "Steel Bedpan" tour... :->
    
    Brian

    
    	Must admit - you people are getting me excited about this tour - 
    think It's going to be my best gig ever!
    
    
    					Stuart

    
    
          Re:-1
    
                   Yea, I know what you mean! This show will be my 1st live
     Floyd. I'm going June 18th to see them in Mile High Stadium-Denver! I
     hope they do The Wall part-2 live. 
    
                              Jeff
    

    
    Blair,
    
    It's the first track of their first studio album "Piper at the gates of
    dawn" - it was written by founder member Syd Barratt.
    
    There's also a single release of "Tke it back" out there which features
    Astronomy Domin� live (from Miami).
    
    Kevin.
    
    

    "Astronomy Domine" is also the opening track om the live half of
    "Ummagumma".  For some reason, when they reissued "Piper" as half of
    the "A Nice Pair" 2-LP set back in 1974, the live version was
    substituted. I assume the CD restores the original?
    
    It does have vocals.
    
    							Brian

    Seeing Pink Floyd 7 years ago for the first time was an out of body
    experience.  Didn't know what to expect, but the show was instantly
    transported into my all time top 5 shows.  Now, the wait for the Yankee
    Stadium show on 6/11 seem much too far away!!!
    
    All these positive reviews are just wetting my whistle for the real
    thing.
    
    The Pink Floyd blimp has been spotted flying over downtown Manhattan
    for the past few weeks.
    
    Having seen the set list in the notesfile, it's nice to see they're
    pulling out some really old stuff and making it fresh.
    
    Fredda

    I think that "Astronomy Domine" was the name of the song they opened up
    the Foxboro shows with....could be wrong though...

   re: .-1

   It is.  (I wasn't at that show, but they're playing pretty much the same
   set list at all the shows, and they always open with A.D..)

   -- Sam

Ummagumma is an interesting album ... I love the live side (makes me wish
for more live Floyd releases), while the studio side is a "laughing ourselves
all the way to the bank" effort IMO (and isn't this phrase symbolized on the
cover of some Floyd album?) ... with maybe the exception of Gilmour's
"The Narrow Way."

I heard live versions of "If" and "Fat Old Sun" (from Atom Heart Mother)
on the radio once; they knocked my socks off ... wish the DJ had identified
the source, venue etc.

- DC

    Just heard a live version of "Astronomy Domine" on the radio; it was
    recorded on the current tour (Miami) and appears on the B-side of one
    of the singles off the new album.  Recording quality is better, but
    otherwise nowhere near the Ummagumma version imo.  If you've never heard
    that one, I recommend seeking it out.
    
    Btw, how does Floyd do tunes like this, and then with a straight face
    complain about being called a "space band".  What a larf!
    
    /seamus

re           <<< Note 48.311 by RICKS::CALCAGNI "tripe my guacomole" >>>
                         -< Astronomy getting airplay >-

>    Btw, how does Floyd do tunes like this, and then with a straight face
>    complain about being called a "space band".  What a larf!
    
I saw a Floyd t-shirt with a neat logo ... had a picture of Voyager; above
it read "Pink Floyd" and below "Still First In Space"   ;^)

    A *true* Pink Floyd concert anecdote: nothing to do with PF, but I
    thought it was funny anyway...
    
    While walking around before the PF show at Fo'bo last Friday, I
    saw a kid with a T-shirt that read:
    
    			"STENCH OF PISS - WORLD TOUR"
    
    I can just imagine what their opening act was called! :-)
    
    Brian

    The guy that writes for Time magazine really hates the new album except
    for "Keep Talking". The column's subtitle actually read "It's Terrible".
    Sheesh. He may have tipped his hand, though, by revealing a what seemed
    a tremendous amount of respect for Roger Waters.

    RE: -1
    
    In a nutshell: screw him! I love it. Time/Life can take their
    magazines, their awful retrospective CDs, their cheezy multi-volume
    "you'll receive just one book a month" fluff, and stuff the entire
    collection. All the way up. My Humble Opinion of course. :-)
    
    There, now that I got that off my chest...

    I've been really enjoying the song "High Hopes" since I saw it done
    live...
    
    I assume they used a MIDI pad to trigger a sampler for the bell sound.
    I was too far away to see, even with binoculars.
    
    Brian

    
    re: .314
    
    You can't call this an unbiased opinion.  After all, Pink Floyd doesn't
    record for Warner.
    
    DFW

    .315
    
    Brian, but tell us how you really feel !
    
    :')
    
    I 2nd what you said Brian....
    
    Chris

                           
    I read the Time magazine article on "Division Bell", then went back and
    listened to the album a few more times (many, actually).  I wonder if
    the author of the article actually bothered to listen to the album, I
    like it more each time I hear it.  But, I might be getting nostalgic.
    I love the picture of messeurs Wright, Gilmore, and Mason that's
    printed with the article, they look like me and people I know.  They're
    my age and they're still making good albums and putting on great shows.
    Maybe that's why I like the new album so much.
    
    Aging_Al
    

    Just so that nobody gets the wrong idea, *I* like the album. I think he
    (the author) decided he didn't like it when he learned Waters wouldn't
    be part of it.

Re: .310

> I heard live versions of "If" and "Fat Old Sun" (from Atom Heart Mother)
> on the radio once; they knocked my socks off ... wish the DJ had identified
> the source, venue etc.

They were almost certainly from the '70 or '71 BBC broadcasts. Both
are 60 minutes and quite excellent. 

Barry

    You'd think by now folks would stop waiting for Waters to come back.  I
    don't think it's-a gonna happen....
    
    I haven't bought "The Division Bell" yet, but in a fit of "Gee, I wanna
    buy a CD but not a new one..." I bought "Dark Side of the Moon".  Ya
    know, for something that came out in 1973 (ye gods, *THAT* long ago!),
    it's way cool.  For a what, 20+ year old album it sounds fairly
    contemporary.  Now that's ageless music.  
    
    And I'm not even a raving Pink Floyd fan, either.  Never really
    listened to them before the movie "The Wall" came out.
    
    
    Cheers,
    
    kim

    
    Hi all,
    
    A new noter and definite Floyd Fan.......
    
    Yes, I've seen the 'Take It Back' video a couple of times now, once on
    MTV and another time on a Floyd Special Program, broadcast here in
    Holland about two weeks ago. 
    
    The 'Take It Back' clip is basically a load of images related to how
    the planet is being screwed up. A repeating theme is that grossly
    mutant tree (actually on the back of MLoR cover) which at the end of
    the video is hacked into by somebody in what looks like a radio-active
    protection suit as worn in nuclear power stations. Needless to say, the
    tree explodes and we see visions of errupting volcanoes etc etc.
    
    Overall, its not bad but it is not exactly mind-blowing. 
    
    Back to the 'special' that we saw. The program was basically a number
    of previous vidoes from live performances/MLoR and The Wall
    interspersed with interviews from Gilmour, Wright and Mason on the US
    leg of the tour. We also had a taste the new show with live clips from
    some tracks off of 'The Division Bell' - very impressive I must say.
    When asked about the album, the common theme from all of the guys was
    how much of a group album it was. Gilmour commented on the fact that he
    felt that MLoR was a bit 'bashy' and was made to impress. The band felt
    that they could relax a bit now and were, in themselves, very happy
    with the 'total group effort'. I tend to concur as I felt MLoR was
    dreadful whereas 'The Division Bell' is brilliant - its still parked
    permenantly in my CD player. 
    
    Whilst I'm in writing, a couple of points about the artwork on 'The
    Division Bell'. A couple of weeks prior to the release, I managed to
    secure a very high quality print of the album cover, free with the CD.
    The store is a nationwide Dutch company (Van Leest) and were offering
    the print free when ordering the CD up front. So, I managed to get this
    and guess what, its a numbered (250 from 500) very high quality print 
    (50cmx50cm) which I have framed and put up in our living room. Looks 
    absolutely brilliant. Having now stared at the picture, it seems to me
    that the two 'bells' are not identical, in fact, my interpretation is
    that the right one is masculine and the left is more feminine. 
    
    Any comments? Anybody else get the artwork. One thing is for sure, I'm
    gonna hang onto it. It will definitely gain value.!!
    
    Dave
    

    ...yes, it's one of my favs on the new disk...the sax in that song is
    mixed beautifully as well....now, has anyone heared the dude on the end
    of this new disk? Someone is on the phone with what sounds like a
    child, asking for someone called "Charlie"...verrrrrry strange...some
    of my friends say it's old Syd, but I would not know...anyone else
    comment on this?
    
    See ya,
    mac

    	I heard that too, and when I went to see them I was going to bring
    a sign asking who the hell was Charlie ? but I forgot to....:'(
    
    I think its Dave talking....does he have a son named Charlie ?

    about 10 15 sec after the song ends and yes turn it up....it last about
    5 secs tops !

    
    Charlie is Polly Sampson's little son. Polly is Dave's new girlfriend
    and co-writer for a lot of the tracks on the new album.
    
    No, it isn't Dave doing the "Hello, is that Charlie...", but nobody
    knows for sure who it really is.
    
    Kevin.
    
    

    
    I've subscribed to a PF internet group...
    
    Kevin.
    
    

    Yeah, it gets a couple hundred entries a day. A lot of requests
    for tickets but there is some interesting discussions going on.
    
    Jim C.
    

    
    
    How about "Banners suck!"...
    
    

> Banners suck!

Unless you find someplace to display it where it won't block other
peoples' view.

> DAVE IS PINK!!!

If, by "PINK", you mean the pink symbolic character in The Wall movie,
"which one is Pink?", etc., I think it represents Roger more than Dave.

Barry

    
    >>          <<< Note 48.332 by ICS::CROUCH "Subterranean Dharma Bum" >>>
    >>                           -< alt.music.pink-floyd >-
    >>
    >>    Yeah, it gets a couple hundred entries a day. A lot of requests
    >>    for tickets but there is some interesting discussions going on.
    >>
    >>    Jim C.
    
    Unfortunately, interesting discussions are becoming very rare in that
    - and every other - newsgroup. Has anybody else being following the
    "Publius" thread? What a load of tosh! The people that make me laugh
    the most are the ones who suspect Publius might be one of the band
    members. As if Messrs Gilmour/Wright/Mason have got nothing better to
    do than send messages to a bunch of spotty jerks who are reading a load
    of garbage into some album lyrics. Tiny minds, tiny lives. Reading
    Notes is like returning to sanity after that cr@p.
    
    Phil Gill.
    
    
                                                                       

    Yeah, I have to admit I "unsubscribed" to it a while ago. For a time
    it was good. Now there's too much blather.
    
    Jim C.
    

    
    Same with the Moody Blues distrib list (almost the same as a
    newsgroup).  Lots of notes about how cute John and Justin look, very \
    little about the music. 
    
    But if you really want to watch a newsgroup go down in flames, check
    out alt.rhode_island and the jerks who've infiltrated the threads
    there.  
    
    - Sean

      >Lots of notes about how cute John and Justin look,
      >very \
    
    
    sounds like Lorna has found a new home :')
    
    Chris

    Waters, Gilmour, Mason and Wright are in little or no danger of
    being branded cute. Although, I always thought that David Gilmour,
    with glowing red eyes and dilated pupils -- proclaiming he doesn't
    take drugs -- lent a certain charm to the movie "Pompei". :-)
    
    Funny how the information highway Klintoon and Komrades like to talk
    about is more like the hershey highway when you actually experiece it.
    None-the-less, I'm sure they'll figure out a way to charge a drivel
    tax; money sucking pigs like the federal govt can't resist a source
    of revenue.
    
    Brian

    
    
         It kinda' looks like Jim Morrison, but I have no clue who it
    really is. That picture was from one of their new vidios(not take it
    back). 
    
                      Jeff

    
    Umm....what happened to note .343 (.-2) ?
    
    K.
    

    I recently heard about a Pink Floyd pay per view special, a live
    performance including all of the Dark Side of the Moon. I did not catch
    a date that it would be broadcast, does anyone have any information on
    date, time and place that it will be broadcast from?
    thanks
    FAST EDDIE
    

    MTV mentioned it last night after the Eagles concert.  I believe
    they mentioned the pay per view will be NOV. 8th....not much time
    if you don't already have the set-up.
    
    Karen
    

    I thought they said Nov 1 at Shepards Bush.

    
    The Pink Floyd concert is on Pay-per-view tonight, at least here in New
    England. Does anyone know how long the show is?
    
    Peter

    All I know is that where I live in Worcester - Greater Media Cable is
    not carrying it. I have waited for 2 weeks since I heard about this.
    How can they not carry this concert?
    FAST EDDIE WHOSE WEEK HAS JUST BEEN SPOILED

    
    
     PPV cost is $26...if i had a very big screen tv and my amp was 
    working so that i could tape the audio along with the video i would
    probably buy into it...but that's a good chunk of change just to
    watch it. 
    
    no idea of how long it's supposed to be...it wasn't in the add,
    however the concert i went to was 3:10 min. with about a 10 to 15 min.
    intermission. 

    Have you heard recent rumblings of a new live album containing Dark Side
    in it's entirety? Sounds like another DSOT album to me, but since I
    don't have DSOT, I guess I'll buy the new one and be happy without
    DSOT :^).  BTW, rumors indicate the release date to be sometime in
    March.
    
    andy
    

    Expected release date is March 28th.  Supposedly a 2-disc set.  
    Disc 1 will be Dark Side of the Moon in its entirety.  Disc 2 
    is supposed to be other songs played on the tour, but there are
    rumours that there will also be studio outtakes from the Division
    Bell recordings.
    
    Steve

   Funny, I was just thinking about these guys last night.  Does anyone know
   if TDB tour showed a profit or loss, and if possible, by how much?  I know
   they lost money on The Wall tour, so I was just curious.  This one was an
   expensive tour to stage.

   -- Sam

    I don't know...they got my $30 though.
    Is anyone following the PUBLIUS enigma?
    
    andy
    

         Anyone know of a CD single out with "Astronomy Domoni�" and
    "Take it Back" live from PF's recent tour?
    
         If so where can I get my hands on one?
    
         Blair.

    
    $30 - we had to pay 25 quid - how much is that $55?
    
    I hope they also bring out a video of the tour - the one I taped off of
    the t.v. got ruined.
    
    I would think that they would've mae a profit as most gigs were
    sell-outs.

   I would hope so.  It was one of the most memorable concerts I've been to.

   -- Sam (who happens to be wearing his tour tee shirt today)

    
    >>$30 - we had to pay 25 quid - how much is that $55?
    
    Nah, at the current exchange rate of ~$1.55 to the pound, it's $38.75.
    
    JaKe
    

Hi,
  I would like know the names of all Pink Floyd's albums and when its
started to be sold.
  Can anyone help me ?
  I'm brazilian and heard that after Rooling Stones Tour in Brazil, we 
would get another big show with another great band or singer like Pink
Floyd, U2 or Phill Collins.
  If this comments its true "I wish PF were here".         \|/
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  Thanks.                                            __oOo__^__oOo__
           Giba.

Here's what I can pry out of my memory:

Piper At the Gates of Dawn (1967?)
A Saucerful of Secrets
Atom Heart Mother
Ummagumma (1969?)
Relics (A compilation Album) (1969)
A Nice Pair (the first 2 albums re-issued as a double album)
Meddle (1971)
Obscured by Clouds (1972)
Dark Side of the Moon (1972)
Wish You Were Here (1975)
Animals (1977)
The Wall (1979)
The Final Cut (1983)
A Momentary Lapse of Reason (1987)
(a live album from AMLOR tour)
The Division Bell (1993)

Album Title				Label, Year
------------------------------		--------------
The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn 		EMI, 1967
A Saucerful Of Secrets 			Tower, 1968
More 					Harvest, 1969
Ummagumma 				Harvest, 1969
Atom Heart Mother 			Harvest, 1970
Relics 					Harvest, 1971
Meddle 					Harvest, 1971
Obscured By Clouds 			Harvest, 1972
The Dark Side Of The Moon 		Harvest, 1973
Masters Of Rock 			Harvest, 1973
Wish You Were Here 			Columbia, 1975
Animals 				Columbia, 1977
The Wall 				Columbia, 1979
A Collection Of Great Dance Songs 	Columbia, 1981
The Final Cut 				Columbia, 1983
Works 					Capitol, 1983
A Momentary Lapse of Reason 		Columbia, 1987
The Delicate Sound of Thunder 		Columbia, 1988
The Division Bell			Columbia, 1993

         Has anyone heard of the latest album called "Pulse"?  
    All I've heard is that a limited number of cd's will be pressed
    and that it is another live album.  Has anyone listened to it?
    Is it worth picking up?  What are the song listings?
    
         Just wondering,
    
         Blair.

    
    I've read that there is a complete live recording of 'Dark Side Of The
    Moon' included. The whole thing is recorded during the latest tour.
    
    And there is a flashing LED (with battery) included on the special-
    designed jewelbox!
    
    Poul
    

    It was released on Monday (29th) here in the U.K. Rest of the world
    should get it next Monday (5th June). A live album taken from
    recordings made at 20 of the European shows last year. Comes in a jewel
    box with "pulsing" LED and batteries, plus hardback book containing
    colour pictures. An analogue recording in QSound. Re-edited video of
    the Earls Court PPV show follows shortly (6th June in UK).
    CD track listing:
    
     Disc 1
    
       1. Shine On You Crazy Diamond
       2. Astronomy Domine
       3. What Do oming Back To Life
       4. Learning To Fly
       5. Keep Talking
       6. Coming Back To Life
       7. Hey You
       8. A Great Day For Freedom
       9. Sorrow                                    
      10. High Hopes
      11. Another Brick In The Wall pt. 2
    
     Disc 2
    
       1. Speak To Me
       2. Breathe
       3. On The Run
       4. Time
       5. The Great Gig In The Sky
       6. Money
       7. Us And Them
       8. Any Colour You Like
       9. Brain Damage
      10. Eclipse
      11. Wish You Were Here
      12. Comfortably Numb
      13. Run Like Hell
    
    Phil Gill.