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Title:Parenting
Notice:Previous PARENTING version at MOIRA::PARENTING_V3
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Created:Thu Apr 09 1992
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
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1116.0. "Getting back in shape - help" by BASEX::WERNETTE () Wed Mar 27 1996 09:26

I wasn't sure where to put this topic, so mods if there is
an appropriate existing note please move it.

Christopher is two years old and I still haven't lost all
the weight I gained during pregnancy.  I used to be able to
say, "I just had a baby, that's why I'm carrying this extra
weight."  But alas, that explanation is wearing thin given
Christopher's age.  The thought of going through another
summer trying to cover it up has me pretty depressed.  I'm 
looking for some suggestions on how other women have 
successfully gotten down to their pre-pregnancy weight.
I gained 54 lbs. during my pregnancy and lost all but 12.
Unfortunately the extra 12 lbs. is in all the wrong places.  

In the days of B.C. (before child) I would go to the gym
three days a week and maybe take an aerobics class, but now
that isn't so easy to do.  I was thinking of buying a nordic
track, but I'm not sure how often I would use it.  Do any 
noters work out with equipment at home?  Do you find it easy
to continue using exercise equipment at home?  When do you
find the time to work out?  How do you stay motivated?  How 
about Weight Watchers?  Maybe that's the way to go.  But when
do you find time to go to the meetings?  And finding a
babysitter so that you can attend is a whole new topic.  I'd 
like some feedback on what worked for others.

Thanks,
Terry
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1116.1How I did it...WONDER::MAKRIANISPattyWed Mar 27 1996 10:0720
    
    Before I had my children I gained a lot of weight and lost it through
    Weight Watchers and walking regularly. I then had two kids 3 years
    apart and I was back and beyond where I had been long before. I joined 
    Weight Watchers again and got back to where I wanted to be. I work in
    PKO (where do you work??) and everyt Friday from noon to 1pm there is a
    Weight Watchers At Work program meeting. This is how I did it both
    time, i.e., through work. We also have a small gym here and I work out
    at lunchtime doing a bike or treadmill and some weights. I have a
    stepper at home, but I never use it. When I'm at home I have more than
    enough to do with the kids and housework. I love working out at
    lunchtime and now that the good weather is coming back I'll be back out
    on the streets doing my powerwalking. Good Luck in your efforts. You
    really have to be ready to do this and you sound like you are. If
    you're not near PKO (for the Weight Watchers) but think you can get
    enough people at your site to get a group going (I think you need 12
    people) I can get you in touch with the appropriate person for starting
    up a session.
    
    Patty
1116.2WRKSYS::MACKAY_EWed Mar 27 1996 10:1515
    
    I found that if the workplace has a gym or fitness center, it is 
    *best* to workout at work, no babysitter required, no distraction,
    no equipment to buy, no excuses. If that isn't feasible, joining 
    a health club or workout class after work is next best, however
    daycare has to be arranged, yet some health club has nursery right
    there. I found it extremely difficult to workout at home, as I
    could always find all sorts of excuses;-).
    
    
    Eva
    
    
    
    
1116.3You can do it!!!SHRCTR::BRENNANWed Mar 27 1996 10:2048
    
    
    Hi Terry!
    
    Boy, can I relate.  When I was reading your note I 
    said "that's ME -- she's talking about ME"!
    
    Patrick is now 14 months and I still have 32lbs. to go
    to get back to my BB weight (I gained 60+ with Patrick).  
    Like you, I used the excuse that "hey, I just had a baby" 
    but now that's getting kind of old.
    
    I started getting serious about working out and loosing
    weight about a month ago.  I've been diagnosed with 
    "delayed Post Pardum" and medication and the exercise
    have helped me immensely.
    
    I work in Shrewsbury and there is a Fitness Center here.  
    Myself and a co-worker exercise at lunch about 4-5 days 
    a week -- and it's helped.  When the weather gets a little 
    warmer we'll start walking.  At home I have a CardioFit 
    and I do that on nights I don't workout at lunch and on 
    the weekends.  I *MAKE* the time.  Either after the baby 
    goes to bed or I'll just say to  Frank "I'm working out 
    now" and go in and shut the door for 45 minutes and do 
    my thing.
    
    As far as diet goes, I've just been watching it.  Cutting
    down on fat (no butter, mustard instead of mayo, etc.) and
    NO sweets, that's been the hardest.  I eat three meals a day,
    sometimes I skip dinner, and inbetween I have a piece of 
    fruit or carrots or something along those lines.
    
    I've always had a problem with my weight, I yo-yo up and down.
    I tried Weight Watchers once and didn't like it, couldn't 
    be bothered with measuring the food and keeping a journal, etc.
    AND, I wasn't in the right mindset...and I think that's where
    one needs to be.  Decide that yes I'm going to loose this 
    weight, set small goals, and don't be hard on ones self.
    
    I have a spring/summer wardrobe that *I AM* going to get
    back into!  *8^)
    
    Best of luck to you!  I know how hard loosing weight can be!
    
    Kristin
    
    
1116.4my storyMAIL1::LOCOVAREWed Mar 27 1996 10:3428
    
    	Well I had an advantage working in Manhattan where Weight
    watchers was only 3 blocks away and I went at Lunch hour.
    It helped especially with the first child..to stay motivated
    and lose the weight..eventually you can do the diet yourself,
    it is very simple.  I did go back again after my 2nd because
    I had more to lose that time and knew I had a 6 month haul
    to get there. I went for about 2 months and continued on my
    own after that..$$ add up each week.
    
    They have the work option that previous noter mentioned and they
    also have a Weight Watchers at Home program..books, videos etc..
    That might be good but I need the comraderie of the meetings
    to get me going and stick to it..
    
    My only option to excercise due to time was walking...at lunch hour
    I walked steadily for at least 45 min to 1 hour..I took steps when
    there was a choice.  
    
    I found the diet very necessary since I didn't have the time
    to work out more. I did buy a treadmill (manual) and I was 
    faithful until I went back to work...by the time I get two
    kids fed, bathed , put to bed, clean up it is 9:30 PM and
    I am not motivated to work out then! 
    
    	Good luck..the best advice is do what you can fit in your
    alloted time.
    
1116.5moreMAIL1::LOCOVAREWed Mar 27 1996 10:3910
    
    	Oh, one other thing..I used frozen meals (ie WW, Lean cusine)
    with a salad as my main dinner and found it easier than trying
    to plan meals that were low calorie all the time..
    
    In fact Weight Watchers does offer Personnel Cusine - food
    for week so you do not have to think about it.
    
    I did my own version..just dinner. I could manage breakfast and
    lunch.
1116.6can't win...CSLALL::JACQUES_CATrust me, I'm a ratWed Mar 27 1996 11:0729
    I too say, THAT'S ME!  Only, I'm trying to lose weight I had
    before I got pregnant.  I'm already below my pre-pregnancy
    weight, but find the time!
    
    As a single parent, getting sitter's so I can work out after
    work is a no win situation for me.  I can't afford it.  There's
    no where here at work.   
    
    I have at home a rower and an alpine climber, but no where to put
    them in my mobile home.  They got regular use before I moved.  It
    is especially frustrating to have the equipment to obtain my goal,
    but no where to put/use it.
    
    I've bought a step and a bunch of tapes, but can't even consider them
    while Angeline is awake.  I tried, it was quite comical.  So that
    leaves me with trying to work out after she goes to bed.  An hours
    workout brings me right up to my bed time.  Tough time to be working
    out, and not good to go lay down right after.
    
    So yesterday, actually the night before, I got everything ready that
    I usually do in the a.m.   I generally get up at 4:30.  So I got up
    yesterday and worked out for 45mins then.  But then hit another 
    dilema....just as I was finishing, Angeline woke up (early).  Now that
    made my getting a shower in a bit difficult.  I did manage to get her
    back to sleep, and grabbed a quick shower, but wound up losing precious
    time.
    
    So....back to the drawing board...
    							cj
1116.7This is working for ME!OOYES::WEIERPatty, DTN 381-0877Wed Mar 27 1996 11:15100
    
    Oooooh - this is spooky .... as I tried on my "skinny" pants this
    morning, and they were TOO BIG!  I was thinking "I bet there's other
    moms out there that would love to do this - wonder if there's an entry
    in parenting?"
    
    I have 3 kids, and Jonathan is 2 1/2.  Actually, over the past year
    I've gained even more weight than shortly after he was born )-:
    
    I'm also diabetic, so doing those "Slim Fast" and starvation plans, is
    NOT an option for me.
    
    The FIRST thing I did (though this wasn't the intention at the time),
    was place a full length mirror at one end of the hall, near the
    bathroom.  This way EVERY morning I wake up, and on the way to the
    bathroom, there's no choice but to look at myself (accompanied by an
    EWWW!  Gross! and a quick turn of the head.)  That was step 1.
    
    Get disgusted with yourself.  Before this, I'd look and say "Well, if I
    turn THIS way, I don't look SO bad...".  It wasn't till I really
    couldn't stand what I saw, before I had the motivation to DO IT and
    stick with it!
    
    Step 2. MAKE IT EASY!!  I have a rower and a Health Rider in my
    basement.  At the time, I couldn't do either one for any recommended
    amount of time.  About 5 mins had me crying UNCLE!  BUT, I decided that
    that was okay, and that even 5 minutes was a lot better than NO
    minutes, and yeah, it would take longer, but I also wasn't willing to
    "kill" myself doing it, cuz I knew I wouldn't stick with that sort of a
    program.  Over time you'll WANT to work up to the recommended numbers,
    but for now, let yourself just DO what you can DO, and to heck with
    everyone else telling you it's "not enough".  Is it more than what you
    WERE doing?  Then it's good!!
    
    Step 3. Make it CONSISTENT!!  EVERY DAY!!!!  Yes, every single day.  If
    you try for every other day, it's too easy to put it off.  It's too
    easy to do the laundry, or catch that tv program, or give the kids an
    extra bath, or plan something during your "workout" time.  You need to
    block off some amount of time (again, even if it's only 10 mins!), for
    yourself, EVERY DAY.  Later on you may choose to skip a day here or
    there, and you CAN, because you're working out 7 days a week, so
    missing 1 day doesn't have as much of an impact as if you're working
    out 3-4 days and you miss a day.
    
    Step 4. FIT IT IN.  This goes along with "make it easy".  Face it, if
    you're short on time, and you pick a routine that's 30,40,50 mins,
    start to finish, you're NEVER going to get it done.  I do 5-15 mins
    every morning.  Before the kids get up.  I just set my alarm ~15 mins
    earlier than I used to, get up, make my coffee, go down cellar and
    sweat a little.  Surely you can get up 10-15 mins earlier to get that
    skinny body back?!?!  This makes it simpler in a LOT of ways  1.I don't
    have to take an extra shower (thus extra time) 2. I don't have to worry
    about a sitter, because the kids are safe, usually sleeping.  3. I
    don't have to think about weather, because the weather in my basement
    is fairly consistent.  4. I don't have to worry about "what time" the
    gym opens, or a class starts - it's always there.  5. I DON'T HAVE TO
    GIVE A CARE WHAT I LOOK LIKE!!!  I can sit there with the flab hanging
    over the seat, and only the spiders are looking (-:  There's not some
    skinny twig next to me, doing it 10 times better/easier than me.  
    
    Step 5. Make it fun!!  Bring a radio or tv set with you.  Make whatever
    equipment you choose, be something that you don't MIND using.  GET MORE
    THAN 1 PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.  1 piece is TOO BORING!!  Some days I'll
    only use either the rower or the healthrider, because I'm sick to death
    of the other one.  If I didn't have a choice, I wouldn't do anything at
    all.  Use "easy to get" equipment - if your ceilings are high enough,
    use a jump rope!  If you have an extra VCR, you can do aerobic videos. 
    Some health plans PAY for equip. now - Matthew Thornton will reimburse
    up to $150.00 on selected equipment - check it out!
    
    Step 6. Watch the fat.  REALLY!!!  I cut fat OUT of my diet entirely
    for 1 1/2 weeks, and dropped 3 1/2 pounds.  I've since had a little
    rebound, but knowing that the effect is possible helps carry me
    through.  It's tough to get the weight off - it's easier to not put it
    ON in the first place.  So, before you grab that Twinkie think to
    yourself "Am I REALLY willing to run for 15 minutes to burn this off?"
    Maybe that carrot stick, or some steamed mushrooms would be a better
    alternative.  (or check out those lo-fat granola-type bars)
    
    And before you do any of this, weigh and MEASURE yourself!!!!  I didn't
    measure myself, and I really regret it.  I've lost about 20% of the
    weight that I want to lose (I started all this Feb 16), but I know that
    I've lost a much more impressive amount of "inches" (muscle weighs more
    than fat).  Pants that I couldn't have pulled past my thighs when I
    started,are now TOO BIG for me.  Can you BELIEVE IT?!?!?  I CAN'T!!! 
    (-:
    
    And lastly, as Susan Powell says ... *MOVE*!!!  Fit in anything that
    you can, any time that you can.  I work in ZK2, I park my car in ZK3,
    in the farthest spot, in the farthest lot.  This gives me about 1/2
    mile walk to my desk, twice a day.  "POWER WALK".  Yeah, it adds about
    5-7 mins to/from my car, but hey - it's worth it.
    
    And check out the new video by Covert Bailey, I believe it's called FIT
    OR FAT, and says a lot of REALLY GREAT things!
    
    This has worked for me, and it's pretty simple to stick with - I wish
    you all luck!!
    
    Patty
1116.8OOYES::WEIERPatty, DTN 381-0877Wed Mar 27 1996 11:176
    
    Oh yeah ... and these days, when I walk down the hall, looking at that
    mirror, I'm happier and happier with what I see (-:  I have a WAIST
    again!! (-:
    
    
1116.9You've been a big helpBASEX::WERNETTEWed Mar 27 1996 12:0523
    Thanks to all the notes I have a plan.  I work in Detroit so I don't
    have access to all of the things mentioned, but I like a lot of the
    ideas and I'm going to use them.
    
    Here's the plan:
    
       1. Get up a little earlier to workout - that is a great idea.
          I never thought of that, but you're right, only one shower
          and no babysitter.  I am stopping on my way home from work
          to buy a step and a step aerobics tape.
    
       2. Weigh, measure and record.  I kind of keep track of what I
          eat, but from now on I'm going to limit my fat intake and
          find out just how much I really do eat.
    
       3. Incorporate Christopher into some of my exercise.  One noter
          suggested offline to bike ride and include Christopher using
          a carrier.  With the warm weather coming, this is a wonderful
          idea.  I need to buy a bike first though.
    
    Thanks again for the ideas.  I really feel motivated now.
    
    Terry  :-)
1116.10more exercise means less sleep required!MPGS::HEALEYKaren Healey, VIIS Group, SHR3Wed Mar 27 1996 12:4540
    
    All these tips are good.  However, there is one thing people missed.
    
    If you exercise you need less sleep.  That helps free up the time
    that you need to fit it into your schedule. 
    
    Before I got pregnant my second time around, I exercised after Lauren
    went to bed at 8PM.  I only did 1/2 hour three nights per week and
    a full hour once on the weekend morning.  On the nights that I 
    exercised, I had more energy leftover to finish my chores after
    exercising.  On the nights that I didn't exercise, I still had
    more energy.  
    
    I prefer aerobics.  I can't stand machines like Nordic Track.  I get
    bored silly!  I used to take Step classes but going to and from the
    gym takes time and I now do the tapes at home.  I schedule my
    aerobics to be the same days every week, no excuses.  
    
    I'm on my way to a 45 pound weight gain with this pregnancy if
    I keep going on the curve I'm on.  My plan for the summer is this...
    as soon as I'm able, walk every evening when my husband gets home.
    I'll take the baby in the stroller and he can have some one on
    one time with Lauren.  After 4-6 weeks, I'll start my aerobics
    a few times per week.  Diet... well, that should be fun.  But I've
    found that all diets amount to the same thing... reduce your
    fat intake.  When I go on a diet, the whole family goes on one.
    If my husband complains about the low fat food... too bad for him.
    I do the grocery shopping and I never buy something that isn't
    on my list unless I shop hungry so I won't buy chips and cookies 
    and junk food.  My plan is, by 12 weeks, when I return to work,
    to be back into my regular clothes.  If I'm not, I'll continue
    to wear stretch pants which I absolutely hate.  I'm not giving in
    and buying another wardrobe!  No way!  Thats giving in, not to
    mention, expensive!
    
    Wish me luck....
    
    Karen
    
    
1116.11My storySEND::OBERTIWed Mar 27 1996 12:5520
    A good book that tells you all about the amount of fat in your diet is 
    
    Corrine T. Netzer's 'The Complete Guide to Food'
    
    It is a paperback that costs around $10.
    
    My story...
    
    I was sick of "dieting". I went to Weight Watchers when my youngest
    turned 6 mos. I did great on the diet but had an awful time on
    maintenance. Gained all of my weight back. Now I am trying to exercise.
    I take aerobics at lunch and if I can't afford an hour, I walk. And on
    my off days I work out on nordic track at home. Sometimes I put one the
    boys' movies on and I work out while we watch it. (Lion King has some
    good workout music.)
    
    I am also trying to write down my fat calories. Some days I do better
    than others. 
    
    Good luck.
1116.12RDVAX::HABERsupercalifragilisticexpialidociousWed Mar 27 1996 13:1520
    I used to use my son as a weight: Lay down on my back, bend my knees,
    and put him on them, and bounce away.  Only worked till he hit 15
    pounds or so, but he loved it -- my thighs did too.
    
    My "baby" is now 8 1/2, so I have no real excuse this time around. 
    I went to a variety of places after my son was born, lost what I needed
    to at great expense, and was only 5 pounds heavier when I got pregnant
    the 2nd time.  I'm now doing WW with marginal success, I know what I'm
    supposed to do, but those chocolate cravings do me in!  I figure it's
    better than doing nothing, and now that the weather is finally
    cooperating I'm walking 15-30 minutes most days at lunchtimes, and
    shorter times on the weekends with the kids.
    
    The key is to just do something, get some exercise, even if it's only
    in from the parking lot -- that was almost the nicest thing about
    working at the Mill in MAynard -- by the time I got in to work I had a
    good 15 minute walk in to my office!  
    
    Good luck!
    sandy
1116.13LJSRV1::BOURQUARDDebWed Mar 27 1996 14:0910
I want to second what Karen said about needing less sleep
when you workout regularly, but I want to add to it a little.

My experience has been that when I first begin exercising,
I need *more* sleep (and I feel far more rested when I wake up).  
But after about 3 weeks, I start to notice that I need
about an hour less per night.  Your timing may very, but 
don't be discouraged if you don't gain that time back right away.

- Deb B.
1116.14this approach won't sell many books...COOKIE::MUNNSdaveWed Mar 27 1996 16:326
My wife had a baby 8 months ago.  After she recovered from her C-section,
she started walking or running 30 minutes every morning.  Three times a
week she plays exercise videos (abs, buns of steel) and works out for 15 
minutes.  She did not worry about diet, the exercise helped her return to
and maintain her pre-baby weight and stay fit.   Simple and effective for
her, maybe it would work for others.
1116.15what's working for meOBSESS::COUGHLINKathy Coughlin-HorvathWed Mar 27 1996 17:4528
    Well I find I don't exercise when it is from home.  I have tapes, a
    bike and weights but day after day I just wouldn't get back into my
    routine.  Pre baby (who is now 2.9 y.o.) I went to the gym from work
    and did aerobics and weights 3 nights a week, also walked on weekends.
    I was on restricted activity my entire pregnancy so abruptly traded 
    that level of activity for the sofa. While pregnant I became readdicted
    to sugar and gained 40 lbs.  After pregnancy I had hip and back
    problems for a year so couldn't exercise.  I did lose all the weight within
    a year though and realize I am very fortunate.  However, after so much
    down time I'm flabby, don't have the energy I used to and I'm still 
    addicted to sugar. I know my body aches and back problems virtually 
    disappear when I stay in shape and I know I NEED to exercise.  But it 
    wasn't until this February that I finally joined a gym.  I go 2 nights 
    during the week at around 8 p.m., occasionally a weekend early morning and 
    use aerobic machines and weights.  For me, seeing other people working
    out, firm bodies, and having a variety of things to use is motivating. I 
    didn't think I would have the energy to do this so late at night because 
    I'm usually tired but faced with the reality that this was my only open
    time, I'm giving it a try.  So far it is great.  I am so psyched.  Two 
    nights a week I have time to myself and two nights my husband does 
    whatever he needs/wants to. My nights I go to the gym, where I read 
    magazines and exercise..what a deal.  In the past I kept my sugar problems 
    down to a dull roar because I didn't want to eat crap when my outer body 
    was healthy. I'm counting on this attitude returning.. any day now 
     
    Kathy
    
    exercise I just
1116.16Walking and smaller portions!CSC32::L_WHITMORESun Mar 31 1996 20:1461
    Boy this note really hit home!  Before I became pregnant with my first
    child, I weighed 120 pounds and wore a size 7. Six years and 3 kids
    later I weighed 162.5 and wore a size 14.  Being overweight and out of
    shape made me very grouchy!  I was so unhappy with the way I looked
    that it made me unhappy in other areas of my life as well.  I stopped
    wearing makeup, I dressed "down", and generally had a "bad attitude"
    about everything.  Looking back I think it even affected the way I
    dealt with my kids - short tempered and angry alot.  Anyway, in January
    I decided to do something about it.  I think that's the first thing you
    have to do - make up your mind that you're going to do something about
    it!  From the beginning, my goal was not just to loose weight.  My
    goal has been to change my lifestyle to a healthier one.  Loosing
    weight is a benefit of a healthier lifestyle!  For the past 6 years,
    with the exception of chasing after kids, I did no regular exercise
    and my eating habits were terrible.  Rarely did I eat fruits or vegis.
    And as a result, my family too was eating poorly.  So, I visited with
    a nutritionist.  She's teaching me how to eat healthy.  To achieve a
    faster weight loss, she set me up on a 1200 calorie a day diet.  It's
    not a strict diet, really, and for the most part I just watch portions,
    and cut way down on fats.  I eat a certain number of servings of
    fruits/vegis/starches/protiens/milk a day - your basic food groups - so
    there's nothing strange about the foods I eat!  And my family eats the
    same things I do, so they are eating better also.  I allow myself quite
    a bit of flexibility on this diet.  I have pizza and a beer twice a
    month!  And a few times I've even plurged on desser (a slice of cake,
    even some candy!)  The key is moderation!  If I have an uncontrollable
    urge for something, like a potato chip, I have a few.  If I don't, I'll
    just keep thinking about it until it drives me nuts!  So I figure, go
    ahead and satisfy the craving and then go on! That's what I do.  I'm
    trying to modify my eating habits gradually to something I can live
    with the rest of my life so I don't want to totally eliminate foods I
    enjoy, but I keep it to a minimum.  
    
    In addition, I walk 4 miles a day (except Monday).  This take about an
    hour.  I'm lucky in that I work the weekend shift and so I have time
    when my husband gets home from work during the week (at 2:30) to go
    for a walk and on the weekends I have time before I go to work.  I
    don;t really like aerobics and tend to get bored with the exercise
    equipment, but I find walking really enjoyable.  It's the only time
    I really have to myself, and it's wonderful.  Of course, the weather
    here in Colorado Springs has been exceptionally mild this winter so
    there haven't been too many days that I couldn;t walk. And, on those
    days I did an exercise video.  I'll probably need to start some type
    of toning exercise eventually, but so far I've been pleased with the
    results.  I have lost 22 pounds and am now wearing a size 10.
    
    For the majority of folks who work a "normal" Monday-Friday daytime
    job, making the time to exercise is probably very difficult.  If you
    have a lunch hour, you might try walking for 45 minutes and then
    eating your lunch (pack a lunch so you don't have to wait in a 
    cafeteria line or go out to get something to eat - that way you'll 
    also be more likely to eat smaller portions - restaurant servings are
    usually WAY to much, and fast-food is high in fat and calories).  Or
    like others suggested try getting up a little but earlier in the
    morning. This would not work for me, however, because I can;t seem
    to get motivated to exercise first thing in the morning!!  Another
    option someone else mentioned is going to a health club that has
    onsite childcare available.
    
    Good luck!  Once you've really made up your mind to get in shape, 
    you'll find that it gets easier to make the time for yourself.
1116.17Time to start is nowWMOIS::PINEAU_CMon Apr 01 1996 15:4525
    RE:.16
    
    I'm in the same boat you were in in January.  I have to get myself 
    in gear and get walking or something.  Like you, I was much smaller 
    when I got married and after both my pregnancies.  I've had a terrible 
    15 months.  
    
    For months I've been justifying my weight gain - illness (that started 
    it), kids, etc.  I would even take notice of all the hollywood stars 
    (woman) that have gained weight (I wasn't the only one).
    
    I'm trying to restart myself and this note has been a help.  I know I
    need to do this for myself.  Like many here, I've been snippy at home,
    hate to look in the mirror, depressed when I go shopping for clothes, 
    etc.
    
    I need to just make time for me and what I need to do for me.  I
    encourage all others that may be in the same boat to do the same.  I've
    noticed that with the nicer weather approaching (in NH), I'm finding it
    harder to make excuses not to get started.  So, I guess that means nows
    the time.
    
    I've enjoyed reading these messages.  I hope soon I'll have a success
    story to tell too.
      
1116.18Weight Watchers at Work -- for those of us who need it....RDVAX::HABERsupercalifragilisticexpialidociousMon Apr 01 1996 17:0153
*************************************************************************

From:	DELNI::MAHONEY "27-Mar-1996 1251" 27-MAR-1996 12:57:08.28
To:	@LKG1SEC,@LKG2SEC
CC:	@WW,MAHONEY
Subj:	Please forward to your groups - Weight Watchers at Work Details/cost            for Informational/sign up meeting on Wednesday, April 3, 1996


        		WEIGHT WATCHERS AT WORK PROGRAM

	 	           MEMORIAL DAY SPECIAL OFFER

	Join between April 15 and Memorial day and receive 12 weeks
	for the price of 10 weeks with a minimum of 15 participants.

		12 Weeks for $120.00   Harvard Health or Pilgrim
				       Members $107.65


	We will be having an informational/sign up meeting on Wednesday
	April 3, 1996 at 12:00PM in the Arlo Guthrie C/R at LKG1-1/E11.
	If you are interested in signing up they will need a commitment
	from you on that day.  As stated above they need at least 15
	participants to run the "At Work Program".

	Payment Options:  Cash, Checks, Visa, Mastercard or Discover
	are accepted.  Payment plans are also available such as split
	payments or split credit card payments.  These arrangements can
	be made with our account representative.

	Refunds are granted only under extenuating circumstances or within
	3 business days of joining the series.  Approval from Director of
	the AT WORK department is needed.

	WHAT CAN YOU EXPECT FROM THE WEIGHT WATCHERS AT WORK PROGRAM?

	*  Convenient, on-site meetings
	*  Support from your company and co-workers
	*  Program geared specifically for the working person
	*  Weekly lectures on work-related issues
	*  A flexible food plan that lets you eat the foods you love
	*  Exercise plans with different levels of participation
	*  Proven success!!

	By participating in the Weight Watchers program, you'll learn how
	to develop new habits that will enable you to lose weight - and
	KEEP IT OFF.

	With Weight Watchers, you're making a lifetime choice for living
	happily and more healthfully.  Get ready to learn how Weight 
	Watchers can help you look and feel better - Just in time for
	SPRING/SUMMER!!

1116.19my hintsSWAM1::GOLDMAN_MAI'm getting verklempt!Tue Apr 02 1996 13:0158
    For those of us who have a hard time plugging a full 30-45 minutes
    together at once...
    
    Recent research shows that you will progress more rapidly in burning
    fat if you:
    
    a) incorporate something like a rider, rower or skier into your routine
    -- this works most of the major muscle groups, and the more of them you
    work at once, the higher you are forcing your metabolic rate.
    
    b) do 10 minutes three times a day or 15 minutes twice a day.  This
    could mean a brisk walk with hand weights during lunch or break, and 15
    minutes on your skier/rider/rower/whatever later at night.  Or 10
    minutes on the rider in the a.m., 10 minutes walking at work, and 10
    more minutes on the rider later in the evening.  
    
    c)  My personal hints  -- don't put your equipment in a hidden place --
    the basement, a room in the back of the house, folded up in the closet,
    whatever.  Leave it where it will "guilt" you into using it.  The
    family room, the living room, whatever.  If you put it away somewhere,
    that's just one more excuse not to work out.  Maybe if the equipment is
    in the basement, it will seem like to much hassle to grab your ten
    minutes while dinner is in the oven or while the baby is taking that
    quick little 20 minute nap.  If it is in a closet and needs to be
    brought out an unfolded, that seems like too much work...etc.
    
    Don't buy clothes that you hope to fit into when you lose all the
    weight/shape up, etc.  They'll only depress you and make you feel
    worse about yourself.  If size "x" (where "x" is the size you want to
    get back into) is too tight today, get size "y" or "z".  Clothes that
    fit will make you feel better about yourself and about your body.  Just
    like it is always easier to find a job when you already have one, it is
    easier to shape up when you feel good about you.
    
    
    ***FOR ALL YOU LADIES WITH A C-SECTION "POOCH" IN THE BELLY***
    
    Try Tony Little's Ab Isolator.  This thing *works*, and it only takes
    about 15 minutes a day, total.  Best of all, it doesn't hurt, not when
    you're using it and not the next day.  None of that pulled-tummy-muscle
    feeling that makes you resist doing it because it impedes your 
    standing/sitting/walking/laughing/coughing, etc.!
    
    The Ab Isolator retails for about $25-30.  I've heard good things about
    the Ab Flex, too, but that one goes for about $55.  I saved the extra
    $30 for new clothes!
    
    My final "personal hint" -- it took me two years to get really tired of
    the baby weight after my first child, and I was upset with myself for
    waiting so long.  It was shortly thereafter (about 6-7 years ago) that
    a "new" report was issued which validated that it takes the average
    woman "up to two years" to fully recover her energy and vitality, skin
    elasticity, and even her illness resistence post=childbirth.  Don't
    feel guilty if that first year to two it just seems too exhausting to
    work out.  It's normal, it's natural, and pushing yourself beyond your
    personal limits could do more harm than good.
    
    M.
1116.20moreSWAM1::GOLDMAN_MAI'm getting verklempt!Tue Apr 02 1996 13:1922
    I just noticed that I didn't explain why breaking your workout into
    10or 15 minute increments works.  The researchers discovered that the
    metabolic push you get from exercise only lasts several hours.  A brisk
    10 minutes on the treadmill/rider/whaterver before work will push 
    your metabolic rate up, and that will last (for instance) until lunch. 
    At lunch, you take a 10 minute power walk with your hand weights.  That
    keeps you burning fat until dinner or a little after.  Then you do
    another 10 minutes before bed, and you burn fat while you sleep.  
    
    I've also heard good things about those thermogenic formula, and will
    keep you posted on whether the one I bought from QVC actually works!
    
    Hugs, kisses and encouragement to all my soulmates from she who also 
    fell off the exercise wagon and is trying to climb back on...but I'm
    sooooooo tired and there just isn't time and there's always something
    else that needs to be done and...hmmmph, Marla -- stick to the Nike
    thing... JUST DO IT!
    
    Regards,
    
    Marla
    
1116.21Joan Greggins tapes...CSLALL::JACQUES_CATrust me, I'm a ratWed Apr 03 1996 09:2835
    Well, all this talk got me started again.   I have various work-out
    and step tapes, but am pretty much dissatisfied with them.  Seems
    there's just a bit I like about each one.   So I'm just going to
    put them all together to form a routine I like best.   
    
    However, there's two that really stick out in my mind as THE BEST.
    Joanie Greggins (sp) has a (hmmmmm....exact title??) Super Stomach
    tape and a separate Super Legs tape.   That stomach tape is a KILLER!
    It isn't long, but so effective!   I think the total time is 12 mins.
    The leg tape is a bit too short, but equally as effective.  It also
    has another segment of high enery aerobics on the end of it.  VERY
    jumpy though and not my style, but good if that's your thing.
    
    I got the stomach tape in a store a couple of years ago, but it is
    still around.   I got the leg tape through the AVON cosmetic catalog.
    Very reasonably priced there.   Out of many tapes I have viewed, any
    of hers I would highly recommend.   They incorporate much of what I've
    learned at the classes at my former health club. 
    
    Doing the two, one after the other (without the aerobics) took me
    about 30 minutes.   Then I did a good 15 or 20 minute workout with
    my hand weights.
    
    My plan, to do the above routine every other day.   The days in between
    I'm putting together my own little step routine to get the aerobic
    work-out.  
    
    Doing the first routine (I call it the calistenic routine) has me
    hurting in all the right places today!   Not an intolerable hurt, but
    enough to know that I worked well.   I particularly like that my hips
    hurt!  :-)
    
    If nothing else, GET THAT STOMACH TAPE!  Nothing else compares in my
    book!   :-)
    							cj *->
1116.22other tape recommendations?LJSRV1::BOURQUARDDebWed Apr 03 1996 11:3115
cj recommended a couple of tapes in .21, but I'm hoping to 
hear additional comments.  I used to really enjoy Jackie
Sorenson's aerobic dancing, but I think she's long gone :-(
Jazzercise is okay, but not something I really fell in love
with.  It seems that the music is really important to me
-- if I enjoy the music, I'll enjoy the movement.  And I'm
more interested in a low impact aerobic workout than spot
toning or calisthenics.  Most of the tapes that I've seen
were low-budget that had original (and boring) music.

Any recommendations?

Thanks!

- Deb B.
1116.23SWAM1::GOLDMAN_MAI'm getting verklempt!Wed Apr 03 1996 11:3412
    cj -
    
    Take care - more recent studies I read/heard during my pregnancy last
    summer "proved" that it isn't supposed to hurt!  If you are working
    till it hurts the next day, you are working too hard, and are actually
    injuring yourself, not improving your muscle/fat ratio!
    
    Or so the exercise physioligists (Denise Austin, Tony Little, Phil
    Tyne, etc.) are saying these days.
    
    M.
    
1116.24CSLALL::JACQUES_CATrust me, I'm a ratWed Apr 03 1996 12:1720
    I kind of expected a response similar to yours, it's why I tried
    to say it was tolerable.  
    
    Keep in mind, I have done NOTHING for two years now.  I would, and
    do, expect some tension/pain in the areas I've worked.   How do you
    feel after shoveling that first snow storm?  Your back aches.  I
    know when I have to be outside raking a trillion leaves every fall,
    areas that are unused to being used that way, ache.   
    
    In my peak condition, when I was competeing heavily in racquetball 
    besides daily workouts,  I would still get sore after a particularly
    tough tournament weekend. 
    
    This is a part of life.  If I couldn't walk today, or were groaning
    with every movement, yes I did too much.  Call me crazy, but I like
    being able to feel that I've done something.  
    
    Just my own point of view, YMMV  (<like that, Patty?  :-) )
    
    							cj *->  
1116.25WRKSYS::MACKAY_EWed Apr 03 1996 13:3419
    
    Hmm, I guess it depends on when it hurts. For me,
    if it hurts then and there, I've probably pulled 
    or injured something or got a cramp; if it hurts 
    the next day, then I'm just out of shape. If it 
    is just plain out-of-shape type of ache, a hot bath
    or shower (preferrably jaccuzzi) plus gentle stretching 
    of the tightened muscle works best for me, it is best 
    done on the same day though - this is how I get through 
    4 or 5 days of tough skiing on vacation. If it is a 
    injury type of ache, I just rest for as long as it 
    takes to heal, I don't take any painkiller since they 
    mask the symptoms of any real problems. I've gotten
    through many years of competitive and recreational
    sports this way, for me, no pain (the next day type) = 
    no fun (didn't try my best)!  
    
    
    Eva
1116.26SUPER::BLACHEKWed Apr 03 1996 14:328
    I'm with Deb on the music.  I have some jazzercise tapes but they
    replace the music with something they don't have to pay the royalties
    for.  It just isn't upbeat or interesting enough to make me want to do
    the tape again.
    
    So, if you have anything with good music, put it in here.
    
    judy
1116.27ELESYS::AEROBICSMPGS::HEALEYKaren Healey, VIIS Group, SHR3Wed Apr 03 1996 15:3718
    
    Call 1-800433-6769 to get a catalog entitled
    "The Complete Guide to Exercise Videos".  Its a free catalog.
    
    I've been getting it for two years and have ordered from it
    in the past.  Actually, I'm placing an order soon if anybody
    wants to split shipping with me.
    
    Anyhow, its a great guide to over 200 exercise videos of various
    categories.  My favorite instructor is Kari Anderson.  I can't
    stand the fluffy ones like Denise Austen.  She is just too
    cutesy and I can't stomach moves called "wiggle".
    
    Also, there is a notes file for aerobics and note #35 has
    200+ topics discussing videos.  See ELESYS::AEROBICS.
    
    Karen
    
1116.28Let's keep motivatedBASEX::WERNETTEThu Apr 04 1996 11:1218
    This is a great note - it would be nice if we could keep
    it going to give each other motivation.  It has been keeping
    me motivated as well as lifting my spirits.  I don't feel
    so alone in the battle of the bulge.  I signed up to a STEP
    REEBOK class.  We've only met once so far, but I love it.
    Could anyone recommend a good step tape so that when the
    class ends in eight weeks I can continue to workout with
    the step?
    
    Also, I am keeping track of everthing I eat.  Boy, what a
    surprise no wonder I haven't lost any weight.  Although I
    eat good food, I have been eating too much.  I didn't 
    realize it until I added up all of the calories.  I am 
    trying to limit my intake.
    
    Thanks for all the tips, they have been great.
    
    Terry
1116.29I like to be a little "sore" (YMMV)OOYES::WEIERPatty, DTN 381-0877Thu Apr 04 1996 12:0244
    
    All right Cindy -- when are you bringing over that stomach tape?!?! 
    12 mins is about long enough for me, and I'd do anything to lose this
    gut!!
    
    I went to a Weight watchers mtg yesterday, to see if I wanted to join
    (new session for ZKO starts next Wed!!).  And in line with what a
    nutritionist told me "You have to eat more to lose weight!"  HUH?!?!?
    ....turns out that I just don't eat at the right TIMES, and it's
    causing me to pretty much be STUCK where I am.
    
    I am NOT hungry in the mornings, and never eat breakfast, occassionally
    have a mid-morning snack, normally skip lunch, and at about 3pm is when
    I start eating (and I stop around midnight (-;).
    
    The PROBLEM is that all morning, my body thinks I'm "starving" so my
    metabolism slows down, the exercise that I do in the am becomes
    meaningless, and I'll NEVER lose weight.  And of course chowing all
    those calories and then hopping into bed is always a bad idea (-:
    
    Interesting point was *You should NEVER exercise on an empty stomach!*
    In light of my "but I'm not hungry!" complaints, they suggested even a
    glass of juice before I exercise to help get the body burning food, so
    that it'll be "in the mood" (the technical term (-;) for burning FAT.
    
    So .... I'm trying to move my midnight snack to 7am - we'll see what
    happens.  And if you've never been to a WW mtg, and are even remotely
    considering it - check it out!!  Everyone was so nice, and it was
    refreshing and motivating to see other people fighting the same
    emotional/psychological battles with food and weight.  
    
    I have a "wimp" tape - very VERY doable, and like CJ, made me "sore" in
    all the right places the next day.  It's put out by Betty Crocker, and
    is called "Exercise and Lose Weight".  It's about 20-30 mins of low
    impact aerobics.  It's the FIRST video I've ever actually made it all
    the way through! (-:  Normally I get bored to tears, or fall down from
    exhaustion - this is a nice medium.  Of course I HAVE reached the
    conclusion that each of my arms and legs operate completely
    independently of each other, and I'll NEVER be graceful (-;  So, I just
    pull the shades, and make sure I'm alone (-:
    
    Keep on trying.....
    
    
1116.30WRKSYS::MACKAY_EThu Apr 04 1996 12:0911
    
    Patty,
    	
    	I am also very uncoordinated when it comes to organized 
    movement, I got very frustrated with aerobics, I could never 
    catch up iwth the instructor, by the time I got my arms in
    control, I lost control of my feet! No, I can't dance either!
    But, I can do sports! Blows my mind...
    
    
    Eva
1116.31OBSESS::COUGHLINKathy Coughlin-HorvathThu Apr 04 1996 14:0846
    
     I like Kathy Smith's basic Yoga video, as far as videos go.  I don't use 
    it often because I prefer to exercise at a gym but when I do use a
    video I use that. Last year I got back into yoga by taking a class and 
    loved it. It was particularly helpful for me because I was still having 
    back and hip problems stemming from pregnancy. The movements are slower
    and you are more in tune with your body, I think.  While the movements
    are slower they are just as intense and powerful and the overall effect
    on your body is just as helpful as other exercises.  But like anything,
    personal preference is always the winner.  Fortunately there are many
    options for us.  
    
    As for when to eat and how the body burns fat, etc. Covert Bailey's
    Fit or Fat book is great and easy to read (there's also a video). After
    reading that I toned down my aerobic activity and learned I didn't
    need to be an aerobic maniac in order to burn fat and you do need some
    food in you when you exercise or else your burning stuff you don't want
    to get rid of.
    
    Several years ago while my husband and I were visiting his family in 
    Europe and eating as they do, we decided to switch our eating habits to 
    have our main meal at lunch.  Because of hypoglycemia I have also been 
    one to eat 6 or so small meals a day the last 15 or so years.  I believe 
    the combination of these two behaviors - eating several small meals but
    having my main volume of food over by 1 p.m. or so - have resulted in 
    my weight not fluctuating.  I was not thin as a child and always 
    had to watch my weight but I really don't any more. Now I watch out for
    what I eat because I don't think too much fat and sugar is good for me
    and if I left all this to my taste buds those are all I would choose. 
    Certainly it is possible my metabolism just changed on its
    own in my late 20's but I really think it is a result of when and
    how I eat, as well as including regular aerobic and weight bearing
    exercises.  I finally got back to the gym 2.5 years after my son was
    born because while not heavy, my body is flabby and the skin is heading 
    south. I also know aerobic activity dramatically helps to keep my
    cholesterol down.  I joined the gym in late February and it took awhile
    to get the routine going but I am now so happy with myself, feel much
    better and am beginning to notice the improvements in my body.  Also,
    I am one who doesn't want to eat as much junk when I am working out.
    Exercising makes me want to eat healthier - more often.
    
    Kathy
    
     
    
      
1116.32PERFOM::WIBECANHarpoon a tomataThu Apr 04 1996 16:536
OK, now what should we dads do to lose the weight we gained while our wives
were pregnant?

:-)

						Brian
1116.33POWDML::AJOHNSTONbeannachdThu Apr 04 1996 17:4711
    well, now that the weather is nice, you'll find that a good walk
    of 40-60 minutes everyday with the kidlet in a snugli does wonders.
    
    as you get acclimated your speed and endurance will go up _and_ the
    weight you are carrying gets greater causing the workout to be
    progressive.
    
    the beauty of this is that it works for mom, dad, siblings, neighbors,
    grandparents ...
    
      Annie
1116.34CNTROL::JENNISONCrown Him with many crownsThu Apr 04 1996 18:028
    
    	For fitting in exercise on a very busy schedule, I've been
    	doing my workouts at lunchtime.  I either go to a very nearby
    	gym, or run (we have showers on site).  It breaks up the day
    	quite well.
    
    	Karen
    
1116.35OOYES::WEIERPatty, DTN 381-0877Fri Apr 05 1996 13:2710
    
    Which always brings up another question .... how do you have TIME at
    lunch???  Assuming you want/need to actually eat something at
    lunchtime, how do you find the time to exercise, shower/dry and get
    back to work, in a reasonable amount of time??  Am I just TOO SLOW in
    the shower part??  It always seemed to me that the exer/shower part
    take about an hour, which leaves no time to eat ....
    
    Thanks!
    
1116.36What I do...WONDER::MAKRIANISPattyFri Apr 05 1996 13:4012
    
    I exercise at lunchtime and can understand your concerns about eating
    lunch. I tend to eat something mid-morning (yogurt, bagel) so I'm not
    starving when I go to work out. I then eat a sandwich (or whatever else
    I've brought, but sandwich is the easiest) when I get back to my desk.
    During this time I tend to catch up on mail or on notesfiles. I also
    will check on my systems that I've got running to make sure there
    aren't any errors happening. I suppose, depending on what your job is,
    this might not work for you, but it does for my. My supervisor also
    works out at lunch so she's very understanding of this routine.
    
    Patty
1116.37STRATA::BARROWSFri Apr 05 1996 20:4415
    
    
    	Hi. I have a little boy, 2 years old. 1st child. I gained 33lbs in
    my pregnancy with him. I barely lost any of it afterwards. I think the
    one main thing why I lost all my weight(and then some) was going back
    to work soon after. He was 8 weeks old and I was back to full time job.
    I also exercised when he was a newborn, vidoes, t.v. programs. 
    	Another reason I lost wieght may be from going back to smoking
    again. I also have been eating fat free foods, yogurt, chips(lowfat),
    fat free icecream(frozen yogurt)...I stayed away from fattening foods.
    			
    
    			That's what did it for me. Unless my age did it
    too.
    		I was 19 when I had him.
1116.38WRKSYS::MACKAY_EMon Apr 08 1996 10:5110
    
    re .35
    
    Patty,
    
    	I used to run during lunch. By the time I was done, I didn't
    feel like eating for an hour or two. I would stop at the cafe, 
    get a salad or some fruit and eat that around 2 pm. 
    
    Eva
1116.39Kathy Smith tape is excellentAKOCOA::NELSONMon Apr 08 1996 15:5523
    KAthy Smith's "Starting Out" workout tape is very good.  I used
    it after my daughter was born -- I was so out of shape I could
    barely watch the tape, never mind work out to it, but I eventually got
    back in the swing of it.  The first half of the tape is a good
    low-impact aerobic workout; the second half is "floor work" --
    concentrating on abs, butt and thighs, done at a nice easy pace.  The
    music is OK, nothing great, but listenable.  
    
    Speaking of music, you can always put on a tape or the radio and dance
    around the house for 10 or 15 minutes, with or without baby!
    
    The other thing I do is walk on my lunch hour.  I've read that if
    you're slender, eat before you walk; if you're overweight, eat after
    you walk; this way, you'll burn off the fat more efficiently.  Don't
    know if that is true or not.  I do watch what I eat; and yes, you do
    have to eat to lose weight -- otherwise, the body thinks it is starving
    and your metabolism slows down accordingly.  
    
    Another thing I keep in mind is, I'm not 25 anymore.  Which is not to
    give myself permission to go to pot.  It's just that the weight packs
    on faster and comes off slower.  Plus, I have had 2 kids and my time/
    money/resources are limited.  So I do the best I can with what I have.
    
1116.40CNTROL::JENNISONCrown Him with many crownsMon Apr 08 1996 17:5115
    
    	Patty,
    
    	It takes me a little over an hour to run and shower at lunchtime.
    
    	I eat my sandwich at my desk afterwards while I work.  I find I
    	am also eating a bit less this way, because I don't usually get
    	to sit still long enough to eat a lot.
    
    	I usually work at least one day of the week with no real lunch
    	break, which I feel balances out the time of the slightly longer
    	lunches.  
    	
    	Karen
    
1116.41For those of us in the Littleton/Acton MA area...RDVAX::HABERsupercalifragilisticexpialidociousTue Apr 09 1996 13:5149
				NEW SESSION
        		WEIGHT WATCHERS AT WORK PROGRAM

			   BEGINS APRIL 22, 1996
	 	         MEMORIAL DAY SPECIAL OFFER

		    LOCATION:  ARLO GUTHRIE C/R  LKG1-1/C11
   				TIME:  12:00PM

	We will be starting a new session of Weight Watchers at Work
	on Monday, April 22nd at Noon.  The meetings will take place 
	weekly on Monday's for 12 weeks.  If you are interested in 
	signing up you will be able to on April 22nd.
	
		12 Weeks for $120.00   Harvard Health or Pilgrim
				       Members $107.65

	Payment Options:  Cash, Checks, Visa, Mastercard or Discover
	are accepted.  Payment plans are also available such as split
	payments or split credit card payments.  These arrangements can
	be made with our account representative.

	Refunds are granted only under extenuating circumstances or within
	3 business days of joining the series.  Approval from Director of
	the AT WORK department is needed.

	WHAT CAN YOU EXPECT FROM THE WEIGHT WATCHERS AT WORK PROGRAM?

	NEW:  "FREEDOM PLAN"  - Ready for release on April 15, 1996
	No more weighing and measuring/eat what you want on the weekends!

	*  Convenient, on-site meetings
	*  Support from your company and co-workers
	*  Program geared specifically for the working person
	*  Weekly lectures on work-related issues
	*  A flexible food plan that lets you eat the foods you love
	*  Excercise plans with different levels of participation
	*  Proven success!!

	By participating in the Weight Watchers program, you'll learn how
	to develop new habits that will enable you to lose weight - and
	KEEP IT OFF.

	With Weight Watchers, you're making a lifetime choice for living
	happily and more healthfully.  Get ready to learn how Weight 
	Watchers can help you look and feel better - Just in time for
	SPRING/SUMMER!!

1116.428)STRATA::BARROWSThu Apr 11 1996 12:189
    
    
    
    	You all need to remember that losong wieght os NOT to be done by
    eating less or not eating at all. That's very bad for your body! My
    friend did that and she lost 60 lbs....yet 1 month later she gained 80!
    	Be healthy and active, and see your doctor first.
    
    			8)
1116.43Yes, eat less!OBSESS::COUGHLINKathy Coughlin-HorvathThu Apr 11 1996 15:3523
    
    > You all need to remember that losing weight is NOT to be done by
    > eating less or not eating at all.
    
    I think that for a lot of people they DO need to eat less in order
    to lose weight. AND they need to learn to choose different foods, and/
    or cook differently.  For most people to lose weight successfully, I think,
    is to learn to live differently and that includes food choices and volume, 
    as well as being active. This doesn't mean one needs to starve oneself which
    is very unhealthy. 
    
    I've also known people who lost large amounts of weight only to regain
    it quickly.  Most of those I've known, have regained because of image/
    self-esteem problems or because they went on a diet for a specific
    period of time without thinking of the loss need as a whole life change.  
    Many times people lose the weight like Oprah had done over the years.  
    The wonderful example Oprah presents is that she finally did it the right 
    way, in my opinion - less food, healthy low fat eating, lots of exercise 
    and working on her mind to partner with her body. She made a whole life
    change.
    
    
    Kathy
1116.44STRATA::BARROWSFri Apr 12 1996 18:523
    
    
    	I agree. 8)
1116.45Make it a lifestyle changeNQOS01::nqsrv434.nqo.dec.com::Cindy RichardsonAre we there yet?Fri Apr 26 1996 15:4666
I am also a mother of 3 (I think there's a lot of us out there now!).  My 
youngest is 15 months now.  I was bound and determined to get back into my 
pre-prenancy wardrobe (mostly because I spend way too much money on clothes 
and my husband would kill me if they all had to be replaced...)

What has worked for my very busy life:

1.  I NEVER weigh myself.  I could care less how much I weigh.  My goal has 
always been to feel good.  If my clothes are too tight and uncomfortable, I 
DON'T feel good.  If I've eaten an entire chocolate bar (you know - the really 
big ones), I don't either.  If I've not exercised for 3 days or more, I also 
don't feel good.  I guess I've good an inherent guilt complex that pretty much 
keeps me straight.

2.  I work hard to set a good example for my children.  My oldest 2 (8 and 6) 
are both girls and I don't want them to ever be overly concerned about their 
"weight" - I think that is why a lot of teenage girls have such a tough time. 
I DO however, want them to be healthy and active.  This means eating "right" 
and getting lots of exercise.  But - just because that's what I want them to 
do, that doesn't mean that's what they do.  They would still rather sit in 
front of the TV instead of ride their bike with me while I run.  I don't make 
them go, I just don't let them watch TV - sometimes they go, sometimes they 
prefer to stay at home and read.

3.  As for the little guy - I started him out early in a jog stroller.  They 
finally came down to my price (about 99.00 at Target) and he has loved it 
since he was about 5-6 months old.  I talk to him and we pass things back and 
forth so it gives us some "one-on-one" time.

4.  Weights -weights - weights.  I found this helped tremendously both in 
giving me more energy for cardiovscular training as well as burning the fat 
and feeling "stronger" (both literally and figuratively).  I am not near as 
disciplined in the weight training as I should be but I also try not to beat 
myself up about it.

5.  Crosstrain.  This helps beat the boredom.  I bike, run, do step aerobics, 
and lift weights 5-6 times/week - EVERY WEEK.  With the variety, I never get 
bored (or is it the 3 kids, full time job and husband that keep me from 
getting "bored").

6.  Accept my body.  I will never be a Kim Alexis, Christy Brinkley, or 
whoever else all the magazines try to make us set our sites on.  I am 37 years 
old, I have 3 kids, I wear a size 4 and I feel good about myself.  O.K. - so I 
wish my stomach was flat as a board and sculptured like those ones in the 
Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition (it would also be nice to be "built" like 
those women) but it just ain't gonna happen.  This is the body God gave me and 
I think I'm doing a pretty good job taking care of it.

7.  I give LOTs and LOTs of credit to a very supportive husband.  He never 
gives me grief about watching the kids when I want to go exercise.  He also 
doesn't care about a meal on the table every night.  We have learned to be 
very flexible with meals and nobody complains.  We run together (all 5 of us 
with bikes and jog stroller) whenever possible.  I also have a bike seat on my 
bike and Dylan loves this (except he ALWAYS falls asleep and his helmet hits 
me in the back - but I can very happily "put up" with that)

This works for us.  Hopefully I will live a long healthy life and see my 
youngest have grandchildren - that's really not up to me to decide but I do 
plan on doing my part in staying as healthy as possible.  I look at it as a 
lifestyle as opposed to a goal so it has to be something I can live with for a 
long, long time.

Best of luck to all...

 
1116.46How is everyone doing?BASEX::WERNETTEThu May 02 1996 11:148
    Okay - it's been over a month since I wrote the basenote.
    How is everyone doing?  I found this note very motivating.
    Anyone who would like to share their success or ask for
    a pep talk is welcome to enter their note.
    
    Thanks again to all who entered a note.
    
    Terry
1116.47No more wind in these sails ...OOYES::WEIERPatty, DTN 381-0877Thu May 02 1996 14:1817
    
    I need a pep talk!!!!
    
    I went to my Drs (because I'm diabetic), and she totally negated all my
    efforts, said that what I weigh is really incidental, and I "look
    fine".  For the first time in my life I was exercising regularly, and 
    quite proud of myself, and had expected that the Doc would say ANYTHING
    to the effect of "Good for you!".  She just totally deflated my
    balloon, and I'm back to not really caring what I look like.  Sigh. )-:
    
    And I was so *CLOSE* to my goals too!!!! 
    
    Now I'm almost back to where I started from ....
    
    Is anyone else sticking with it?  HOW?!?!?  How do you "remove" people
    who are destructive to the overall effort?
    
1116.4895 reasons to exercise!MPGS::HEALEYKaren Healey, VIIS Group, SHR3Fri May 03 1996 09:20184
    
    
    
    	How is this for a pep-talk!  I got this in the mail
    	this morning.
    
    	BTW, your doctor is probably move overweight than you
    	are and many people who have more weight to lose will
    	tell you you look just fine.  When I have to lose weight,
    	I usually keep my mouth shut. 
    
    	Karen
    
    	So... read the following!  Exercise is important for MANY
    	reasons... not just for weight loss!
    
    
    
It has often been said that "it is far better 
and easier to prevent a problem than to treat one."
When it comes to your health, nothing could be 
closer to the truth. Fortunately, the three
primary steps you can take to prevent a health 
problem have already been identified: avoid
undue risk factors (e.g., smoking, excessive a
lcohol, unsafe sex, recreational drugs, etc.), eat
sensibly (i.e., consume a nutritionally sound diet 
-- refer to the USDA's food pyramid) and
exercise regularly (i.e., adhere to the American
College of Sports Medicine's guidelines for exercise 
prescription).

Of these three factors, many individuals would contend 
that, for whatever reason, the need to
exercise has received the least amount of acceptance 
by the American public. What many
Americans have obviously either discounted or
failed to fully understand is that exercise
offers every individual an array of terrific 
health-related benefits. At least 95 very positive
reasons exist concerning why you should exercise 
regularly in 1995. Exercise:

1. Improves the functioning of your immune system.
2. Helps you to lose weight -- especially fat weight.
3. Improves the likelihood of your survival from a  
   myocardial infarction (heart attack).
4. Improves your body posture.
5. Reduces your risk of heart disease.
6. Improves your body's ability to use fat for energy 
   during physical activity.
7. Helps the body resist upper-respiratory tract infections.
8. Helps relieve the pain of tension headaches -- 
   perhaps the most common type of headache.
9. Increases your maximal oxygen uptake (VO2max -- 
   perhaps the best measure of your physical working capacity).
10. Increases your level of muscle strength.
11. Helps you to preserve lean body tissue.
12. Reduces your risk of developing hypertension (high 
    blood pressure).
13. Increases the density and breaking strength of your 
    ligaments and tendons.
14. Improves your coronary (heart) circulation.
16. Reduces your circulating levels of triglycerides.
17. Helps you to maintain your weight loss -- unlike dieting, alone.
18. Helps improve short-term memory in older individuals.
19. Reduces your risk of developing Type II 
    (non-insulin-dependent) diabetes.
20. Helps relieve many of the common discomforts of 
    pregnancy (e.g., backache, heartburn, constipation, etc.).
21. Reduces your level of anxiety.
22. Helps control blood pressure in hypertensives.
23. Increases your level of muscle endurance.
24. Reduces your vulnerability to various cardiac 
    dysrhythmias (abnormal heart rhythms).
25. Increases the density and breaking strength of your bones.
26. Assists you in your efforts to stop smoking.
27. Helps to boost creativity.
28. Lowers your resting heart rate.
29. Slows the rate of joint degeneration if you suffer 
    from osteoarthritis.
30. Helps you overcome jet lag.
31. Enhances your sexual desire,y before a significant 
    amount of lactic acid builds up.
33. Helps you to incur fewer medical and health-care expenses.
34. Improves your ability to recover from physical exertion.
35. Increases your ability to supply blood flow to your 
    skin for cooling.
36. Increases the diffusion capacity of your lungs, enhancing 
    the exchange of oxygen from yourlungs to your blood.
37. Improves your heat tolerance.
38. Provides you with protection against injury.
39. Reduces the viscosity of your blood.
40. Increases the thickness of the cartilage in your joints.
41. Helps you to more effectively manage stress.
42. Helps you sleep easier and better.
43. Helps you to maintain your resting metabolic rate.
44. Reduces your risk of developing colon cancer.
45. Reduces your risk of developing breast cancer.
46. Reduces your risk of developing prostate cancer.
47. Expands your blood plasma volume.
48. Helps to relieve constipation.
49. Reduces your risk of having a stroke.
50. Helps to alleviate depression.
51. Helps you maintain proper muscle balance.
52. Increases your ability to adapt to cold environments.
53. Helps you to combat substance abuse.
54. Helps to alleviate certain menstrual symptoms.
55. Lowers your heart-rate response to submaximal physical exertion.
56. Helps alleviate low-back pain.
57. Helps reduce the amount of insulin required to control your blood 
    sugar level if you are a Type I (insulin-dependent) diabetic.
58. Improves your mental alertness.
59. Improves your respiratory muscle strength and muscle endurance -- 
    particularly important for asthmatics.
60. Reduces the rate and severity of medical complications 
    associated with hypertension.
61. Helps you to burn excess calories.
62. Increases your cardiac reserve.
63. Improves your physical appearance.
64. Increases your tissues' responsiveness to the actions 
    of insulin (i.e., improves tissue sensitivity for insulin), 
    helping you to better control your blood sugar -- 
    particularly if you are a Type II diabetic.
65. Increases your stroke volume (the amount of blood the 
    heart pumps with each beat).
66. Improves your self-esteem.
67. Reduces your susceptibility to coronary thrombosis 
    (a clot in an artery that supplies the heart with blood).
68. Helps you to relax.
69. Offsets some of the negative side-effects of certain 
    antihypertensive drugs.
70. Improves mental cognition -- a short-term effect only.
71. Maintains or improves your level of joint flexibility.
72. Allows you to consume greater quantities of food and 
    still maintain caloric balance.
73. Helps prevent and relieve the stresses that cause carpal 
    tunnel syndrome.
74. Protects against "creeping obesity" (the slow, 
    but steady weight gain that occurs as you age).
75. Makes your heart a more efficient pump.
76. Increases your productivity at work.
77. Reduces your likelihood of developing low-back problems.
78. Improves your balance and coordination.
79. Improves your glucose tolerance.
80. Gives you more energy and vigor to meet the demands 
    of your daily life, and provides you with a reserve to meet 
    the demands of unexpected emergencies.
81. Decreases (by 20-30 percent) your need for antihypertensive 
    medication, if you are a hypertensive.
82. Helps to retard bone loss as you age, thereby reducing 
    your risk of developing osteoporosis.
83. Helps to relieve and prevent "migraine headache attacks."
84. Reduces your risk of endometriosis (a common cause of 
    infertility).
85. Reduces your level of abdominal obesity -- a significant 
    health risk factor.
86. Helps decrease your appetite -- a short-term effect only.
87. Improves your pain tolerance and mood, if you suffer 
    from osteoarthritis.
88. Reduces work days missed due to illness.
89. Enhances your muscles' ability to extract oxygen 
    from your blood.
90. Helps you to maintain an independent lifestyle.
91. Improves your general mood state.
92. Improves your athletic performance.
93. Helps to increase your overall health awareness.
94. Reduces your risk of gastrointestinal bleeding.
95. Improves your overall quality of life.

As you can see from this list of health-related exercise
benefits, exercise can have a
substantial impact in helping you avoid becoming a 
negative statistic in the ongoing battle for
personal wellness. In the litany of self-help 
advice books and articles that currently
proliferate the marketplace, one of the most common 
themes to individuals who perceive they
are confronted with an insurmountable problem is 
to "look for a better way."  When it comes
to your health, the better way has already been 
identified: exercise regularly. Without
question, exercise is medicine ... preventive medicine.

1116.49WRKSYS::MACKAY_EFri May 03 1996 10:0836
    
    Patty,
    
    	I don't talk about sports and workouts with people who 
    are not into it. I feel much better overall (mentally and 
    physcially) when I am active. I was an athletic in my teens
    and I didn't do anything in my early 20's because I was too 
    busy with work/baby/all. Even though I never had a big problem
    with weight, I wasn't a happy camper during those sedate years.
    I didn't realize that until afterwards, until I got back into
    running and sports in my late 20's. (Oh my gosh, no wonder I 
    felt like sh*t all those years!). People who was never active do 
    not understand how good they can feel about *life* when their body 
    is in good condition, they think working out has only to do with 
    losing weight, since weight is such a "buzz thing" in our society 
    now. So now, I stay active to feel good, I do it to take care of 
    myself (and others around me by not being a b*tch!). Most doctors 
    in this country are not good at preventions, they still don't get 
    the mind and body connection concept (it is not a hoax, since other
    cultures swear by it!).
    
    	So, think about how good Patty feels about herself. Forget
    the doctor's discouragement - she has no clue. People will always
    offer opinion and advice, but blind men can't give good directions!
    Think about how much healthier Patty is - better circulation, better 
    immune system, stronger heart and lungs, better moods, stronger bones 
    (to prevent osteroporousis sp?), stronger muscles (prevent injuries), 
    better qualilty of life, etc. Think of it as a maintenance routine, like
    brushing your teeth. 
    
    	Keep it up, Patty, we all have set backs once in a while. But if
    you stick to, you'll thank yourself in the future.
    
    
    
    Eva                                              
1116.50MKOTS3::OBRIEN_JYabba Dabba DOOFri May 03 1996 10:112
    See Note 648.2 Infants Miracle Diet :)
    
1116.51Keep moving forwardBASEX::WERNETTEFri May 03 1996 10:3511
    Hi Patty,
    
    I started this note because I am unfit, but remember how great
    it feels to be fit.  When I was exercising regularly and 
    maintaining a healthy weight I had lots of energy.  I was
    more confident and overall happier.  Stay with your program.
    Sometimes you don't realize what an impact eating well and
    exercising have until you stop doing it.  Keep it up.
    
    Good luck,
    Terry