Conference mr1pst::music

    A friend of mine told me he saw an interview Tuesday night on MTV with
    Tony, Phil, and Mike, and he thought they looked very bored, and not at
    all enthusiastic about the new album or tour. One of them made a remark
    to the effect of "we'll play a lot of songs from the past few albums, a
    few more from albums a bit further back, and a medley of some real old
    stuff". 
    
    well, that's not a surprise, but whomever said it, did so with an
    attitude of complete non-interest...I didn't see this, so I'm only
    reporting what, or HOW he (my friend) interpreted the interview.
    
    It makes me want to skip the tour, except for the fact that with this
    apparent lack of interest, this could be their last tour, and I do want
    the opportunity to see Tony Banks play again.
    
    Has anyone picked up the new CD yet ?? I picked it up Tuesday, and have
    only given it 1 listen so far. I think that some of it will grow on me
    with a few more listenings, but overall, I'm disappointed...this may
    change, but I find it a bit uninspiring. I hear "formula" that has been
    evident in Phil's solo stuff. I'm Phil Collins, and listen to me
    scream !! The same drum sounds, the same keyboard sounds...the same
    FORMULA. No instrumental trax, and not until Fading Lights, the last
    cut on the album, is there any sort of jamming/soloing. I am a big fan
    of Tony Banks' style, but it again is strictly chord-oriented, with the
    melody intro line with a "ghost" sounding synth patch. Fading Lights is
    the first time I recall ANY keyboard lines played up-tempo, or
    resembling an improvised "solo". That particular cut was my favorite on
    first listening, there were some other good songs, but overall, I was
    disappointed.
    
    I haven't heard "Still Life" Tony's last solo effort, but I've been
    told it is reminiscent of "A Trick of the Tail", so I was hoping that
    Phil had the "formula" out of him, and that maybe we would have
    something here that sounded like earlier albums. I'm NOT expecting
    "Supper's Ready" or even "Ripples", but a hint of Wind & Wuthering or
    even And Then There Were 3 or Duke...
    
    I'm surprised that I'm being so harsh on some of my musical heroes, but
    maybe it's just the first listen, and it will take time. After all,
    there is material off Invisible Touch that took me a few years to
    appreciate, and HOPEfully I will get to like this too.
    
    just my thoughts....other opinions ??
    
    Wes
             

	I got the CD. And it's great! Although some of the songs are
	made as 'hit' songs, there is still plenty of good music on
	it. I hear moods from '...And Then There Were Three...' on it,
	it's far the best since that one. I hate the square-form com-
	puter drumming Phil Collins has been doing the last 3-4 al-
	bums, now he's playing in his jazzy style again, at least on
	parts of it - what IMO puts much more dynamics into the music.
	Tony Banks also does some of his, wellknown from the past,
	Bach-like buildups, and they even play long solo pieces, ma-
	king some of the songs last more than 10 minutes (and a total
	of *71* minutes playing time)...

	On the negative side: Mike Rutherford's bass is barely audible.
	On earlier recordings, I enjoyed his masterful, melodic play-
	ing - I really consider him as a virtuoso on the bass; he's in-
	credible fast and well-phrased, and seems to find appropriate
	and well placed notes for every different song.

	But why, oh why doesn't he turn that f*ing thing UP??!! I also
	miss Steve Hackett - has always done on each and every recor-
	ding since he left.

	But - all in all, a good one...

	Poul

    Bought it last week. I like it very much. It has got a consistant sound
    (unlike Duke or Abacab, where one could tell who came in with one song
    or another). Surely in some tracks you can find some Rutherford or
    Collins sound, but still, it's very much in line with Invisible Touch,
    where the guys decided to do something all together, rather than asking
    themselves whether one song should go in their solo or their group
    albums.
    On the bass line: track 2 and 7 are quite good. It's quite audible, and
    not too loud (� la bal pop). Actually I like the bass volume when you
    notice the bass only when missing. It's how you conceive this
    instrument as part of an ensemble.
    Collins's way of programming his drum machine is in my view very good
    (track 3 and 6), and he doesn't fall into the easy (he did very well on
    'In the air tonight' and 'Don't loose my number' on his solo albums).
    I liked too the variety of drum sounds across the different tracks.
    
    I don't think we'll ever hear again things like in Wind and Wuthering
    or even older recordings. Those musicians tend to evolve along with
    their own maturiy, and solo experiences, and sound technology. For
    instance,  Collins' sound changed much since 'Hello I must be going'. I
    can expect the same from the whole band. Different is not necessarely
    worse.
    
    There was an interview on french TV of the band. They seemed OK, and
    when asked if they would still be around together in ten years time,
    then mentionned that ten years ago, they would have answered 'no' to
    the same question, and they're still here today. So let's enjoy today
    (Deep in the Motherlode ?).
    
    
    Pierre.

	Re .3:

	I agree that it's OK for musicians to develop their maturity,
	change their sound, style, whatever. But this is not entirely
	the case. There is another aspect, which is called: MONEY.
	Genesis has developed into a big, big, megabuck money-making
	machine. Fortunately, they're still able to make music that
	can make people like me (old timers ;^) enjoy it. However, they
	lost a lot since their earlier recordings, IMO. One of the rea-
	sons is, they are not any more allowed to express themselves as
	much as earlier - the big mass, the public, is more focused on
	machine-type music, and Genesis has been accepted by them, and
	therefore, somehow trapped - I think it's very, very difficult
	to step back from this position and once again play the music
	you REALLY like...

	'We Can't Dance' somehow indicates that they try to make 'real
	music' again, but I guess the songs that I feel most attracted
	to, are the ones that the public don't like - long, experimen-
	ting solo's are not what people like in today's world of Michael
	Jackson's, Madonna's, etc...

	Btw, I got the new CD with Tony Banks, it's called 'Still' - a
	nice one, I think his best so far. I don't hear any 'Trick Of
	The Tail' moods from it, just Tony Banks as he usually sounds
	on his solo recordings. Nick Kershaw and Fish as well as some
	others are featured on vocals.

	Poul

I know this is the Genesis note, but could someone post Tony Banks' solo
album names.   I've often checked for them, but never see them anywhere.

Thanks,

- dave

p.s. I think "We can't dance" shows the boys still have "it" - that quality
which makes them a great band that produces some excellent music.   Hey,
12 tracks, 70 minutes of music(!) -- if a couple of formula "Phil tunes" leak
in, so be it.

p.p.s. Phil Collins was interviewed a number of months ago on David Letterman
(prior to them going into the studio for this album).  He said that the
tour would be constrained to a few cities -- the "Invisible" tour took too
much out of their family lives, etc.

	Dave,

	His solo releases are:

		A Curious Feeling	(1979)
		The Fugitive		(1983)
		Charm (MAXI single from The Fugitive)
		Soundtracks		(1986)
		Bankstatement		(1989)
		Still			(1991)

	As far as I know! If anybody know about other releases, please
	post it...

	Poul

    About Wind and Wuthering sound that we would never hear again (I
    thought :-)): Track 8, between 4:56 and 5:03, there is piece which
    sounds very much like what there is in "One for the Vine", the bit of
    instrumental that there is just before he climbs on the hill (in the
    song). Yet, 7 seconds is not a lot, I admit :-)
    
    About money: Phil Collins and Mike Rutherford have a solo career that
    many artist may envy. From the innermost Face Value, Collins, in spite
    of the varying quality of his solo albums, has always had great success
    (at least in France). I know about two solos from Rutherford, and I
    enjoyed them a lot (the two last ones). Banks has probably been less
    successful, but he makes music less 'commercial' than the two others, 
    IMO. This doesn't mean that I listened over 50 times to The Fugitive
    for hearing the imperceptible noise of my CD player engine :-)
    I guess they have plenty of money, and the fact that they do care about
    their family is an indication for me that they are more relaxed, and
    they do stuff for their pleasure.
    
    
    Pierre.

    Much wants more. Also , ever hear of record company pressure to have a
    hit?
    
             Niall

re .6

The work on Soundtracks is culled from the movies Quicksilver (with Kevin Bacon)
The Lion and the Cobra (I think---I believe this was a British film, not released
in the US).  He also did the soundtrack for The Wicked Lady (with Faye Dunaway
and John Gielgud).  The actual soundtracks for Quicksilver and The Wicked Lady
were released in the states, Quicksilver even on CD.  I believe I've seen TWL
on disc, but I can't remember...

It was funny when I finally caught The Wicked Lady on cable, 'cuz I already knew
all of the musical themes!

Most people are aware of Phil's Against All Odds from the movie of the same
name, but fewer probably know that there is a Mike Rutherford (no MeCan1c5) song
on the soundtrack, too.  During the movie a snippet of it is played as they
pan into the nightclub (just before the Kid Creole and the Coconuts number).

Richard

>Most people are aware of Phil's Against All Odds from the movie of the same
>name, but fewer probably know that there is a Mike Rutherford (no MeCan1c5)song
>on the soundtrack, too.  During the movie a snippet of it is played as they
>pan into the nightclub (just before the Kid Creole and the Coconuts number).

    The problem is...(IMO) the movie was so LOUSY that who would WANT to
    remember?  ;^)
    
    K.C.  (Who is also aware that that soundtrack also has Stevie Nicks'
    "Violet & Blue" on it.)

    Has anyone heard anything about a possible Centrum date for GENESIS ??
    I read in the Herald a few weeks ago that Genesis might kick off a busy
    year of concerts at Foxboro Stadium in May.
    
    I like We Can't Dance a lot more than when I first commented on it, I
    guess I just would like to hear something a bit more "adventurous" and
    not so commercial...but I like it !!
    
    Also, I may get into collecting bootlegs of various live shows, and
    videos if possible. Does anyone know a good source for such material?? 
    I have seen several boots at "Second Coming" in Cambridge on both CD
    and vinyl...I'd be more interested in the CD format. I was wondering if
    there are noters out there who have any or a lot of these, which ones
    have good quality, which ones to avoid, etc...
    
    any info would help, and if you do not want to discuss here, please
    write to me off-line.
    
    Thanx,
    
    Wes 

>>>    Also, I may get into collecting bootlegs of various live shows, and
>>>    videos if possible. Does anyone know a good source for such material?? 

Most of the bootlegs that you can buy are ridiculously overpriced trash 
compared to what you can trade for from people who tape shows themselves 
from the audience or tape FM broadcasts. If you want bootlegs, try small 
record stores, particularly those that cater to collectors. There are
some "collector" newspapers and magazines that openly advertise them.
I don't know how they get away with it but they do.

Barry

    Anyone hear anything about ticket sales for the Genesis show that will
    be help at Foxboro Stadium? Like when...?
    
    Thanks,
    Brian

    >Anyone hear anything about ticket sales for the Genesis show that will
    >be help at Foxboro Stadium? Like when...?
    
Already on sale, as of 2 Saturday's ago (3/7).  Ticketmaster outlets.  I don't 
know if they sold out or not.

Scott

    Tickets are still available, last I knew!!!
    
    -k
    

    A friend got 6 tix, I guess we'll be sitting at the end opposite the
    stage, on the side actually, and low. Let's hope they use the big
    screens so we can see SOMEthing when we're not passing binoculars.
    
    Any news of any other dates ??  too bad they won't be at the Centrum
    this time around, but any chance to see Tony Banks play is worth the
    trip.

    GENESIS     TONIGHT      FOXBORO        ALLLLRIGHT !!!
    
    Heard Tony Banks on BCN at lunch, he says that the "old" medley will
    cover from 72-77, actually with a riff from 1970 thrown in their. He
    said it will take the real experts to pick that one out...well Tony,
    not the real experts, just the real FANS, those who know that he's
    probably referring to a riff from "Stagnation" or "Visions of Angels"
    or something else off of "TRESPASS". This should be interesting, the
    updated "medley" I would guess just replace the "Cinema
    Show/Slippermen" bit between In the Cage and Afterglow
    
    so, as anticipated, of a 2.5 to 2.75 hour show, a measley 20 minutes
    will cover the best stuff. I do love a lot of material from Duke,
    Abacab, and the last 3 albums too, but the 70's stuff was the real
    GENESIS to me...
    
    I'm psyched for this show though, should be some great music, some neat
    visuals...
    
    who else is going ?? 

    If Steve Hackett were still in the band I'd consider.  
    
    Mark.

    I had the pleasure of finally (after 14 years) seeing Genesis again
    last Saturday at Skydome in Toronto, Ontario (home of the Blue Jays).
    
    Songs Played (in no particular order, but vaguely sequential)
    -------------------------------------------------------------
    
    Land Of Confusion
    No Son Of Mine
    Throwing It All Away
    Driving The Last Spike
    'Oldies' Medley	- Dance On A Volcano
    			- Lamb Lies Down On Broadway/Musical Box
    			(like on 'Seconds Out', but a shorter 'Lamb')
    			- Firth Of Fifth (instrumental break)
    			- I Know What I Like
    			- Illegal Alien (sort of a chorus)
    			- That's All (two choruses)
    			- Follow You Follow Me (two choruses)
    
    Fading Lights
    Jesus He Knows Me
    Dreaming While You Sleep
    Home By The Sea (both parts)
    Hold On My Heart
    (pause, then dual drum solo, leading into)
    I Can't Dance
    Domino (the whole damn thing, I think)
    
    Invisible Touch (encore)
    Turn It On Again
    
    I'm probably forgetting a tune or two, but they DEFINITELY didn't do:
    
    Mama
    In Too Deep
    Behind The Lines
    anything from ABACAB (or so it seemed)
    
    However, they did play for almost 2.5 hours, and as usual, the lights
    and sound were amazing.
    
    
    Personal nit-picking: I could have done without 'Domino', 'Invisible
    			  Touch', and 'Fading Lights', and instead hear
    			  full versions of 'Follow You Follow Me' or maybe
    			  the tunes that I mentioned above
    
     (I am definitely aghast that they played 'Invisible Touch' instead of
     'Mama' in the encore, even though they did play a more 'punchy' version
     than on the album)
    
    I'm also quite surprised that aside from the medley, they only played
    two tunes that weren't from the last two albums. I realize they have
    always favoured exposing new material, but some of their new material
    might be better left 'unexposed' (or just played on that tour).
    
    How does this compare with other shows on the tour? Any ideas?
    
    
    						Cal C.
    
    (still bummed out that he missed the 'Lamb', 'Trick Of The Tail', and
    'Wind & Wuthering' tours, because even then, Genesis tickets sold fast)
    

    So, could you call this particular concert...
    
    
    
    
    		The "Not-The-Mama" Tour? 	:^)
    
    (Apologies to "Dinosaurs")
    
    K.C., whose favorite Genesis song is "Mama".

    Apparently Genesis was on network TV this past Saturday night (Boston's
    Channel 5). Did anyone videotape it who would be willing to let me
    borrow the tape?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Suegene

I think the video clip of "Jesus He Knows ME" is about the best clip I have seen
in ages.  Really really funny.

"We Can't Dance is a great CD.  And I even bought it on tape too.  Exactly the
right kind of stuff for the car when "Radio En�rgie" is into French talk mode.

Cheryl

    
    	"We Can't Dance" is also available as a CD5, this CD has
    an alternate version of "We Can't Dance" plus the regular one
    plus a few "live" songs. It's 30 min. not bad for $5.00.
    
    
    Vinny

    GENESIS is to release a Live album recorded during their latest tour,
    due out on the 17th...any other info as to what will appear, where it
    was recorded, or single or double disc ??
    
    I hope they include the "old" medley...Dance > Lamb > Musical Box etc..
    
    Wes

    
    Apparantly, they're bringing out two live albums. The first one (this
    year) will be mostly of more recent recordings.
    
    THe latter one (released next year/Christmas) will include live
    performances of earlier works.
    
    At least, this is what I've heard...
    
    Kevin.
    

    RE .25   that's interesting that they're going to release 2, 1 now, and
    1 a year from now...I was listeining to Seconds Out on the way in
    today, and I think that they are in a position to put out, or at least
    consider, a box set...all remastered of course, with the tracks that
    are hard to find, or at least unavailable on CD ??  such as the "Spot
    the Pigeon" or Naminanu EP's

    The only info ive heard is that it was recorded at Knebworth this year.
    Then again my info might be just as good as the last 3 replies.
    
    Nigel

They are releasing two live albums, both single discs. The first, entitled
'The Shorts' I think, is coming out this month, and features the band's pop 
hits. The second, 'The Long, is due out in January, and will feature the
band's older, more progressive music.

alan

    So,  anyone buy "The Shorts" which was released yesterday?? I was at my
    local Strawberries, and was looking at it, but as big a fan as I am, I
    have to admit I couldn't bring myself to buy it. I'm much more
    interested in "The Longs" , I'm sure I'll pick up "THe Shorts" one of
    these days, but I resisted it yesterday.
    
    I picked up "The Compact King Crimson" instead, and that's a great CD.

    Looking for some info on Genesis & Tony Banks CD's...I know someone
    going over to England this weekend, and would like to add a few things,
    if they are available...maybe some of our English Noters could help
    here...
    
    are any/all of the following available on CD in UK: 
    
    * Naminanu EP
    * Spot The Pigeon EP
    * A Curious Feeling  CD
    * Soundtracks CD
    
    Thanx for any info on these
    
    Wes

A Curious Feeling by Tony Banks is available in the US on CD.  It may be an
import though.

Paul

    You can pick up Spot the Pigeon occasionally at used CD stores...I
    think I've seen it at Disc Diggers in Somerville...
    
    Suegene

    RE: last 2
    
    Thanx, I'll have to look out for those

    
    I still need Trespass on CD, preferably the imported Charisma label ...
    
    HELP !
    
    - acp

    
    Hi Andy,
    
    I have the Trespass album. Charisma label. Original English version.
    I had bought it 5 years ago, from Germany. I believe I have also
    seen it here in Canada. Do you want me to look for it here in the
    stores or would you like me to put it on tape and send it to you.
    
    lem-me-no
    
    Lale
    

    
    	I picked up the new Genesis "Live" CD (The Longs), runs
    around 70 min. They do mean long, only 6 songs. Mostly medlies.
    First song "Old Medley" is 20 min. No "The Cage" medley but
    just as well thats already out. I didn't get a chance to listen
    to it yet so I can't comment on performance or sound. Anybody
    else?
    
    
    Vinny

    
    	I listened to "The Longs" a few times, very good. Sound is
    also very good except the seemed to mix out the bass drums. The
    CD has excellent bass though. Tony Banks doesn't seem to do much
    either. I still think it's great, excellent songs & sound, nothing
    spectacular but just a good solid effort. Includes the dual drum
    solo.
    
    
    Vinny

    I agree it's a great CD, I haven't listened to the overall mix, I've
    only heard the disc once all the way through, but the performances are
    good. Tony probably doesn't do much mostly because of the material. He
    does some of the "Firth of Fifth" jam solo, but there really isn't any 
    other toonz that call for his abilities. I love the first part of the
    old medley, but I cringe when Phil starts reciting 1 liners from all
    sorts of "hits" or other songs..."You Have Your OWn Special Way"  for
    instance...
    
    well, Second Home by the Sea is good, with his fills etc...it would be
    interesting if they came out with a live video of this tour...do you
    think they would include the old medley ??  Driving The Last Spike I
    thought was a visual highlight of the show, and Fading Lights was also
    done very well

> I cringe when Phil starts reciting 1 liners from all
>    sorts of "hits" or other songs..."You Have Your OWn Special Way"  for
>    instance...

Wes, if that makes you cringe, you should hear one of my live tapes.
They do a medley of classic rock songs, including songs by The Who,
The Rolling Stones, The Kinks, etc. Towards the end, Phil starts
singing Culture Club's Karma Chameleon. Baaaaaaaaarrrrrrrffffffff!!

To me, listening to that medley is kind of like having a Christmas
turkey where just when you serve the last of the stuffing, you find
a big, fat, dead cockroach.

Barry

    Barry, unfortunately I was subjected to that medley during their 80's
    shows...it varied, but something like staring with Turn it on Again,
    and then going into that 60's medley...vomit city...here is a classic
    rock band with enough old and faithful fans that they could play
    anything from their recorded material, and they have to give us there
    version of a 60's medley....as in the Yes note, GENESIS should consider
    putting out a box set, or even 2, I think they could do a 4 cd live box
    set that would be a killer...think of it, Peter's live Supper's Ready,
    Watcher of the Skies, Cinema Show, Ripples....and on

    
    Genesis already has a pretty extensive live catalogue:
    
    Genesis (Live) - Watcher of the Skies, The Knife, The Musical Box
    		     Get 'Em Out by Friday, Return of the Giant Hogweed
    
    Seconds Out - has the Cinema Show version with Bruford on drums
    
    3 Sides Live - mostly stuff from Abacab, Duke, etc.
    
    The Singles/The Longs
    
    I really like The Longs, especially the old medley (oh to have Pete
    singing this stuff again) ...
    
    - acp

    RE. 41   True, but I think a more comprhensive collection of their live
    material would be nice to have. I have a live version of Supper's Ready
    by Peter, but it's a noisy boot, and something cleaned up and
    remastered would be so welcome...and I'd like to hear more of the Trick
    tour, with Bruford
    
    the live version of "The Knife" from their 1st live album is one of
    Steve Hackett's shining moments in Genesis, IMO, his solos are worth
    listening to repeatedly

    
    I picked up a used CD boot called 'Watchers of the Skies' while in
    Boston recently. It was recorded at the Rainbow Theatre in 1973 and
    includes a -beautiful- 'Supper's Ready'. Clean, clean sound, and the
    recording is quite good, for a boot. I wanted something high quality to 
    listen to and re-live those incredible old performances with. This did
    the trick. After 20 seconds, I was sitting in the 14th row of the Felt 
    Forum again. 
    
    Now--all I need is to find a good, live recording of 'Salmacis' and
    'Can-Utility and the Coastliners' from around the same era....and
    I'll be set.
    
    Peter
     

    RE -1  would you mind telling us where you found this, and how much $$
    
    thanx...
    
    I stopped into Strawberries yesterday, they are having a sale on
    "mid-line" cd's, and found "Trespass" released by MCA. I was surprised
    to find it, I thought it was only an import, and Strawbs doesn't do
    imports, MCA would be US anyway...but it was priced at $11.99, but with
    the sale, it was $8.88 !!   
    
    the find of the day, so I grabbed it. I'ts been so long since I've
    listened to my vinyl copy, I can't determine the quality etc...but some
    of the organ sounds sounded a bit distorted, (during The Knife for
    instance) and ends of songs seemed to be cut off abruptly, but again,
    that may be like the record. Overall, I would say it sounds ok (after 1
    listen) the guitars are nice and clean, I didn't think it was too hissy
    on first impression

    
    Sure. I found it in a used CD/tape place in the Fenway area. I think
    Planet Records is the name of the place. In case that's not right, 
    it's on the south side of the street (Commonwealth ?) You've got to walk 
    up about a dozen steps from street level. Across
    from Boston University, I think. 
    
    It was expensive--$25. But to me, believe it or not, it was worth it.
    The cover was an Armando Gallo shot of a later-era performance of the 
    'Eggs is Eggs' sequence from  SR...where Peter began to use the guywires 
    to float off the stage. The album covers 'Watcher', 'Moonlit Knight', 
    'Firth' (without the piano intro), 'More Fool Me', and 'I Know What I 
    Like', as well....
    
    Let me know by mail if I can provide you with more info, such as
    distributor, etc.
    
    Peter                            

    
    	"Live, the Way We Walk" is on video now. Over 2 hours, on
    sale at Lechmeres for $19.00. If anybody gets it let us know
    how it is please. It will be a while before I get it, I'm saving
    money for the new Jethro Tull stuff coming out.
    
    Vinny 

    Has anyone picked up the "Live-The Way We Walk" video yet ??  I haven't
    yet...
    
    Three Sides Live was released in 2 versions, the UK version being live
    on side 4 as well, which had One For The Vine, and I think Watcher of
    the Skies intro or something...
    
    is this available on CD at all ??  maybe in the UK ??  can our UK
    readers tell us if it is ??
    
    I still think they should hop on the Box-set bandwagon, including some
    live unreleased material, I'm sure it would be a winner

    This is killing me. Who opened in Mannheim, Germany, during the
    "Invisible Touch Tour" ?

    His first name is Neil or Paul or something.
    His last name is Sedaca or Diamond or Anka or something.

    ;-)

    Lale
    

    
    Neil Sedacka   ,   Neil Diamond  ,  Paul Anka
    
     I doubt it was Neil Diamond, and Neil S. ,and Paul Anka 
do 50's 60's tunes....So does Neil diamond, but he also sings
    his current stuff too.
    
       Weird to think any of these peole would open for Genisus ?  Remember
    any songs he did ???
    
    /Bob
    

    lale...given the choices...does it really  matter??..........;')......./k

    
    It can't possibly be any of those. I ran thru those name combinations
    as well. None of them make sense (as an opening act for Genesis).
    
    I remember everything that has happened/done/said to/for/around me
    since I was four, I can't remember the name of this guy.
    
    The concert was an open-air in a meadow with 80,000 people. At 6 pm, as
    the announcer said "Meine Damen und Herren, Es ist achtzehn uhr, SWF
    drei presentiert <insert name here>" it started to pour. 
    
    It was raining so badly. It rained until midnight when the concert was
    over. We were soaked. This guy, whatever his name was, sang 45 minutes
    under the rain. When Genesis came on stage they took and additional
    half an hour to move the stage a little inwards so that Phil wouldn't
    get as wet as the opening act.
    
    Lale

    
    I recall another thing about this concert: Phil Collins had a piece of
    paper written in German that he was trying to read from to announce the
    songs in German as a treat to the audience ;-) I guess he was trying to
    catch up with Peter Gabriel who speaks almost fluent German (lousy
    accent but still) and even has an album in German. PG was also in
    Germany at the time (I went to see him the next Sunday).
    
    Anyway, back to the story, Phil is doing his best to read German,
    the Americans amongst the audience (there were many of them, a few
    thousand) started to protest and Phil started a speech opening with
    "I know you are Americans...".
    
    I don't remember the name of the guy though ;-)
    
    Lale

    
    
    Was the singer maybe ...........Paul Young????

    
    Of course, Paul Young. Thanks a lot for putting my mind at ease.
    
    Lale

    Paul Young opened for Genesis in Munich ??  or somewhere in Europe ??
    
    that's interesting, there was no opening act in Foxboro on the same
    tour, and generally they don't have an opening act....they don't need
    one in my opinion
    

    
    In the news group there is a guy who was born after "lamb lies down
    on broadway" and he is desperately looking for a video of one of
    the live performances. As it turns out, there is none. Absolutely
    nothing. There aren't any videos of "selling England by the pound"
    either. If anybody has taped even bits and pieces of either of these
    shows, will definitely become rich soon.
    
    Lale
    

    However, I have seen quite a number of good photos from the "Lamb..."
    tour in the various Genesis books kicking around music stores.
    
    A tour I wish I had seen...
    
    - Dave

    
    THis is a few months later, but I was fortunate to have seen the Lamb
    tour, and have never seen a video of the performance. However, I did
    manage to pick up (on CD) a really nice audio copy of one of the
    performances, which I believe was recorded on the continent in 1974.
    I also have a more horrid bootleg of a Lamb performance at the
    Birmingham Hippodrome, replete with a lot of the repartee that Peter
    used in between the tunes, both as part of the story line, and as some
    self-deprecating humor at the pretentiousness of some of his lyrics.
    Example:
    
    At the beginning of the second half of the show, PG is explaining the
    story line so far, and the story line of what is about to be played in
    the last set. He is describing the entry of the 'golden globes' that
    float into the room. Very serious. Then he just stops. He then
    screeches in a Monty Python-esque British woman's voice:
    
    "I WAS AMAZED BY THE BRIGHTNESS !!! said Mrs. J.H., of Bournemouth"
    
    The crowd immediately erupts into tremendous, prolonged laughter. Each
    time I hear it, I do the same.
    
    Peter
     

    Can Some_One Answer this for me...
    The Song"Follow Me"..Is that done by Genesis or by Phil Collins(Solo)?
    
    
    
         Crazy_Not_A_Big_Fan_Al

    Follow You, Follow Me  is on the Genesis album "And Then There Were
    Three"  from 1978..it is not a Phil solo song...don't know if you're
    into Genesis, but it's their 1st studio album after the departure of
    guitarist Steve Hackett, leaving Phil, Mike Rutherford, and Tony Banks
    to produce the studio albums, thus the title...
    
    the album was an attempt to write "shorter" songs than Genesis had been
    known to do, and it has some nice stuff on it...Deep In The Motherlode,
    Burning Rope, Ballad of Big, The Lady Lies...etc
    
    Wes

    FYI, I've heard Mike & The Mechanics will be on David Letterman's show
    monday 3/6...
    
    NE1 pick up the new M&tM disc "Beggards on a Beach of Gold" yet ???
    I haven't, I've heard both positive and negative comments on it...
    
    Wes

    Happy Birthday to my favorite keyboard player, and a big influence on
    my style and my music, Tony Banks !!!  Tony will have a new solo album
    out this spring, possibly in May...
    
    Wes

    There's a tribute album out, called "Supper's Ready" - but details are
    scant - alt.music.genesis isn't available on the nntpd.lkg.dec.com news
    server, so I couldn't find any details there.  CDnow lists the artists
    as SINCLAIR/HENTSCHEL/MAGELLAN BARDENS/GOODSALL/HASLAM/BERR - some
    somewhat familiar names from the Canterbury crowd (Camel, Caravan, and
    other ancient early 70's progressive groups).
    
    So - if anyone finds out more - please share the info.  I'm slightly
    intrigued but not enough to buy it - I'm more interested in the XTC
    tribute, which was released this month.
    
    \chuck