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Conference moira::parenting_v3

Title:Parenting
Notice:READ 1.27 BEFORE WRITING
Moderator:CSC32::DUBOIS
Created:Wed May 30 1990
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1364
Total number of notes:23848

325.0. "Nanny/au pair issues" by DEMON::CYCLPS::CHALMERS (Ski or die...) Wed Sep 12 1990 13:49

    My non-DECcie brother- & sister-in-law, who live in Hudson, MA,
    recently  hired a nanny from Nebraska (or Texas, I'm not sure...).
    Since they  don't have the luxury of plugging into something like our
    NOTES file, they've asked me to help them find out about ways for their
    nanny to meet other nannies in the area. Their agency hasn't been very
    proactive in building a 'nanny network', and hasn't yet fulfilled their
    promise of periodic get-togethers of the nannies hired thru them, so I 
    was wondering if other noters can share with me or point me to such 
    information.
    
    FWIW, their nanny has access to a car, and is off-duty evenings and
    weekends, and would be willing to travel throughout the general area
    in order to meet other nannies.
    
    I seem to remember a conversation regarding this topic in the previous
    version of PARENTING, but when I did a 'Dir/Title=Nann' in both V1 & V2,
    I couldn't find a title that referred to networking...the titles were
    very generic. Specific pointers would be appreciated as well.
    
    Thanks for your feedback.
    
    Freddie
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325.6Push back on the agencyMAJORS::MANDALINCIThu Sep 13 1990 10:3227
    Freddie,
    
    We have had 2 nannies in the past and the reason we chose a particular
    agency was because of the "nanny network". Yes, the monthly meetings
    were actually bi-monthly but they did have a softball league, day
    trips, etc. Does this nanny get newletters at all? Every month our
    nannies got a whole list of all the nannies placed by the agency and
    events to look forward to. Even if they don't have monthly meetings, 
    she should feel like she has an agency behind her. I would suggest 
    that she call up her agency and ask for the names and phone numbers 
    of the girls in her area. If they won't give her any, I would get 
    your brother involved and have him place a call to them. That is one of 
    the reasons he paid a heavy agency fee!!!! We don't know any 18-22 year 
    olds willing to make friends and who would have similar things in common 
    and EXPECTED the agency to live up to their "nanny network".
    
    I would push back on the agency (as both nanny and customer) and if
    no names are given, then I would have both express that they are
    dissatisfied with the ageny (not each other). It will be up to the
    nanny to make the phone calls to meet the girls (the agency isn't a
    friend-making service) so the nanny has to want it bad enough. The
    nanny couyld even offer to help arrange a monthly meeting - she'd meet
    all the girls that way. She could even suggest they have the meeting at
    her house. 
    
    Andrea
               
325.2COGITO::FRYEThu Sep 13 1990 13:2710
    Back in V2 a fellow noter had a new nanny and to help her make friends
    he had a barbecue and invited other nannies and au pair through this
    notesfile.  My own au pair and an American nanny both became good
    friends her and each other....FWIW.
    
    Also, I live in Sudbury and have a Swiss au pair (age 21) who seems to
    be interested in meeting other folks.  We could talk off-line.
    
    Norma
    dtn 287-3574
325.3Nanny/au pair issues and questionsCIMNET::JACOBSENWed Nov 14 1990 15:025
    I have a nanny in Belmont who attends a church in Weston that several
    Nanny's attend.  They have Thursday night (non-church oriented)
    get togethers each week also.  If you'd like to put your nanny in touch
    with mine let me know.  
    
325.4how are nanny's/au pair's??TADSKI::DOOLEYWed Aug 21 1991 17:0514
    Hi-
    
    	I currently have 2 kids, 2.5 yrs and 4 mos, and they go to a
    sitter's 3 days a week while I work. The sitter has a 12 yr old
    and does not take in any other children. She is good but it is getting
    to be alot of work to bring the kids there. 
    	I am thinking about getting a nanny and considering a live-in
    as it seems to hard to find someone a live-out nanny. Does anyone
    have any experience to share about having a nanny/au pair?
    
    Thanks for the help...
    
    ps. I am paying my sitter a significant amount and would like to
    have someone come to my home for the same $$'s
325.5AuPair infoTLE::PARMLINDWed Aug 21 1991 17:2616

  I have 2 children - 8 months and 21 months.  They are currently taken care
of by a live in AuPair from Sweden.  She is our second AuPair and we are 
soon going to have a third.  For us it has worked well.  
   If you are considering a live in AuPair keep in mind that you must have a
private room for them.  There are several different AuPair agencies.  I 
received a list by calling the childcare referral service and asking for info
about live in care.
   The $$ cost is less than daycare for 2 kids BUT the intangible cost is hard
to measure.  I find the loss of privacy difficult at times.  There is also
food, transportation etc..

   If you have any specific questions feel free to send mail.

Elizabeth
325.7Experience!? Yes!!TANNAY::BETTELSCheryl, Eur. Ext. Res. Prg., DTN 821-4022Thu Aug 22 1991 06:55133
Over the past 10 years I have had 19 au paires.  Our last (forever and ever) has
just left and I have never been so happy to end an era.  We have had very good
experiences and very bad experiences and mediocre experiences.  One DECworld
cost me three au paires in as many weeks.  I have had Swedish, German, English,
American, Dutch, French, and Finnish girls.  They were all over 18 (considered
adults) and most could drive.

The aboslutely most important thing in having live in care, in my opinion, is to
have some one you can live with and like.  This is even more important than
how well they look after your kids which is the second most important thing.
Third most important to me is that they were clean.  Anothere important thing
that fits in there somewhere is that they are willing.

If you hire an au paire and don't like her, try to change the situation.  Talk
the problem over with her IN VERY CLEAR terms.  If she doesn't change within
about a two week period, get rid of her.  This may sound hard on her, but the
quicker you change things up front, the happier you will be. 

Here is what we provided our au paires:

1. A three month French course.  If they could already speak French and only 
   needed practice, we would allow them to substitute a course like skiing or
   ceramics in a French speaking club up to the cost of the French course.

2. Their insurance (an absolute MUST), pension, and taxes.

3. A salary of between SF700 and SF900 per month (depending on experience).
   This is higher than the average for the area but not exorbitant.

4. An interview trip for a weekend, 2nd class train.  We usually interviewed
   two or three girls and found it good to have them over the weekend to see
   how they really are.  It is difficult to keep up a charade for an entire
   weekend.

5. Their trip to come work for us and their return trip if they stayed at least
   one year (more or less).

6. Their room and board.  In general, I provided any food and beverage they 
   liked.  This was maybe a mistake since the last one was a coke drinker and
   my boys are not allowed to have it on a regular basis.

7. Work times were from when I left home to when I got back.  We could also
   ask for two evenings babysitting per week of which one might be a weekend.
   Occassionally we both had to travel at the same time in which case she was
   alone with the children.

This is what I expected from them:

1. Complete charge of the children and their rooms and the bath and toilette
   she shares with them.  If she couldn't get the kids to clean their rooms,
   she had to do it herself.  She was expected to keep their clothes ironed
   and mended.  

2. Looking after the children during working hours, helping with homework,
   doing arts and crafts with them, doing sports with them, transporting them on
   rainy days or to activities.

3. Doing all the laundry.  I have an additional cleaning lady who irons and
   cleans the rest of the house.

4. Preparing their breakfast, lunch, and occassionally dinner.  Lunch is their
   main meal.

5. Cleaning up after herself.

6. Keeping the refridgerator clean (she uses it most).

7. Keeping the shopping list up to date.

8. The last few also did the grocery shopping since the boys were then in school
   all day.

9. Walking the dog.

The last girl was able to do all this in about 2-3 hours a day.  She had a real
soft job.

We normally hired German girls for the language.  In the beginning, we hired
erzieherinen (kindergarten school teachers) fresh from school who couldn't
get jobs.  They were good with young children.  As the boys got older and
needed more help with homework, we hired girls who had done their arbitur
(college bound diploma) and could already speak reasonable French.

Occassionally (like the famous DECworld) we had to hire girls on the local 
market.  That was usually less successful although the worst au paire we had
was the second girl and we had carefully interviewed her.  I guess, since the
first was so good, we thought we could do no wrong.  The second was irrespon-
sible and a thief.  We have had two girls (both 25 yrs old) get pregnant and
one arrive pregnant.

Remember also that when you take a young woman into your home, you are taking
on many of her problems.  Ours tended to get homesick.  I always prefered (and
I know this is unfair but that's life) the pretty girls because I knew they
would go out and make friends and not mope around the house all the time.

We provided a car only during working hours for "business" reasons.  We have
good train service to Geneva.

We found most of our girls through newspaper ads.  We usually would get between
20 and 30 replies.  We would narrow the field down to around 8 and then call 
them all up and interview them over the phone.  We would then narrow the
choice down to two with a third as alternate.  We would arrange for the two
to come on separate weekends.  If neither was a good choice, we would then 
interview the alternate.  In the end, we got so good at choosing that we usually
only had to have one come.

The longest any one stayed was 18 months.  The shortest was 1 week (she could
not control my younger son).  Only about three could cook which is why J�rgen
and I always eat at work.  Only one could properly clean a toilette.

So far as nationalities go (and here my statistics are VERY low), the American
was very nice but really only a babysitter.  She liked putting the kids in
front of the television.  The Dutch were the worst for cleanliness.  The Swedes
were very cliquey and didn't learn French well.  The one English girl I had
was a hospital nurse just needing to fill out a few months.  The Germans were
a mixture but in general not terribly well trained in household chores 
although very good with the children.  They tended to have the most problems 
with getting homesick.

When you have a good au paire and small children, it is great.  No worries
about going on a trip or coming home a bit late (of course we always gave a
call).  There is nothing worse than having a lousy au paire in your home because
you can never get away from her.  But after ten years, I wanted my house and
my kids to myself.  The privacy aspect, the fact that they don't look after
your things as you'd like, they break things, they wash the whites and reds 
together, etc., etc.  And when your children get to be the age of mine, they
are often a bad example and poor role model.

If you want any more information, send me mail or give me a call at 
DTN 821-4022.

Regards,
Cheryl
325.8UFP::KELLYTue Sep 03 1991 12:116
    We have two children (7 and 2.5 ) and have had Aupairs since the
    youngest was an infant. For us, having an aupair is much better than
    putting the children in daycare. As other people have mentioned privacy
    has been the biggest issue. There are times when I just want my house
    and children to myself. If you have any questions or want to talk, give
    me a call(DTN: 341-2074).