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674.1 | already under discussion in 497 | CNTROL::STOLICNY | | Mon Feb 04 1991 08:32 | 13 |
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You have already entered a base note on the topic of Education
Rights (note 497). How about consolidating your inputs in
that one place?
I'm sure to be flamed ... but I find it very, very sad that we
are sacrificing the educational needs of the many for the
educational needs of the few. This is not to say that the
educationally-handicapped do not deserve an decent education;
just that the distribution of services and money should be
more equitable.
Carol
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674.2 | how about the gifted? | AIAG::LINDSEY | | Mon Feb 04 1991 09:12 | 8 |
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And what about gifted children? Do they have the right to be educated
to the MAXIMUM possible? Does these laws cover this population of
children. The school system as it stands caters to the average child,
without more funding I don't see how it can support either properly.
Sue
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674.3 | This is an extremely difficult problem, especially in NH | SARAH::SARAH::WORKMAN | | Tue Feb 05 1991 12:58 | 29 |
| >> I'm sure to be flamed ... but I find it very, very sad that we
>> are sacrificing the educational needs of the many for the
>> educational needs of the few. This is not to say that the
>> educationally-handicapped do not deserve an decent education;
>> just that the distribution of services and money should be
>> more equitable.
I couldn't agree with you more. As an example of this problem of the needs of
the few, causing sacrifices for the many:
In our small town, population of about 2000 counting men, women, children and
perhaps a few dogs and horses (:^), the education of the ~8 special needs
children is driving the property taxes higher and higher. We have no control
over the cost of this education, and most of the children must be educated at
other locations - in one instance this is in Connecticut. To help keep the
property taxes down, cuts are made in the education of the other children - no
raises for teachers, no new books, combining classrooms so the class sizes are
larger, and eliminating some of the teachers. Many people would say we should
be willing to pay more for education, but when people are already paying over
$5000 in property taxes for a home worth in today's market about $150,000,
there has to be a limit. Many people in town already pay ~15% of their income
in property taxes.
I do not intend on this to become a debate over NH's tax structure. I just
wanted to point out that when a small town has a large number of these
children per the total population, the cost of the educational requirements
forced upon it, can be devastating. Perhaps more federal or state funding is
the answer????? I just wanted to add support to Carol's comment on this sad
situation.
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674.4 | Let's warehouse the SPED kids! | ISLNDS::AMANN | | Tue Feb 05 1991 16:06 | 46 |
| In the past the educationally handicapped were either kept out of
the schools (for the "good of the majority") or simply warehoused
like human baggage in some tiny room in the school (again, for the
"good of the majority"). Because of the appalling treatment of these
children our nation created Public Law 94-142, which is intended
to insure that educationally handicapped children get a "free,
appropriate, publicly funded education."
It's absolutely true that this minority of educationally handicapped
children, like other minority groups, have actually wound up with
more legal rights than non minority groups. But, as with other
groups who have experienced discrimination in the past, there was
a real need for these kids and their parents to get extra legal
protection. In addition, the overall cost of having an educationally
handicapped child become a productive citizen has been shown to
be well less than the long term costs of having the child grow up
and become a ward of the state.
When these kids were left to the mercies of their local school boards
and resident taxpayers they were treated very poorly.
The truth is that it takes more time and money to teach a blind
child to read and get along in a mainstream classroom.
It takes more time and money to have a school facility
available to a crippled child. It takes more time and money to
teach a dyslexic child to write. It takes more time and money to
teach a child with attention defecits almost anything.
The complaints of town officials and schools about what special
education costs are smokescreens, often used to justify higher school
budgets, and to create a battle between the parents of special needs
kids and the parents of kids without special needs.
It's a shame that these educationally handicapped children
who were, in the past, treated like human garbage by uncaring school
officials and unfeeling taxpayers are, still, subjected to scorn and
ridicule. At least, today, these kids and their parents have legal
protections.
It's sad that, even today, we still have parents of "normal" kids who
expect their children to get a free, appropriate, publicly funded
education but are quite willing to deny the same to educationally
handicapped youngsters. It's exactly this type of biased attitude
that made PL 94-142 a neccessity.
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674.5 | Do "Normal" Kids Get A Fair Shake? | MR4DEC::POLAKOFF | | Wed Feb 06 1991 16:33 | 31 |
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I don't think that anyone was trying to suggest that educationally
handicapped children should be "warehoused" or forgotten. I think that
people are simply questioning why it is that *some* educationally
handicapped children receive better educations than mainstream kids (in
terms of books, supplies, classroom size, teachers, attention, etc.)
As someone who got totally shafted by the school system--I was dyslexic
and it was never diagnosed--to this day I don't know the extent of my
"learning disabilities" or dyslexia (I have real problems with spatial
relationships--reading maps or doing any kind of geometry problem is
like asking me to speak in tongues!)--so I'm *very* sensitive to
educationally handicapped kids in public schools. Also--as a former
teacher of economically handicapped kids--I'm also very sensitive to
that issue as well.
However--given all that--the fact is that the "normal" or "average"
kids can fall thru the cracks--especially in this time of budget
constraints. And, what about the "educationally advantaged,"--meaning,
kids with special talents.
What programs are available and what are the rights of kids who are
diagnosed as being "geniuses?"
Again, I'm not trying to say that one child deserves more, equal, or
less attention than another. Just that there are lots of issues here
that we should all be aware of.
Bonnie
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674.6 | Possible solutions | ISLNDS::AMANN | | Thu Feb 07 1991 17:54 | 39 |
| I don't disagree that there are lots of kids who fall through the
cracks. Educationally handicapped kids do, today, have legal rights
that allow their parents or other interested adults to make sure
these youngsters do NOT fall through the crack any longer.
Some of the "good" kids who sit in classrooms without bothering
the teachers and getting social promotions often reach the point
where they eventually fail, drop out of school or fail to achieve
their full potential. Many of these youngsters have educational
handicaps that were never recognized by the school or parents.
One of the things parents and teachers can do with "good" but low
achieving youngsters is to have them fully evaluated. If the low
achievement is caused by a learning disability, and it's caught soon
enough, the child's educational future can be saved.
It's sad, but the kids who are having trouble in school and acting
out their frustrations are more likely to get needed attention than
are the quiet, obedient children who are having similar educational
problems, but not acting up.
With regards to youngsters on the other end of the spectrum - the
very bright who are apt to be bored by school and whose educational
needs are not being met - there have been some attempts to get these
kids covered by the laws governing educationally handicapped children.
The logic is simple - the schools are not paying attention to their
needs today any more than they paid attention to the needs of the
educationally handicapped, yesterday. These bright children can
be discriminated against today just as the educationally handicapped
were discriminated against yesterday.
One way to get this problem corrected would be to work with local
legislators and groups working with the parents of educationally
handicapped children to get the laws changed to add - as a covered
condition - IQ's above some level. My suspicion is that parents
of advocates of educationally handicapped children, who have seen
the problems inappropriate educational institutions can cause, would
be willing allies to get these laws changed.
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674.7 | what about non-intellectual talents, too?
| CSSE32::RANDALL | Pray for peace | Fri Feb 08 1991 12:38 | 25 |
| And there are also children who are talented in an area such as music
or art that doesn't normally show up in IQ tests or in terms of good
grades. Not only don't many schools have the facilities and programs to
offer these children education of their talents, they often discourage
creativity and expressiveness.
Steven's showing signs of perhaps an above-average artistic ability, but
the only artistic opportunity available right now is that once a week
the art specialist comes into his class and they do a project. Sometimes
he gets to color or do another special project. I can afford to buy him
glue and paper and coloring books and all that stuff, but if we couldn't,
he wouldn't be getting the opportunity to explore. And I remember when
I was little I never got a chance to take music lessons -- even though
the school's lessons were free, I couldn't afford the instrument rental.
I took lessons later, after I was grown, and discovered that I have
wooden fingers and a tin ear, so this was not a tremendous waste of talent.
But it wouldn't have made any difference -- the opportunity to find out
simply wasn't there.
Having the government mandate piano lessons while millions of children
aren't getting a basic education isn't the answer. But it is an issue
to think about.
--bonnie
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674.8 | How can we be realistic and fair? | 4461::PERLMAN | | Fri Feb 08 1991 17:55 | 26 |
| There's only finite resources. Suppose there were a handicapped
child that required 1000 times the cost to the school to educate
"appropriately" as the average child? Is it reasonable for society,
given the fact that resources are finite, to devote that high a
proportion to one child, when by necessity the educational
quality of all the other children will have to suffer? The
schools don't have enough money to do the absolute best for anyone.
They have to make do with what they have. Given that they're already
making compromises because of lack of funds for the "standard" children,
it seems unrealistic to pass a law saying that no matter what, the
school department isn't allowed to consider finances when designing
an education plan for the special case children.
It's so hard when one looks at it emotionally. If you focus on just
one child, then it's clear that everything possible should be done.
But you can't do that for every child, because you'll run out of
money after figuring out an educational plan to maximize things
per child after you've dealt with about 4% of the children.
Perhaps there should be some cap per child, where the school district
is legally required to do everything possible, but not be required
to spend any more than, say, twice the average per pupil expenditure
on any single child.
There really ought to be no financial considerations at all when
considering a proper education for every single child. But
that just isn't realistic.
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674.9 | 3 times is more like it | ISLNDS::AMANN | | Mon Feb 11 1991 11:02 | 47 |
| The problem that existed with many, many educationally handicapped
children, prior to the creation of laws protecting them was that
they were clearly discriminated against.
Many were not allowed into schools.
Many more were allowed into the schools and warehoused in rooms
with all the other educationally handicapped children.
These appalling conditions were caused by school officials and
taxpayers insisting that they had to use their money for the good
of the majority.
The argument was silly and illogical for most of these kids. (Not
the hypothetical one who costs 1,000 times more to educate than
the norm - In fact, in my knowledge of very difficult cases the
extreme, for a totally non verbal child with cerebral palsy and
almost no bodily control, costs about 3 times more to be educated
than the average for children in my town.
Most of these kids, particularly those with learning disabilities,
simply need more intense, direct teaching, than do others. And,
the more intense direct teaching is only needed a few hours a day.
Thus, the notion that these kids cost huge amounts to educate is
simply without any basis in fact.
In addition, when these kids become adults they will either be
productive adults with jobs who pay taxes, or they will be non
productive adults who spend a lifetime being supported by the
taxpayers. One study showed that every dollar spent for educating
the educationally handicapped ultimately returns to taxpayers manyfold.
It's a shame that the laws protecting the educationally handicapped
were ever needed, just as it's a shame we've needed laws to protect
racial minorities, or to protect women. In a perfect society the
right choices would always be made between costs and benefits.
Unfortunately, when there were no laws protecting educationally
handicapped children, the decisions that were made varied from school
district to school district, and so many of these kids were denied
entry to school, or provided with "services" in warehouse type
atmospheres, that legislators throughout the country introduced
laws to protect these kids.
One thing the American experience has shown is that society benefits
the more we are able to provide quality, free education to all.
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674.10 | The reality of the situation | GEMVAX::WARREN | | Wed Feb 20 1991 17:58 | 43 |
| Thank you for starting this note, Dick.
Some of you seem to have the impression that school systems
are off creating two sets of education plans: an ideal,
well-rounded one available without limit to any child with
any educational disability, and one mediocre one for everyone
else.
This is a gross misconception. The objective of the law is to
mainstream these children into the NORMAL education process
as much as possible, which is to everyone's --including the
taxpayers'--advantage. The phrase "to the maximum possible"
protects the child who for whatever reason cannot benefit
fully from the education available. At least, by law we must
educate him/her to the MAXIMUM POSSIBLE.
In practical terms, what it means is that a handicapped child
(with well-informed, involved parents) FINALLY has a shot at
receiving the same education as everyone else.
I have two daughters, one of whom is hearing-impaired. Some
of the things our school system has provided, is providing or
will provide (directly or by paying an outside facility) are
speech and language therapy, aural therapy, an auditory
trainer and teacher training. What this means for Caileigh
(who is now 4) is that she will have a shot at getting the
SAME education that her sister will receive without the extra
help. Do I think that's fair? You bet! And it would still
be fair if what she required was full-time attendance at a
school for the deaf.
About education for the gifted: I agree that it's a shame
that gifted children--who in some cases may be the very same
children, BTW--are not given the opportunities and resources
to stretch their minds and cultivate their gifts to the
maximum. In fact, I think few children in this country have
that opportunity and I think that's disgraceful. But I think
the right to a decent, _basic_ education for everyone is even
more fundamental and has to come first.
-Tracy
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674.11 | | CNTROL::STOLICNY | | Thu Feb 21 1991 08:31 | 23 |
|
Tracy,
I think that your impression of my (at least) impression is not
quite accurate. In fact, I think that you should share my
concern, based on your desire to have Caileigh mainstreamed into
the normal education process as much as possible.
The problem, as I see it, is that the overall school budget has
dwindled such that the amount being spent on the regular school program
is quite low. The quality of the so-called "average" education
is really suffering. I was not saying that the educationally
disabled do not deserve a quality education...just that it seems
more equitable for the quality of their education to be consistent
with the quality of the mainstream education. (Note that the *real*
problem, in my opinion, is to get more $$ into the education
system or to find ways to make the systems more efficient with
what they have).
Is that a better explanation?
Carol
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674.12 | What's not equitable? | GEMVAX::WARREN | | Thu Feb 21 1991 13:49 | 44 |
| Carol (and others)--
I'm trying to understand WHAT you think educationally
handicapped children are receiving that is NOT equitable.
Do you think they are getting all kinds of services that
are nice to have, but not necessary for giving them the
same education as other children?
If so, I strongly disagree and think you would be hard
pressed to find such a case.
Or do you believe that it's just not worth the price of
educating these children?
If so, I again strongly disagree.
I do agree that the quality of public education in general,
and the attention it receives from our legislators, is
inexcusably poor. But the answer is not to simply sacrifice
some of the children to ensure a decent education for others.
There will never be enough money to do everything we want for
our children's education. But all kids have an equal right
to whatever education we CAN afford.
I agree that I should be concerned about the quality of
"regular" education provided by the public schools. And I
am, for both Caileigh and Paige (my other daughter). But if
Caileigh and children like her do not receive the special
education they need, they are _shut out_ of the education
system and the quality of that process is a moot point.
It still seems to me that you're looking at this as if there
are two pools: one that "normal" kids are entitled to, and
one that goes to special needs kids and steals from the
normal kids. But ALL children are entitled to (and
constitutionally guaranteed) a public education.
I would really like to understand WHAT you propose be done
differently? Should we just NOT provide special ed? Or not
educate kids whose cost would exceed a certain limit?
-Tracy
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674.13 | maybe i'm out in left-field | CNTROL::STOLICNY | | Thu Feb 21 1991 14:26 | 10 |
|
I guess to over-simplify what I'm trying to say, would be that if the
"ordinary" education budget is cut 10%, then so should be the special
education budget. It seems that if the education budget is cut 10%,
but it is "illegal" to modify the quality of special education (and
hence, no cost can be cut there), that the education of the other
children slips by much more than 10%. I'm sure I don't understand
the big picture so maybe I'm way out in left-field.
Carol
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674.14 | Budgets, Education | CSC32::DUBOIS | The early bird gets worms | Thu Feb 21 1991 15:40 | 19 |
| < I guess to over-simplify what I'm trying to say, would be that if the
< "ordinary" education budget is cut 10%, then so should be the special
< education budget.
I don't know that this is practical. What the money is spent on is so
different.
The way that I look at it is: we have X amount of dollars to spend on kids'
education. We are trying to use that money to bring all kids up to Y level
of learning (for instance, "they should all be able to read Shakespeare upon
graduation"). Now we have less money to spend on our kids' education, so
instead of having the kids "read Shakespeare", we will have to settle with
trying to get all kids to the level that they can "read Heinlein."
This would be the goal for *all* the children, special ed or not.
Tracy, am I on track? Close?
Carol
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674.15 | Cost-cutting Across The Board | MR4DEC::POLAKOFF | | Thu Feb 21 1991 15:57 | 49 |
|
Tracey,
While I believe that EVERY child has the right to an education--I would
agree with the previous note (does this mean you won't mail me articles
about left-handers anymore?).
That is, if the regular school budget is
cut by a certain percent, so should the special ed. budget be cut as
well. Again, I have good reason to believe that my child(ren) may have
some form of dyslexia (seeing that I'm dyslexic, my Dad was dyslexic,
and it's inherited). (I'm talking intellectually now--my
emotions may differ once my kids are in school). I just don't feel
that learning disabled kids should have an open-ended budget (whatever
it takes to bring them up to the "norm"--which I assume is
defined)--when the rest of the school children (ie: the normal kids)
are having to do with much less than what was previously considered
acceptable. In the case of "normal" kids--there is no clear-cut
definition of what is acceptable. It seems to me, that many school
districts in this state are educating kids to what is "minimally
acceptable" (ie: those towns that have very low test scores). Is this
right?
I don't have the answer. And Caleigh absolutely HAS THE RIGHT to a
free, public education. But so does every child. And I'm wondering if
our "mainstream" kids aren't getting short-changed because it costs so
much to educate special needs kids. Frankly, if my school district cut
their education budget by 10%--I'd expect it to be accross the
board--not just for the "mainstream" kids. Fair is fair. Mainstream
kids should not have to settle for less--nor should special ed. kids.
Again, there's no easy answer. But I do think that budget cuts should
be across the board. And I also think that those school districts that
show poor test results (ie: lower than the state average) should be
held accountable for those results.
It saddens me that in many towns, education is being sacrificed for the
sake of lower taxes. It costs money to educate kids (look how much it
costs to send a kid to college!) and unfortunately, many people are not
willing to make the sacrifice. If I lived in a town where the school
system was low priority--I'd get real active in community politics--and
fast...
Bonnie
It's no secret that the quality of education is declining in this
country.
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674.16 | "Flames to NL:" | MINAR::BISHOP | | Thu Feb 21 1991 16:51 | 14 |
| Please remember that not everyone agrees that children have the right
to a "free" education, handicapped or not. I do NOT wish to argue the
point here (and will not reply to any such attempts!), but even though
I am a parent, I do not believe publically-funded education is a good
idea.
"The right to X" means "other people have an obligation to do Y".
Given that education, like medicine, is potentially an infinite
money-sink, a right to education has no natural upper limit on cost.
It seems to me that the contention at issue in the recent replies is
the result of the way that public education is defined in terms of
results rather than costs and benefits.
-John Bishop
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674.17 | Another can of worms | GEMVAX::WARREN | | Sun Feb 24 1991 14:50 | 8 |
| My arguments ARE based on an assumption that the right to a free, public
education should continue to exist.
I suggest that that debate--whether we should have publicly funded
education--deserves its own note and should be pursued there.
Tracy
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674.18 | A FAPE for all! | ISLNDS::AMANN | | Tue Feb 26 1991 15:44 | 54 |
| While every child should be entitled to a free, appropriate, public
education (with "appropriate" being a word that can be interpreted
a thousand ways) it's clear that educationally handicapped students
in this country have often not been provide with a FAPE equivalent
to that provided non-educationally handicapped children.
For years the excuse was - "it will cost too much to educate Jenny
with the normal kids" and Jenny was either warehoused in some special
education room or, in many cases, actually denied a schooling.
This discriminatory policy existed across the USA. It was solved
the way many such problems have been solved, with laws that prohibit
discrimination. In the case of the educationally handicapped there
are now laws that require these students to be provided with a free,
appropriate, public education (FAPE).
The discrimination against these kids has not ended. The desire
to avoid the law, in the name of saving money for the 'normal' kids,
still exists. But, at least today, parents who know what their
educational rights are, can get them for their educationally
handicapped children.
Today many people see a decline in the education offerred to all
children. Local politicians would like to blame some of the poor
education on costs, including the costs to educate the educationally
handicapped. ("If only we had more money - if only we had the money
being wasted on these handicapped kids - our schools could do a
better job for the majority.")
But, this argument has no financial merit. It's the quality
of the education that matters, not the amount of money spent.
Rather than returning to the good old days and denying
handicapped kids a FAPE, it may be time to take a look at the
good that has come from special education laws. These laws
have allowed parents to become deeply involved with their handicapped
children's education. Perhaps it's time to create laws that ensure
ALL children get a FAPE, whether educationally handicapped or not.
I believe most public school systems would improve dramatically
if ALL parents were given the rights that now only exist for parents
of educationally handicapped youngsters. (Of course, entrenched
school bureaucracies might not agree. They often need to be dragged,
kicking and screaming, into providing FAPEs for educationally
handicapped children. They often exhibit the arrogance of the
enlightened with parents ("Hmmm, Mr. Smith, I know you think Jenny
should be able to read by now, but do you have a degree in education?")
But, the better schools now actually encourage parental participation
in the development of individual education plans, realizing that
cooperation with parents is necessary to stay out of a time-consuming
legal process).
"A FAPE for all!" That's a much better battle cry than "Let's go
back to the good old days when we could legally ignore the needs
of the educationally handicappped."
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674.19 | Nobody's Talking Warehousing | MR4DEC::POLAKOFF | | Wed Feb 27 1991 13:18 | 46 |
|
I absolutely agree that "a FAPE for all" is the best philosophy.
However, given that a large number of towns did not override 2 1/2,
means that a large number of children are going to receive less
of an education than they have in the past.
In the town I live in, prop. 2 1/2 was passed, but the schools still
have to cut their budget from what it was in previous years--given
inflation, etc.
There is a very angry father in our town who is accusing our school
system of denying each of his 3 ADD/Dyslexic children a proper
education. The father has had the 3 kids independently tested, and the
recommendation is for the kids to go to the Carroll School in Weston (I
think that's where it is).
Frankly, I think the kids deserve the best education available--and I
certainly think if Carroll can provide it--that's where the kids should
go. BUT--not on the backs of the rest of the kids in the school
system. If I personally could vote to raise taxes so that EVERY child
got a fair and equal education--I would. It's in my best interest to
do so.
BUT, there is a large population of people who's kids have already gone
through the school system--and their attitude is--I got mine--who cares
about yours? And therein is where the problem lies.
To put 3 kids into the Carroll School is going to severely cut into our
current school budget. They are already talking about having to cut
certain arts programs in order to pay the private-school tuition for these
kids. In my mind, that's like cutting off the lifeblood of kids who
are talented in the arts. Don't artistic children--or athletic
children--or gifted children also have rights?
I think the school system is trying to work with the family--trying to
keep the kids in the public school system. It hasn't been in the paper
for awhile--so maybe they're working something out.
Again--I don't want kids "warehoused," and I certainly want every kid
educated to the best of their ability--but I can't overlook the needs
of my child in favor of the needs of yours. And in these days of
budget crunching--that's what we're being asked to do--unfair as it is.
Bonnie
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674.20 | Why Not Get Parents To Help Foot The Bill? | MR4DEC::POLAKOFF | | Wed Feb 27 1991 13:28 | 31 |
|
One more thought....
Instead of Gov. Weld cutting certain programs for the educationally
handicapped--what about the parents of these kids contributing cold
cash for their education?
If a child needs to go to a private school--why not have the parents
complete a "financial analysis" and see whether the family can afford
to help foot the bill, using certain financial criteria--such as what
is used to assess affordability for college?
If the parents cannot contribute, then the town has to deal with the
cost. But if the family can contribute--whatever amount--will
certainly help the town (and townspeople) foot the bill.
If it turns out that my child needs a special education program, I
would certainly be willing to contribute financially to her
education. The concept of free, quality, public education is running
out of steam--as evidenced by our declining test scores in this
country. I don't see anything wrong with asking parents to help
support "extra" programs for their children.
When I couldn't learn to do math, my parents had to hire a tutor (out
of pocket) to see me through. Many parents are now paying for art and
sports programs out of pocket. How about asking parents to pay for
special ed. programs out of pocket as well?
Bonnie
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674.21 | FAPEs vs Greed | ISLNDS::AMANN | | Wed Feb 27 1991 17:31 | 21 |
| A "FAPE for all" ends the problems of taxpayers who want to preserve
taxes at the expense of children not getting a free, appropriate
public education. A "FAPE for all" would assure that
every parent who wanted to become involved in the education of their
child would have a legal right to do so, and towns would be required
to either pay for the free, appropriate, public education - or the
more substantial costs involved with litigating the issues.
The idea of making public education a needs based system would
certainly cut down on taxes. There is undoubtedly a huge percentage
of the population who have adequate finances and salaries to afford
the 3 to $6,000 a year needed to educate most students. Unfortunately,
there are lots of unfeeling, greedy people among our tax paying
population. I'm sure many of them, despite their salaries and
finances, would demand a "free" education for their child (even
if it only cost $3-6,000), while insisting that parents of
educationally handicapped children not get a free education
(despite the fact that it costs more to educate such children).
This type of unfeeling greed is what led to the creation of laws
protecting the educationally handicapped in the first place.
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674.22 | | MINAR::BISHOP | | Thu Feb 28 1991 11:29 | 3 |
| Not all who disagree with you are unfeeling and greedy.
-John Bishop
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674.23 | **moderator nudge** | RAVEN1::HEFFELFINGER | Vini, vidi, visa | Mon Mar 04 1991 09:51 | 14 |
| I have to agree with John here. Please be careful with the use of
loaded words.
Remember, in general, the people who read this file are not only
concerned parents but *in their own way* concerned about the world in general
and other kid's health and well-being. Just because they do not agree with
your means to the end, does not mean that they are bad people. (I know no
one has gone so far as to say that anyone here is "bad", but the subject is
heating up a bit and I suggest that restraint is in order.)
Thanks!
Tracey
Parenting co-mod
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674.24 | It's not the few taking from the many | GEMVAX::WARREN | | Sat Mar 09 1991 15:54 | 32 |
| I'd like to make several points.
First, the VAST MAJORITY of children with IEPs are part of a regular school
system and are, therefore, affected by cuts to the "regular" education EXACTLY
the same way as all the other children. So any belief that ONLY non-special ed
kids are hurt by cuts to the regular education budget is wrong.
Second, there is nothing in the law that says special ed budgets can't be cut.
They can and they are. It SAYS that kids with educational handicaps have as
much right as everyone else to an education, and we have to make it accessible
to them.
What this means is that educationally handicapped children are usually
hurt by budget
cuts TWICE.
The reality of this situation is that, in the best cases, children are
barely getting what they need to remove barriers to a "regular" education.
The reality
is that in many cases, the cost is small or negligible. The reality is that
"preventive medicine" saves money, if only eliminating the need for children to
"stay back." And the reality is that, in RARE cases, children have to go to
private schools at a higher cost because their needs are so great.
The principle is a free and public education for all. For ALL. Either that
child has the same right to an FAPE as yours or she doesn't. And if she
doesn't, where do we draw the line? We can always guarantee a better education
for some by discarding others. Is that what we want?
-Tracy
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