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Title:Parenting
Notice:Previous PARENTING version at MOIRA::PARENTING_V3
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Created:Thu Apr 09 1992
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1133.0. "Sudden separation problems with 5-yr-old" by PCBUOA::DOONAN () Mon Apr 29 1996 16:02

My youngest son, Gregory, will be 5 years old in mid-May.

Over the last few months he has developed a rather severe problem with 
separating from either of us.

During his three days of preschool each week, he becomes anxious at home while 
getting ready, tries his mightiest to be brave in the car, and when he gets to 
school the floodgates burst open.  His cry is one of fear of being separated 
from his parents, not one of senseless whining.  This is totally unlike him; he 
has never had problems going off to school or daycare (where he's been since he 
was 6 months old).

I witnessed the latest episode at school this morning for the first time, in 
that I rarely have the occasion to drive him.  It was a heart-wrenching sight 
that almost brought me to tears.  The teacher had picked him up and quickly 
whisked him away to a group of kids, but all I saw was a kid lunging out at his 
Daddy as I walked out.  I called the school when I arrived at work, and he had 
calmed down after 5 minutes as he usually does.  Thank God.

Not that Gregory has had no reason to act abnormally.  His grandmother -- my 
mother-in-law -- passed away the day after this past Christmas somewhat 
suddenly.  The two were very close -- they saw each other several times every 
week.  As Nana became ill and we knew the end was close, we spoke to him and his 
brother and sister and explained things as best we could.  We still talk much on 
the subject, and he seems to grasp things.  He prays for Nana every night, and 
has rarely asked questions such as 'where is she' or 'can I go see her' that I 
know commonly come up.

We have now learned that he's become more of a loner at school the last few 
months; not excessively, they say, but enough for the teacher to take notice.  
He is still doing quite well overall, we hear.  And we've certainly seen the 
separation problems at home in several ways.  I can't step out of the car for 20 
seconds and pay for the gas I had just pumped myself without coming back and 
seeing him in tears.  I can't even get his sister dressed after her swimming 
lesson because he won't let me leave the side of the pool while he has HIS 
lesson.  And his kindergarten screening last week was a disaster:  he was the 
only one of about 80 kids whose parent had to accompany him into the screening.  
Even my wife's presense didn't help him here, because he barely answered any of 
the questions, and the ones he did he answered wrong.  This is a kid who is 
reading advanced early-reader books and was pronounced in JANUARY as 'more than 
ready' to advance to kindergarten.  He's known for his constant smile and sunny 
disposition, and it breaks my heart to see him in any other light.

He's also seen his mother go through foot surgery in May where she spent several 
days in the hospital.  Her recuperation is going far slower than expected, so 
she's had to make numerous doctor visits that put him in daycare or babysitting 
situations more times than normal.

Does anyone have any ideas on how we can get past this stage, but mostly how we 
can help Gregory?  What must he be thinking and feeling?  'This, too, shall 
pass', someone famous once said, but when???

Thanks much!


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1133.1Similar Situation with Sarah...USCTR1::MCGINNISMon Apr 29 1996 17:2736
    
    
    This sounds like a familiar story with my Sarah, who is now 5 1/2. 
    When Sarah was 4, my mother took very ill and passed away.  Sarah had
    a very close bond with my mother.  3 Months later, my grandmother died,
    then a month after that Sarah's nursery school teacher died.  Sarah
    seemed okay until early september of 1995 (about 4-6 months after all
    the deaths) then at school she suddenly started not participating and 
    very withdrawn from all the children.  I met with her kindergarden
    teacher and discussed this during parent/teacher conference.  I didn't
    realize how upset she was over everything because she was being
    sensative to my needs.  Sarah's always the strong one, saying it's okay
    we remember all the good times, right?
    
    Eventually, I sat and asked her about her being withdrawn at school and
    not wanting to participate in school activities.  Basically, she was
    going through a depression state of all her losses.  Eventhough she
    seemed to handle them okay, while it was happening, she really I think
    was in denial (sp?).  As time went on, she grew out of it, we talk
    often of the people she lost, I think this has helped tremendously.
    Sometimes, out of no where, she'll start laughing or crying because of
    memories of gramma, and she'll say, I really miss her.
    
    
    It could be a similar situation for gregory, maybe he's afraid of
    people leaving and not coming back.  Don't under-estimate how much a
    little person actually grasps.  He could be worrying about things we
    wouldn't expect a small child to even think about.
    
    If I could turn back the clock, I'd be a better listener, and pay extra
    close attention to how sensitive Sarah got in certain situations.
    
    Good luck, I hope everything works out for the little guy.
    
    Joyce
                                                                     
1133.2Does the idea of "Death" suddenly click?DECWIN::MCCARTNEYTue Apr 30 1996 08:0614
    This is just sort of a wild guess, but do kids go through a phase
    around 5-6 where they suddenly start grasping what death is?
    
    I know that what we went through last weekend is no where in the same
    range (thank God!), but this past weekend my 5 year old found the
    collar of a cat we had that died 2 1/2 years ago.  We found her sitting
    in the dark dining room by herself crying over the cat!  We talked to
    her about it for nearly 2 hours with her alternating between sad and
    sobbing.  It took us completely by surprise!  We've not had any other
    deaths in our families or friends within the last few years.
    
    Just wondering,
    
    Irene
1133.3TAKE IT SERIOUSLYSUBSYS::SPERATue Apr 30 1996 11:3615
I had similar concerns after my dad's death last year. There are books which
mayhelp raise the issue to where your child can talk about it. Elizabeth Kubler
Ross has a children's book about heaven and a child who dies. Badger's parting
gifts is a little easier as the character is an animal. 

You may want to call a local hospital or hospice to find out about grief support
for children. There are a lot of people out there doing things to help kids get
through losses...special ceremoies, books, counseling.

My daughter (also nearly 5)still asks questions but not as much as last year. I
expect more soon as she is beginning to get the idea that body and soul are
separate and she has not really understood the burying issue.

Don't expect him to outgrow it; that's just leaving the little guy to handle it
all by himself when he really needs some help.