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Conference moira::parenting_v3

Title:Parenting
Notice:READ 1.27 BEFORE WRITING
Moderator:CSC32::DUBOIS
Created:Wed May 30 1990
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1364
Total number of notes:23848

126.0. "Multiracial children" by SHARE::SATOW () Thu Jul 12 1990 13:29

In one of the other notes, a parent of a mixed race child expressed concern 
over how to deal with racial taunts that the child might eventually encounter.
This note is to discuss issues around mixed race children.

I am by ancestry Japanese.  I speak little Japanese and am culturally mostly 
American.  My wife (who is also Gary and Lara's biological mother) is Caucasian.
My daughter is 10 and my son will soon be 7.  Physically, both of them look 
more Caucasian than Asian.

Both of them seem to understand that their father is Japanese, as is one of 
their aunts, as is `Grammy' and the late `Poppy', but neither shows to me any 
indication that they consider _themselves_ to be Japanese, or even multiracial.
My daughter came home with the old ditty

	"My father's Japanese" (pull up corner of right eye)
	"My mother's Chinese " (pull down corner of left eye)
	"And I'm just a mixed up kid" (do both)

My daughter has many Asian friends and one who is Eurasian.  Their compatibility
_seems_ to me to be based more on personality than on race, but of course I 
can't be sure of that -- if it is based partially on race, it's probably 
subconscious anyway.

If either of my children has been the victim of a racial taunt, they have not 
made me aware of it, nor have I observed it.  I think that the fact that my 
daughter brought home the little ditty indicates to me that the kids at school 
don't think of her in racial terms; if so, I think that the little ditty would 
have been in the form of a racial taunt, or she would have been excluded from 
that little joke.  And though both Gary and Lara have had their share of 
disagreements with playmates and taken their share of teasing, the teasing has 
never been expressed in racial terms.

Demographically, our neighborhood is upper middle class, mostly white, and 
mostly well educated.

That's the background.  Now for the questions/opinions.

	- their personal racial identification seems to me to a combination
	  of their appearance and the culture they were raised in.  Probably
	  more of the latter.  Any opinions or other experiences here?

	- the fact that they have not been subjected to racial taunts seems
	  to me a combination of their appearance, the culture they were 
	  raised in, and the attitudes of the community they live in, but
	  I'm not sure which, if any, is predominant.  Any opinions or other
	  experiences here?  

	- I suspect that racial taunts that may occur will be in the form
	  of " Ya' muddah weahs combat boots" kind of stuff.  I other words,
	  indirect insults.  The parent is the one who is easily identified
	  by race, and bigots have a much easier time dealing with black and
	  white (excuse the pun) than with shades of gray.  But I suppose 
	  there could be "half breed" or "mongrel" type stuff also.  Whatta 
	  you think?

	  In any case, I don't have a contingency plan to deal with it, simply
	  because I haven't seen the need for it.  If it became constant, or
	  if it bothered either Gary or Lara greatly, then maybe it would need 
	  attention.  But for now I think I would deal with it as I deal with 
	  teasing generally.  "You ain't got nothin' to be ashamed of, but 
	  s/he is sure acting like an ass".

Thanks

Clay

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126.1CLOSUS::HOEDaddy, let's go camping!Thu Jul 12 1990 19:0324
< Note 126.0 by SHARE::SATOW >

>>>>In any case, I don't have a contingency plan to deal with it, simply
	  because I haven't seen the need for it.

Clay

As with all plans, it's subject to change. As you may have read,
I am Chinese-Canadian (raised in Canada), my spouse is
French-German American and my adopted son is Japanese-American.
When I was raised, I was taught about my heritage by my parents,
uncles and grand parents. I will teach my son about his oriental
heritage and let the school system teach him about the American
part.

I also, have a plan to talk up about him being adopted; enough
that he knows the words and and later the meanings.

Childhood taunting is very much part of life, racial or not. I
was with my buddy's family union this weekend and the 6 and 7
year old was teasing the 13 year old about her relationship with
boys. 

calvin
126.2CSC32::WILCOXBack in the High Life, AgainFri Jul 13 1990 10:364
Clay, I haven't any brilliant insight to offer, I'll just pass
along what my sociology teacher once said:

"Prejudice is like venereal disease - you get it from people who've got it"
126.3ProudBSS::SHUTEFri Jul 13 1990 11:4433
    I am Japanese Hawaiian mix (more Japanese) but I was born an American
    on Yokota AFB so that's what I consider myelf--an American.  I am proud
    of my heritage.  Up to third grade, I was able to speak both Japanese
    and English.  Unfortunately, a boy came up to me and said, "If you
    don't speak all English, you're stupid."  At that age, it affected me a
    lot and I stopped using Japanese.  I have tried to pick up speaking the
    language by taking Japanese classes in junior high school and I aced
    all the classes but as the saying goes, "use it or lose it."  My mother
    speaks Japanese but I rarely spoke Japanese back to her.  I can fully
    understand it when spoken to and I can say some words and very few
    phrases.  I regret not being able to because I can am restricted to
    what I can teach my two children.  
    
    Fortunately, I have very rarely experienced racial taunts. Once in a
    great while, a young boy in our neighborhood will slant his eyes at me
    but I just ignore them and it has pretty much stopped.  They just want
    attention.  My daughter who is 5 1/2 is aware that her grandparents who
    live in town are Japanese and is proud of it.  My son who is 2 isn't
    quite old enough yet to understand the difference.
    
    My mother goes back to Japan to visit her family every other year and
    always brings back our children gifts.  My daughter takes those special
    gifts and shares it with the children in her class at daycare on "Share
    Time" days.
    
    She proudly wears her Japanese robe and soon I will pass on to her the
    kimono and accessories which I wore when I was six.
    
    I've always considered myself fortunate in being a mixed race of
    Japanese-Hawaiian-American.  There's so much I can share with my
    childen and that they can share onto others.
    
    Karen
126.4Come backBSS::SHUTEFri Jul 13 1990 12:193
    P.S.  I forgot to add that if anyone says to my children, "Your mother
    wore combat boots", they can reply back "Yes she did.  How did you
    know?"  (both my husband and I were in the Air Force)
126.5BUFFER::CHOWFri Jul 13 1990 13:0297
	Clay....It sounds like your kids are growing up in a very healthy
	environment and if I were to have it my way, I would see that my 
	daughters be as fortunate in having it the same.  However, *my* 
	view on the reality of growing up Asian (or half-Asian) in America 
	is not as optimistic.  I expect that they will eventually have to 
	deal with the fact of their mixed racial heritage and as much as I 
	hope that it will occur gently in a supportive, non-traumatic 
	manner, I fear that it will not.  Perhaps I'm just projecting my 
	own anxieties based on my own experiences...I don't know.  In 
	retrospect, my childhood/adolescent period growing up in New England
	was for the most part, very good....very "all-American" you might
	say.  However I can still recall as an eight year old, having just
	moved into the town I would eventually grow up in, wondering why 
	all our neighbors' homes started sprouting "For Sale" signs on their 
	lawns.  In growing up, I quickly learned that the "pecking order" 
	(for young boys at least) was often determined by one's physical 
	strength and speed and in these areas I was fortunate to be able to 
	hold my own.  In later years, I would occasionally wonder what 
	might have happened had I not.  Would life had been more difficult 
	for me if those who might have taunted me had known they could "get 
	away" with it and not suffer some physical retribution?  Kids, as we 
	all know, can get pretty mean at times and will often reach out for 
	the "weapon" which can inflict the most pain.  I can think of few 
	things that can be more cutting...more wounding than racial slurs.  

	In the perfect world, I would not be concerned....however, I don't 
	believe this is a perfect world.  IMO, I would be negligent in not 
	preparing (or being prepared to help) my daughters to survive the 
	storms of racism and bigotry if and when they're encountered.

	Now...re: the questions...

>	- their personal racial identification seems to me to a combination
>	  of their appearance and the culture they were raised in.  Probably
>	  more of the latter.  Any opinions or other experiences here?

	I would suspect that given their environment and especially their
	relative ages, the culture would be the dominant factor for now.  
	However, if and when they deal with the identity crisis most 
	adolescents go through, you may find that there is a noticeable shift 
	towards being more Asian....perhaps even an overcompensation to "make 
	up" for all the years of being "white" before settling down somewhere 
	in between.  I feel that the "need to belong" to *some* group at that 
	time of life is so strong...yet can be devastating when you find out 
	you belong to neither....Asian or white.  It can be tough to try to 
	find out "who you are" when there are no obvious role models (at least 
	in the racial sense).  You, as the parent, can say "you are who you
	are" but as an adolescent, when you look in the mirror and you don't
	see Mom...and you don't see Dad...and you realize that the path you
	face is one you must carve out for yourself, it can get pretty
	confusing and intimidating.

>	- the fact that they have not been subjected to racial taunts seems
>	  to me a combination of their appearance, the culture they were 
>	  raised in, and the attitudes of the community they live in, but
>	  I'm not sure which, if any, is predominant.  Any opinions or other
>	  experiences here?  

	As you mentioned earlier, their appearance is more white than Asian
	so I would suspect that this is the dominant factor.  People often
	respond to other people based purely on appearance.  Take for example
	the studies done where someone changes their appearance to something
	they are not ("Black Like Me" I believe is the name of one book
	describing the experiences of a white man who was made up to be 
	black).  I would suspect that your kids probably won't ever have
	somebody say to them that they "speak very good English" like I did
	in the city (Providence, R.I.) I was born in.  
	
	Regarding the community...I suspect that this has an impact too
	however, even in my present hometown...a place which I consider
	pretty socially enlightened, a kid of around 8 or 9 years old rode 
	by my house on his bike recently saying "ching, chang, chong..".

>	- I suspect that racial taunts that may occur will be in the form
>	  of " Ya' muddah weahs combat boots" kind of stuff.  I other words,
>	  indirect insults.  The parent is the one who is easily identified
>	  by race, and bigots have a much easier time dealing with black and
>	  white (excuse the pun) than with shades of gray.  But I suppose 
>	  there could be "half breed" or "mongrel" type stuff also.  Whatta 
>	  you think?

	Unless you're the more rebellious type or you're just trying to
	"make a statement", most people would prefer to "belong" rather
	than be different so any statement that focuses on differences
	can be painful.  Statements aimed at the parents indirectly can 
	be pointed at the children.  I can remember one taunt..."why don't
	you go back where you came from" which would be ironic in my 
	daughters' case because their mother's family can be traced back to
	the 1600's in America.

	Let's face it...it's tough growing up regardless of what color
	you are and when you're not a member of the present majority,
	that's just one more issue that has to be dealt with.  I hope 
	that Jan and I are able to make the issue of our daughters'
	racial heritage an asset for them rather than a liability.

	Milton
126.6my kidsWMOIS::B_REINKEtreasures....most of them dreamsThu Jul 19 1990 17:5037
    I've found the replies so far to be interesting. Some of you may recall
    that my husband and I adopted 4 mixed race children (moms were white
    and dads were black) plus having one 'home grown' child.
    
    The two boys look definitely black and the older of the two, Peter,
    who is 17, has a very strong black identity, which has gotten stronger
    as he has gone through high school. I will be very interested in how
    he grows and changes in college starting in the  fall.
    
    Stevie who is 15 is also mildly retarded, so while he's aware that
    he's black it isn't a political issue with him as it is for Peter.
    
    Peter got a few negative remarks while in grade school that I spoke
    to the teachers about and they delt with. Since jr high he's
    delt with any racism that he's encountered (which wasn't much until
    this year when he got the school committee to change the mascot from
    a characature of a native american - but that is another story).
    
    Stevie has gotten teased because of his being retarded and kind of
    simple and trusting..we've worked with him on how to deal with
    kids who do that.
    
    The two girls favor their mothers' race. Judi has - I've been told
    by a black co worker - a black body build, essentially pear shaped
    with very muscular legs, but is entirely caucasian in features -
    light skin, blue eyes, straight brown hair. She had pretty much
    self identified as white until she spent 4 months in Texas and
    encountered some real prejudice against blacks, yankees and hispanics.
    As a result she's actually admitted publically that she's part
    black, a big step for her. Judi is 16.
    
    Jessie is 12. She looks hispanic or italian, is quite willing to
    admit that she is 'part black' but hasn't formed any strong
    self identity in re being mixed race as yet. I believe that as
    it has with Peter and Judi, it will with her also.
    
    Bonnie