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Conference moira::parenting

Title:Parenting
Notice:Previous PARENTING version at MOIRA::PARENTING_V3
Moderator:GEMEVN::FAIMANY
Created:Thu Apr 09 1992
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1292
Total number of notes:34837

926.0. "NO HONEY??? WHY NOT???" by MTWASH::CLEMENT () Mon Mar 27 1995 09:24

    I know when I went to our childbirth classes that the dietition(sp?)
    said "no honey for babies" I am sorry to say the reason for this has
    slipped my mind and a friend of mine doesn't believe me and keeps
    giving it to her son. Please jog my memory with the reason for this
    and up until what age should they not be given honey....
    
                                      Thank you, Mary
    p.s.I know this may sound naive but what about a nursing mother
        can she have honey or is it passed to the child??
    I have a baby girl, 4 months next week, and I am nursing her..
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926.1NETCAD::FLOWERSHub Products Engineering; DanMon Mar 27 1995 09:428
funny, my wife was just looking this up an a couple of the books we have...

One said to wait till 8 months, the other book said wait till 1 year.
(No mention of nursing; or at least my wife didn't mention it to me...)

I didn't think of asking her 'why?'.  But now you've got me curious...

Dan
926.2BIGQ::MARCHANDMon Mar 27 1995 09:476
    
       I'm not 100% sure, but I recall something about the lungs. There's
    pollen in honey. If there's allergies or ashma these things can be
    triggered, or even encouraged.  
    
        Rosie
926.3CSC32::P_SOGet those shoes off your head!Mon Mar 27 1995 09:487
    Honey contains a bacteria that can cause food poisoning to
    young infants.
    
    I think the the jist of what I was told.  I'm sure others
    will have more info though.
    
    Pam
926.4botulism?VIVE::STOLICNYMon Mar 27 1995 09:488
    Doesn't it have something to do with the fact that honey is not
    pasteurized?   I believe that there's potentially some sort of
    bacteria that an infant can't handle and/or the potential that
    an infant can get botulism.....sorry I don't have concrete 
    facts..
    
    
    cj/
926.5CSC32::M_EVANSproud counter-culture McGovernikMon Mar 27 1995 10:087
    cj is right, there is the potential of a form of botulism poinsoning in
    infants and the immune-system impaired from eating unpasturized honey. 
    This isn't a problem once the baby is over a year, (unless of course
    there is something else impairing the immune system, such as
    chemotherapy, HIV, or choronic infections of one sort or another.  
    
    meg
926.6thanksMTWASH::CLEMENTMon Mar 27 1995 12:325
    well, 
        Thank you for the information so far...but is there any info on the
    nursing part?? I would think that it is safe but one never knows....
    
                                                                     Mary
926.7CSC32::M_EVANSproud counter-culture McGovernikMon Mar 27 1995 12:4510
    Hi Mary,
    
    I missed the second part of your question.
    
    Honey shouldn't be a problem for you eating it while nursing your
    child.  The spores that can produce botulism poisoning are a problem in
    an undeveloped digestive tract, they are not passed on through your milk, 
    as your older digestive tract will do away with them.
    
    meg
926.8BotulismSAPPHO::DUBOISAnother day, another doctorMon Mar 27 1995 14:476
You probably don't need my additional affirmation, but since so many people
didn't know, I thought I would add that what Meg has written about botulism
with honey is correct.  After a year old, the baby's digestive system
is able to handle the honey so it is no longer dangerous to him/her.

   Carol, who heard this from *several* doctors  :-)
926.9honey grahams...CDROM::BLACHEKTue Mar 28 1995 11:046
    I knew that honey was a no no and have avoided anything with it for
    my kids.  I recently found out that my daycare gives the babies
    graham crackers with honey.  Does the processing/baking of the 
    crackers remove the risk of the honey?
    
    judy
926.10honey grahams ok!MPGS::HEALEYKaren Healey, VIIS Group, SHR3Tue Mar 28 1995 11:145
    
    I asked our pediatrician about honey graham crackers.  Not a problem.
    It is just honey FLAVOR, not real honey.
    
    Karen
926.11CDROM::BLACHEKTue Mar 28 1995 14:445
    
    Thanks.  I keep meaning to call mine to ask, and just never remembered
    until I saw this note.
    
    judy
926.12BLAKFT::HEADLEYTue Mar 28 1995 16:034
Just FYI, the "no honey" rule applies to the elderly as well.  Sometime their
digestive tract cannot handle the botulism bacteria either.


926.13UHUH::BNELSONTue Mar 28 1995 21:366
    The honey is ok if it is baked, as in muffins or whatever, so I think
    that would take care of commercially available baked goods also.  It is
    just unprocessed honey which can cause this particular form of
    botulism.
    
    Beryl