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Conference moira::parenting

Title:Parenting
Notice:Previous PARENTING version at MOIRA::PARENTING_V3
Moderator:GEMEVN::FAIMANY
Created:Thu Apr 09 1992
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1292
Total number of notes:34837

798.0. "Talking Back Behavior" by COOKIE::MUNNS () Fri Aug 05 1994 15:22

    My almost 4 year old son has entered yet another stage; he likes to
    talk back.  For example, if you tell him "You did a great job", he
    replies, "No I didn't".  He likes to contradict just about anything.
    He seems to be doing this for attention (he is already getting plenty 
    from his parents).  We try to prevent his talking back from becoming 
    a habit, but for the past month it has continued.  We know he won't do 
    this forever, but it is a rude behavior that he needs to control.
    
    Any tips on how to ease him out of this behavior ? 
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798.1POWDML::AJOHNSTONbeannachdFri Aug 05 1994 15:5014
    Keep talking to him without arguing.
    
    If "You did a great job" gets you "No I didn't." Don't argue, but
    continue the conversation with something like "What should you have
    done better?" or even better "_I_ thought you did. What do _you_ think
    you did wrong?"
    
    Pushing back and exploring limits is a good [if tiresome] thing. Break
    the "are not"/"are too" cycles. And challenge him, in a positive way,
    to support his positions.
    
    Some days it works marvelously. [other days you'll get "Everything!!"]
    
      Annie
798.2CSC32::DUBOISAug 19, Aug 19, Aug 19...Fri Aug 05 1994 16:278
Evan does this.  When I question him, he just laughs.  He doesn't mean
what he's saying, just thinks it's funny.

He continues the behavior in other ways, too.  I haven't figured it out,
really.  Sometimes he doesn't contradict me, just says weird phrases and
laughs (nonsense phrases).  He thinks he's incredibly witty.  :-}

     Carol
798.3rejecting praiseSSPADE::BNELSONSat Aug 06 1994 16:2512
The example you gave of talking back is one I would consider "rejecting praise".
I recommend the book "Liberated Parents, Liberated Children" by Faber and Mazlish.
They describe situations in which children reject praise for various reasons and
recommend avoiding adjectives, using descriptive praise instead.  I probably
was like your child; I felt that those praising me didn't understand what they
were talking about sometimes.  This book really struck a chord with me.

My four-year-old does talk back sometimes -- the "it's time to pick up toys" --"No!
I'm not going to do that!" variety.  They have recommendations for this also, but I
would consider it a different problem.

Beryl
798.4GIDDAY::BURTMy wings are like a shield of steelSun Aug 07 1994 21:059
We sometimes make a game of the "yes it is" "no it isn't" debates. When our 
son is busy "no it isn't-ing", we'll say "no it isn't" so he'll reply with "yes 
it is", because he gets used to the response/reply sequence. Once he's 
realized what he's doing, he'll giggle and all will be well for a while.

What's currently REALLY annoying is the "Why should I?"s, and the "you're not 
the boss of me" phrases. Fortunately they seem to be reducing in number.

Chele
798.5Give him a more horrifying option??CLOUD9::WEIERPatty, DTN 381-0877Mon Aug 08 1994 17:3839
    
    Yeah ... and when they started the "you're not the boss of me!", I
    started the "Oh yeah??" and I pick them up and turn them upside down,
    them giggling the whole time "WHO do you think is the boss now?!".  Of
    course now that Chris is 4 1/2 feet tall, and almost 60 lbs, this
    doesn't work as well as it used to! (-;  Fortunately, he's not as sassy
    as his younger brother though.
    
    I think talking back is perfectly normal - you just need to decide if
    they're trying to do it to be 'funny' (kids can have a WEIRD sense of
    humor), or if it really is disrespectful.  If it's mean-spirited,
    explain to them how it makes you feel, and why, and how they'd feel if
    you were mean to them.
    
    If it's just meant to be funny, or is just general 'back talk' with no
    mean intentions,I try to turn it into something completely ludicrous to
    avoid the back and forth banter that usually results otherwise;
    
    Child: Mom, what kind of sandwich did you pack me?
    Me: Peanut butter and jelly
    Child: Why?!  I HATE peanut butter and jelly!  I don't want that! (he really
    loves it - he just hates that he didn't TELL me to make it)
    Me: Well, I was going to make you fried ants with mayonnaise and
    pickles, but we were out of pickles.  If you want, I can just make the
    ants and mayonnaise ?!?
    Child: MOM!  {and giggles}
    
    The really funny part is that Jason is never sure if I MIGHT actually
    make it for him.  And if he told me he wanted me to, then I'd send him
    outside to collect the ants.  We've never had to go further than that.
    
    To follow your example, I might either a)take the child and show him
    what a good job he did or b)take the child and show him what a terrible
    job he did, pointing out all the "invisible" messes that he didn't
    clean up.  It depends on how the kids seems to mean it.
    
    It gets better, but it never goes away .... (-: