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Conference moira::parenting

Title:Parenting
Notice:Previous PARENTING version at MOIRA::PARENTING_V3
Moderator:GEMEVN::FAIMANY
Created:Thu Apr 09 1992
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1292
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1091.0. "Child Guidance Program" by TNPUBS::POMEROY () Thu Feb 01 1996 12:53

    Does anyone know anything about The United Educators Child
    Guidance Program?
    
    The woman came to our house the other night, gave us the
    details on the program, etc.
    
    We would get the following:
    
    12 volume "My book House"
     "Listen & Learn" Phonics program
     " World Play" Phonics
     "Educational Adventures" (can't remember how many books in this set)
    2 Volume Parent Guide
    20 VOlume Encyclopedia
    4 volume Child Horizons
    2 volume Distionary
    4 volume Health encyclopedia
    
    For $1599...  THis can be paid off over 10 years or just under 3 years.
    
    We DID buy it, but I'm sort of having second thoughts.  I'm thinking
    with all the information on the internet and eveyrthing being done
    on computers these days... is it really worth it to buy all these
    books?
    
    On the other hand, we have 2 older children that may have to do book
    reports at the same time.. we only have ONE computer!
    
    The books range in age from Nursery Rhymes up to Young Adult.  As
    many of you know, we have 4 kids.  11, 9, 2, and almost 3 months!
    
    We're also VERY busy with 4 kids now!  I know that'll change when
    as the baby gets older, things will get a little easier.
    
    I guess what I'm looking for is opinions on whether or not to really
    buy these books or not.  I think it'll be like 40 books or something.
    
    Oh, P.S.  This is the program that has been endorsed by Barbara Bush.
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1091.1STRATA::BARROWSThu Feb 01 1996 13:134
    
    
    
    	honestly, I would never pay that much money for 40 books.
1091.2Here's my thoughtsGRANDE::HEDERSTEDTLisa...Thu Feb 01 1996 13:2724

	Here's two thoughts on this:
	
	We bought the set last week for our child (4 months).  One
	of the things that the representative seemed to stress (in my
	mind, anyways) was you have to make a time investment to work
	with these "tools" in order for them to work.  It is more than
	just a set of books, it has tapes for helping to learn ending
	sounds and other phonics, etc.  I already spend time with Anders
	(my son) to read so I felt this would be a good investment for
	us as I want to encourage the reading.

	My SIL bought the set for her children (not sure when) and 
	thinks it was a great waste of money.  She would not recommend
	this program to anyone.  Both her children (5 and 2) do not
	read or like books.

	I guess my bottom line is: can you take the time to spend with
	your children "home teaching" the things this set has.  If not,
	then I wouldn't suggest buying it.

	Lisa...

1091.3NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Thu Feb 01 1996 13:303
re .2:

If your SIL thinks it was a waste of money, why didn't you buy it from her?
1091.4I never thought of it.GRANDE::HEDERSTEDTLisa...Thu Feb 01 1996 13:329
>>If your SIL thinks it was a waste of money, why didn't you buy it from her?

Because I had already bought the set from CG and knowing my SIL she probably
threw it out anyways!  My husband doesn't even want to tell them that we
bought it (he only mentioned that we were talking to the CG representative
about it)

Lisa...
1091.5CSC32::P_SOGet those shoes off your head!Fri Feb 02 1996 08:1316
    
    Just a word of warning about buying encyclopedias for young children.
    Remember that a large amount of the information in the encyclopedia
    will be out of date by the time your young child will be old enough
    to do reports.  I bought an encyclopedia set in 1988 and now regret
    it (although I love reference books and often read them for fun), now
    that Nathan is old enough to do a report about Jupiter, a lot of the
    info in the encyclopedia is wrong.
    
    We've decided to get Compton's Interactive Encyclopedia on CDrom
    and it has been wonderful and a significant cost savings over
    a set of books.  We will probably upgrade it every 2 or 3 years
    to keep the info current.
    
    Good luck with your decision,
    Pam
1091.6My thoughts and Experience with Home Ency.USCTR1::MCGINNISFri Feb 02 1996 10:2938
    We had a sales rep from Grolier over once to discuss the British
    Britaina (sp?) encyclopedia sets.  Now when I was a kid, I remember my
    parents had this set. The information was a bit out of date then. 
    
    Last November the set was going for about
    $3,000.  When I asked 'how often is the data updated?' the answer was
    every 25 years but we update/rewrite the entire volume, but you have the 
    option to buy the yearly volume "book" (addendums) to keep your set 
    current (at an additional yearly cost of course) and you could only get 
    the past 5 years previous annual updates (addendums).  When analyzing the 
    publish date of their last 'updated SET version' I realized they were 
    trying to sell me the same set my parents had 20 years ago and if I 
    wanted to buy the past 5 years yearly volume book I could.  
    
    My questions were:	What about the 15 years gap of annual updates,
    			isn't that history I would want my kids to learn?
    
    			Do I really want to pay for books on an installment
    			set up like a mortgage?
    
    			How much do the books really cost?  Can I get a
    			similar reference set cheaper?  After-all this 
    			person was making a *living* by coming to my home to 
    			sell me reference material.  *hefty commision was a 
    			sure bet*.
    
    I chose not to buy.  When my kids are old enough I'll try the local
    Library, they tend to keep up with the must current reference material.
    
    I do have to admit, the books 'looked' real nice in the bookcase when I 
    was growing up.
    
    Just a thought.
    
    Joyce
    
    
    
1091.7Decided not to buyTNPUBS::POMEROYFri Feb 02 1996 11:4411
    Thanks for all the responses.
    
    We've decided NOT to buy this set.  The biggest thing is the
    cost.  We have a lot of the same material available to us in
    the libraries.  Why spend the money?  It also seems like too
    much money, if you ask me.
    
    Thanks again,
    
    Peggy
    
1091.8Hey, what's that thing on the TOP of a turkey's head? Look it up!OOYES::WEIERPatty, DTN 381-0877Fri Feb 02 1996 13:4531
    Well, a little late, but if you were going more to have "reference
    materials" of SOME sort on hand, you could try the approach I used (and
    yes, they look nice in the bookcase!) ... through the classifieds in
    DEC, I bought a full set of Encyclopedia Brittanica and the Brittanica
    Jr for about $100.00.  They are MANY years old (15+?), but we've found
    them to be INCREDIBLY useful!!  We used them just a week ago to find
    out how old Houdini was when he got married, for a report my older son
    was doing (and the info wasn't in any of the 3 Houdini-biography books
    he had).  Also, we used it last week to confirm that Pluto is *NOT* the
    planet furthest from the sun! (Ha!  Did you know that?!?)  My 7 yr old
    was thrilled he won THAT bet! (-;
    
    We've used them to look up all SORTS of things, and they have oodles of
    "static" information in them.  I'm sure it has all they'll ever write
    about the world wars, tons about plants/animals, and enough about the
    solar system to get the gist of things.
    
    Obviously world maps and current history is a joke, but it's also
    interesting because if the kids DO do something on current geography,
    they'll have some of the past as a comparison.
    
    They're too young to use it (and Brittanica's one of the more
    complicated TO use), but it's mostly for me, and for $100.00, it was
    well worth the investment.
    
    So, if you just want SOMEthing to reference, buy a used set, and use
    the library for "updated" information.  It'll save you a FEW trips, I'm
    sure! (you may even check with the library, what they do with their old
    sets...)
    
    Patty
1091.9buy a multimedia pcWMOIS::PINEAU_CFri Feb 02 1996 16:3114
    If you're going to spend 1500.00 or 3000.00 on reference books, I'd
    save the money and purchase a multimedia pc with the reference CDROMS. 
    We just bought our second pc (the first 3 years ago).  This pc has the
    jr and full version encyclopedias.  This services my 7, 17 and 19 year
    olds.  I also have a 3yr old that uses the older pc with the preschool
    learning games and such.  But he will migrate to the new pc too.  
    
    For me, this is money well spent.  We have a terrific library in town
    and now a great library on line at home.  I'll also be hitting the net
    from home and open the kids up to the many appropriate sites on the
    internet and commercial site (like AOL).
    
    Chris