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Conference moira::parenting

Title:Parenting
Notice:Previous PARENTING version at MOIRA::PARENTING_V3
Moderator:GEMEVN::FAIMANY
Created:Thu Apr 09 1992
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1292
Total number of notes:34837

639.0. "I don't love me..." by DV780::DORO (Donna Quixote) Wed Dec 01 1993 18:34

    
    We have a game we play in our house...
    
    Daddy (or mommy):  Whaddya know ??   (with a a hug or kiss)
    
    Sophie (almost 4):  Daddy Loves me!
    
    DADDY:  What ELSE do you know?
    
    SOPHIE:  MOMMY loves me!
    
    DADDY: What ELSE do you know?
    
    SOPHIE: PETER (brother) loves me!
    
    and so on......
    
    The other day, I continued the game, and said "and Sophie loves you!"
    Sophie replied, "No, I don't love me."
    
    I let it go a few times, but a few days later, I asked, "why don't you 
    love you?"  The reply? "because I make mistakes!"
    
    Oh, jeesh. Do I feel rotten.  I don't *think* we push, prod, or
    criticize.... where does this come from? And any ideas?
    
    
    
    Jamd
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639.1Oh no, not the "big kids"CHRLIE::HUSTONThu Dec 02 1993 10:0027
    
    I'm not sure where it comes from, but my son (3 years) has been saying
    similar things lately. We have been having alot of trouble putting
    him to bed. Prior to his, he has been an angel at bed time, read the 
    book jump in bed, go to sleep, now, as soon as he is on his bed he
    goes hysterical.  A couple of nights ago, we got him talking, he says
    he doesn't like himself because he's turning into a "big kid". WE have
    been praising him for going poops on the potty and one of the things
    I have said is that he is turning into a "big kid", since then he has
    regressed and is having pee accidents again, first time in months.
    
    What's wrong with big kids? Well one day at day care, we were on the
    way in and the older kids were coming out to get on the bus. Timing 
    was perfect, we got to the door when they did. the door flew open and
    almost knocked him down, the kids ran by, loud and fast and it scared
    him really bad. To this day, if you say "those are the big kids" he
    is afraid of them. Doesn't matter who the" big kids" are. it could be 
    kids his age, my age, or a little older. Could also be kids he was
    just playing with, The label "big kids" scares him
    
    So this all, bed time problems and all, may have been caused by an
    anxious Dad trying to praise his son for starting to act grown up and
    do something good. No harm intended, but you have to be very carefull
    what you say when they can hear, and they can hear ALOT.
    
    --Bob
    
639.2eDEMING::MARCHANDThu Dec 02 1993 10:2826
      Hi,
    
       One thing that comes to mind is my grandson who is almost 4 seemed
    to regress when people made a big deal about him going potty like a
    good boy. He would make a mistake and said I'm a bad boy! My daughter
    and I discussed this and decided maybe people should just not make 
    a super big deal of his progress. Encourage him but not make too
    much of something we all wanted him to do. 
    
       Now when I have him and I do something nice or good. He's says
    "your a good girl!" He says this with a smile. I'll say "Thanks, I
    like to try to do good things." He'll say "Me too!" Then we go 
    on with whatever, just a small conversation and then on with life.
    
        Maybe somewhere someones made a comment about making mistakes. 
    Maybe it was their own mistakes they were talking about and Sophie
    somehow picked up on it as being a bad thing. It's good that you
    play this game, it's sounds like a very communicative way of finding
    out how the kids are feeling and what their real thoughts are. She
    felt she could tell you how she felt. Supporting her and letting her
    talk is really good.
    
         Take care and hope she feels better soon about the fact that all
    people make mistakes , even good loving people.
    
         Rose Marchand
639.3DV780::DORODonna QuixoteThu Dec 02 1993 18:3421
    
    we got the idea from a tape set that my SP listens to. 
    
    It's by Brian Tracey and it's called Peak Performance. (Does that sound
    like a Yup thing or WHAT ??!!! :-)  )
    
    On the tape, Tracey decribes wht he does with his kids..
    
    One is to reaffirm they know you love them, even when you're mad at
    them.  Another is to play games like hug yourself and say "I love me"
    and hopefull they will mimic.  Caveat: you must really love yourelef
    -or least like yourself.  Kids pick up on any discrepancies!
    
    
    I think this is important.  It's taken me a long time to be able to say
    I like, love, and accept myself.  most days at least.  It woulda saved a
    lot of tears to get it at a younger age.
    
    
    Thanks fro the idea of not laying it on so thick!
    Jamd
639.4GOOEY::ROLLMANFri Dec 03 1993 12:4528


Kids learn a *great* deal from how we behave, much
more than from what we say.

As someone else here asked a while ago - what do you
do when *you* make mistakes?  Try to deny it, hide it?
The best thing to do is say, oops, I made a mistake!
Silly me! oh well, I'll fix it.  And then do whatever
to fix it, then go on.

But don't forget that you're not the only influence
any more.  If she has friends whose parents make a
big deal out of mistakes, then she'll pick up some
of that.  Or daycare.

*And*, kids test things out, including feelings they
aren't actually feeling.  Elise will "practise"
feeling sad, or happy, etc.  She will practise making
mistakes, just to see what my reaction is.  (You can
tell by the smirk).  So that's a possibility too.

But don't feel rotten.  This could be nothing, and
you can do a lot to help her, if she does indeed
feel this way...

Pat