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Conference moira::parenting

Title:Parenting
Notice:Previous PARENTING version at MOIRA::PARENTING_V3
Moderator:GEMEVN::FAIMANY
Created:Thu Apr 09 1992
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1292
Total number of notes:34837

854.0. "Introvert behaviour" by PLAYER::HAST (Marc Hast (SI-C Brussels) @BRO) Wed Nov 16 1994 07:44

More and more I notice that my oldest son Steven, 7 years old, is not playing
with other kids. At the school yard, he is just watching the other children
playing, and even if someone of his class is asking him to play with them, he
refuses. 

I know since long that he had problems with other children, the reason being,
I think, is that he was always among adults when he was younger (pre-school
time). I still notice that he is much more open to other adults than to other
kids. Also, and that has to do with it as well I think, he had always problems
to speak out his own ideas and thoughts.

He has one younger brother of 4 years old, and with him he can play but then
he is patronizing him. But that is quite normal, isn't it ?

At home he can play for hours withoput being a nuissance to others, especially
with LEGO building blocks.

At this stage I think that he is very introvert and certainly he is not looking
for more contact with children of his age (or even younger or older). I would
like to take some actions to cahnge that behaviour if possible.

How should I treat a boy like this ?
How can I bring him some interest for other children and for playing with other
children.

Since 2 months he is now following after-school music education and Karate,
just to let him be more among other children. However I don't see any
difference. Even in these new environments, he is just on its own again.

Am I too much demanding ? What should I try to force him to do ? Are there
maybe toys and/or games that I should look after ? Should I avoid something in
order not too stress him too much ... Any help is welcome. 

Moderators, if this question does not belong here, please tell me and move it
accordingly. If there is already another note discussing that matter, then I
welcome any pointer.

Note: I have scanned the keywords and especially the keywords behavior_problems
      and behaviour_problems, but with no success.

Thanks,
Marc
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854.1Let him be who he is - even if it's differentCLOUD9::WEIERPatty, DTN 381-0877Wed Nov 16 1994 11:4138
    Marc,
    
    I vote to "leave him be".  When I was younger, I was a 'horrible'
    introvert.  I wouldn't do ANYTHING with any other kids, and sometimes
    this even included my own brother/sisters.  I only wanted to join in "a
    little bit", and in general was really fine "just watching", and would
    have been much happier if I were left alone.  BUT, I was often 'forced'
    to join in, and try to be something that I wasn't.  THAT is what I
    hated.  I didn't used to like to swim in our large kiddie-pool, but
    they'd make me get in anyway.  There's lots of pictures of me standing
    in the corner of the pool, trying not to get soaked, while everyone
    else was splashing around having fun.  What my parents never understood
    was that I was content to just sit on the grass and watch, and get the
    ball when they through it out or whatever.  What made me feel weird was
    when it was clear to me that I wasn't behaving the way my parents
    thought I ought to.
    
    I was very much a loner, and am still very independent, and I'm much
    more comfortable that way.  I like to 'watch' people, as opposed to
    really participate a lot.  And I really don't "mind".  Everyone used to
    feel bad for me for not "joining in", and it was their feeling bad that
    hurt, not the fact that I didn't participate.
    
    Try to focus on "individual" activities.  For example, I was on track. 
    This was great because I was part of a "team", but when I ran, I ran by
    myself, and was completely independent of anyone else.  Not like
    volleyball(or something) where if you mess up, you feel bad to the
    others.  I ran for myself, against myself.  If I did well, that was
    great.  If I had an off-day, I really only had myself to 'apologize'
    too.  It did have some impact on the whole meet, but not much.  Other
    sports that focus on the individual more include karate, gymnastics,
    swimming, track & field events - those kind of things.
    
    Oh - and I always preferred the company of adults - kids can be
    downright MEAN!!!
    
    Good luck!
    
854.2Playing with other childrenSAPPHO::DUBOISTrust in God, but tie your camelWed Nov 16 1994 11:4519
Marc, have you spoken with his teacher about it?  Perhaps the teacher can
help your son get involved with other kids.

We just moved across the country, and our normally extroverted boy (age 6) was
suddenly alone.  He had left all of his friends behind, and in his new
environments he was playing alone most of the time.  His teacher noticed
this, too, and over time she was able to get him happily involved with
other children.

At home we've been trying to introduce him to the neighborhood kids, and to
invite kids over to the house.  When a child visits him, he's more likely
to play with the child (and he's in a familiar environment - a subtle power
thing, so that may help).

I hope this helps you, Marc.  There's probably other advice that other parents
of introverted children can offer you.  Have you checked the "shy" topic
that was recently started, too?

     Carol
854.3SAPPHO::DUBOISTrust in God, but tie your camelWed Nov 16 1994 11:497
I just read Patty's note and wanted to comment.  My son *likes* to play with
other children, and is normally extroverted (as I mentioned).  Although I've
always been an extrovert, and so never used to understand any other behaviour,
your child may be more like what Patty talks about.  Maybe you can ask him
what *he* prefers.

     Carol
854.4Possibly SimilarNITMOI::ARMSTRONGWed Nov 16 1994 15:0349
>       <<< Note 854.0 by PLAYER::HAST "Marc Hast (SI-C Brussels) @BRO" >>>
>                            -< Introvert behaviour >-

Can you be more specific about the behaviour?

Our son, when younger, didn't seen at all introverted.  By that
I mean he played well with other kids.  He went to a pre-school
where he was one of the 'new kids', not the youngest, and he didn't
have a clue as to how to 'join in' to the group.  I think the group
of kids there had known eachother for some years, and they excluded him.

He tried various anti-social things to 'get attention'..and they were
discouraged by the teachers (and that was appropriate).  But it took a
while to really see what was going on.

To the teachers, everything looked fine...he would be playing trucks
with a group of kids.  but if you watched closely, you would notice
that he was playing 'alone', but next to them.  they were all playing
one thing...and he was doing 'his own thing'. all they were sharing
was space.  That was the first clue we saw that something was
not right.  At that school we were unable to ever really integrate
him with the kids.  The teachers loved him.  He learned a lot of
great nature stuff and enjoyed the teachers.  but he had a very
bad 'experience' socially.  He was lonely.

He went to public K and that was ok.  He started 1st grade and kind of
fell apart.....I think he was very young developmentally and was
really struggling.  We did a LOT of testing over the summer
after 1st grade.  We uncovered a lot of stuff (LDs, etc.)...but
we found, among other things, that he has a real 'language organization'
disorder....he has lots to say but it takes him quite a while to say it.
He cant get the words from his brain to 'exit' his mouth as quickly as most
people.  adults take the time to listen.  but kids dont.

He can do great 'one on one'....but in a crowd of kids, he cant
compete for 'air time'.  If you dont talk right out, you never get
a chance....and he became quite introverted in a group of kids.

At school he's getting speach therapy...practice with word
associations and word organization...forming patterns of how to
store language in your head for quick retrieval.  He's getting
a few different types of 'therapy'...like vision therapy and some
occupational therapy...and all together its REALLY making a difference.

But you have to really look at the behaviour and get 'experts' to diagnose
what's really going on.

Hope this helps.
bob
854.7CLOUD9::WEIERPatty, DTN 381-0877Fri Nov 18 1994 12:3923
    Marc,
    
    As for detesting group activities ...
    
    I'd say it was a combination of things.  I have always felt a
    TREMENDOUS amount of stress to "do perfect" - something I probably
    imposed on myself.  And that stress alone caused me to do worse.  This
    just fed upon itself.  I can't say that it's anything anyone told me,
    or made me do - I just FELT like I had to do absolutely perfect, or I'd
    be letting down the other people on the team. 
    
    Again, I REALLY did not mind watching.  I ENJOY watching as much (and
    maybe more) as other people enjoy participating.  I think if you aren't
    one who likes to "just watch", then it's hard to understand.
    
    Does he seem happy and just isn't playing the way you think he should
    play?  It doesn't sound like he's acting like he feels "left out". 
    Perhaps something to boost his self-confidence would help, but I still
    wonder if it just isn't his natural tendency to be a loner .... and
    again, the hardest thing for a "loner" to deal with is everyone
    expectations that they be something else....
    
    Good Luck!